Is Alex Ferguson To Blame For Manchester United's Demise?
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2021
- Having won 38 trophies in 26 years at Old Trafford, in addition to his accomplishments at Aberdeen, Sir Alex Ferguson is rightly lauded as having been one of the greatest football managers of all time.
In his final season in charge of Manchester United, the club won their 13th Premier League title on his watch - but they haven't won a league title in the eight years since, and they have finished outside of the top four on more than one occasion.
In this short documentary, HITC Sevens focuses solely on Sir Alex's retirement, his succession plans, and what responsibility - if any - must he take for the club's post-Fergie lag from 2013 onwards. - Sport
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Like who? Pogba and Pereira? 😉
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If I remember correct, Ferguson wanted pep as his first choice to replace him. At one point sir Alex took pep out for dinner to see if he was interested in taking over man united but pep turned it down was he wanted to create his own legacy and not have to be judged against sir Alex's record.
I think Ferguson did it with many "candidates". Including Mourinho, who based on what I heard was not happy that Moyes the one that Ferguson ended up choosing.
Yea I heard Pep bottled it as well.
@@WERTYUIO821 Mou wanted someone better?
@@MarkWTK
Mourinho wanted the job. With peak Van Persie stil at the club(he got injured later that year in a game against Olympiacos and never recovered). Rooney stil scoring goals. Ferdinand and Vidic stil at the club with Johnny Evans and Phil Jones being considered as great replacements. Nani and Valencia in the wings. And money to sign center midfielders to replace Giggs, Cleverly, Kagawa and Anderson.
Fabio Coentrao, Ander Herrera, Khedira and Cesc Fabregas were some of the players they targeted but they were too focused on Baines and Fellaini(former players of Moyes) and the deals with the previous players fall apart.
It was considered as a great job. Moyes unfortunately destroyed it together with injuries and failed deals.
@@WERTYUIO821 thanks for the storied reply. those are some good names, other than coentrao, I think. you must be a Man Utd super fan for remembering all this. I only know Mou got called, but not sure why he didn't accept. I thought it was because of a clash in tactics where he played "defensive" football.
you guys started the season well, hopefully the form continues👍 ggmu!
It was always going to be impossible to replace him, always knew this would be the start of the downfall, every club goes through it, but I can't blame fergie 1 bit, he won the title in his last season, bad managerial appointments was an issue, the glazers was an issue as they wouldn't dare let fergie down, David Gill our chief executive left the same time as fergie which was a big factor, moyes getting rid of most of the clubs staff was always an issue, poor player acquisitions as well, many things but I can't blame fergie, he signed players like Zaha, smalling, Jones etc who he thought was good enough to serve us for many years after he'd gone.
Exactly. There were many other factors on top of what was always going to be an impossible task for all the reasons you have outlined, but also factoring in how Sir Alex ran United was not a typical structure in the game in 2012 when he retired. There would have needed to have been many appointments made within the structure of the club to take over all the roles that Fergie fulfilled.
You can always support FC united of Manchester
@@balham5606 rather support those tossers that own Salford
It was partly his fault he shouldnt left them with a good squad before leaving but he left them with a deadwood squad he also thought appointing moyes as his replacement was a good replacement
@@AbdulRaheem-vv5hy He had a future squad for De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Buttner, Kagawa, Welbeck, Janzuaj, Cleverly, Zaha, Henriquez, Chicharito. Now we know most were sht, but att their were up comming youngsters
i think fergie was the only one holding it together with these owners for a few years and it was only inevitable
Nearly threepeated in his last 3 seasons
Yes look at what happened after he left 7th with same sqaud
Plus it was always gonna be a mammoth task to replace him.
Like Wenger
@@peteredeoghon6457 pretty much
This is something I have been thinking about for a long time, thanks Alfie
I think its more like a power vacuum. If you take Pep from City and put in say... Barry from Norfolk... City will flop. Added to that all the coaches and scouts, etc, left. Added with the owners...
The only thing sir Alex can be ‘blamed’ for is the rock of Gibraltar fiasco as that led to the Glazers buying United and ruining the club. Sir Alex won in spite of the Glazers and his decision to pick Moyes as his successor only failed because of the Glazers and Moyes, Sir Alex is a positive influence on the club to this day and he is the last person to blame for anything that has happened and ended badly at the club. The whole ‘not any other club’ is somewhat true but that doesn’t mean he is automatically responsible for the train wreck we found ourselves in over the last few years
You can always support FC united of Manchester
You have to also blame Woodward and incredibly poor recruitment
@Lord Vader The Leftie Ed Woodward sacked Louis Van Gaal and he won the f a cup
@@balham5606Yes playing the most stagnent football I had seen at OT in 40 years, I would much rather watch Ole's team and them not win a bean!
He picked Moyes because he knew Moyes wouldn't be successful which made fergie look even better. What a horrible little man.
Moyes came in and immediately lowered standards, cleared out the coaching staff and replaced with ones who hadn't achieved anything, tried to sign fellaini and baines...who hadn't achieved anything...said fellaini was the best Belgian player in a team that had hazard and debruyne. Said City were the standard we aspire to....we had just won the league. Told ferdinand to watch jagielka, didn't play nani....I could go on. Standards nosedived under this guy and the culture with it.
if only we brought in ancelotti instead, oh man what literally could've been changed if we brought in a serial winner like him in, i wouldn't have been surprised if he succeeded then immediately followed him up with pep! it could've changed the entire dynamics as the standards would've been kept the same
Baines was the best left-back in the league and one of the best in the world. Of course he wasn't going to achieve anything at Everton with the budget Moyes had every season.
@@sukhdevr3489 you sure about that........evra. baines ever played champions league??
@@sukhdevr3489 because he scored free kicks? Nonsense
@@elmiguelito1984 You clearly didn't watch him so don't bother commenting on him. How did Evra do in 13/14? He was crap. Baines was the best LB in the league and got lots of assists from open play.
I would love such a video talking about Wenger and Arsenal.
i mean it's wenger's and henry's fault who tricked ppl into supporting arsenal
@@aarush130 🤣🤣
I will have popcorn for this
The answer is obvious my friend
It is appalling to think that Arsenal's downfall started 7 years earlier (post-2006) than Manchester United's (post-2013) and quite astonishingly, that downfall is still going on for the Gunners. So Wenger was right at the center of Arsenal's rise and decline until the time he left.
I’ve long held the opinion that Man Utd’s drop in form started with Ferguson and Gill retiring at the same time. Wasn’t aware of Moyes replacing all his back room staff but that would have contributed significantly too.
Since then it’s been poor appointments on the footballing side like Woodward and Judge as well as the Glazers continuing to siphon off money while the clubs debts grow. Let’s also not forget about Joel Glazer trying to take the club into the super league!
Super league is the way to go, I know most people will oppose it immediately, but super league would have ensured stricter financial regulation, ESL had the potential to be a better and a fairer form of UCL which is one of the most unbalanced competition in the world
@@jsdbhssbdbsjsj Better and fairer by closing off competition and being guaranteed a place whether they were a great team or not, just because Ferguson built them up to be a global brand 20 years ago?
@@andrew7taylor ESL themselves said that they realize that the model had flaws and would improve it through dialogue
@@jsdbhssbdbsjsj don’t agree with this at all. The Super League just makes football more financially stable for the founding members. There is just as much, if not more financial risk for anyone else looking to join it.
There is lots of money in football but not much profit. The Super League was looking to redress that balance at the expense of competition, which is unacceptable IMO.
Transfer market decisions, primarily made by Van Gaal and Woodward (to an extent Mourinho) is the real culprit. United is loaded with deadwood they can't off load and they have been buying players over several years that didn't fit the clubs style. This policy ended under Solskjær and that is why they have arguably the strongest first XI in the prem atm.
Moyes was just an arrogant and clueless manager who had no idea how to run a big club like United. Can't really blame him for that. If anything is to blamed on Fergie, it's the appointment of Moyes, but everything after that is purely down to bad hiring and transfer market activity.
There is no manager who is Sir Alex Ferguson's quality but my frustration is towards the board members and Glazer family who have taken diligence out of the club and still have a debt. I don't think we would have signed Sancho or Varane if not for the super league protests
There are many greater managers
@@user-ny1sc1ys4oHow many managers could win 13 premier league titles, 5 FA cups, 2 champions leagues and a treble in 1999 winning the premier league, FA cup and champions league. And in making a comparison with managers outside the premier league you have to remember it is much harder to win the premier league than any other league on the planet.
@@SOMEONE-cd9wf 2 words Bob Paisley
Fergie said that he would leave the club in the best way possible, but the fact his impact was so huge was irreplaceable.
Nobody could ever mirror his success.
“Dad, why is Maguire United captain?”
“Well son, it all started with this racehorse…”
Good video, but overlooks some things.
Moyes was like the 4th choice option of Fergie. Mourinho, Pep, Klopp all refused.
He had a rebuild started. Jones, Evans, Kagawa, Smalling, Welbeck were all players who could have been easily key men if SAF continued.
That's the problem. They could have been key men for SAF. But for no one else
No. Manchester Utd were. They didn’t have the processes out of Sir Alex’s head and on paper, so when he left their succession planning had nothing to go from. Everyone new in the door had to start fresh. Arsenal made the same mistake. Chelsea give the rule book to each new manager, so the basics are the same so they can switch manager as they like and the rest of the club carries on as normal.
I think you mean Chelsea DO NOT give the rulebook to each new manager? That's why it works. Fergie/Wenger HAD the rulebook.
Day 16: where would a team of Alfie Potts Harmer lookalikes finish in the premier league?
With Alfie as manager
first with 114 points and Tom Davies scoring 48 goals
@@GJ-dv8uq the only right answer
The first 40 seconds of this are hilarious watching in June 2022
Sir Alex was running the league like a proper don. Imagine walking into the referee’s office and yelling at the ref team, basically saying: “Listen here lads. I know you think you know what yer doin, but yu need to consider who we are and how we werk here. Think carefully...” 🤘
sure bro
I remember Rio Ferdinand commenting about Moyes a few years back, and also remember stories that came out at the time, that the players didn't like him, and seemed to be the case of a player revolt to get rid of a coach. They downed tools and couldn't be bothered. So, well done Rio, what followed was United went downhill from there. What is needed after a tenure like Fergie is someone to come in and steady the ship, and not to have some spoilt players spitting their dummies out because 'he does things differently' or 'he's not Fergie'. Moyes is a very competent manager when given time, he showed it at Everton, and he's showing it now at West Ham. Just seems a case that the players messed around thinking they were bigger than the club.
I could just imagine that the Man U players didn't take to Moyes. When he took charge at Sunderland, he promptly declared we were relegation material, hence he immediately lost the squad and the fans, and we were relegated at the end of that season. Sadly he didn't stick around to try and take us back up, he did well with Everton and is doing well at West Ham so there is a good manager in there, but maybe he didn't like the cold sea air ?
Moyes was utter garbage at united
now united have a world class center forward capable of scoring 25-30 goals
Not for long. At 36 it's unlikely hell be there longer than 2 or 3 years
Sir Alex left behind a title winning squad. David Moyes set himself and others up to fail when he cleared out almost the entire coaching staff. We lost our identity for a few years, but Ole is starting to bring it back.
Fergie might have won the title at the end, but there’s little doubt that his team was nonetheless in decline and that he got out at a great time
SAF left a title winning side in decline and aging who scraped a league title with a PRIME RvP who stayed fit for one season to a manager who was clearly out of his depth.
Picking Moyes was SAF's hubris. I like Moyes, but he was never a Man Utd manager.
We definitely need to bring Rene Meulensteen back, he's wasting his time with the Ozzies
Ole is bringing it back 🤣😹🤣😹 😹😹😹😹😹 . This aged well mate
@@rj_27faxmerchant29 Shouldn't have been sacked in my opinion 🤷♂️
Problem with Fergie leaving is that squad he won the last title with was not title winning quality. It required a huge rebuild and Fergie didn't think he had another in him.
Man Utd's mistake was that they never truly accepted that they had to rebuild after SAF until Ole came.
This didn't age well
@@buck7352 This is aging like a wine fine. Now they have started the rebuild. First step, they have moved away from Cristiano Ronaldo and have truly backed the manager for the first time. Exciting times ahead.
@@ashwinkumarm6800still 6th so...
I wish this was a 4 second vid saying “no”
One of the most informative videos I've ever seen in a long time
This was a thought I had after watching David Moyes get sacked... Though I am a Manchester United fan, I always felt that the team that Moyes was given was a decent one but a tough one to follow after Sir Alex's historics... I love Sir Alex and the club, but if Moyes was given a chance to build a team with the help of David Gill for a season or 2, we might have had David Moyes do well for the club. But we'd never know.
Another excellent football analysis video. Well researched, accurate and spot on.
I also don't think SAF had it in him to rebuild another squad, for a fifth time. Which is fair enough when you think he was 71.
Picking Moyes was SAF's hubris getting the best of him. Moyes is a good manager, I like him and glad he's doing well with WHUFC, but he was never a Man Utd manager, very out of his depth.
People always forget that Sir Alex didn’t win shit for years when he managed the club. Yes, he built United but even sir Alex had years of losing
When you list off the young players now they sound bad to us because we know they didn’t turn out to have good careers, but at the tike they were very very promising young players. Eg we here welbeck now and almost laugh but at the time he was considered to be a seriously good young talent. Same for Jones, buttner, cleverly... it’s not fair to say Ferguson didn’t do any forward planning
It's possible to wonder that if they had the Fergie development given to previous generations that they may have been able to go the distance and improve into much better players than they ended up being
Great watch once again pal. Keep up the good work!
HITC they need a world class CF
Ronaldo:SUIIII
I think it mainly lies with SAF and David Gill retiring together. Gill played a huge role for fergie and i think if one of them stayed on for 1 more season, things may have been different
What is SAF u mean Somali Air Force
Fergie shouldn’t be blamed BUT it’s undeniable that he claims he left the club “ at its peak” but the squad was ageing & he knew that if he didn’t retire in 2013 he won’t be as successful as he once were & will eventually end up like Arsene Wenger
United wouldn't have won that league without Ferguson, a rebuild was badly needed but you can hardly blame Ferguson for leaving the club in that way.
He could have easily rebuilt that team and would never have ended up like Wenger at the end. He retired because his sister in law died and he realised his family needed him especially since he hadn’t really being there for years.
@@jamesstewart2176 also he never wanted to retire that season, he retired because of his wife. Evra I think came out and said till December he had every plan to continue and said that ronaldo and bale will join next season and united will make another ucl winning team. Circumstances changed and you can’t blame him. At the age he was you never know when people around you could die and he had dedicated his entire life to football so he wanted to be there for his wife when his wife’s sister died. Perhaps if that didn’t happen he would have gone on to make another good team and go on for a few more years
@@jackstrick0592 yeah the sister in law died but everyone knows he used that excuse as a cover up for an easy retirement without any questions asked , Yeap he can rebuild in 4-5 years but he knew it’s impossible to win titles with city was spending like crazy , Sir Alex will be glad he actually retired
@@mrisa4682 He decided to spend time with his family, something he hadn’t had much time to do in his career. Also saying he couldn’t build a team to compete with city, then how come Ole has managed it? Are you saying Ole is a greater manager than Fergie? Oh please 🙄.
Next video idea- Did Wenger deserve all the hate he got?
No, he did not
Only 20% but most of it were just A-holes with thier drivel
No. He is, was, and always will be an Arsenal legend, perhaps the greatest of them all.
@@Cos_Why_Not I agree, even though I'm not an Arsenal fan. To my mind he was betrayed from within, due to the boardroom battles and the lack of transfer funds.
He left too late. That was his biggest mistake. 🤷♂️
I want a Ferguson level manager to cause the "demise" of my club with dozens of pieces of silverware filling up the trophy cabinet.
Fergie knew he was due to step down and made no effort to build a team for the future, he knew he was getting the last drops out of many of his star players. So leaving a huge job for the next manager.
Fergie pushed for Moyes to replace him, a huge mistake.
So Fergie has blame, but not all the blame.
He didn't need to do anything anymore it was next managers problem as it should be
Great video and will always be difficult to replace the greatest manager football has ever seen
Fergie really knew how to use refs,same as Beckenbauer, that’s was a real difference the subsequent managers could never replicate, Fergie time made a huge difference ( love the picture with Souness at 18;34 ) , Mourinho claimed 2nd and Europa League too and didn’t get the credit he deserved,
He would also have gone the season before if it wasn’t for City’s ridiculous last two minutes against QPR.
Finally the same thing happened when Busby left,and this was often put down to Busby hanging around for years after, as indeed did Fergie, that’s always been a problem at Man U( and Liverpool) the legends don’t really leave
Very good video
The only difference with Liverpool was back when Shankly left they made sure he didn't stick around and undermine Paisley. It may have been harsh (Shankly was heartbroken at the treatment) but it was for the best as it allowed Paisley to develop as a manager in his own right and not have the shadow of the previous great manager hanging over him. This is why Paisley distanced himself from the club when he retired so he wouldn't undermine Joe Fagan.
That’s true ,they were real old school. I was thinking more Dalglish, Hansen, Lawro etc.
When the bar was that high, how could anyone keep it that high?
I blame Sir. Alex Ferguson for the 38 trophies he won at Manchester United.
I detest him for the 13 EPL titles he won.
I revile him for the 5 FA Cup titles United Won during his time.
The 2 Champions League trophies 🏆 are an especially sore sticking point for me as a United fan.
I take particular umbrage with the number of Community Shield trophies United won while breaking narry a sweat!
The heft of my opprobrium is reserved for 'Fergie time'. Is a Football ⚽️ match even supposed to last that long? An ordinary match is ostensibly slated to be 90 minutes. Hence, when Michael Owen scores for Utd in the 96th minute of a Manchester Derby, is that even the same sport?
For the match that Man Utd lost 3 - 1 to Everton after being denied 3 stonewall (Sir Alex prescribed) penalties, I dare ask as he at the time, "Did a lad have to take an axe to the back of the head to earn a Pen in that ground?"
If hypothetically a bloke was actually pole-axed, would Van Persie taking a punt to the noggin be the most dangerous thing Fergie had seen 👀 on a pitch for a long, long time whence Robin "would have been killed"?
Sir. Alex Ferguson excellent management acumen characterized by man-management & delegation of responsibilities to highly-skilled assistants certainly desensitised the fanbase to not just the difficulty but indeed the glee of winning titles. It became as commonplace as the fresh morning 🌄 breeze at Carrington!
I think Man Utd won far too much during his tenure.
Good one! 🤣
Great job, excellent piece of work.
Thank you so much alfie for this video!
If you read his book on leadership, you will know that he was a delegator. When Moyes came in he replaced not a decade of experience, but rather several decades. The squad was aging, but in no way was it without prospects. De Gea was about to hit his prime, so was Smalling, Rafael and Johnny Evans.
He also had Zaha coming in that same summer. Aging squad? Yes, but still elite and plenty of potential to build on. It was an arrogant and ignorant man who started tearing the club down, plus the addition of a clueless CEO that knew nothing about football. The young players that never became future stars was severely mismanaged by Van Gaal and Mourinho (Shaw the most obvious example) and those two managers bought alot of players suited to their own personal brand of football making the period of 2015-2018 very hit and miss.
It is no coinsidence that Solskjær has been able to do the rebuild that he has; He employed Mike Phelan and there are pretty much only former United people in charge now. They know what they are doing (defensive set pieces aside) and they will achieve success with this team. This success would have come alot sooner if they didn't hire Van Gaal imo.
The situation in Manchester United can not in any way shape or form be blamed on Sir Alex...
I agree, I am not a Man U fan, but Fergie was the best manager of any club in my eyes. When he retired everyone knew the squad needed a rebuild, at 71 years old he had worked hard all of his life and deserved to retire with pride and dignity, and leave it to the next guy to carry on his legacy. Sadly, mistakes were made by the board and subsequent managers. However, under Ole they look more of a Man U side to me, I just hope he continues to get the support from the board and the fans, 'cos the future looks brighter right now. Incidentally I'm a Sunderland fan, and our experience under David Moyes was worse than yours, we were relegated, and are currently languishing in League 1.
Let's go Alfie quality content as always
That Scottish git raised my expectations of United to hugely unrealistic proportions
Moyes does that, have you heard some of the things Everton fans say?
Another excellent video, highlights just how brilliant SAF was with his players
A manager like Ferguson succeeds because he wants players to be the best version of themselves; a manager like Roy Keane fails from the get-go because he wants players to be like Roy Keane.
Ferguson was a situational manager who actually likes people. There were quieter, introspective and altogether more sensitive players at United who never got the hair dryer treatment because it wouldn’t have worked. Ronaldo was his greatest creation. He turned him into the player he was by protecting him, by nurturing him and tempering him without trying to change his fundamental nature.
Alex Fergusson won a pl in his final season he owes manutd nothing anymore enough leave the man alone he has suffered enough its those following him who screwed it up
personally, I think Fergie was a bit to blame as that squad wasn't one for longevity like he built in the past. he wanted that last title and did what was needed to get it but having said that Moyes getting rid of all the 1st team staff was a huge mistake as you lose so much know-how and knowledge. i also think Moyes isn't a top club manager not to say that makes him a bad one just think his skills are better used for clubs like Everton, west ham etc
Left behind a squad that had won the league by 13 points and an exceptional backroom team..... United's demise for me came from 2 main things 1- David Moyes not being able to retain most of the back room team and 2. poor decisions in the board room concerning management and playing staff.
It happened before with Busby. Liverpool managed the transition from Shankly to Paisley to Fagan. Busby wouldn't go away and neither will Ferguson. Shankly tried it and was told "you don't work here anymore." Result? Liverpool went on and on. And why wasn't Paisley knighted? Because he worked for Liverpool.
Could you do a video on what most likely would have happened Bartomeu had never been elected Barca President and Neymar had never left. Would be really interesting considering how far they will in 5 years.
It's very simple barca were mess since 2012 .
It's actually sandro rosell (bartomeu's accomplice) that started the downfall
@@acacia8261 True, but Laporta had won the election in 2014 over Bartomeu, things could have been very different.
Another great video. Lots of love 🤝
Watching 9mos later: a corner was sadly not turned 🥺😭
Short answer - no
Long answer - HEEEEEELLLLL NO
The Glazers are the ones to blame being kneejerk in sacking Moyes and then bringing in big-name Charlies that sucked(looking at you Mouwhinger) and spent cash like drunken sailors
Fergie was the reason we got the glazers by falling out with previous owners over horse cum. He then proceeded to use all the power he had with the club to do nothing but defend the glazers. Between himself and David Gill they set us back three or four years by not replacing the players we sold. replacing Ronaldo and tevez with Owen, obertan and valencia has to be one of the worst pieces of business by a football club.Also recommended David Moyes as what can only be described as a sabotage move by him. Jose mourinho was available at that time and he would have jumped at the chance to go to Manchester United as he had also kind of flirted with the possibility after they knocked us out of the CL
Jose won us 2 trophies and has been our best appointment post fergie by a long shot. And what big names did we bring in other than Pogba Di Maria and zlatan who are probably our better signings we have made
@@em4945 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ah the drivel of the uneducated
Ah, deluded United fans have become the norm. Mourinho won two trophies, finished second and got your highest points total since Fergie left. Yet Ole is making progress after spending 400 million and not achieving any of that.
@@MrBlazemaster525 Nothing like calling someone uneducated by proceeding to not elaborate as to why I’m uneducated
There Are Some Things I Will Blame Ferguson For!
1. Failed To Find Suitable Successors For Giggs & Scholes
2. Failed To Strengthen The Team That Badly Needed More Quality In Midfield & Defence
3. Signed David De Gea Who Is A Pathetic Excuse Of A Goalkeeper
4. Chose Moyes To Succeed Him When There Were Better Managers Still Available
5. Should Have Retired After The 2010/2011 Season When Manchester United Won Their 19th League Title
6. Ferguson Should Have Been Fired After The Boot Incident With Beckham
But To Be Fair!
He Did Place His Trust In Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, G.Neville, P.Neville, Butt, Brown, Fletcher, Evans & O'Shea By Promoting Them From The Academy Team & Became Part Of A Successful Legacy & Signed Solskjaer, Rooney, Ronaldo, Carrick, Park, Ferdinand, Vidic, Van Der Sar, Nani, Hernandez & Both Rafael & Fabio Who Also Became Successful!
But He Should Have Retired Back In 2011 Instead Of 2013!
Fergie left a squad that was aging. A dressing room filled with big characters and egos can't be marshalled by a person they don't respect.
Yeah, he bought Kagawa (age 23), Zaha (21), Büttner (23), Jones (19), de Gea (21), Smalling (21), Hernández (22) his last couple of seasons, but the squad was rapidly aging indeed.
Van Persie was the exception, not the rule. At the time he was the best player in England and they stole him from one of the competition. Even at 30, he was astute business.
Man Utd's decline after Ferguson wasn't about the squad. It was simply impossible to replace the best manager in the history of the sport and not skip a beat. Their decline was inevitable.
OK, look at the defence and midfield then.
Rio (34), Vidic (32), Evra (33), Giggs (39), Carrick (32). Scholes had retired again, Fletcher was beset by bladder problems and not a single midfielder bought since Owen Hargreaves in 2007
@@qahirmakhani348 these players were thr mainstays of the fergie dynasty , the phasing out of these players wasn't done properly and the transfer business in the later years was baffling. Mediocre players on bloated contracts.
@@andrew7taylor did u even watxh the vid aldie pointed out that the young players were fringe players the majority of the key players were way over 30 and almost about to retire which definitely isn't good ...i remember back in 2012 rio and vidic tbh were already past their prime and had some pretty bad games rescued by the fact they had rvp
@@gauravghosh2933 exactly moyes was too proud and wanted to be the main man, chased out the back room staff , chased out top players and sold zaha apparently because he banged his daughter, which isn't zaha's fault 🤷♀️
Key issue was that he left gaps in midfield and at left back. He even had to get Scholes out of retirement to plug the gap, that and the huge expectations he left are his own part in what is an issue with many factors.
The key issue was David Moyes was a fucking idiot. Fergie left the richest club in England primed for a rebuild and he bought Fellani
@@deaconblackfire2896 Moyes pulled the plugs on a young Strootman and Thiago because he wanted Fabregas, who was not gonna leave. The PSV coach then even said that Strootman was pretty much gift wrapped for United, and Thiago was just waiting fo United's call, but nope, Moyes wanted his Everton crew and a target that he was not getting. And don't get me started over that Herrera mess
Loving the content.
great video as usual Alf
No. It was just poor planning after Ferguson's retirement. Hiring managers that don't fit the culture of our club, poor signings like Memphis, Sanchez, Rojo, Schneiderlin and Falcao. Ed Woodward and the Glazers are deceitful leeches that took money from the club instead of ridding the debt of the club and trying to take us to the Super League. We maybe rebuilding the club but we are still far from City and Liverpool.
What culture? The culture of winning? That's not unique to United, it's just called being successful. No what happened in 1986 was Fergie took over and wiped the slate clean of any influence other than his own. He ruled with an iron fist and took no prisoners. No manager after him was given that level of power or was realistically ever going to achieve that. The impatience to continue Fergie's success was too much for any manager to handle, and still is
Fergie would have won his last title as manager of any one of the top ten teams in his final year.
Alex Ferguson is a legend.
For me,Sir Alex Ferguson must never ever be blamed for their demise because,the club's hierarchy did not appoint a world class manager like him to replace him and the owners was not really active in signing many world class players and prioritising on the youth players properly,good friends!!!:(
LOL plastic
he’s the one who chose moyes to replace him
@@MrBlazemaster525 Why you have said that I am like a plastic,good friend?:(
@@lollol9772 You are extremely so right because,he thought that David Moyes sir could have proved himself to be a world class manager like him to maintain the club's successful trophy winning achievements,good friend!!!:-D
@@depekthegreat359 just shush yourself plastic 🤡
I don't think it was necessarily his fault but I think his brilliance masked over some significant deficiencies.
The 2012/13 season squad was terrible. I think David Moyes was the right appointment and the fact we were so used to success prior meant that Moyes was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And the fact every time he did anything wrong, the cameras would instantly switch over to Ferguson chewing gum in the crowd.
I find it interesting how much is said and written about the “crises” and “falls” of the big clubs, as well as who is to blame for this, when for most of the clubs in EPL (or any other major European league) the best they can hope for is mid table mediocrity, avoiding relegation, or if they are really lucky an occasional cup run or battling for a European place, followed by the big clubs buying their best players the next season. Not to mention clubs avoiding administration or going under completely. These clubs supporters would kill to have the problems clubs like ManU have. As far as Fergie goes he certainly earned the right to determine the time and under what terms he retired. Hell, I’m retiring in 2 weeks from my job and could care less who they got to replace me lol.
Best wishes on your retirement 😀
I agree finished 2nd last season and 3rd the season previous. How many clubs in the PL would dream of a season like that? The rebuild has been real since Ollie took over, we are just now bearing the fruits of it. Quality recruitment for nearly 3 years has been leading up to this. Ollie has had no really shocking signings yet.
@@sucramsucram3558 thank you very much
Goodluck on your retirement
@@HIM3153 😊
Dude, we desperately need a DM. We won't challenge for the title without one.
with the amount of midfielders united have, it would be best to adapt one of the existing ones into that role. No sense in shelling 80mil or whatever theyre asking for Dec Rice.
@@J8D2 I didn't say Rice. Mctominay, Pereira and Matic shouldn't be at the club. We desperately need a DM because we don't have one. Our ball progression is severely lacking because of Mcfred.
@@williamstarck6863 mctominay is good enough to be at the club, just not a holding midfielder
@@jhaych he’s decent going forward once in a blue moon (Leeds last season), because of his physicality though I’d probably start training him as a CDM.
@@J8D2 he's box to box, he's the type of player we need at this club, I like him, maybe he does need more coaching in cdm but he's good for me to stay at the club, chipped in with some big goals and big performances in big games for me
thanks for sharing,
If this was a twitter post you would get ratioed
Ronaldo has been a first Class professional for over 22 years that has won everything in the game accept the World Cup!
Bring him back to Man Utd to be a player/assistant Manager to Ole or Outsider like Zidane cos we gladly have him back at our club!
When comparing Ollie to Sir Alex do remember it took Fergie 4 years before he won his first title if I remember correctly
Love the videos you should do one on Bolton's youngest ever team where are they now
Here a year later and the demise has grown to newer heights than ever before.
It’s sport. It’s far from normal that organizations hold onto that type of dominance. Sometimes you lose. Get over it. They aren’t a club who finishes at the bottom ever. They have a great chance of winning silverware every year. The thing that I hate about football is that managers are constantly sacked rather than being allowed to build a culture. In my opinion Ole is doing that. The best culture comes from having a manager who’s been a part of the organization like Ole has, Zidane has and if you look at it, Brian Schmetzer has with the Seattle Sounders. It creates buy in from the players.
Day 182: Ways to fix VAR with your suggestions
Will this be Liverpool when Klopp leaves?
Klopp is already more successful than Benitez anyway
It depends who they replace him with
They will need time with new manager
Personally I feel it is because over the years managers have less influence over who is brought in not only at the senior level but at youth level too. Managers now have so little input into anything but the first team at the club. Even though the game has become more about performance statistics it shouldn't be the case that the different levels at a club aren't also looked over by a first team manager if they are going to be there long term. As it is now most of the youth team coaches and staff aren't hired because it will help the newer manager but by other in the club. Under Fergie he had direct input on who were coaches at all levels of the club so the players coming through new what to expect in the first team.
SAF literally employed his whole family at the club. He didn t care about building anything after CR7 left and he literally built a career from the generation of Neville Beckham Scholes Giggs... He had the same luck like Pep when he had the spanish golden generation. Except CR7, Vidic, Ferdinand, Rooney most of his transfers where big flops, but the academy backed him up really good. From 2008 to 2013 he didn t bring any good youngster. How tf can u rebuild after that? Let me tell u a story. If he joined in 2005 and retired in 2025 he would be a bang average Everton manager. He had insane luck to get an incredible generation, the board had insane patience with him. The moment City had good player guess what? 6 1.
Imagine Klopp Liverpool plus Pep City and Arteta arsenal with any SAF team. Maybe he would have got a prem league and that s about it. 90% of his young transfers were garbage, and we didn t have anyone to sell after CR7 which ruined us financially
Day 36509-All the original european cup teams or champions league teams, where are they now?
I wouldn't call it "blame". Sir Alex Ferguson did a lot for man united and to say he would, by any means, sabotage the future of the team he worked so hard for, that would be absurd. Its more like man united fell from grace as a consequence of his retiring. and i wouldn't blame the managers that followed as well (though letting Fergie pick his sucessor makes absolutely no sense, because no matter how great of a manager he was, his era was done and a fresh start was needed, so Fergie had no business in interfering with the appointment of the next manager at all). I blame the approach to the market and the decisions the Glazers made through the years. José Mourinho was the best manager since Sir Alex. he gave united titles and some sort of hope... and they still fired him. (and spurs did the same, i dont agree with much of what the irish guy does, says or thinks, but i m with him on this, mourinho is nowhere near done just yet). As for the money, i think this goes without saying but it isnt how much money you spend that wins you titles, but how you spend it. liverpool, lille, leicester, monaco, atletico, sporting, inter and many others are good recent examples of this, to different degrees of course. All those clubs I mentioned have won titles and with way smaller budgets than man united. it was never the lack of investment that was man united s issue, but the way that investment was made
Ultimately, it is not the job of a manager to set the club up for success beyond his tenure. Obviously a manager should not intentionally sabotage a team, but the long long term responsibility falls on the front office.
No but I agree that team was on it’s last leg, I think Solskjaer’s new project is finally looking really good and will be done next year if they can get Haaland or a top tier striker in general, things are finally looking good
Tbh we dont need Håland.. Greenwood is the best talent rn, and it will only take him one or two years to get him on the top.. I'll sign Ronaldo for a last dance giving Greenwood one more year to develop..
Next year will be our year....
When did United turn into Liverpool...
@@MrSniperfox29 I mean yo gotta build a team to challenge, it's taken time, also I posted that before Cristiano lol
@@ragecandy how long has he been doing that for now? Next year will be your year unitedpool
If only you knew what would happen!
SAF had a deal in place for Thiago before he left Barca but Moyes didn't rate him and scrapped the deal and we ended up with a Fellani instead and Thiago went to Bayern. That deal alone could've changed things a lot but what's done is done.
I often think that getting rid of the likes of Evans, Hernandez, Nani, Rafael and Nani so soon after he left was tough on the club too. We lacked leaders and players who knew how to win, despite not being top class
This is like the time Sinéad O'Connor (sorry, "Shudada Sadaqat" 😄) tore up that picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live 😆
The downfall started when David Moyes was sacked
Great video thanks, interesting.
Great video. I've been saying this for years. The players he bought in the last 3-4 years of his reign were awful (Van Persie) aside and he left a mainly old and average squad for Moyes.
If Moyes was good he could build a squad. United still was a dream destination for many players. If Moyes was any good he could have recruited better players. Regardless of the team, he inherited they were still reigning champions that year. That had to carry some weight
@@corriedebeer799 he was only given 8 months.
You should make more videos like this
As Mourinho once said, my biggest achievement was finishing 2nd in that season with this team. Cant forget European League Cup....
I think that the reason he left that season is that he knew the squad needed another rebuild and by that point he was to tired can't blame him he made so many fantastic squads over the years I know this was an old upload by I love your vids there amazing
Who said "There is no value in the market" 4 years prior to that?
Ooohh, this gonna be a spicy one 😅
Him no, yes what he was able to do with a that team the season before by winning the league by 12 points was truly amazing. The combination of loosing him, and David Gill was the problem. That and appointing a banker as the chief executive and not a person that actually cares about the sporting side of the club and not just the balance sheet.
Is Alex Ferguson to blame he retired after two and a half decades at the club he wasn’t just gonna keep going till he turned to dust
Yes to answer your question, glazers in they will now say because of some signings and pls do a video on AFC Wimbledon.
How Whyteleafe lost their stadium and how that club is gone now.
I think losing him along with David Gill at the same time was detrimental to United.. that squad needed rebuilding & everyone knew that..
Can you do a vid ranking the squads of every efl cup winner since the 00/01 season
Yes. When so many things run through one person it’s your responsibility to wind that down when you plan to leave
Thank you. He's 100% to blame. I mean he's a legend but he had his flaws.
Come on Alfie. You know how this is going to go.
Listening about Glazers makes me feel like Stan kroenke is so much better lol
Arsenal selling Van Persie was a crime to this day still winds me up