Giant Stance E+ 2 Review - $4k
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- The Giant Stance E+ 2 is a high-quality ebike from a mainstream company with loads of dealers in North America. The purpose built full-suspension frame comes in four sizes and features internal cable routing, custom metallic paint, and all-black accessories. It delivers cross country geometry with 130mm front and 120mm rear suspension travel. Air suspension is lightweight and highly adjustable for different rider weights. Boost hub spacing with a 15mm thru-axle adds stiffness and strength for the front wheel. Interestingly, the rear hub is not Boost and uses 141mm hub spacing with a traditional 9mm axle and skewer. Quick release for both wheels and seat clamp offer easy transport prep and trail maintenance. Large 203mm hydraulic disc brakes and quad piston calipers offer quick stops and fast cooling. The motor is very quiet and offers a satisfying ride. Giant offers a smartphone app for tuning the different levels of assist and the bike is now Bluetooth and Ant+ wireless compatible for use with Garmins and other devices. Rubberized button pad is easy to reach and seems very durable, but the readouts are limited and a bit confusing in my opinion. There appears to be a kickstand mounting point for riders who wish to add one (great fo SUV type riders who park in garages and at bike racks vs. pure off-road users). No dropper post on this model, which seems like a common option for mountain bikes at this price level. Very heavy battery for the average 500 watt hour capacity... even compared to Giant's own prior-year battery packs. Large motor casing hangs down a bit which isn't as visually satisfying and might introduce rock or log strikes. Battery lock and charging port are on the no-drivetrain side of the bike (facing the ground when the bike is laid down) and the charging port is in the left crank arm's rotation path. Very large and heavy battery charger, requires a dongle adapter to charge the pack off the bike.
0:00 Introduction, battery and hardware overview
17:07 Ebike control pad buttons and readouts
24:33 Optional Garmin accessory display
33:41 Ride test begins, first person perspectives
36:25 Motor closeup, on-frame perspectives
39:39 Third person ride through the forest
42:41 Conclusion and site resources
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Thanks for a great afternoon Court. Had a lot of fun and it was awesome to see how you put these videos together! Perfect day for it too!
Good comments about that silly gap by the motor
@@ForbinColossus Thanks mate. No idea why that is. I solved the issue with a neoprene/velcro calf brace. I can't believe it would be for heat dissipation. My Fathom has the same motor with the battery on the other side of the downtube with no gap at all.
Hey Dave, what bike rack is that?
@@b_roc2591 Hi there, it's a Saris Bones EX 3 with hatch huggers.
@@El_Jim I'm 6' on the nose which is right in the suggested sizing. The fit has been great for me.
I Own the same bike. Over 3000km already in a daily commute. Chose this bike for the less aggressive, but still robust build to hit our local coulee trails on the weekend. Great ride, drivetrain and full squish. Highly recommended. Glad to see EBR got a chance to check it out! Thanks to Dave for providing "our bike" :)
Awesome! I'm still in love with it.
Love the cam angles to watch suspension working 😃👍 Two friendly nice guys. Thanks for the clip!
thanks for this thorough review guys! super helpful! this bike has ALOT going for it, especially for the price point...
Thanks for your great reviews...I am now only watching 'your' reviews for the e-bikes.
What a great bike, brilliant review with Dave 👍🚲
Thanks Robert! I had a pile of fun, and Court is a gracious host.
I like how you give time to the owners to give their thoughts without rushing things :)
Very Informative review. Thanks
Thanks fir this awesome review
Cheers. Had a ton of fun doing it!
Great review I love giant bikes I currently ride cross cycle bike tcx 2010 model.the bike is still going strong.giant always uses good components. Enjoy your ride.🚲🍁
Awesome! Enjoy your TCX in good health mate!
Wow, what a great video! I was looking for videos for fathom e+2 but it’s hard to find any good review, and this make me maybe for the upgrade… you owe me money ;p
I'm glad the review helped you! Hope you enjoy the bike :D
Really enjoyed this casual review with Dave and his Giant. I have a Giant ROAM that I absolutely love, it's simple and whisper quiet to ride. Really thinking of taking the leap into the E-Bike realm and the Stance E+1 is at the top of my list, so this review (even if it's a bit old), was great. I do appreciate your reviewing presentation and how you stay focused on the BIKE, and not make it all about the reviewer. :-) Keep up the good work.
Thanks! I try to help people learn about the bikes and bring some useful perspectives without being too long winded or self focused :)
Did you end up getting the stance e? I just got one and love it.
@@darriusholt Yes, I bought the Stance E+1 and it has completely changed my MTB experience. Power, smooth control operation, great range. Love it!
@@volocty That's good. Right now I mainly ride on the street so I may switch the tires to schwalbe hurricane.
Pretty sick review
Good to see you doing a Giant again Court, very nice of Dave to let you review his awesome bike! As always you were very thorough and honest and what a great setting in the woods! I love my Giant Road E+1 Pro and have covered almost 15,000 miles in the 3 years I have owned it, hope to see you review a Giant road bike in the future!
Hi Rab! I definitely appreciate Dave letting me ride his bike. I had called and visited Giant stores in the Vancouver area, begging them to let me borrow a bike to review and promising to pay for any damage or replace if necessary and keep it clean, but they had limited inventory and just weren't willing to screw around with me. One shop in White Rock gave me contact info for Giant marketing and I reached out right away, but nothing has come of it so far. I definitely want to cover the mainstream brands, but some companies do a better job of facilitating and I tend to cover their bikes more often as a result (Trek, Specialized, CUBE). I'm just glad to have this variety, because Giant is a great company and it's neat to see their solutions and how quiet their Yamaha motor is :D
@@ElectricBikeReview Hi Court! That's a real shame, there is a real shortage and probably will be for quite some time! :(
I oyt a dropper post put on it when I bought it. There is internal routing built in so it is a clean install. Speaking of auto mod, it works but unless I am on a steep climb over 15% its on level 1 or 2. To get back in auto mode, hold down the up button for three seconds and it will revert to auto. The app gives you realtime battery levels.
I own a 2020 Stance e2 and have be riding it just over year it's a pretty solid bike! and I do mean all year it handles the weather pretty darn good and Giant stands behind their stuff not that I havn't had problems.
I’ve had many problems.
Motor cracking sounds, sent it back to the dealer, got a repaired one back - after 1 month. This happened 1 year after buying the bike.
The brake at the back isn’t going straight and can’t even be set up properly, because of the poor quality of tektro brakes
The front damper isn’t sensitive at all, and it makes weird dumping sounds
@@alcapone5990 This certainly has not been the case with mine. As far as front fork is concerned have you set it up correctly and kept it properly lubed. That being said it's not a high end front fork so it's not going to respond to that level, but it is a descent fork sounds like yours has an issue which may or not have to do with Maintenace. I have upgraded my brakes to some serious stopping power. Thou tektro brakes aren't poor quality but if you bent your rotor it doesn't matter what brand of brakes you have or other components in a crash or hit them. That being said I'm not going assume that is the case
Awesome review! Looking at getting one here in Nova Scotia Canada, pretty much sold on it now.
Gotta say I'm still super happy with the Stance E. It has been bullet proof for me.
That’s great news, I just put a deposit on a 2023 model, can’t wait for it to come in…….should be here next week.
Great review! I have an old Giant Warp DS3 mtb, not electric, but one hell of a fun bike!. The best bike I've ever owned.
Sweet! Sounds like it worked great for you. Still got it, or passed along at some point?
@@ElectricBikeReview Still have it, and still ride it on occasion. It's the only full suspension bike I have and still my fave, though my Rad Runner is a close 2nd!!!
I like that there are giant dealers everywhere. I have one here in Reno where I live. Yhats a big big selling point. All of the direct to consumer bike companies are shielded from issues by hundreds of miles and even international borders lol.
I might buy a giant after watching this video? Specialized is huge here in the Reno Tahoe area but man they are expensive.
Are you in Reno and do you ride a E bike ??
@@andrewcruz5004 yes and yes
thank you for the great review, it was very helpful! Do you have any thoughts on the plus one model? I'm considering buying one of the two and I'm not sure which way to go at this point. I understand there are a few differences with the components although at this point the primary thing that I find the feeling is that the other model has larger battery
Merci pour ce test et présentation. I'm a bit surprised when you say that this bike is for xc and not for the mountain. I guess you can ride all mountain with it?
Boost 141 is a boost spacing for QR. If you swap the endcaps on a thruaxle boost hub to QR you will get a 141 hub
Interesting, thanks for clarifying this for me!
He could use dielectric grease in those connecters as well i think to help keep them from the elements
very informative video..i just ordered the 2022 model for a bargain price..!!!
greetings from germany
Super cool! I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine!
@@davematthews7052 ..so far i do..😍
@@Bitplanebrother thinking about getting one now since it's on sale. any problems with it?
@@TheSpineOfTheWorld :..bought mine in april 2023..so far no problems with it...not even a flat tire..but i do use the bike for exploring..not downhill..
@@Bitplanebrother that's very good then. This is going to be my first real purchase of bike. Was hoping to use this to commute to work and do some offroading stuff like fields and trails.
When are you gonna review the NCM milano +? I just ordered mine
nice video, and also good to hear a first hand review; seems nothing wrong with the bike (maybe except the capacity/weight of battery, and strange design decisions they've made), but overall nice bike ;)
Strange that now also the motor is trying to figure out what you want as support, same as with the [automatic] envolio I think they need a camera to see what is up next, before they can outsmart the bikers intuition on what (s)he needs, but maybe it takes more getting used to.
Yeah, even Bosch has an automatic mode for some of their systems. It’s called eMTB and I suspect that it relies more heavily on pedal torque as it offers a wide range of 140% to 340% output.
I think the "auto" mode is OK for super casual semi short trips. It works well but I found it to be redundant in fairly short order.
How does the motor perform if you reach the 25 kmh? Like bosch you can ride it like there is no motor.... so is it easy to pedal with giant after the 25 kmh barrier?
Cool video. How does the Giant do on steep grade streets? I live on one that's 30 to nearly 45 degrees in some places...does the pedal assist help push you up the hill easily?
Never met a hill it couldn't conquer. Not yet.
Hi guys, to get back to auto mode on my Fathom E+3 , I press the level down button to get to level one. Then if I keep a long press on the down button, it flicks back to auto. 👍
Great review. What model Garmin did you have on the bike?
Never mind. Found it at 24:33 thanks to time stamp. 👍
How long does this bike run on it's battery before it needs a charge? Also can you drive it without the battery assisting?
Does it still give you a good workout & exercise even with an electric motor? Thanks!
I got Giant Fathom E+ EX (2021), which seems to me pretty much similar bike on technology wise. Main difference is that Fathom series hasn't got rear suspension. Also the EX model has kickstand, lights, fenders and bigger 625Wh battery, which is why I chose this model. But somehow I missed that it has Ridecontrol Dash controls, which has small display and also has USB-C output for charging or additional lights. Also I got to mention when you wondered if it was possible to get back to auto assist without power cycle and at least on Ridecontrol Dash you just hold assist down button for few seconds and it will go auto mode.
Great insights and tips, the ride Ridecontrol Dash looks awesome! I hope to cover a bike with that sometime in the future for sure. Are you in BC by any chance?!
@@ElectricBikeReview Sorry nope, I live in Finland
Good to know! Will try that later! Cheers!
Aha! Tried the "holding down button" to get back to auto mode and it works like a charm. Thanks again!
You own one. If you do peddle assist and not all motor how many km can you get. And if your battery dies how hard is it to peddle the rest of your ride.
If you want to review a WAW velomobile I own with pedal assist you should come down to Plano, TX
A kickstand gets in the way. You are not going anywhere when you are charging. Even if you lay it down the angle of the plug is not a problem. With respect to the dongle, I tie-wrapped the holder to the charging cord. to retain it.
I bought this bike to take the edge off climbs. When you are going on 69 that is useful, especially if you live on the side of a mountain where it truly is uphill both ways. It allows me to ride from my door and not have to worry about the 20% grade going to my house. As far as capability on technical trails is concerned, it is a very capable climber. I wouldn't try to break speed records on a downhill course, it works quite well. I have had this bike for just over two weeks and just bought the women's version for my wife. No comparison to a hardtail, which is essentially the same price.
I am not terribly impressed by the ride control app; the app should be able to integrate a heart monitor but no way,
From what I can tell this is the most economical full suspension bike and for my purposes will work very well. One other benefit is that living in the Fraser Valley, the Canadian Head office is in North Vancouver, so I don't have to worry about a problem resulting in a bike being shipped across the country for a warranty repair.
Giant:Very Nice e-bike..........Giant:Price.
Nice bike. But placing the battery inside the underside of the down tube, and then also placing the charging connection point at the bottom portion of the underside, only increases chances that it will pick up water and road gunk while riding. And increases the chance for an accidental battery drop onto the ground. That engineering decision should be improved with future models.
The only thing which killed this for me was no dropper post. Got a Reign e+ 3 instead. It has better components overall and a bigger battery on the 2023. Model
141 qr is boost. It is the same as 148 ta. Giant and Trek likes to use the 141 qr.
Wow, I didn’t know that, thanks Duy Le!
Beautiful bike and video, thanks. Sign me up for a road version Giant. I want to commute with full suspension, without spending 8k. My Explore E+3 is slamming into MI potholes at 20mph.
I hear you brother. I love my Fathom E but I missed the dual suspension from my old Norco. The Stance kills it for a comfy ride.
@@davematthews7052 Enjoy it man. Again, great video. Do you think this would be a good commuter on near bombed out roads?
@@fendermon Well for me it's a better choice than my Fathom is/was. The Stance has a better, slightly more upright position. I find it way more comfortable for longer rides. And the rear suspension is awesome.
@@davematthews7052 Great. I haven't rode a full suspension, except a small test ride on a regular stance. Giant really makes great bikes. -Cheers
A suspension seat post is the true answer, If you are just doing everyday riding. Cheaper than going full sus and very affective! And don't have to keep a rear sus maintained. There are some great options out there and they don't cost a fortune like those ridiculously over priced brands lie FOX and Thudbuster, Just don't go for them shoddy looking dead cheap ones lol. XLC are the boss for value vs dampening quality. By all means invest in a full sus if that's no skin of your wallet you might as well aha
Court.. I have seen some mountain bikes with a smaller (27.5") back wheel and a larger (29") front wheel... They say it helps with riding trails.. What do you know about this..? My mechanic says it would throw off the geometry... But i like to sit more upright to take the strain off my shoulder/wrist. Your thoughts on these newer bikes with smaller back wheels..? rawB
Commonly known as a "Mullet" setup... www.bikeradar.com/features/what-is-faster-mullet-bike-29er/
I’m okay with then! But, it does make buying tubes and tires a bit more difficult. The larger front wheel provides a lower attack angle to smooth out the bumps. If you’re ascending steep hills, it could be difficult to keep the front from lifting. I’ve only reviewed a couple of these bikes, and they were fine… it’s not a big difference, maybe just a way to experiment or gain a slight edge for specific riding? What travel is the bike you’re looking at? Is is cross country, all mountain, or downhill?
The “mullet” bikes are usually made to bomb downhill trails.
I've got a Stance E+0 Pro...it's a fine bike, but now I'm thinking of getting a Creo SL Expert Evo from Specialized.
I really like the SL drive system and am a fan of Specialized. Hope it works well for you.
I have a 21 Specialized turbo vado sl , nice bike, same motor and battery as the creo, has a slacker head angle and higher bottom bracket . Im running 40c Nano's that work great on and off road , but it will fit 47's
Battery capacity is measured by manufacturers like certain physical characteristics measured by guys... don't believe everything you read. I would LOVE to see somebody do an actual charge/discharge measurement.
Hold the up button for smart assist.
Thanks for the tip! If you’re into bitcoin, HODL
Wow thanks 👍🏻😁
Thinking about this or the talon e. Any suggestions?
Talon or Fathom are great for hardtail. Both would be fun.
That gap is a problem. A good 3D print engineer could easily design a filler lip to cover the gap, gluing it to the battery fins, filling the fins near the motor so water doesn't run down onto the motor connectors. Giant should have done that for you. Also, having to buy a Garmin for $370 to monitor battery level isn't good. The bike should have a battery gauge as standard.
Interesting thought on the 3D print! The Garmin was a multiple purpose purchase. Bonus was getting cadence, power, battery, and other stats out of the ANT+ connection. Thanks for watching!
you don't have to buy anything extra to monitor the battery level unless you want to measure it in smaller increments and then one would want to make sure it's accurate
@@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v Yup. I ran with just the 5 LEDs for about 3 years.
i gues iwould glue a rubber flap to the Battery to solve that problem..but as far as i know there are 3 partys that sell those already...(1year after this review)
greetings from germany
Ich hab das selbe Bike.
Ist ein schönes Gerät
I ordered an XL Stance E+ but I can’t find total length dimensions from end to end. Does anyone know the dimensions? Trying to figure out how I can get it in my car. Thanks!!
I will try to get you a measurement when I get to the shop tomorrow. 😁
Front wheel comes off fast and easy to fit in a car.
how tall are you and did it fit you well? I'm 196 cm so I'm a bit worried I'll be on the edge of it not being comfortable
Where does the key go?
Top of the downtube on the left side.
Thanks Dave!
Motors loud but probably more reliable than my turbo Levo
That surprises me. What issues do you have with the Levo?
@@davematthews7052 my motor failed on my first gen turbo levo at 700 miles at about a year old and the sensor also failed on the
Back wheel and took like 3 months for them to get in from Taiwan. So it was in shop forever but they did repair under warranty however I was not impressed I have a giant explorer e bike that seems more robust but only has 500 miles on it. After that debacle I looked online and seems that is fairly consistent w the quality to expect from specialized. The battery Rosenberg mag connection looks to be prone to failure as well.
@@DrJoel-is3uy Sorry to hear of your Turbo Levo troubles mate. All manufacturers have problems (Giant included), but most of the big companies take care of their customers well.
Fancy dongle and chargers linked to the BMS so no aftermarket chargers can be used don't you just luv Bosch
This Giant ebike uses a Yamaha drive system, Bosch chargers do not have a dongle adapter. Both appear to use proprietary interfaces and more closed controllers, so your point is fairly valid. Open source is nice, like the Reention batteries, since they can be repacked or directly replaced.
@@ElectricBikeReview Interesting that the previous Giant battery connector (still used on some models) is XLR like a microphone. Not sure the reason for the change.
EMTB is a whole new sports. Your now competing with 70-year olds 😂
Nice looking bike but poor quality control or poor transport.Rear wheel has major issues right out of the box. czcams.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Rear axle is bent! Derailleur is misaligned.Since the rear wheel comes assembled I would have expected better.Assembly instructions poorly written, but that was not unexpected...just annoying.I just had the bike checked at a shop and was told that I should contact the seller about getting a whole rear wheel assembly with cartridge. (The bike shop could not do anything to help me).Not a good experience with this bike, so lesson learned.Added 3 stars for excellent customer serviceUpdate Sept 8 2020Just received a complete replacement wheel for free. Great service and an otherwise fine bike.
Too loud. Sounds like getting a tooth drilled.
Are you too lazy to use your volume control?
Hopefully you're not referring to the Stance motor. It's incredibly quiet.
Perhaps you were hearing the Bosch motor, the Yamaha on the Giant Stance is one of the quietest mid-drives that I’ve tested, especially in this power range.
Weakest review ever...
What is bike weight ? Purchased the Lectric premium bike and it was so big and heavy rode it 4 blocks and sold it what a Damn Joke.
They really are shockingly over priced those bikes.