RLCS Pros vs SSL Bots | ft. Joyo, Oski and Seer
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The scary thing about these bots is that you almost never see them moving at supersonic speed.
you make a point dude! it's scary!
seer v9 will be unbeatable
Tell my c1 teammates you don’t need to be ssl speed whole game please
Will do@@Danny-nc2cg
They barely use any mechanics… it’s weird
Oski is having nightmares of getting air dribble bumped by a clown car
😂😂😂😂
cringe lmao
god I fucking love these pros
They could make the bots 10x better by making them say What a save! after every goal
The great thing about these bots is that it shows that we still havent reached the skill ceiling by far
well, these bots are done by one guy... I'm sure that if some of the top talent joined in that no one would be able to even touch bots in RL... much like chess...
The bots are not even getting started
@@and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all All bots are self trained, and the way you train them determines how good they are.
For example, I can let a bot play the game by itself and it might become really good, but it also might never learn how to do certain stuff.
This is the main problem to get past, how do you train a bot to pick up something that most RL players cant even do?
And if the bot actually picks something up, it also could determine it might not even be useful to them because of how the bot was trained to begin with.
It's insanely hard.
@@Gradymeister trust me, I know how to train these and most likely make them much better than the ones we see in the video, I just really have more important stuff to do and I'm not helping
@@and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all I don't blame you. There is really no point in training AI bots in RL lol. Time sink/waste
At 18:37 Seer didn't use the flip to get back to the ball, it used the flip to recover onto the wall because it had 6 boost
I love the No flip challenge just after at 18:44 too. Leads to quick recovery
imagine if seer could wall dash. That vwould be so scary
@@gbamuchukwu6775ikr. Because they wouldn’t need to worry about spamming fast because they would have already learnt to consistently jump
yeah i'm pretty sure their "flip reset" isn't a flip reset at all, but rather the bots letting the ball fall onto the underside of their car to increase their downward speed and land faster once they've decided they are done making touches as well
@@SynsityGW When they want to get to the ground faster they use the flip reset to jump while upside down to do so, they did that against KC. Even if it was to just get to the ground faster it's still a flip reset.
johnny needs to host a 2v2 tournament with seer as team
facts
I knew Joyo would be talking smack in chat instantly
We don’t just love him for the gameplay. He’s my fave player cuz he’s a cheeky bastard too :)
Seers been watching a lot of Flakes
fr, they are playing mind games
Honestly, it's exactly like how flakes moves 😂
That man was ahead of his time
This is how flakes wanted pros to play
"We're not like KC, we're not gonna out low 50 the bots" im dead.
johnny taking joyos obvious satire seriously is funny asf
I’m fairly certain he’s talking about an actual bug you can get in private matches. It doesn’t break anything but it throws you off a tad.
u know that jonny knows them well and also just joins the joke?
@@spixxy1751 joyo rise and johnny are good friends
@@gbamuchukwu6775where did rise come into the conversation lol
@@spixxy17514:24
Seerv7 2 is goated
that's SeerV7.1 41800 ++ (2) for you
I'm so hyped for more of these. I'd gleefully watch a whole series on this
Same, these bots reeled me back into watching rl content
Bro next RW9 and Kileers vs SSL Bots, who wants that
How seer keep getting a flip reset and offload it to the other seer is fucking hilarious 😂
Players are gonna study this because it’s one of the most basic plays I’ve seen yet so effective, sometimes the bot doesn’t even flip reset just offloads it to the other bot.
never seen seer actually use the reset
@@gbamuchukwu6775 It used it once in the game vs Kcorp.
@gbamuchukwu6775 I've seen it once or twice against KC.
it's rare though and they only use it when an immediate challenge comes.
Makes sense because the best way to defend a flip reset is to challenge when it happens, or to wait until the weaker shot from the flip. But if you have perfect tm synergy then it's just a boom from your tm close to the net. I don't think they can use the flip well yet, but if they could it would be scary.
johnnyboi, an idea, if you allow chat to donate for prize pool for the bot matches, if the pros win, they get the cash, if the bot wins then UltraWideGC gets the well earned cash. :D imagine losing a prize pool to a bot xD
Psyonix has a chance to make the most amazing training possible and they just don't want to acknowledge it
@@jaspuhh. If Psyonix themselves were to impliment it how would it be exploited? Its not that simple to get your hands on the source code of a game, especially not since theyre owned by Epic now. "or the fact it would be in the code would make it hugely problematic" What are you waffaling about?
2 sec after they released the bot ranked mode becomes a dumpster fire
@@Torpid6441 actually, it is easy to get the bot if it's in the game. the thing is that psyonix could implement anticheat for it, as they did for nexto. there are some things the bots can do that humans just don't.
And if you fail that, just use a report system and human moderators.
If bots learn to demo that's a scary thought. But if the bots learn to pinch, that is THE END OF THE WORLD.
there are already bots that are made to demo that have almost perfect movement, idk about pinches tho
Seer playing the clown car in all of these matchups is just incredible LOL
I know it'll never happen because fun isn't allowed but I would love to see a bot team in an RLCS major tourney just to see exactly how far they do make it. Even if it was like show matches vs the top 3 teams or something to save the integrity of the tourney, it'd be so interesting to watch.
Another thing I've noticed about these bots is that their boost conservation is on another level. If you watch them they almost never hold boost, they just feather it sparingly. They just have god tier positioning and never do more than they need to.
I hope there's more of these coming. Very entertaining to watch.
And then Oxgen went and beat KC in playoffs to create a rock paper scissors situation.
no discredit to oxygen but kc were not KCing if u know what I mean. Its the same as how KC had beat M8s everytime they play and then M8s beat them in copenhagen. And then M8s went on to beat Oxygen and then lose to Vitality. KC are still the best in the world but now Oxygen are in the conversation for London and maybe even Worlds
@@gbamuchukwu6775nah oxygen looked extremely good in their match vs KC. Deserved it 100%. KC was doing all their cringe air dribble bump passes and it wasn’t enough.
@@gbamuchukwu6775FOR NOW THEY are but we’ll see what happens next in the scene
@@5-iwnl-596and took m8 alphines to game 7
@@5-iwnl-596 KC’s air dribble bump passes are amazing. U should search up KC double air dribble bump pass into shot and u will be amazed. KC has an insane clutch factor and is the only team to consistently beat all of the French 4. BDS consistently beats Gentlemates but loses to KC. KC lost to M8s once but apart from that they destroy them. KC beat Vitality multiple times. Oxygen is the only team outside of the French 4 in eu that gave KC a run for their money. In fact I think they’re the only team that has beaten KC before game 7 (or game 5 I. A best of 5). No discredit to O2 but KC have shown the consistency and are still the best in the world with only Falcons on their tail. Oxygen are looking at that top 4 spot in EU and they just might get it
I'm glad Joyo turned it around for the qualifier!
That boy can play
Fun fact: UltrawideGC dislikes us dominus players so much, he programmed the bot to stop moving when it detects non-octane hitboxes in the lobby :')
There is no technical reason why the bot wouldn’t be able to play against non-octane hitboxes. It would obviously play a little worse, since it only trained against octanes, but it would still be able to play
Fake news!
Based
dominus players are objectively at a disadvantage. I'm pretty sure ur highest ranked player is Jamaican Coconut and he's just inside top 100. Also he switchec to dom in like 2022 or smth so he didn't even rank up to top 100 using the dom
@@gbamuchukwu6775 who cares? the dom hitbox is for freestylers, not ranked grinders lol
@@Kilanov true
These bots show you don’t need crazy mechanics or need to be super fast to play at the top level.. insane
and 0 ms reaction time
Feer vs. Seer - winner plays Jonnyboi - AppJack commentary.
Seer has superhuman reaction time, and superhuman comms.
The real advantage the bots have (aside from near-perfect mechanics of the moves they can do) is perfect communication. They'll never double commit or double fake (like the kickoff goal in Game 3) and all the little dump off passes happen because the bots know exactly (to the single pixel) where their teammate is and they can set up the move knowing the other team member is there. I think for that reason an *even more* physical game is needed against them, to throw off their perfect positioning
JOHNNY! These are awesome man, we NEED to see MENA vs Seer!!!!!
it would be so awesome to load up these bots into a private lobby and to train with them, like giving urself one bot and then training solo in a 2v2
The fact that the bots just know where each other is is just crazy. Like the awareness from both of them is crazy. They read the current play so easily and can adapt and challenge or rotate exactly where they need to be.
it helps that they can just know the exact coordinates and speed of their teammate instantly
@@ShouldBePracticingdefinitely. Especially when they know when to challenge and almost win every time from a strong 50 or just being faster, like the reaction time is crazy. Other than their strong ground play, they play simple rocket league.
Next please do Daniel and Beastmode I'd love to see how they would stack up
No it's only on eu servers
Playing on away servers against pros is already bad now imagine against a bot that has 0ms reaction time and 0 ping
@@nashoo2968 Johnny could make Seer showmatches happen when everyone is bootcamping in EU for the London major.
@CriticalPotato maybe, but pros (especially NA pros) are usually busy or just don't want to
@@CriticalPotato this is when they are preparing for the LAN
Theyre literally perfect at airdribble bumps😂
Would be a great addition to have these kinds of bots in the actual game for training purposes or whatnot
12:56 “It’s off the post” the thing is, this is AI not a human. It’s likely that the shot off the post was a calculated play as opposed to a whiff of
Yea and they never actually save shots that are not going to go in their goal, which just seems crazy to me. You can shoot the fastest possible pinch at their crossbar and they'll just sit there with full confidence that it won't go in.
most people thought that highly mechanical plays are necessary to raise the skill ceiling. Now they lose against bots solely based on positioning, 50/50s, and basic shots. Not sure how i feel about that
They should have a seer team compete in rlcs and see how far they get
That would be cool but I think they would lose instantly because in rlcs everyone will be full swet and in comms try Harding
seer is a 2s bot. it would get railed in 3s
The air dribble bumping by the bots is just insane. Well done to the algorithm that the author developed.
Joyo and oski are mad chill
I am so happy we got CJCJ a pro player who also can easily do Johmnys job too, we gain insights through that other commentators never had which makes them boring
I mean listen to this 3:38 every other uncle and stupid halfbreed brother can do this
What's really interesting is how "simple" the bots bag of tricks is. It does very basic mechanical things. But, the things it does do it does to such a level of perfection that its good enough to beat pros. The biggest gap in my eyes is the 50/50 reads. The amount of times the bot 50/50 or dunked in such a way that the ball went straight into the pros net was really eye opening.
I think the bot creators could perfectly generate a detectable signature of how the bot plays for Psyonix so that it can't be used online, seems like this is on the bot creators since they have the deep knowhow of how this stuff works.
its really cool seeing a community project nearing superhuman! The other AI I can think of that was superhuman in video games, AlphaStar was a big google project with google servers, but this seems like a much smaller effort. I would love to see an analysis video about how these bots play thats more geared towards people not familiar with the game so I can show them this!
This was the creator's masters thesis. Which is very thorough and also explains all of the necessary Rocket league information.
It's about v1 so not sure how much it differs from the current v7.
Imagine seer against Dan and bmode (or rw9 and killeerz).
I think there’s some very interesting things pros (and everyone) could learn from these bots - particularly in speed to the ball and ability to play whilst not at supersonic. Maybe always spinning isn’t the play sometimes?
3:48 jhonny didn’t even know he was joking lol
We need to see falcons vs seer to see if rw9 would get airdrible bumped
This was so funny! The kids prolly were so tilted! New generation every sentence has bro in it! 😂
Please do post more pros playing these bots! It's very fun to watch! I wanna see jack play them.
I get the risk of the bots getting out in the public and wrecking ranked. But, be awesome to have this to practice with.
I love how, just like Seer, the pros also have their own clown cars in both the KC matchup and this one
Joyo is so funny how can you not love him lmao
Seer needs to start using that flip man.
I’m having trouble wrapping my brain about those bots. The Decision making and everything
Read the paper. It explains everything.
even tho there no longer a team, i would like to see "seer vs okalid and trk511"
just because ok and trk are more "mental / ground play"
omg, this is so entertaining 😂
Even without hearing the comms, I know that KCs comms and synergy was just better than oxygens.
Joyo and Oski saying so much bro’s in the aftermatch😭😭🙂↔️🗣️
joyo and oski getting manhandled by seer is definitely something i needed to see
JOHNY ZEN NEXT PLSSS
vs falcons!!
16:16 bot leaves boost for tm haha
gave us time to reflect
Any chance you could go through all the new kickoffs pros have been using in 3s and explain them. Even better if you do 2s and 1s aswell.
The bots will be showing off unseen moves eventually, maybe even some we can replicate, scary hours.
One day they'll be fetelixing on us all
that catch at 23:20 was insane!!!
i’d like to see the bots play against each other and see what that looks like
Johnnyboi Start, settings, camera, spectator ball cam. you're welcome.
Seer is more tolerant to awkward positions than a human which is why you don’t see it zooming to a comfortable confidence inducing position like the pros that are constantly at supersonic. Seer doesn’t care about feelings awkward. Awesome job @UltrawideGC
rw9 kiileerz next
I would be curious to see how far these bots could go in RLCS qualifiers
falcons next would be good
4:35 I thought the joke was that Joyo was passing the ball to seer a lot
We need zen and dark vs these now😂
Imagine if you would tell the bot to always chaindash and fastflip, it could probably always do it perfectly and it would look insane and conserve even more boost.
Don't forget consistent fetelix resets
The difficult part is it needs to figure all of this out on its own.
10:10 unreal😂
I'd be 100% okay w this integrated into the main game. It could be a season challenge and if we prevent the bots from getting rank 1 we get the clown car items he's using
dandroid against these bots would be great content
Joyo getting 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 at 1:42
When I was watching the series live on twitch, it was hard looking at the bots air dribble bump and demo Oski consistently. He was the 2nd man most of the time and the bots were merciless against him. He was being air dribble bumped and demoed left and right.
This really shows how huge the difference between Oxgen and Karmine Corp still is at this level
We need to see Zen against the bots
Do Seer vs Daniel and Beastmode
its only on EU
That kinda sucks
Hi, there is one way to flag a bot, the bots themselves when inplay, they will change something that is only unique to bots. For example that colorful top. Developers can make an API available for these bots so they can change their apperance when they are in play. If a player tries to use this bot if will be flagged inmmediately. This is just an idea, the point is to make an API available for the bot developers.
I think something not spoken about, is that we talk about if a pro has time to learn the AI and it's weakness then they'll obviously win however we failed to think about what if the AI can use the pros to learn? Meaning let an AI train using pros replays and learn their habits in return? How would that turn out in turn?
How to play against them?
Air dribble bumps? Get RW9 in there!
Im excited for these bots to come to rocket league. Hopefully their gameplay can be dialed just like a chess engine. I think this would be a great training tool. I also am sure people have asked about 3v3. I also hope there are 3v3 Seers in the works.
These bots are great for training!
I actually think Joyo and Oski did a great job against the bots. They didn't exploit the weaknesses and played it straight head to head, and still did well.
Imagine the bots were taught to pinch, demo & have Dark his mechanics
I'd love to see an online-only league for machine learning bots. It would be very fun to watch, and would ultimately end in a showoff where the winning world's team would race off against the winning bot team.
Clearly, RL bots are dramatically different than FPS aimbots. Your top pro shooter stands zero chance against an aimbot. A top pro RL bot could be a very useful training method for RL pros.
U should have trk511 and Rw9 play the bots. I think it would be interesting to see the best defensive player and one of the smartest and strongest offensive players play against the bots.
Incredible
One thing I'd like to note is that oxygen didnt give the bots nearly enough credit in the first 2 games and were clearly trolling in a couple instances that led to unnecessary goals
At 15k hours Joyo has spent 19.4% of the time since Rocket League released July 7, 2015 playing the game.
19.4% + 33% for sleeping + 15% on school (probably more so like 20, but holidays lowers this) = 67.7% time spent already. He has 22.3% of his life to do everything else (getting ready for school, travelling, showering, eating). Absolutely crazy stats.
When you consider that it's his career and his earnings so far total more than what most people in the UK make over the same period anyway it's not quite so absurd.
@@I_am_nobody999 It is that absurd lol. btw bros 'job' status has only been in the last 2 years or so, even tho i feel that doesnt change that much tbh
@@homeyworkey It's not absurd at all. It's his career. If you heard that an office worker had spent 20% of the last decade in the office you wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. The boy wanted to become a pro Rocket League player and to do that you need to treat it as if it's your job. If you run the numbers he has spent 4.64 hours a day on Rocket League since the game was released, which, again, is fewer than a normal job.
@@I_am_nobody999 cos everyone working full-time is also going to school....... not comparable at all. please read my %'s, his hours are insane.
Seer's playstyle reminds me of Flakes.
The no air roll is crazy
It's the most efficient way to play the game. Humans air roll because it's comfortable to do so
I wanna also play against these bots.
is the 41800 in the seers name the amount of games it has been trained on