Combined Forces: INSIDE America's Unique POLICE-FIRE DEPARTMENT
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Join Mike as he travels solo to Michigan to explore one of the most unique public safety stations yet: East Grand Rapids Public Safety. This station is not just a police department or a fire department-it’s both, combined into one! Covering 3.5 square miles and serving 12,000 residents, this small but mighty department is ready for anything.
With staff on duty 24/7, including up staffing at night, East Grand Rapids Public Safety is prepared to respond to any 911 emergency. Whether you need a police officer, a firefighter, or an EMS provider, they've got you covered. Their skill and training stand out among the best in the country.
If your area has been struggling to recruit or retain personnel, this combined model might be the solution to your problems. Take a look and let us know what you think-it might just be the perfect fit for your community.
A special thank you to Safety Officer Troy Brown and Director Ric Buickema for allowing full access to their elite team and for encouraging others to keep moving forward.
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I was a Public Safety Officer in a gated community in Pennsylvania. We were primarily Law Enforcement Officers that provided initial EMS care until the arrival of the Ambulance crew. If a large fire or MVA happened, our Chief usually allowed us to assist the Volunteer Fire Dept. with whatever thy needed. I once drove the Heavy Rescue out to an MVA with extrication, out on the interstate highway. The State Troopers looked at me , and asked what I was doing out there (I was in my Police uniform) I pointed to the rig, and said "Driving that!" lol.
I too strongly agree that having personnel who "wear many hats" per-se is integral especially during times like what we live in today where in some areas resources are in such high demand and are hence forth stretched thin and I thank you as well as all others who work in Public Safety for your service, commitment, dedication and sacrifice to ensure our continued safety.
Whilst I am not a member of Public Safety or Law Enforcement, I work privately as a security officer who provides both armed and unarmed security services including hotel security of which I am currently charged with providing graveyard shift security detail for a major hotel (the hotel has only one female night auditor and nighttime manager whom are the only staff on shift from 11P-6A) that is seven floors w/125 guest rooms and two private suites.
I work as a lone man for said hotel and am additionally charged with providing EMS along with fire alarm verification/response/firefighting as well as performing primary searches and/or victim search/rescue if either 9-1-1 response times are delayed or until additional help arrives since the hotel staff would be entirely too busy with exercising crowd control and the evacuation of guests headed down to the lobby.
One guest had noticed me as I carried my personal SCBA/Bunker Gear/Halligan Tool into my temp security office and had asked me if there was a fire in the building...that's when I'd put her mind at ease by ensuring her that there's no fire and that this is only precautionary since I have to be able to prepare for any emergency that may arise and needless to say she was relieved and went on her merry way.
so you did security
Hope you were certified to drive that Fire truck
@@ronaldgrassmyer9795 I was. I was also a member of the Volunteer Fire Dept. as well.
@@rwik123 No, many of us were Police Academy graduates, sworn in by the County as Police Officers.
Knightdale, North Carolina used to have this model from 2002-2012 I believe. All officers were trained firefighters and carried their bunker gear in their cruisers. And Durham, NC also used to do this decades ago.
That's like the rohnert park public safety department in California. The fire truck carries a lock box for the officers firearms and the fire engine has made traffic stops in a law enforcement capacity
Must be a hell of a confusing moment for drunk drivers....
@@Del_S no
Sunnyvale California public safety department is the largest in the country
Sunnyvale public safety department
Nice
I've been a firefighter/EMT for years now. And I don't think I could handle being a police officer.
This reminds me of the Sunnyvale DPS near where I live, all personnel are trained as police officers, firefighters, and EMTs. They have been extremely helpful in many calls and always (usually) a great group of people to work with
Are you talking about Sunnyvale Tx?
Sunnyvale were our heros.
Sunnyvale California
@@jeremymanuel8041California
Larimer county sheriff's office had a wildland fire unit attached to the sheriff's office.😊
Ashwaubenon, Wis. , suburb of Green Bay 17,000 residents increasing several times during daytime because of the large commercial and industrial area, started a Public Safety Dept. in 1980. 24 / 48 shifts, 8 hours on road as fully certified LEO , 16 hours in station as firefighter and EMS. Paramedics on every shift. All officers receive advanced training in each field and are as qualified as any other i the state.
There are quite a few public safety departments in Michigan. Fraser, Oak Park, Center Line, Grosse Pointe Woods, Grosse Pointe Shores, Grosse Pointe Park, Grosse Pointe City, Bay City, Berkley, Big Rapids, just to name a few! I used to work Royal Oak Twp Public Safety Michigan.
Rosemont and Glencoe Illinois both operate this way also.
Was just thinking this is very similar to Rosemont and I had totally forgot about Glencoe
Interesting fact, but Quad Cities Airport and Lincoln Capital Airport (Springfield) in Illinois also run this model. However, they're only Aircraft Fire Rescue Certified.
Rosemont actually contracts out their ambulance staffing, which helps. In a lot of communities, specifically in MI and CA that run this model of department, they don't operate their own ambulance.
Highland Park, Texas has the same model. 24 hour shifts. 8 hours on patrol. 16 on the engine or medic
Thanks for making the trip, Mike! Very interesting video.
Loved the tour of East Grand Rapids and thank you for sharing!!!!
We have one of those up here in NH. This model works well for them and allows them to have 24/7 Fire/EMS/PD coverage in their small resort town which may explode in population during the resort seasons.
I interned here in the late 90's while a student at Calvin just up the road. Wow, this is a real blast from the past! Love it
Thank goodness! I’ve been waiting for another Station Cribs!!!
Kalamazoo, Blackman-Leoni Township, Manistique, Escanaba, Gladstone, Kingsford, Ironwood, Emmett Township, Petoskey, Albion, Bay City, Essexville, St Joseph and several metro Detroit communities use the public safety model in Michigan. I’m sure there’s a couple I’m missing. Michigan seems to have the highest number of public safety departments in the country. All do it a little different depending on the community needs. It’s worth noting that some places use the “public safety model” but are not fully consolidated, meaning their employees are not necessarily cross trained, and they still have separate divisions for police and fire.
crazy a village with 11000 inhabitants in germany would have a 100% volunteer fire departement and the state police definetly wouldnt have a station there. they would be a 10 to 20 min drive away
I've seen this model in New York, and a lot of smaller areas in rural Canada that aren't handled by the RCMP. It's a cool system.
Love to see more Michigan fire stations thank you! I used to live in Fraser Michigan where they had public safety and they have some awesome equipment!
Sunnyvale public safety department in California is the largest in the country
@@emmanuelawosusi2365who asked?
@@jayt270 Sunnyvale public safety department is the largest in the country
@@emmanuelawosusi2365again I didn't ask
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This is truly unique
Love this
North Myrtle Beach used the public safety model for a while.
In Vietnam, the Fire and Rescue is basically a division in ministry of police, so we're both cops and firemans
You should definitely try and come to Kalamazoo. Little bigger PSO department. Plus I’d love to see it
Here in nj alot of police departments are cross training with ems since they are usually first on scene and can start treatment til ems arrives
What happens when the first responders attend to a drug call? You don't want an ODing patient to refuse care because they're worried about getting arrested.
Lot of locations in Southern Michigan have or had Public Safety Department in last 40 years. Sometimes like Meridian Township it never really worked like intended and the Departments were separated. Sometimes it works close enough to make the bean counters happy.
I live in Victoria on the west coast of Canada. One of the bedroom communities is Esquimalt. They used to have a combined police/fire department (There is a provincial ambulance/EMT service.) Several years ago the provincial government decided Esquimalt should separate their police and fire department while amalgamating their police department with the Victoria department. The citizens are still not happy about this! We have 13 small municipalities in this small regional district, which is expensive to maintain. Each municipality has their own fire department, three have their own police department (including the combined police department) the rest use three different RCMP departments. What a mishmash! I actually live in the municipality of Saanich. When I cross the street half a block south to go a large mall, I’m in the city of Victoria.
A lot of Michigan departments are DPS, especially in the metro counties such as Wayne, Macomb, and Oakland
Rosemont IL has this type of setup
Cedar Falls Iowa cross trains PD and Fire under the department of public safety. You sign up for a primary duty and crossover as needed. From what I understand it’s worked well.
31 years professional fireman. I would/could never do a cop job. I know small towns do it out of necessity but it would never work in a larger city.
Cayce,S.C. had this model public safety department, when I lived there in the 90s and early 2000s!
Heath Tx DPS is fire/ems/police combined.
I like that idea
:20 love that stock footage. It’s Riverside County. My area.
And you should do Montgomery PA. They have a DPS agency and probably the largest in the country.
West Plains, MO used to do something like this back in the early 2000s, but eventually, they separated. I believe there is something between 5 and 10 public safety departments here in missouri that are still functioning in missouri (i only know of two right off the top of my head).
The Broward County Sheriff’s Office also serves as the fire department and EMS for unincorporated areas of the county and cities that contract out to the sheriff’s department for services.
very good
Total fire geek mode! Social media took out being humble and working hard.
There NEEDS to be a difference between law enforcement and fire/EMS. We're still the good guys in the hood and the cops are not. If fire lost that, we lose everything.
You should definitely try and come to Kalamazoo. Little bigger PSO department. Plus I’d love to see it.
This is by far NOT the only department that does this. There are multiple other cities that have their police and fire/EMS combined. I know of one where the personnel would rotate from LE patrol to fire truck or ambulance on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. All of the personnel in the department had Peace Officer, Professional Firefighter, and Emergency Medical Technician Certifications. They were also about the best paid department in the area because they officers had to be triple certified.
MIKE PLEASE SHOW US MORE!!
What would you like to see?
Some ski patrol facilities,they can be pretty cool
This is cool for this area wouldn’t work where I live in Maryland to many ppl and call volume is heavy here
wow thats some really cool stuff :D
Greetings from Germany :D
Oakwood Township In Montgomery County Ohio used to be like this!!
spring arbor MI does the same thing like this.
Wondering what happens when all the personnel are tied up on a moderate police type call and a house fire comes in.
It would be nice to hear that each employee earned a combination of what a full time fire, police and EMT earned but I'm betting that is not the case. :(
Head to Kalamazoo you’ll see it. If I’m not mistaken Bay City also has the same set up.
Try covering Cedar Falls, Iowa. they did this type of model years ago and it's been a huge contention point. A disaster...
Imagine being pulled over by a fire truck
Village of Glencoe,IL and Rosemont, IL
Amberley village in Ohio has this same model you should check it out next time
An interesting question here is what occupation the officer preferred to select from the dropdown list in some applications like those for bank account.
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I don’t remember the city, but many years ago they had the same type of Public Safety Department. They operated a full transport EMS. The ambulance would sometimes make traffic stops.
The City of Manistique in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan operates an ALS ambulance as part of their public safety department.
Morganton NC has this model
With the ever increasing drug over doses on the street I find that police officers are more and more likely to be providing initial care until paramedic or fire arrives.
I don't have that type of agency in my city, also actually live in the East Coast in Virginia. Plus why do they transition to the county dispatch when they used to have their own dispatch.
Sunnyvale California does the same thing
Bald head island NC has had cross trained LEO FFs for long time because simply mutual aide is a decent ferry ride away. They’re public safety officers and I believe rotate between law enforcement and fire protection roles. If a major incident happens they would contact all on duty to respond to an incident and police would be putting on turnouts as it would take 1/2hr for any assistance from the rest of Brunswick County NC to be able to arrive. So no this isn’t new by any means.
Here they combined parks dept and street dept. They use alot of oil
West Whiteland, Chester County, you mentioned?
This is example of what could be with all the budget cuts
They threatened us with it in the early 90's and our union told the city to double our pay and we'd consider it.
Not many public safety departments in South Carolina anymore. Most have separated and have come out better for it.
There’s a public safety by my house and some of the police are firefighters and some of the firefighters are police.
It’s different to see a cop take off duty belt and get dressed as firefighter.
What’s the pay like for them?
As a Swiss, it seem fully impossible for us:
Police officer: 2 years of training
Firefighter: 1.5 years
Paramedic (only possibilitie to work in field medical emergencys(ambulance) out of wartime and without considering doctors): 3 years
Total: 6.5 years (and that's since you are 18 and you already have another formation (and you should start by the paramedic training because firefighters and police officers need to be 20 years old to start the training)
So it would be 6 months longer than the medical school and then you would have continuous training+compulsory vacations and breaks between service... you would work something like 3 days per years.
Good model in Switzerland. Those very cities who do that in the states do so out of necessity I'm sure. It would never work in a larger city. You'll either do one or the other job well, not both.
When I was a kid I thought cops and fire fighters where the same they just changed outfits because it was before the tac vest and AR
As a career law enforcement officer of nearly 30 years who also worked in fire and EMS independently I have to say I'm not buying into this consolidation one bit. Maybe it looks good on paper but in reality it would suggest a high level of burnout! Each of these jobs is difficult enough. The training alone seems hellatious at best. Unless the pay scale is through the roof...and I suspect it isnt.. I'm not sure how beneficial a three way job would truly be. Jack of all trades ace of none? I'd love to know what turnover in that department is really like.
I can’t speak on East Grand Rapids, but I have worked very closely with several other PSO departments. Some people don’t like it, but I know many PSOs who left local PDs and SOs to go be a PSO. Of the PSO departments I know, most of the men and women love it. Obviously some have their niche, be it fire or police, but anyone that absolutely dreads one of the disciplines wouldn’t do public safety. Most of the PSOs I know are pretty well compensated, and a lot of them are paid higher than their neighboring PD/FD that are separate. This is strictly my experiences, so I’m sure some places this is definitely not the case. This isn’t something that would work in every community, but the ones that use it, it seems to work pretty good.
This is nothing new , been going on for a very long time , it doesn’t work for all city’s but does work for smaller ones
Do the firefighters also carry a weapon when on the engine or truck?
Where are the jail cells? / processing?
I thought about this concept many years ago & my conclusion was that it wouldn't work,but hey maybe it would? it's certainly not for me,also are they paid more for effectively doing 2 jobs? Hmm!🤔
Yeesh. I guess if it works for them.
Are they BLS or ALS
First responder’s only. So BLS
Nothing special about the department. Sunnyvale Ca has a DPS
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Maybe not having everyone cross trained is feasible but allowing your driven and bored firefighters to patrol as police when they're waiting for a fire call would improve patrolling capability and response times. Having bunker gear in police cars and having officers do initial searches of a fire before the fire trucks show up, or being better trained in first aid before the ambulance shows up would be awesome. All you need are a handful of drivers to stay with the trucks at the station.
There NEEDS to be a difference between law enforcement and fire/EMS. We're still the good guys in the hood and the cops are not. If fire lost that, we lose everything.
@@RealJeep I agree with that. I mean at a minimum cops having enough bunker gear to search a building quickly would be beneficial but forcing all fire to be cops is different.
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Public safety departments……we do everything, just not well.
There is no way an individual can excel at all tasks……you get a mediocre job done and usually the fire suppression side is the victim.
Typical Piece. Always out of service
This is terrible. Just an excuse for a city or authority to not make the proper investment in their critical infrastructure.
If it’s been working for them since 1985 then who cares what they do
@@Bones-dr2vtWho says it's working?
@@Studio23Media Grand Rapids just got voted as one of the best places to live in the country so I’d say they’re doing pretty well.
No
@Bones-dr2vt facts
I hate this. I don't trust this. "Saving money" isn't always a good thing if you are putting safety in jeopardy. You've now given people a reason not to trust the firefighters... TERRIBLE DECISION.
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