Why Landorus-T isn't banned from OU - Open Mic
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0:00 - Why Lando-T is used so much in the first place
3:10 - Why Lando-T isn't broken
5:59 - Another option besides Lando-T
7:50 - Summary
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Dude, I remember hating cloyster so much. It was the most annoying thing ever.
choice scarf cloister sound ass
Scarf on the cloyster?
the only way Lando-T could fall off would be for OU to be completely inhospitable to it, like what happened to Tyranitar in Gen 9
There's a key difference though, ttar has terrible defensive typing on paper, with 7 weaknesses. It was only able to survive in ou because the sheer bulk it gets from sandstorm allows it to shrug off super effective coverage moves. (that and enabling sand sweepers of course) Lando on the other hand only has 2 weaknesses, so unless ice gets buffed to become the best type in the game by far, its typing will continue to be good no matter the metagame.
@@silvergalaxia8538 Let's be clear here, ice *is* one of the best typings in the game, offensively that is, and is an extremely common type to use for coverage on especially special attackers. I agree with what you're saying though, just wanted to make it clear that it's not that ice is weak offensively and Lando lives forever because of that, Lando just does a ton of things on top of having few weaknesses, role compression from being both a ground/electric immunity, a rocker, potential scarfer, bandorus, SD explosion, etc. It has many sets and many options for what it wants to accomplish on a team.
But it didn't fall. It stay in the tier like a pure champ.
@@silvergalaxia8538 Like Zapdos. Zapdos is always in OU because of its duo typing.
don't forget losing pursuit was kind of a big deal as well
I really love this "just let BKC ramble for ten minutes" videos, they could go one step further and be an hour long like in his channel
Needs more bathroom breaks and movie trivia.
I'd really like to hear Kellen speak more tbh, BKC already has his own channel
@@beechteeth Yeah, but that channel’s mostly about his interactions with Ryan Gosling and Ana de Armas. Pokémon is kinda secondary to that.
Honestly, I prefer the faster pace of his How good was (blank) ACTUALLY. But everyone should have their own opinions and there is never one right answer where all viewers are happy. Anyway TL;DR, BKC is good, but I like this (false swipe (I don't know his name 😅))
i just stumbled on these videos on false swipe gaming channel one day and hear this guy ive never heard of rambling for minutes straight and am instantly ok with it hehe im still pleasantly surprised at how interesting he is to listen to
So basically: Landorus-T was not banned because it was never overbearing or overwhelming, it just had high usage bc of how well it facilitates your team.
Correct. Saying Lando-T should be banned due to usage alone would be like saying Seismitoad should be banned due to being one of the most used pokemon during Dracovish's reign. Seismitoad was only used to often because it had qualities that were *demanded* in the teambuilder, and likewise, lando-t has qualities that are valuable in its meta. You don't need to use labdo-t specifically (unlike seismitoad, who was needed to stop dracovish from getting an automatic KO every time it hit the field,) but if you already have 5 pokemon locked in, lando-t is very easy to fit into the last slot.
@@emmetstanevich2121but Landorus is literally always “demanded”. At what point is it appropriate to consider “hey maybe this extremely well-rounded pokemon has similar magnitude of upside to ubers mons which were banned for more specific but more irritating upsides?”
Idk though, personally I don’t have much stake in competitive smogon and such
@@Amalinglando isnt required for a competitively viable team in any gen its in
Lando T isn't the Instant Win Button that some people might think it is, it's closer to a swiss army knife that can handle a bunch of situations, but isn't always equipped to outright win those situations
The common term for “slappable” Pokémon in a tier I like to use is a Glue Mon. It can stick things together to make it viable, but on its own, there’s multiple ways to deal with it.
Lax is a tremendous example. If you focus entirely on beating Lax, you’re gonna get whipped. Instead, it’s how it brings a team together that shows it’s strength. It can be the offensive mon on a stall team, take out critical threats with Boom for a sweep, it can put things to sleep, it can be a defensive backbone, but it can’t do all of that at once.
LandoT is the same.
So Gen 3 Porygon2?
my goto glue mon for gens 6 and 7 was cleffairy. so much versatility, it really brought teams together :)
My gen 9 glue is Alolan Muk
my favorite one by far is eelektross in nu, it's got a great typing + ability combo, balanced offenses and bulk and basically every attacking move ever, so if there's any offensive or defensive hole in your team eelektross can probably fill it up
I hate that people use this argument for Kingambit.
Asides from the very rare Assault vest, and the various flavors of swords dance -> punch/kowtow/head/kick gambling sprees which reversal games when combined with tera and rewards you for losing it doesn't bring too much to the game. It doesn't really hold anything together, if anything is that it's Tusk especially as tusk prevents gholdengo, samurott, and Glimmora from forcing hazards to be up 24/7 and also is one of the few things that can stand in the way of Gambit turning a mostly alive team into a dead team.
Lando t and incineroar competing for wolfe's hatred :🥰
I would like to hear Kellen speak more, he is a great talker with a script but it would be great to hear his opinions on things
can't agree more
That pivoting into Gyarados thing is sooo true. I've pivoted Lando into Baxcalibur multiple times, staying in to taunt or attack many times in one battle numerous times. Tera helps too but still
In General Landorus-T is a very versatile pokemon capable of filling so many roles, Stealth Rocker, physically defensive, Swords Dance Etc... it's basically a metagame glue, yet it's huge presence doesn't make him busted , since he is doesn't have limited checks nor restricts teambuilding. Like many pokemon Landorus has flaws and those are the reasons why it will get never sent to Ubers.
o he restricts teambuilding you always always need something that can handle lando because its used so fucking much and on top of that it has a crazy amount of viable sets
He does restrict team building, since he's everywhere you need something that can handle him well or you struggle every other battle
So he's similar to gen 2 Snorlax in that sense
@@blurb9319 the big key difference snorlax pretty much does the same thing everymatch lando you gotta find out if its offensive defensive or support and what varient of each one of those it is
@@OPGardevoirbut It facilitatits its because It covers so many roles and opens spaces on you team for using other mons
BKC with False swipe gaming really is a match made in heaven
It’s not really “with” though… BKC talks for the whole video
@@E_X_I_T yeah I was really hoping these would be more like a conversation instead of BKC's second channel
@@beechteeth 150% even still I don’t wanna hear those 3 other dudes talk. 😂 if I did, I’d go to their channel.
I wanna hear the iconic Falseswipe!
@@E_X_I_T True true, it's just a BKC video with actual montage and less rambling (which makes it less BKCish honestly)
@@beechteethAt least here the bathroom breaks are edited out
It has a base 145 attack so it can hit pretty hard
145 is indeed a larger than average number, and as an rpg player that is something I can appreciate
Just for reference, thats Mega Salamence's attack stat. If Lando-T had actual Flying STAB not named Fly/S. Skystrike, we'd have Mini Megamence flying around.
@@butteredsalmonella wait a second it has the same attack stat of mega Salamance that is insane
@@megamonVCG I mean it's good but Mega Mence's stats are also higher everywhere else.
Exclusive Flying/Ground type as well.
You basically never "lose" because your opponent has a Lando-T. You can always wear it down and if you can't deal with its offensive pressure and utility, then there's a lot more in the metagame your team also can't handle. The closest it was to being broken was the z sets in gen 7 that could legitimately sweep teams. It's basically a B+ mon on offense, a B+ mon on defense and an A mon in utility options and there's no other Pokemon that's as well rounded. Great Tusk is there same except without Lando having defog, knock off, and toxic Tusk is just better
I never find lando T that much of a problem. I feel like he adds a lot to the game and that’s why he’s so used, but he’s incredibly easy to dispatch with almost any water type or an ice type move on anyone.
Most people now just get used to the environment having Lando-T around
l personally just gave up on the Over "Totally-Not-Ubers" Used tier altogether; the power creep from all the legendaries and pseudos roaming the tier is just obscene now.
I feel like Lando-T is the Maxx C of Pokemon
@@HazeEmrythe problem is Yu-Gi-Oh have 2 different banlist and we already see meta without maxx c is perfectly fine. Maxx c and Lando T is two different situation. You comparing the two is like saying because incerneroar good in VGC it also good in single.
@@ramaroy2408 but the list without Maxx C compensates by having other things banned. What would even be the comparison then? I'm more of a ygo dude even though I'm not as meta or wtv. Just tryna wrap this around my brain with ygo terms. Something that needs to be around to check others, that can do well but not overpower... Maybe Ash Blossom? Still a tuner even if you can't negate something with it. Kashtira Fenrir maybe?
@@HazeEmry there is really no comparison between Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokémon. But if you really want comparison Lando is basically staple that stop the meta from going downhill(in Yu-Gi-Oh this can be handy traps or board breaker) which not really exist in Yu-Gi-Oh. Maxx C is meta warping cards that basically create 2 different games.
Though in Yu-Gi-Oh case it's really hard cause it's more complicated.
I think what alot of people (usually non-comp players) miss is one key thing:
Lando-T isnt broken
He's flexible and ANNOYING, yes
But not broken whatsoever. He's able to adapt to most megas and acts as the tiger's glue mon
It actually makes sense if you think about it for 5 minutes
Rarely do people complain that Lando's broken. Just that it's boring and pervasive.
With how fantastic it is as a utility mon, you're not going to do anything unique with him outside sliding around his EVs to take on a different mon to pivot. You *can* have fun with a swords set, but even that's limited.
Sheer Force Lando I is faster and hits harder than Lando T with several attacks
@@shawnli4746 Life Orb Sheer Force Lando I is an ubers set, and a special attacking set.
until it slaps on a choice band and run over teams💀💀.....
Your onion, m8.
This was a really good open mic! I love the mix up in content!
Fantastic video! BKC is a legend!
Reminds me of Mienfoo in gen8 LC. After the standard bans of oppressive flying types and ghosts, the meta settled around having a defensive mienfoo on nearly every single team, but it wasn’t broken. Other foos could check your foo, so many things could switch into its knock off, and other sets like scarf or band saw play too
I know it's the meta set, but I just can't use defensive lando. The idea of using an offensive powerhouse defensively completely fries my brain.
Exactly bro. I understand great tusk because its much bulkier and slower (less likely to sweep) but lando has possibly the best offensive dual typing in the game behind ghost fighting and it has an attack stat nearing groudon
Saying this, my favourite set to run is still choice band rocks. You lead with it, get rocks up. Everyone assumes defensive or maybe scarf. Then absolutely smoke the lando switch ins aside from great tusk
Yeah, it’s like Garchomp right now, he’s basically made to destroy everything and now it’s just used defensively
@@danka1167 Best offensive dual typing is a *little* limited when lando only has fly for flying STAB though, unless you feel like going tera flying and using tera blast for it
@@danka1167same for tusk, only set i run is offensive utility. and lando doesn't really have the best offensive typing when he can't use half of it.
The best way to move on from this is to realize Lando effectively have 145 base attack and like base 158.defense when factoring intimidate
And the gap between Lando offense to the best offenses in the game is much much much higher than it was for defensive side that way. 145 without insane nuke or nuking ability is lukewarm vs effectively tankier than Hippowdon
my only issue i had with lando t was they gave it everything from defog to knock off to intimidate to a amazing typing and then they made some pokemon just awful
That's usually legendaries vs. regular mons for you, yeah
I can't believe there is some guy in GF
Who made kingambit and spidops in same generation
The way I would put it is that the way Lando-T plays results in a metagame with an appropriate tempo. It's harder, but not impossible, to play hyper offense and hard stall with it around, which leads to more games where players make considered options and the game isn't decided long before it's finished.
I feel like lando-t hits that "sweet spot" balance-wise. It's very capable, and very flexible, but it doesn't win games on its own. Lando-T can do pretty much whatever it wants well, but there are a lot of things it wants to do, and it can't do all of them at once, so it becomes a matter of deciding how you want to build your lando-t to fill a specific hole in your team, much like how GSC 'lax can be tailored to fit its team's specific needs.
Also, I find the argument that lando-t should be banned from OU specifically because it's too common to be kinda funny. Like, dude, you're playing in the tier literally called "OverUsed," filled with pokemon that are showing up constantly because they're the either the best or the easiest to use for their roles, and I'm pretty sure nearly every one of them has probably gotten on someone's nerves for showing up too often. If you want to play pokemon without running into lando-t, or great tusk, or GSC 'lax, then UnderUsed (or a lower tier) is *literally* created for that specific purpose, giving underused, overlooked and underappreciated pokemon a chance to show their stuff without getting steamrolled by the top dogs of the meta.
Moral of the story, if you don’t want to see or play with Lando-T, play a different tier newbie. (Though for real, as someone who still a noob a competitive Pokémon seeing the lower tiers shift every month is crazy)
@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146 I feel like sometimes people don't understand the purpose of the tiering system. It isn't to say "these pokemon SUCK and you're an unskilled player if you like them," but rather, it acknowledges that lesser-used pokemon aren't used very often for a reason, and rather than dooming them to languish in unviability, they're given tiers of their own so that someone who, say, really likes wailord or unfeazant can build a team with their favorite pokemon and play against pokemon of a similar power level, without having to worry about lando-t, or garchomp, or kingambit.
This is good talk. I think the speaker summarized it very well and here’s my understanding: Lando-T fills the gaps of many teams allowing them more flexibility overall, and he’s never broken or ever needs a specific counter. You never run into a Lando T and think “F my life I hate this Pokémon” (like Toxipex, and my personal bane, Gliscor who is also mentioned in this video lol)
People here are misinterpreting the argument "it can be anything" as "it is BETTER than everything".
No, landorus is not inherently the best stealth rocker, swords dancer, staller, intimidate user, etc just because it can do those things to good effect. If that were the case, mew wouldn't have jumped tiers as much as it has. Garchomp is faster with stab dragon and defensive potential in rough skin, and the only reason incineroar isn't inherently better is because lando t directly counters it.
Lando t is the way it is because it's just easy to use. You don't have to put as much work into fitting lando t into a team as you would with others that can also do it's job. Need an intimidate user but don't want to account for incineroars low speed or weaknesses? Use landorous t. Need a sweeper but you don't want to account for earthquake? Use landorous t. The way i word it sounds like your getting rid of weaknesses but your just trading them for an ice weakness and anything that can fly and deal with stone edge. It's not like it makes other pokemon obsolite, it's just more convinient to have one pokemon with a couple weakness for multiple teams, rather than each team requiring a different more specialized pokemon each with their own set of flaws that need to be dealt with.
Loving the recent BKC specials
If you have played against lando you should get it, never really feels like overwhelming on team preview in the way that many banned mons do
Gen 2 didn't ban snorlax b/c then it would become total stall. Not only is snorlax a wall, but mainly a wallbreaker
Yea like plenty of old gens still see ruleset updates. I think Gen 3 OU just banned Sand Veil in 2020, over 15 years since it was the current metagame. GSC isn't keeping Snorlax cuz there's not enough people to care, it's because they genuinely prefer Lax over every team either being special offense or stall
Honestly I feel if landorus was ridden of all utility like stealth rock and instead given decent flying stab, it would instantly be an uber, and not an OUBL uber like Chi Yu, straight up good in ubers. Its crazy how many flying types don’t have good stab. Basically no special attacker does since hurricane isn’t great and air slash is weak and mostly frail mons or non-flying types get brave bird
There are a few good hurricane flying types like Mega Pidgeot and Choice scarf Drizzle Pelliper
@@kennisthecreatorpigeot mega isn’t in gen 8 or 9 and in gen 7 was amazing in UU, not OU. Choice scarf pelliper is an interesting pick . Offensive pelliper would rather run specs in most cases honestly.
Idk if the flying stab would put in him in Uber in Gen 9 tbh, the metagames too crazy to be overwhelmed by that
Barely any non-flying types get Brave Bird. What are you talking about?
@@saiyanfreak barely any mons get it in the first place, i’m saying those who do are commonly not flying types
Landorus-T is basically the mascot of Competitive Pokémon. It’s always been good for how versatile it is and it has been that way since 2012. A powerful but fair Pokémon.
"fair"
@@homerman76 he is not broken, he is fair in all his roles, he just got many roles
Consistently been OU since forever. Outstanding stats, nice ability, exclusive typing no other Pokémon has, great defense coverage with 2 immunities to Electric and Ground. Anyone with an ice type move or suspected with an ice type hidden power move can be well predicted from a mile away.
Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim, Aegislash or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪
As much as I hate some mons for being commonly used I couldn't imagine wanting to ban something just because you're tired of seeing it, because that's ultimately what this amounts to
Sometimes I wonder why people want to ban a pokemon just for showing up too often instead of playing a lower tier, but I have a feeling that what they *really* want is to play their OU team with one less obstacle.
Gen IX NU is basically the same but with Sandaconda
I vaguely remember a similar video about Gen 2 Snorlax, and from that and the idea of this video, I get the jist. It's not about the Pokemon being popular, it's about how they aren't banworthy. They have answers and counters, so they aren't unfair. But they make it so you can have alternate options be more viable, because you have a useful and practical bread and butter to rely on while building your team. You can afford to try other things while still being able to get the basics of what you need with it.
.....and part way through writing this, these guys reference Gen 2 Snorlax. Of course. XD
Lando T could never beat Goku
No but scarf lando could
disagreed; he just needs 5 minutes
It can’t, but it can cripple Goku with Knock Off and chip from entry hazard damage/Toxic and weaken him with Intimidate before using U-Turn to get the SD Kartana that WOULD beat Goku in.
Goku takes 25% from Stealth Rocks, I think Lando-T solos all of Dragon Ball.
sooo u haven't met banded lando T💀💀.....
Simple, it's not too strong for the tier, just really good in it!
I used Cryogonal to counter Lando T for a little while. It was hilarious
I’m just waiting for the day Megas come back and Blissey gets Fur Coat
That would do nothing
@@kumoko3728why though? I think Fur Coat Blissey is here meant to be Mega-Blissey. If I not mistaken, the stats of megas rise by 100 points. Give most of it into phys. def. and a bit into it's special offense ... Sounds quite frightening to me.
There is, of course, not exactly a reason for megas to make a return. Neither is there a plausible reason for Mega-Blissey to have fur coat. But that's on a different sheet.
@@SmittyWerbenjagermanjensen_1 Blissey's whole point is being able to pivot in and out to tank special hits and provide some sort of utility (rocks, twave, heal bell, etc). Getting rid of natural cure makes it crippling weak to status moves which gimps its role severely.
@@daniela4738 that's what Blissey currently does. However, these changes would turn it into a completely different mon. Not being nuked by any physical attack would enable it to tank both phys. and spec. attacks. It still got options to heal it's status ... I could imagine it to be the wet dream of some cancerous stall strategies
@@SmittyWerbenjagermanjensen_1not with recovery moves nerfed to 8 pp.
Bkc talking about lando having 70 percent usage
Incineroar in vgc 2019 having 95 the whole year
Those are rookie numbers, Snorlax had 100% for 2 gens in a row.
@@JesterQueenAnne :(
Assault vested landorus-T could counter special water and ice checks, which are usually its main counters.
Same reason why Wash Rotom was virtually splashable as well since their checks go hand-in-hand.
I look at it the same way as I look at removal in Magic: the Gathering [weird comparison, I know]: Answers should always be stronger than questions. A format of all questions [threats] with no viable answers [checks/defensive options] that cover them more generally is inherently volatile, i.e. swingy, fast, non-interactive, and less rewarding to skill while being more rewarding to surprising people. This is a format where games are won before the match even begins based primarily on match up and it takes a lot of agency out of the game. On the other end, a format with a couple great broad answers [defensive options] leads to more same-y teams, sure, but also more positional play, more interaction, more back and forth. A format with one, two, even three auto-include pokemon on the team with a couple different viable builds and the remaining slots to do what you want with is more fun than a format where it's just a contest of who can get their boosts and sweep first.
4x weakness to common coverage, doesn't get a good flying stab move, levitate immunity to ground and the ability isn't great
Not to be a hater but bkc is amazing when he rambles with some structure
I still hate him because of how omnipresent he was when i first tried to play Pokemon in showdown. Would never not include an Ice Shard or fast Ice Beam mon just for it.
Also had one of the coolest cries in pokemon history.
what is the second song on these videos. It sounds so good.
I geniunly never understood why Lando wasn't banned back when it had 70% usage, even hearing this.
'it just checks everything but isn't overbearing'
'you throw in lando in any team cause it has 100 roles it can fit while also being tanky / offensive / utility'
Isnt that signs that it's much, much better than everything else in the tier? I always thought mons were banned from a tier to let other mons a chance in the spotlight?
- Why pick a dedicated utility mon when Lando did that role just as well + offense better at the same time
- Why pick an offensive mon when Lando does offense + is more sturdy at the same time
- Ad inf.
It always seemed like the bar was set at 'but its not Blissey + offensive' when that's a terrible bar to set in the first place. The result was a metagame where so many mons were hardcountered by default if they had an ice weakness cause half a team ran Ice coverage specifically to counter Lando.
Yeah, that's what always boggled my mind, sure it wasn't destroying everything in its path, but it still completely warped the meta around itself
It's everywhere but it's doing a bunch of pretty normal stuff all things considered, it's. It's not irreplaceable, it's presence doesn't force much that you aren't already building for, it's just a good glue like Tusk is. No one was really concerned about Tusk either because these traits aren't overcentralizing.
Exactly this! How are people going to say "Lando isn't overbearing" but then are able to just mindless slap onto any team? He's so relevant in the meta you need something or he's going to be a nuisance when you play against him in every 7 out of 10
@@NobleClap personally i think tusk is more healthy then lando but i think alot of that is because lando lost alot of its utility in gen 9 which thank fucking god. I was sick of seeing it in gen 7 and 8 with its 70% useage at points
@@NobleClap But the reason that's it's literally everywhere in of itself in a metagame specifically counters it _should_ raise some eyebrows i don't see raised at all in the community.
Lets take four examples:
- Garchomp
- M-Scizor
- M-Charizard
- Excadrill
Can we agree Lando is just a better version than all of these because it fills their best niche almost just as well + 2 others much better? It swords dances, defogs, knock offs, u-turns and rocks 99% as well as all the other mon's best niche roles, while they in return aren't capable doing nearly all these things as well in return?
Can we agree that the sole reason to run any of these mons were to get a virtual move advantage over the opponent that reliably ran 3-4 ice coverage move specifically to cover the Lando ?
I'll grant excadrill can spin and is better offensively in a dedicated sand team, but:
- It _should_ be much, *_MUCH_* better if the entire team revolves around it than a random slapped on Lando
- As its hardcountered by lando, that never really got relevant when it had 70% usage, assisting my first point about how allowing lando into the meta meant other mons not getting their chance
I get it literally doesnt do everything, but that's such an unhealthy bar to set for a metagame.
Pleas edit a theorem video explaining why field conditions (weather, entry hazards, trick room, terrains, ect) might be everything
If you lose to Lando-T you probably lost to anything with a strong earthquake.
answer is ice weakness
As much as I despise Landorus T as a Pokémon, I agree it doesn’t make sense to ban it in competitive because there are reasonable ways around it. I really wish its design was good and not hideous, though. Thankfully Great Tusk in Gen 9 has a pretty good design unlike Lando.
Lando-T's design has actually kinda grown on me. It's a bit weird, but I feel like it's somewhat intentional, like a diety taking a more "mundane" form. (I certainly prefer it over "dog with a knife")
Honestly, with how insanely powerful SV OU is, Lugia might be worth a test if it were around. There are so many powerful ghosts.
No, if Lugia can terastalize into a better typing
Lugia in OU is defenetly an interesting idea. Now with the roost nerf and since it doesnt get toxic, it should be more managble than ever before
Lugia was only mid thanks to the the 4 most used mons being;
Yyeltal - Lugia obviously loses this matchup
Solgaleo 2 - immune to toxic and resists stab
Eternatus - immune to toxic, lugia doesn’t run psychic.
Calyrex Shadow - Most influential mon in the tier and absolutely smokes and makes redundant all other psychic and ghost types in the tier, aside from marshadow
It got buffed massively due to heavy duty boots, it would have been good if not for gen 8 being tailormade to stop lugia from cooking
@@therealegr I agree, it would almost definitely Tera water, but using your Tera on a mon that has almost zero offense is risky. Stall is already a great strat now, and Lugia would probably put it way over the top, but I think it might be worth looking at. I think a lot of legends could use some second looks depending on how the DLC shakes out.
Zam settling in nicely into OU really got me thinking about some of the others.
Because Weather Ball Zapdos is the best Lando counter to exist on compmon RAAAAAAAAH
Lando-T is the embodiment of the phrase "Today I will remind them."
Lando T helped me win my first OU battle as of typing this lol
It's got a great offensive typing with a fantastic offensive STAB move but only with that STAB move. (Except Z-Fly in gen 7)
It's got a great defensive typing and fantastic ability that allows it to check many threats in the meta. But with key weaknesses to ice and water and no recovery move.
Landorus just does things.
Lando-T has counterplay in OU.
I don’t mind seeing Lando-T in Pokémon showdown, but it gets boring constantly seeing it. I have weekly battles with my friend using non legendary/mythical Pokémon. So I like to test my teams in showdown. After a while you start to see the same Pokémon all the time. I like the challenge, but it’s more fun when you see a new team/strategy.
Landorus is literally just that high school bully whose 'teasing' borders on assault, but the teachers decided to ignore for some reason.
Pretty sure that's keldeo. I'd say Lando-T is more akin to a teacher breaking up fights between students, and if he can't keep them under control, they go to detention (ubers)
@@emmetstanevich2121 Ah, I get it. So Landorus is literally just that high school teach who borderline assaults the students, but that the staff has decided to ignore due to seniority.
Its the same reason why Tinkaton isnt banned in early gen 9 UU, Snorlax in gen 1 and 2 OU (as stated in this video), Nidoqueen in Gen 2 UU, Ttar in Gen 3 OU, Venusaur in gen 4 UU, so on and so forth. Versatile, good, but never too broken. Each and every mon that centralises the metagame doesnt break the metagame, but holds them together. And without this mon, the metagame funnily becomes even worse, and suddenly a certain style might become overbearing.
I'm wondering, how good was Poliwag?
I started playing competitive on showdown in gen 5. Most of my memories involve me getting destroyed by lando and terrakion
Feel like you summed it up with "teambuilding is hard" lol
We used to have monthly in person out tournaments in west-germany a few years ago and funnily enough I am pretty confident to say that my decision to play offensive SD flynium z lando is what carried me to 3rd place
Lando T is like Rotom W. It's a glue mon mostly.
Let Kellen speak!
Once you really starts to understand how the singles meta works you realize that landorus t holds the meta together
What's the name of the first song that plays?
Like the Calrissian. Suave with a cape and impossible to get rid of.
Suppose there were 6 Pokémon with high usage like Lando-T (as much as 70%). They are not broken or overwhelming, just very good. For the sake of argument, suppose they have great synergy together, and you see all 6 on the same team as much as 20% of the time. Would you not ban any of them for the same reasons you wouldn’t ban lando-t? Or would you ban one or all of them due to staleness reasons?
Lando-T is in a pretty strange spot. It’s too good to not drop off but is somehow not too good to be allowed in OU
i thought this is false swipe gaming, so why does bkc do most of the talk during the last videos?
please what is the names of the songs used in the video?
One reason: literally any ice type move
Forget lando, why wasn’t lele banned in gen 8 😭 that shi was so op
Because Melm stayed in the tier and it on itself was a stupid mon
Yeah lele was broken af
I always thought GameFreak would make a fast SpA ice mon or maybe even break ground for a priority SpA ice move just for LandoT counter play but it never happened. Well they exist now, but always was hoping for something like that in the 2015ish era.
A fast SpA Ice type doesn't mean all that much, you can always switch out. That's not how you would reduce the viability of Lando-T, we've always had things that could outspeed and OHKO Lando-T
I agree. There are things that could one hit Lando, but it would be a painful coin flip bc he can do some much: either you make a hard read or it can u-turn, We've been finding ways around Lando for years, but just always thought ONE ice type would have come along that would truly make it shake in it's boots@@hppern3971
I think the reason Lando isn’t like the other mons that got moved to Ubers is because the for the others, if you didn’t take those mons, you were throwing. There is no creativity, you either brought them or you lose.
However, if you did not bring a Landorus into your team, then as long as you filled enough roles you should still be good to go, even take on Lando-T if you play your cards right.
Unpopular opinion, i don't believe usage determines if a pokemon is good or not. It just means people like it. You can like something regardless of how good it is. To sum up, popularity poll doesnt equate to strength. Just gives a video game community an excuse to spam jargon terms and acronyms that no one understands outside the circle.
Seems accurate as many ppl think Lando should be banned just bc of its high usage, and usage has led to some Pokémon not falling in tiers when they probably should
I mean, the tier is literally called "OverUsed." It's pretty explicitly meant to be the tier for pokemon that are used "too much," hence why bans aren't due to usage alone (sure, a banworthy pokemon will probably have high usage, but that's not why they get banned.)
If u need a topic to discuss:
What would change overall, if there wasnt a team preview like in gen 5 & onwards?
Zoroark would definitely be banned, lol
god forbid you run into a Hisuian Zoroark too
(4:19) I guess overwhelming defense is more bearable than overwhelming offense. I guess even the best defenses in Pokémon can be pried open.
Love when they say gliscor
How to counter landorus: Throw him a singular ice cube
Now he ded
ice punch mega medicham i think doesnt KO a lando-t with max phys def
Lando T looks like a Flying Tiger
i do wonder slightly what the metagame would look like if you just banned lando-T anyway but it'd probably just become "okay well now we need to ban the replacement,and the thing after that,and now it's just so much harder to teambuild for without it being really any better why did we do this again"
it might be more that the things Lando-T do so well need to be de-emphasized somehow, but that's probably hard to do.
Besides it sounds like outside of some eye-rolling about variety nobody's really all that pressed about it anyway.
Simple answer: overpowered things generally don't have reliable checks. Anything with Ice type coverage is a Landorus check, and most things want Ice type coverage anyway. Even if you don't have that, it's still possible to wear him down with hazards and chip.
Eh, that's a sorry reason, it might be quad weak to ice, but that doesn't mean it's a valid enough "check" when ice using mons are usually fairly predictable
Also while lando is just generally good with key matchups it is rarely frustrating to face unlike say Gen 8 Toxapex, which is borderline immortal and tends to slow the game down to a crawl, even if it is beatable or say evasion strategies, where you feel unable to do anything because you got unlucky once early in the game and after that just can’t land your hits.
As annoying as it is to see it everywhere, Lando is usually a pretty fair fight and losing to it usually means losing the game of skill that is Pokémon
PLEASE stop saying "oh yeah it's because it's 4x weak to ice". That's not a reason to not ban anything AT ALL. Landorus-T just doesn't force you into anything drastic in the team builder or battle, thus it's not broken.
Early gen8 pex maybe, but post dlc gen8 pex wasn't even especially great. It was good, but it faced great competition from other bulky waters.
@@TheBestFormOfHumorYour opinion, m8.
Counterpoint: It's very ugly and I don't wanna look at it.
This channel could use some VGC videos
Landorus T is a pizza shop every local needs one
Next video: Why great tusk is the new lando t
5:54 Gliscor. The poor Man's Landorus? or his rival?
Rival,gliscor has high usage rate like lando
Thank you Genie of Healthy Meta.
so you are saying that thundi and landi are cool again? Neat!
Neat
Landorus-T unironically T-poses on other mons
Next video: Why Landorus-I IS banned from OU
Follow up vid idea: why landorus-I IS banned (and has been every gen)
because after hazards, it drops Ferrothorn with Focus Blast, drops SpDef Toxapex with Earth Power, drops Lando-T with Hidden Power Ice, can do all three of those *with the same set* AND still has room left in its moveset to add Rock Polish as its fourth move so that it can also clean up your weakened team later - once again, with the same set.
Yeah ... fun poke to play against. :/
I have a fun theorem since you did this. Why power creep isnt everything however you don't name it after just a certain pokemon Lando T, has been around, Dragonite has been around, TTAR before the fall has been around.
The odd generation theorem. 1 3 5 7 9 have some of the strongest mons ever who see play even to this day. Then you could do a follow up. Why mechanics are some part everything the even generation theorem.
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i cannot take a video seriously when it starts out with scizor being called scissor
This discussion sounds pretty much identical to brawl metaknight ban arguments if we swap out the characters/pokemon. Basically, the people that use landorus think he’s pretty chill (so most players), and it’s assumed that the meta without landorus would be significantly more degenerate
Brawl meta knight was broken and a lot of people wanted this character to be banned but lando was never broken he was perfect for one specific thing being a really good stealth rock user and one of the best pivot in the game