Brexit vs Scottish independence - BBC Newsnight
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- Harry and Peter are young and Scottish, but their similarities end there.
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Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said Scotland is being dragged out of the EU against its will and has floated the possibility of a second independence referendum after Brexit.
But is there any appetite for another referendum on Scottish independence?
Newsnight brings together two voters from opposite ends of the political spectrum to see if they can can convince each other to see things differently.
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I'm working with a Scottish chap here in Ireland that voted remain in the independence vote and out in brexit and complains about immigration you couldn't make this up wtf
He is an expat. Immigrants are those who steal English People's job and at the same time they are on the dole
He’s probably not complaining about working migrants, but the load of shite that come to the UK to do absolutely nothing
Rangers fan, perchance?
Expats are immigrant. It's just an made up word by the brits.
@@Daone24 What a a load ay shite, lad.
Great interview. The guy on the right hand of the screen kind of made the point of why we should vote yes with out realising tho. He said something along the lines of "we vote as the UK so it doesn't really matter which way we vote in Scotland", which is precisely the problem and the reason why I vote yes.
I also said that the best way for Scotland to gain independence is for us to allow Brexit to tale its toll, and then make up our minds. They didn't include this in the final edit tho.
Peter Campbell ah that’s a shame. I do agree with you on that
Exactly. The hypocrisy is fucking overwhelming from Brexiters. A whole country of 5 million people being told what to do by the larger nation in the south. It's the exact fucking reason I hate this union, our vote doesn't matter.
@crusher bubber Who will bail England out when the banks fuck everyone again? Dont pretend that it was only Scotland.
we will be fine with our oil ,whiskey and fresh water that we will sell ,and the rent money for the nukes that we keep until engerlland build a place to keep them.
2 no voters 😂👍 Good old BBC impartiality.
Harry is a yes voter, I am a no voter. Harry is a remainer, I am a Brexiteer. For once the BBC actually was impartial.
@@petercampbell8987 "I don't agree with it in most circumstances."
@@xtraspecialmango "In 2014 I voted to leave the UK"
@@petercampbell8987 what are most circumstances?
No sure what polls you've been looking at, BBC but they certainly ain't the ones the public have been polling on.
Support the independence of Scotland, Northern Ireland and don't be slaves of England. Brave heart!!! Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!
@@mark39ful on what day is that not infinetly better.
Agreed free England now
cooper cooper you won’t be free how would you be free if you joined the EU You silly people the EU will own you next
And Wales too
If want to leave then why joined at first
Scotland join uk because they run out of cash
2:47
welcome to the entire point of independence
UK?
England decide...... Scotland and Ireland suffers :
A classic example of the relationship between Masters and servants!
How has Scotland suffered under England.
True man, there is no union, just england ruling, Scotland is englnd colony
@@coreymesham-pritchard1988 Go look it up yourself. There is too much to list. The Brexit vote in itself proves how stupid this union is, Scotland voted remain yet we are forced to leave because of English votes?
@@hiddenknowledge2012 Haha, you cant even tell me one.
@@coreymesham-pritchard1988 He did. It's in his comment. Right there. Anyways, here are some reasons why leaving the UK would be beneficial for Scotland, each of these also counts as a way we're currently suffering as we cannot truly prosper. Votes that better reflect the Scottish people. In countless votes such as the 2016 EU referendum Scotland as a nation voted against Brexit yet we were given it anyway. Scotland has the means to become one of the wealthiest countries. Recent statistics show that Scotland has the highest tax contribution in the UK. We also give away most of our oil to England and we spent millions a year on trident, something that has no purpose in this modern day. Control over reserved powers. In 1997 when the referendum for Scottish devolution went through we gained the first amount of control over our country in hundreds of years and even then it isn't full control. Fuck, we've only had our own parliament for 20 years now. We would get control over our own welfare system. This is incredibly important as over a million people in Scotland are living in poverty. That's 1/5 of our entire country. Do you understand how crazy that is? We're wasting money on Englands nuclear toys while Scottish people are starving on the streets. Going back to our North Sea oil, all tax money from our oil is going straight to the UK's pocket. If we're not in the UK then we won't have to follow the US into Iran. Basically, any illegal war that happens such as what happened in Iraq could potentially happen again and with tensions rising with Iran it's becoming a possibility. Control over immigration laws. This one is also quite important, a lot of foreign workers are being denied access to Scotland because of the UK's immigration laws that we have no real say in. It also means we can allow in more Syrian refugees and other refugees who are fleeing from really shitty situations. Bringing in more migrants will balance the workflow with elderly people, different from popular belief, immigration is actually a good thing and will help our nation thrive. Lastly, we would still have good relations with the rest of the UK. They are our nearest neighbors and it would be as it is now but on a more equal basis.
Totally support scotland do.what is.good.for this land.
Yeah hope they go independence, So we Brits, don't have to pay for Scotland to have free school meals, free NHS because of us, They lose our Sterling and switch to Euros like Republic of Ireland, And pay us back every penny we been given them, Scotts won't like that 😂😂
Leaving the UK does not make you independent that’s for sure the EU would command you idiots
Peach Heard diversity quota for Scotland would be a catastrophe only4 1/2 million Scott’s we’d be over run with immigrants in 10years
Peach Heard fuck off
@@Jack-bv2hi Bro you must be deluded and hating the fact, That we tax payers are paying for your children to have free school meals, and Nhs, Scotland will be in big debt if you leave us, I ain't wrong, You think the British prime minister gonna let you leave without paying them back? That everything that you owe?? 😂🤣
Polls say no significant shift in opinion? Where can I fill oot one of these polls? Cause I've had a massive change of opinion of the English.
We're great aren't we
@@tristman8413 Oh fook aye, Ah loue th' sassenach, cuppa, crumpets, th' queen 'n' th' law that means greg's cannae sell het pies,
@@SorryIJustAteYourDog I know right!?
To be fair, they are the same as they ever were. If nothing else, they're consistent.
Freeeeeeddddooooommm!!
Ahah New update on yer polls...Theres a 65% to leave the U.K lets go!!!
We all wish you would hurry up and leave!!!!!! You lot are the biggest joke
@@frolicwitme me too... the english are a joke...I'm from Scotland i voted remain but i know if the u.k leave then scotland will gain independence and northern ireland will unify with the republic so it's all fun and games for me😈
@@imme4810 Scotland wouldn't survive without the UK. You get the NHS, free prescription medications, and free university fees. And, you want to keep the Pound. You wouldn't survive as a nation without England. And, btw, dont blame England, because it was a Scottish king who unified England and Scotland.
@@coreymesham-pritchard1988 well you must feel stupid because The tories are planning on getting rid of the NHS...Scotland wants to keep the NHS or even create their own free health care system....funny you English keep telling us that we need you....tf mate it's yous that need us....Resources/economy/Oil....it's you that need us. No wonder ye don't wanna let us go.
@@imme4810 If we need you more than you need us, why did you vote to remain by a significant proportion?
I am Aussie of Scottish ancestry (1850's), Irish and Northern Irish heritage (1840)'s and Endlands Heritage (1816 - 1830s)...convicts and free settlers.
The reality is you are a Island nation. England and Scotland will always need a trading relationship with Europe whether it is in the EU or not.
Scottish Independence is a big hill to climb...being a fully indepent country is possible, but then you need to define your trade relationship with Great Britian (England, Wales and Northern Ireland), who will be outside of the European Union, and currently counts for about 60% of Scotland's trade.
What are you then going to do with the Scottish/English border...have a hard boarder? Assuming Scottland rejoins the European Union?
Would an independent Scotland become a Republic with it's own Scottish Head of State? Or remain a Consitutional Monachy as it is now, eith the Scottish and English Crowns merging about 312 years ago.
Australian still have the Queen as the Queen of Australia...for the time being. We had a failed referend on the matter 20 years ago.
Indyref2 may happen but do not be too surprised if the endvresuot is the same.
Finally the UK outside he RlRlEU dogs have some benefitsctothe people of Scottland, particularly farmers and fishermen.
Northern Ireland didn't exist in the 1840's. It was called Ireland.
When white English majority disappears from Australia the newcomer Asian people will think it over again whether they want to feed a white supremacist royal family in England 1000s of kilometers far that have no real connection to the country.
Baltic states used to be member states of the Soviet Union and somehow they managed their own separation. They all are in the eurozone and thriving economies
I don't see the border as a big problem for Scots. They can always rebuild Hadrians wall to keep the cunts out.
Somehow every other country in the world manage to do this.
In an independent Scotland the Scottish people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not be governed by the government that another country voted for.
You would have to follow laws, rules and regulations created by Brussels, without any say over your future. You'll also have to pay your own way.
Scotland has its own government that it voted for and 30% of scots voted for the current conservative government
The half of Scotland voted for Tories and Labour...The SNP lost seats and support....A great majority in Scotland wants to stay in UK yet
@@craig581 no they'd follow rules and laws negotiated along with other countries in the EU. This is the bit brexiteers miss.
@@craig581 as an independent nation Scotland would be on the EU table and initiate and shape the laws, same as the UK had been doing in the last 45 years.
I'm wondering when we in England are gonna have a referendum on our independence? Because, ya know, had England voted to leave the UK, then we wouldn't be in the pickle, because England (and Wales) would be out and Scotland would be in their beloved EU. Simples. Time for a referendum on English independence?!
As a scotsman that wants to remain in the UK i don't blame you tbh don't tar us all with the same brush though majority want to remain as 2014 proved 👌🇬🇧
And Scotland and wales will never be in the EU just ask Spain and there veto try telling jimmy kranckie up here that the cow btw i mean sturgeon Google crankie it'll make u laugh anyway much love my English friend 🙂🇬🇧
@@andyf7973 I think we should stay together, i was merely playing with the irony.
@@andyf7973 Well said my friend.
Andy F Spain... Which has repeatedly stated it has no problem with Scotland joining the EU
43% of the Scottish electorate voted to leave the UK.
The vast majority of us were under the age of 55, and you don't need a weather man to tell you which way that wind is blowing.
That's a bit of context for the English users in the comment section who might get the impression that Scottish independence is unpopular or unlikely to happen.
Independence is inevitable whether we model our dealings with the EU on the Norwegian model or the Danish model.
Scottish independence is inevitable.
@Matt S
Then forget we even exist, Matthew.
We're certainly not thinking about right-wing Americans who can't find Denmark on a map.
@Matt S
Every word in that comment SCREAMS right-wing yank.
You're arrogantly wrong and it defines your demographic.
Firstly Scotland 🏴 is a country in a political and monarchy union not a state get your facts right. As for the economy and the eu not wanting us is quite frankly laughable.renewable energy for a start is booming we produced 2years supply for every house hold every year and need to sell the excess energy, currently going to England but as I type a new power line is being made to Norway for Europe. Funded my the eu so why would they not want Scotland 🏴
Jason Gunn-Davis you will never be independent if you leave the UK the EU will take over How stupid can you get
@@andyf7973 love our Scottish neighbours 😘
The fact that the english government is 100% in charge of the main stream media in Scotland speaks volumes. The full might of the establishment was against Scotland in 2014 and to get so close 55-45 was impressive. Had the scottish referendum followed the same rules as the brexit referendum then Scotland would be independent.
The “once in a generation” remark has no more force than “die in a ditch”. It is not contained in any official document, and appears in neither the Edinburgh Agreement nor the Smith Commission report.
But the SNP kept saying it. And now it has backfired on them.
@@kevinlongman007 What was that phrase I kept hearing..... oh yeah “the easiest deal ever made”
@@stevenmcalister826 Well i never believed that anymore than i believed the £350 million more each week for the NHS if we left the EU. But the SNP themselves did say that it was a once in a generation vote.
@@kevinlongman007 They may have said that, but it’s not written anywhere.
Peter is a legend
can i just point out, that when Scotland had their referendum, the leave campaign wanted total independence from the UK ... ... except they wanted to keep the pounds, sterling currency and also stay as part of the British Armed Forces!!.
And they wanted open borders with England and free movement. LOL
Annnd their whole economy is largely based on oil which will be a thing of the past as it'll be worthless in the future and its running out in Scotland. Plus their NHS without correct funding will collapse due to their ageing population so yikes cmon Scotland we got a good brexit deal and the EU is starting to get jealous as said by a Finnish MEP so let's keep the gang together
@@joecoe8452 “We got a good deal” mhm, sure you did. You got us a deal so we can be worse off than we were.
You also sold NI down the river.
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious how so many English people tell us to leave but then don’t let us
If the ENGLISH were given a day you would get you wish,then build Hadrian wall up.carry on and see if you get in the failing eu.no barnet ,no currency
"Sovereignty, Self-determination and Freedom from foreign powers" ~ except for the Irish or Scots?
The fundamental hypocrisy of the Brexiteers.
If only there was some vote that took place for the Scots.
Brexiteers call eveyone ''traitors'' but they don't realize that here in Europe, they are seen as the real traitors that want to destroy our European Unity and lives ! They betrayed their European partners and allies !
@@bca-biciclindcuaxel7527 We will be better off without the UK in the long run.
@Miguel Melchior Example: Scoland does not want Brexit, but it will get it XD Unless the Scots finally grow some balls and take their country in their own hands. It is a chance to make history here. There used to be wars for independence, and the Scots gave it up with a peaceful referendum answer.
The obvious hypocrisy of the SNP is that they don't want their laws made in Westminster, and as soon as they're independent, they would give that sovereignty away to Brussels. They want their own country to be free, just to join a supranational state that wants an EU army.
Chinese people support Scottish independence
Lmao, free Hong Kong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
hhhhha 你要笑死我了 不过支持
The funny thing is they would never be independent because the EU will take over 😂
@@mark39ful Exactly. Scotland is the EUs Hong Kong.
TAIWAN #1
1:17 it was said once and never said again. unionists cant keep using this argument
but they do and they will i mean they still say it today its actually laughable when scotland joined the union which scotland can leave when wants and it will they cant hold us in to this union they have no rights to do that if the scottish people vote the future for scotland its our rightful vote
You mean to say that Scotland only had 1 referendum? And everyone agreed with the result? No demands for another vote? Well well well. Democracy can work...
It’s a beautiful landscape
I can't wait for this day
*52%* _is for Scottish independence outright now 2019._
*+ 1 out of 5 Scottish that voted to remain in the UK last time,...now have come to their sence's and will vote to leave the UK and join the EU.*
That's the reality you'll face before 2021.
Please leave already. We’re sick of your whining
@@don-jx2xn Stop pretending your Scottish,...i told you that before,...6 month's ago Yank.
52% isn't exactly a massive majority is it. Same as the Brexit vote which is considered not decisive enough. All it means is Scotland split down the middle, more fighting, more bitterness. Do you really want more years of that? Has Brexit taught you nothing?
@@mogznwaz *+1 out of 5 Scottish that voted to remain in the UK last time, now have come to their sense's and will vote to leave the UK and join the EU.*
You ignored that very important part untop of the already very high figure of 52% m8, hence i reminded you of that super important fact again.
Nice to feature Berwick on Tweed there...
Just remember all you Scotts that GB has a debt of 1.78 trillion and you are part of it. So when you gain independence don't forget to pay your bills before you go. When you move house, your bills don't just vanish.
Did Rep of Ireland pay any 'debts' when they left? Scottish oil revenues returned? Since Scotland can't borrow it stands that they have no debts. There! Fixed it for you.
Whatever might be the opinion of either camp, it seems Scotland's interests and choices are continuously thwarted by a political party that seeks to serve their own interests. The real question should be, do Scottish residents wish an independent voice? Or remain servants to a system past its sell by date?
@stephen Krik all but in name, they cannot conduct the wishes of the people without the say so of Westminster. Some privilege.
@stephen Krik democracy must be based on truths, facts, and kept promises. Since neither were honoured in both referenda, which should the result? defending the contrary seems difficult to understand. Just my opinion as an outside observer, don't actually live in the UK.
True story all the SNP Government bang on about is independence yet my son's schools are struggling to stay open fucking disgrace of a party and the brainwashed idiots that vote them in are just as bad.
@@andyf7973
You can't have universal healthcare, universal education and mitigate the Conservatives vandalism of the welfare state without Danish levels of income tax, VAT, and corporation tax.
VAT and corporation tax are reserved to the British parliament, Andrew.
@@NuclearHaggis what does that have to do with the budget the SNP dishes out to council's for school's? I suppose going by you're fancy hyphenated name you've never been to a council run school never mind the snobs will do ok if they vote for independence love to know where our money is coming from now the north sea oil and gas field's are practically useless 🤔
Scotland was a European nation before it was a British one. I support Scotland becoming independent (and staying in the EU), not for any pernicious, nationalistic reasons but because I see Scotland inside the UK as being a position of managed decline. Westminster quite frankly couldn't care less what happens to Scotland. Why should they? We are a tiny proportion of their problems - their major constituency is the south of England, which is totally different to Scotland. It has different problems which required different solutions. To be honest, when you look at what the UK is currently reduced to with a barely functioning government and shambolic political system - an incompetent global laughing stock, you've really got to wonder how Scotland would do much worse. I very much respect Scotland's ties with England, Wales and NI mainly for historical sentimental reasons - but Scotland and England (and Wales and NI), we need to realise we don't have a lot in common any more politically or, increasingly, economically. Historical sentimentality does not pay the bills and neither does it make up for the huge political gulf that lies between Scotland and the rest of the UK. Let's just part ways as close family. Sharing the same island, trading with each other without need to share the same house and bank account.
Because Jean claude junker cares about Scotland?
@@LolLol-ch7sl lol
Our Union of over 300 years makes us all British and proud to be British, I think it's disgusting and despicable that anyone would want to break up our great Union, we fought wars together, we achieved great thing together, you will always someone trying to find some grievance and reason to be disgruntled about nothing. The SNP were always a wasted vote and they still are. We said NO we meant it!!
Really? 🤔 pretty sure the EU wasn't invented until after ww2 and pretty sure Scotland was in the union since the 1700's 🤣🤣 fucking idiot...
Queenie XRP Scotlands oldest ally is the French, we fought wars with them. As the commenter said, historical sentiment doesn't efficiently run a country
All polls this year show the Scottish people want Independence
12/4/20 Opinium found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
25/5/20 YouGov found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
4/6/20 Opinium found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
21/6/20 Panelbase found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
12/8/20 YouGov found that 53 per cent of people would vote Yes
19/8/20 Savanta ComRes found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
19/8/20 Panelbase found that 55 per cent of people would vote Yes
02/9/20 Panelbase found that 63 per cent of people would vote Yes
7/9/20 Survation found that 53 per cent of people would vote Yes
20/9/20 HeraldScotland found that 72 per cent of people would vote Yes
22/9/20 IpsosMORI found that 60 per cent of people would vote Yes
26/9/20 Glasgow Herald found that 68 per cent of people would vote Yes
11/10/20 Survation found that 64 per cent of people would vote Yes
14/10/20 IpsosMORI found that 58 per cent of people would vote Yes
30/10/20 JL Partners found that 56 per cent of people would vote Yes
6/11/20 Survation found that 54 per cent of people would vote Yes
16/11/20 Panelbase found that 56 per cent of people would vote Yes
its cancer vs cancer. just kill me now.
London panic continues.
How can any proud and decent Scot not vote for independence? Enough of foreign powers ruling us, and by that I mean Westminster.
Yet you're happy to be ruled by Brussels. That's not independence.
How can any proud highlander be happy with those in Holyrood ruling them?
Do not let nicolas sturgeon lie to you. If you leave the UK, it will take scotland 10 years to join EU
And Scotland's biggest trading partner is......
And England's exports are ?
Gruegy And thanks to the UK Single Market, we cant tax those goods to the UK; we lose our £4bn quarterly trade balance surplus and take on a share of the UK’s deficit of £12bn per capita resulting in a net loss of £64bn in taxable income, economic growth and investment credit every single year - just by remaining within the UK. It genuinely would be far better to trade with the UK without being a member of the UK because it’s a deal that is entirely detrimental to us.
@@sicgc7658 If my understanding is correct, you are saying that by leaving the UK you can tax your goods to England, Wales and NI? Does this imply to the EU also which you wish to be a member state of? I thought that the EU was all about free movement of goods on a tariff free basis.
Gruegy There are no fixed tariffs within the UK nor EU single market, nor are there duty tariffs. This isn’t what is being discussed here. Profits and income made off of exports are a part of taxable income, the same profits from balance of trade. These can fall under several different forms depending on whether it’s corporate, private, personal, individual etc. This is the tax I’m talking about. It’s currently an unrequited market in the UK. Goods leaving or entering England, even if indirectly from the other 3 nations (inc. crown dependencies), is taxed as an English good, when leaving an English port or cross-border. However, imports from the rUK are do not fall under taxable income, meaning the other nations lose out on tax profit. This allows England to generate income whilst trying to centralise markets into a trade centre (in this case London) and deter companies from expanding into Scotland, Wales nor Northern Ireland, and encourages tax evasion in the dependencies. This is actually a bad thing for many of working class in England as they lose the benefit of close trade and it can harm small and medium sized company profits across different nations in the UK - however, it’s entirely detrimental and costs billions for us in Scotland, not just the working class.
The UK is fundamentally broken, including many poorer individuals south of the border, however I welcome anyone in England, Wales or NI who wishes to remain in the EU or in general live here. Going independent won’t make us enemies, we’ll remain neighbours and best friends - and that’s a good thing!
@@sicgc7658 Thank you for your clarification. Much appreciated. I do disagree with you; tax is by the UK and not England. How the tax is divided within the UK is another matter and I see the point that you are trying to make. I would be grateful if you could provide a breakdown or link of your earlier figures to peruse through.
I will not vote idependance again its not independent being governed by the EU.
Another English kipper pretending to be a Scot...
@Tailend Charlie Take the hint and stop trying to dictate to other countries. You no longer rule anything. You can't even rule yourselves.
@Tailend Charlie I feel you are being dictated by a bad hair day.
@Tailend Charlie Your antiScottish blowing is the only wind around here.
London is Brussels to the Scots and the Irish. You are hypocrites.
Kippers are krazy 🤪.
Well said Nancy!!
I live in Scotland, I voted out of the EU. Scotland wont ever leave the UK, if they did just imagine the border issues :)
Funny...now that Breixteers seem to give a shit about Borders...not so much in NI though...
I'm English, I grew up in Scotland but I now live in London. So if anything I have a better view of this whole situation than most people. The whole argument for Scottish Independence is just rubbish. Back in 2014 the Yes campaign said that the North sea oil would be one of the biggest sources of income. However the price of oil has since collapsed, the price to gather oil in the UK has skyrocketed and there is hardly any left. Which clearly shows their severe lack of foresight. So if Nicola Sturgeon wants to divide an already divided nation once again then I think she it's only fair that she faces some severe consequences. I've always considered the SNP to be the political equivalent of a spoilt child. They throw all their toys out the pram when they don't get their way, they keep on dreaming of a future without other people helping them and they have no consideration for their closest friends and family.
I've always referred to Scottish independence as operation out of the frying pan...into the fire and I still do
There won't be a UK soon in any case Once NI leaves, and it will, no more UK!
@Frankly Frank what is independence? Leave the UK and stay in the EU isn't independence.
@@angiegriffiths8873 The world revolves around interdependence
With oil not at $120 a barrel yet and the loss of Barnett Scotland will be in an interesting economic situation.
British Petrolium is hardly a 100% Scottish company?
You know takings are only £1billion, Scotland needs £60billion a year - the oil thing is pretty irrelevant
One word renewable
@@darrensmith1522 Renewable what?
I dont understand the scottish independence. Its economic, political suicide because by doing that it could lead to a hard border between Scotland main trading partner and the European Union will not want Scotland to be part of it due to being seen as a liability rather than an asset.
Because your not Scottish and your not being told what to do by an English majority government and voter base.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 by Scotland still gets the best deal economically and politically
Scotland has oil. England doesnt.
Should it not be the BBC and the rest of the MSM vs Brexit ?
I hope Scotland becames independant! Love from India
The Scottish government passed the Referendum Bill...10/02/2022 and has said the Indyref2 will be at the end of 2023.
This is a bit disingenuous because it makes it look like opinions are split 50/50 this way when they definitely are not. The only proof you need is to go out and talk to people. No/leave voters are very rare. Yes/remain aren't and no/remain aren't. It's that last group that are changing their minds in droves to YES!
I support the Scottish independence, from Italy
You support Scottish independence but not UK independence from the EU. Hypocrite.
mogznwaz
That’s not even hypocrisy. What the fuck are you on about?
I vote for independence for all EU countries
The only thing they have in common are blue eyes.
And the Scottish accent
The BBC could not get any worse at covering this issue. This crap is on a level with Glenda Slagg, the licence fee has to go.
If you leave the UK it’s not independence because then you will have the EU telling you idiots what to do 😂
Exactly.
That door’s a bit of a fire hazard...
stewee2011 Thank you for this comment completely relevant to the video.
In that clip I hit a table opening the door. We did a retake because it looked so bad. Yet it made the final edit lol.
Peter Campbell 😆
Fair point raised here. Polar opposites; can still talk on an open platform.
Ultimately, though you may be defined by your position. We gave to follow democracy.
And what is democracy?
@@petersebok9284 democracy comes from Greek, demos and kratia (power of the people). It's basically a community where there's equality and everyone has free speech
37% of the electorate voting leave is not a majority
52% voted leave. Otherwise known as a majority.
@WilliamTheConquerer that's how democracy works. The side who gets the most votes wins, no matter how slight.
If you would like an example of a landslide, how does the Tory majority of the recent election sound?
As a Norwegian can we adopt!
XD XD XD NO! What you can and should do is become even better trade partners, Scotland would appreciate that.
I don't have any personal objects on my phone cover. Good sign as I back remain too
I’d be absolutely gutted if Scotland split from the union the history our peoples share is unparalleled, regardless of the fighting hundreds of years ago I see Scots as a blood brothers in arms, the sacrifices made by our ancestors to create a union that went on to dominate the world.
Love live Scotland.
Long live the United Kingdom.
Long live the Empire.
dominate may not be accurate parasitic, britain plundered and pillaged the world including scotland and is still doing so, it is our right for self determination and our right as i believe will now come our independence, do not let the media cloud your view we do not hate the english people we hate westminster and all it stands for, we want the right to make our own decisions, as england turns ever more right wing scotland are choosing a different path, be free to make that choice, the european elections our entire map turned yellow englands turned blue that should be enough to show people how different we are but as usual westminster takes all our decisions for us. Do not be gutted we will still be here, your neighbours your friends your allies, but free and happier
@@allybaba37 SNP want to part away from the United Kingdom but remain a part of the EU what an oxymoron, Brussels would make your laws then. The scots have been sold a false dream of freedom & patriotism, Nicola Sturgeon has admitted she wishes she could change her party’s name because she doesn't believe in Scottish nationalism. You would still be under the British Monarchy as well if you left as a dominion with the monarch as the head of state, hardly free.
How could you downplay our nations collectively controlled 25% of the worlds landmass under our union banner it was a great achievement its hardly fair to judge the actions of the empire under modern morality it was a different time where EVERY nation was taking advantage of everyone by any means necessary to get a leg up economically.
Regardless I respect your opinion on the matter, god bless Scotland.
Fuck the crown and fuck the empire. The time is over for outdated monarchies and an English majority government. You can shout about our past and history all you want but that doesn't change anything, the government is still corrupt and Scotland's vote still means nothing. if you cared that much about Scotland then you would be fine with full devolution of powers in a true democracy.
Yes, I do find it weird that all our history and shared blood and our home on this little island would mean less to the Scots than being in the bureaucratic EU. The English are currently the target of hate but sooner or later Brussels will be. Some Scots just love to whinge. But that's ok we love you anyway 😘
@Jimmy Mac Say the Scots obsessed with their tribal tartans
Boris Johnson’s place in history is already assured. Less clear is what the British prime minister will be remembered for. At first it looked like Brexit; more recently he seemed set to be the pandemic premier. But this week, as he celebrates his first year in office, a new fear is that he might be known as the leader who lost the Union as polls are now constantly above 55% for Independence.
'I've got a swan on the outside because I'm calm on the outside...
...and I'm fucking mental on the inside'
When she started quizzing me on my tattoos I got a bit startled as to why she was so interested. However to call someone 'mental' for possessing a different opinion to yourself brings your own mental state into question.
I voted the exact same as Harry
First of all I am a proud Scot who voted yes in 2014 (as a protest vote tbh). Since and in light of brexit negotiations, I have changed my mind and would vote no. Reasons 1. If you think brexit negotiations are tough, wait til you see any future leaving negotiations with rest of the Union, it would cost scotland dear, all for a great big SNP ego trip. 2. We have a growing number of family ties in England. 3 This is 2019 not 1314 or 1745. 4. EU (germany / France) will not throw money at us to join them. They'll have they're own financial issues, trying to keep the rest together. Then there's the current EU immigration policy (I've no problem with those people already here to work and contribute), potential EU army involving us in disputes we want no part of etc etc. On balance head rules the heart and I am persuaded to say stay in UK, until someone comes up with a bullet proof (economic) arguement to the contrary.
A comment with logic.
But honestly if we left the EU originally it would be the norm by now.
Uncertainty is fucking everything up.
THERE! There's the smart sensible Scot I know and love! Not the rabid English hating nationalist! I knew you still existed 😘
@@mogznwaz there's still a good number of us. It's the noisy SNP element that get the air time.
@@mogznwaz yeah but English hating nationalists still exist😉
🏴#2 inevitable now
You can Thank Boris for that🤣🤣🤣
I wish you all the best in the waves to come😂
Actually I don't,I hope you suffer and squirm as England crumbles as a result of being rasict ignorant arrogant entitled arseholes,karma will be the judge
🏴🇮🇪🏴Will be free of English shackles soon enough.you can't stop the building momentum
@@kryoboy36 You're an asshole. And a racist!
NI right belongs to the Republic. People there are scrambling to get Irish passport. They are voting with their feet.
Say remain wins again, are we going to have a vote on independence in another 4 years? What if Scotland do become independent? Will there be another vote in 4 years since there are still a large number of remainers? And after that? I am truly curious..
I’m from Yorkshire, and I feel a deep affinity with Scottish people. The town I live in, Doncaster, is technically a Scottish town (google it). There’s a deep sadness that the mainstream media ignores Scotland and the voices of its people. Similarly with Wales and N. Ireland. I’m glad that all of the Nations within the U.K have their uniques identity, but these need to be celebrated, not ignored.
Then I'm sure you'll be equally saddened that there are more people in Yorkshire than Scotland, yet Scotland receives more money from the Government, has free university educations and free prescriptions. Scotland is also not ignored as they have their own parliament.
JAMES WHITELEY “Mainstream Media” and they get free tuition because they organise their budget effectively.
@@ryanboshell6124 Scotland gets more government money per head. When things were run by Scottish office it was efficient. Now Scotland has its own parliament things are going downhill
@@ryanboshell6124 the Government doesn't own mainstream media. The BBC operates differently in Scotland.
JAMES WHITELEY I’m making the distinction. I said that “the mainstream media ignores” my original post said nothing about government.
Its OK to be a Scottish nationalist and be proud to be a Scot, rearrange this with English and your a far right fascist. Given enough immigration into Scotland so that its no longer "Scottish" the nationalists tend to change opinion because what they are proud of starts to disappear IMO.
You seem to have came tothat conclusion in your own head? of the first part. Good contribution poigant smiggo hector
Vote UKIP.
@@rogerbennett9641 Roger Bennett Did you see that on side of a bus? and thought a slogan im totally convinced im that convinced im gony become reduced to marketing on the internet for a dodgy pparty that are standing for democratic election to the undemocratic eu as you lot say . they have you marketering them for there election campain for the undemocratic eu simultaneously ., ,if you follow, played you like a garden chimes havnt they. poor roger
@@ScottishRoss27 The only people being played are the powerless EU citizens who still think they live in countries.
@@rogerbennett9641 What country are you from roger ? Are you able to say or is the big bad eu prohibiting you , ukip think uk is one country Even though its 4
starts his question stating no deal is mental, why would you want to cut ties with your closest economic partner.....While wanting to leave the U.K........says it all
Some people seem to have problems with democracy, if they were feeling ignored in Westminster, why did not they vote for independence in 2014?
Because in 2014 we were told the only way to stay in the EU was to vote no to Scottish independence.
Callum McGregor Enthusiast What is your common things with EU? Language? Culture? There is nothing between EU and Scotland in reality while we have been united as great Britain with England and made History and shared language and manu other things , Scottish Independence is crazy is just like a nation who are destroying themselves and their history and oldest currency and more , you see now in Coronavirus crises there is no help between EU nation, EU is based on its own current interest and nothing more , Wake up before we lose everything as Great Britain and have little and weak Scotland and England who always need EU support
OK so if England has limits on EU migration and Scotland remains within the EU, unlimited numbers of European workers will of course be welcome in Scotland with open arms
@@pascal3178 Not if we leave - which is we want to.
Yes they will. Goodbye to Scotland as you know it. Scotland has had relatively little mass immigration compared to England. You won't be happy when Edinburgh is majority Muslim like London is becoming. Although remembering how those Glaswegians dealt with that airport terrorist a few years back - that was fecking AWESOME.
Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland should form the "Celtic Confederation".
Nah mate more of us huns than tims in Scotland thanks...
If Brexit happens the problem for Scotland is the U.K parliament will have sovereignty over the Scottish parliament, Brexit doesn’t go with the previous devolution that happened under Blair. It is also a problem for human rights as parliament can then take them away and they cannot be held to account by the courts anymore.
What a contrast, if UK(ENGLAND) wished to leave [EU]European Union, they can hold referendum and leave as they wished but if Scotland wishes to leave Union of Kingdoms, they are not allowed. Is this demonstratic approach? BY LONDON.
My next door neighbour voted to remain in the EU so his options were to moan and moan about the result or he could accept the democratic result and move on, he now says if we had another referendum he'd vote to leave the EU as his eye's have been opened. He was also a staunch Labour supporter but now says he'd never vote for them again, nor the Tories. He's now a brexiteer. Politics are changing NOT because of brexit, but because Democracy has been blatantly stamped on by the UK politicians. The people have had enough...
I don't believe you.
I'm like your neighbour. As a socialist, I recognise that the only way to achieve my aims are through Brexit. Socialists are tricked into being Remainers by being told that Brexit equals racism. That said, the far left never fell for that. Almost all far-left parties endorsed Leave. I am in the tradition of Tony Benn.
@@YorickReturns Not leaving the EU and all its institutions the Labour party would not be able to implement any changes in trying to nationalise any British companies That is why Corbin has been very quiet on the direction the labour party are going, scared he loses the backing of Momentum if he follows his past stance on EU and scared of losing 5 million leave voters in the north if he declares for remain his only option was to call for another referendum in a so called peoples vote so he cant be blamed for any decision he would have to make
@@bosoerjadi2838 Man just click on the icon, he claims to be a brexiteers but he listen to american confederate music, he is just an idiot looking for attention like the one with the kitty cat and the baseballs. American alt-right trying to make critical mass for europe alt-right because society is cruel with white males that cannot have slaves anymore
@@Archeaon What has music got to do with brexit you plonker? Lol
I remember Nicola telling SNP supporters if they wanted independence then they should vote to remain in the EU. She knew that was the key to another indyref. I have work colleagues that wanted to leave the EU but wanted independence more so voted to remain. The SNP only care about independence for Scotland, they couldn't care less about remaining in the EU, it's just a means to an end.
No
The worst element of this story is that I fear the government are aware that the better the resolution they find to the Irish border question, the more they will facilitate a framework for post brexit Scottish independance. So now their calculus is "Either we risk loosing NI and Scotland, or we fuck both of them up so much they can't even walk away".
I want no deal
The tattooed nerd is no real Scot, but some kind of implanted English conservative.
Nah, he just doesn't follow the status quo like you morons. You want independence from the UK because you want to control your country and your laws even though you want to stay in the EU where your laws are controlled by the EU commission in Brussels. That makes no sense at all.
@@toonlegend4044 It doesn't make sense because it's a moronic mischaracterization of the EU lol. The UK is an anachronism wherein Scotland is not a proper free country. Every country in the EU is a proper free country.
@@TheSpiritOfTheTimes They have the Barnett Formula! They have freed healthcare and free education! That all goes if they leave! Think man! If you believe the EU is a free state, then you are deluded!
@@TheSpiritOfTheTimes No, you're classically misunderstanding the EU. The EU commission is in charge of proposing and accepting new laws that affect all 28, soon to be 27, member states. The European Parliament has no real power in term of creating legislation. Scotland on the other hand has a powerful Scottish parliament that can create it's own legislation. This is to a certain extent of course because you're a member of the UK, however to suggest that you're a fully independent country when inside the EU is simply moronic.
@@craig581So they should be grateful for their vassalage to the English because the munificent English pay for their healthcare and education?
Peter 💪
Here's another thought........If the UK does leave, then where does that leave France? Second fiddle to Germany with no third power in the mix to steady her possible ambitions? Just saying..........
I voted remain at the last Scottish independence referendum. If it came round again I would vote for an independent Scotland. The backslash in middle England to leave has astounded me, and let me see how little I have in common with the average English person. I could explain in great detail, but not in the short comment section here.
And how would you bankroll the economy! That last time around the idiot SNP were going to run the country with another countries currency and use oil to fund the country. SNP went quite when the oil prices dropped like a stone and this country would have ended up like Greece......totally fucked. So I would say we are better as the UK.
I'll be voting to remain 👌 so that's your vote rendered useless
@@trophies1968 Same point as you're making about UK leaving the EU.
@@JC-mv7rw It is a free country. You can vote whichever way you want.
@@trophies1968 Ireland are doing rather well.
I would like to see Scotland out of the UK and the EU.
Scotland doesnt wish to be that independent 😋
Of course you would u yessers are always moaning
Yes, this is true independence.
I respect that choice far more than leaving the UK then signing over your independence to the EU!
Harry is the best
Scotland has no vote in UK with only 5 millions people..you can say 100% or 0% YES or NO - it does not matter you follow English (40millions) vote. How is that fair.
The English will ensure Scottish Independence happens, with their continuing voting for the Tories. The ties that bound have broken, time for us Scots to become an addition to that long list of Jonny Foreigners the English nationalist love to use.
You know at some point there will be a conservative government in holyrood. I don’t want it but it will happen. Being independent won’t mean that Scotland is never ruled by a right wing government
@@gregorarmstrong2478 Have no problem with a Conservative Government in Holyrood if voted by my fellow country men/women after Independence happens. If that's the choice of the people of Scotland so be it, but the Tories will never win in Holyrood without Independence happening they just have nothing to offer us Scots, which is a travesty. The whole point of Independence is to allow the 5.5mil of us to elect a Government that represents us
That Scottish Guy It seemed as though you thought that independence would prevent the conservatives gaining power. Also Scotland is represented in Westminister. There are fewer Scots so therefore there are fewer mps and constituency’s. When Scotland almost entirely voted labour did anyone say we weren’t represented? No because we voted the same way as most of England and Wales.
@@gregorarmstrong2478 EVEL changed everything regarding Scottish representation at Westminister, the Tories broke the model of how it worked before, indeed on the morning of the 19th of September when David Cameron walked out of number 10 and spoke of the need for the voice of England to be heard at Westminister with the introduction of English votes for English laws. Oh yes, Vote labour for a strong voice against the Tories, myself like so many others voted Labour and got a lesson in life, that's one of the reasons Labour party has died in Scotland. Voted 56 SNP MPs and learned another lesson in life regarding UK politics, the sight of both the main parties voting together to deny the stated will of the people of Scotland .
The SNP has less to offer to Scotland....The half of Scotland voted for Tories
That guy is talking crap. We voted to stay and that's it. We voted to leave EU. It not a federal system we voted as one country.....the UK. We aren't cutting links.....has he been sleeping. I voted to leave. No deal the is the hardest option but cleanest option. Take the short term hit and come back stronger.
No the UK is not 'one country' it is since the late 1990s a semi federal nation. With a series of unique constitutional settlements with each constituent region.
Scotland has its own Parliament and Wales and NI have Assemblies. each has the ability to make decisions on issues such as health, education, social welfare, agriculture and transportation that the UK government (seated in Westminster) has no control over outside of imposing budgetary constraints.
Take my home, NI, for example if you lived in 'one country' the law would be same in each region BUT in NI we have special laws - the only armed police force in the UK, no same sex marriage, different public holidays, the special powers act means that serious criminal trials without a jury are the norm not the exception, serious curtailment of freedoms to speech and assembly that most in England would consider anti democratic and our government is a mandatory coalition (when it could be arsed to sit) to name but a few.
So if the Laws in England are not the same as in NI then how can we live in 'one country'?
peter got called bum chin at school
If independence happens what will happen with Balmoral Castle ?
It will be turned into an AIRBnB hahaha No, for reals now, it will continue to belong to the Windsors. Foreigners can own property in Scotland, and that's exactly what they will be: a foreign family who owns property in the country, paying their taxes to the Scottish government!
What a load of absolute crap.
and there is that BBC false equivalency again
Ok they voted to leave , so have another referendum , two questions only again.
Leave WITH a deal
Or
Leave WITHOUT a deal.
That’s fair, and solves the chaps question about no voting for no deal.
So let’s have that second referendum .
Yes I have no problem with a 2nd referendum with those 2 options. It gives us the choice and honours the first referendum too. Democracy is more important than the fecking EU, we MUST leave..
Rangers and Celtic would be better together. There would be efficiency savings in their internal market. Peace and harmony would break out between once rival fans. It would be an economically stronger superclub.
support the independence of Scotland, Northern Ireland
Hu Ludwig You cannot be independent if the EU owns you
Independence of what?
@@ScotsDestroyer XDXD. I wrote like that deliberately.
@@mark39ful U are wrong. U neglect the value of democracy and freedom, which EU doesn't have or give to us.
@@huludwig2486 what?
Independence from who? The UK? EU?
The EU has given us so much and we stand more to lose than gain from leaving EU
@littlebighorn well we will certainly be importing lower quality goods after Brexit as EU has higher standards than most.
Quality of being in EU is good...Not sure what you mean?
@littlebighorn not saying that but USA are getting ready to sell us substandard food ie Chlorine washed chicken and many other foods that doesn't get in through EU regs.
I will always be European regardless of Brexit which probably won't happen when we have a new referendum without xenophobic lies and promised money for NHS. It will be an overwhelming remain
The EU hasn't given us anything. It gives us some of the money back we give to it but decides how we spend it, it helps itself to our fishing waters and creates laws that help German manufacturers and French farmers!!
As ever, good points on both sides. However the reality is that Scotland is the much smaller partner in the UK, dependant on England. If it ever leaves, then I think it will become entirely reliant on the E.U. (headed by Germany then France) Any real gain for the Scottish? I doubt it.
If our ancestors that died from our independence could see us now they would be ashamed and if you voted remain you too should feel ashamed. Brave men gave their lives for something bigger and all we did was spit in their faces. At times like these im ashamed to be Scottish and be associated just by our nationality that we have let this shite happen
Free Scotland! Scotland stay strong!
Wandering Mage Scotland would never be free if they leave the UK because the EU will take over you Muppets
Funny how people are keen for the Scots to have independence but not the UK from the EU 🤔 hypocrites much?
Brexit is the end of UK not eu
That's the outcome I expect, too. That's why Cambridge Analytica were helping it.
Brexit is the start of a glorious future for our Kingdom
Cambridge analitica has nothing to do with ideologie it is taking profit no matter what conditions. Glorious future was maybe 100 years ago that's gone the world has changed u can/ not agree with it but reality will bite u back. Economy is the base country standing on and since 2016 it is gradually shrinking..
Oh no another remainer and there project fear😂
@littlebighorn how can beginning start with breaking everything you stupid idiot u can believe as much as u want in saint boris but facts matters more- economy is suffering. Why US is such a power? Because of economy and it is not no 5 it is no 1 and there are no stupid decitions moving them to no 10 or wtever..and by the way law and justice matters too
Liked the Arabic tattoo 🤣
What do we want?? Scottish independence!!! Why???? To control our own country!!! Now let’s re-join the EU 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👌👌👌👌👌
@boab boab 😂😂😂😂😂 what a pisser - all countries in the EU don’t have to follow EU regulations and pay for membership of the EU 😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a bellend 😂😂😂😂👌👌👌 advance Britannia!!! XXXXX 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
More proof that more tattooes mean less brains.
More proof that you're probably the life & soul of every party.
More proof that people with tatoos have more balls
In what way do I have 'less brains'? Is it simply because I differ in opinion to you? It's quite sad that you can't have a proper discussion about things. Instead of spouting irrelevant nonsense to mask your lack of intelligence.
@@petercampbell8987 you must be one of those tattoed up to the eyeball thugs farage talks about 😂
Tattoos on my arm is not exactly 'up to my eyeballs'. Name something I've done to make me a thug.I'll wait...
Scotland is sort of interesting, as an English man, I hope they get their independence. Ultimately the English would benefit from the divorce, we’d no longer be sponsoring their education system at our expense for example. Scotland is like a bully in a relationship, it just wants to extract the most and give the least. The UK has always been a contributor to the EU budget, and England is by far the biggest share of the UK GDP. I wish Scotland good luck on their independence, but the reality is you’ll be poorer and we’ll benefit.
Jesus you are stupid
Education is devolved for example didnt the bbc tell you matthew? so youd no longer be sponsoring something which you dont sponsor at moment
ScottishRoss oh mate, don’t you realise the Scottish budget is subsidised by the UK tax payer?
Scotland has 8.2% of the UK's population but absorbed 9.3% of the UK's total state spending while its share of tax raised across the UK stood at 7.8%.
Benedict Case no need to bring Jesus in this, how about you develop your argument rather than reducing it to insults ey?
ScottishRoss to put it in perspective, without the UK subsidy, you’ll need to cut government spending by about 15%. That 15% we (England) can put back in our education system. Thankyou for your independence, I’ll be rooting for you guys.
The queen’s 25th, 50th and 60th coronation anniversaries were celebrated with public holidays, street parties across England and flags flying from every lamppost. The year 2007 saw the 300th anniversary of the union of England and Scotland - and this occasion received barely a mention in the British media, illustrating that we are not in a celebrated union - more a marriage of convenience. The Scots have stuck with the union for over 300 years because of the economic benefits it offers. They take full advantage of the Westminster obsession with control (Take back Control etc) which has resulted in benefits such as the Barnett Formula. If the EU could top those benefits, come up with a better deal, the Scots could well exercise their right to self determination, and opt for an affiliation with Brussels rather then London.
@@robinmcewen3286 You're correct in your comments regarding the coronation celebrations - I should have said "across the UK". However, I see no problem in having different governments (whether competing or not) on an island where that island consists of three different nations. The point I'm trying to make is that Scotland IS a nation (not a region like East Anglia or The Midlands) which allows it to use its right to self determination to extract benefits from Westminster in a way that, say, the north of England cannot. Scotland can come and go from any union as it pleases - the Scottish people will decide if and when that happens. Westminster is creaking right now and in danger of presiding over the break up of the UK - if that happens then Brussels may come into play. You say the Scots are not Europeans - maybe you're right, but who's to say that in the future they won't want to become Europeans.
@@robinmcewen3286 The Scots voted to stay in the UK in 2014, then voted to stay in the EU in 2016. They like both institutions because of the economic benefits. Now, against their will, it looks like they are being put in the position of having to choose one or the other. The UK is their biggest trading partner, the EU is the bigger market. The UK would offer the easier transition, the EU arguably more potential for the future. It's a tough call, and the SNP are right to look for an indyref2 so that the Scottish people can decide which way to go - Brussels, London or neither.
I don't share your despondency when it comes to the EU. For sure, the EU has its problems - corruption, unaccountability, financial difficulties, an unpopular immigration policy, the rise of populist movements - the list goes on. But it is not beyond the wit of man to resolve these problems. The EU could also be looked on as a family of nations which have not been at war with each other for 74 years (something of a record), where people are getting on with their lives, trading freely with each other, moving around freely, using largely the same currency and so on. Yes, the EU ain't perfect (not by a long shot) but their present system is far, far better than returning to a divisive past when the odd street riot and over-leveraged banks were the least of Europe's problems. I'd say it is more probable that the EU will outlast the UK.
UK lied to Scotland, the question is no longer are you for Scottish independence that question is long over, the question is are you for democracy - if so then Scottish independence is now the only way
Exactly, 5 million Scots up against 70 million English. How does this government represent democracy when it ignores two whole countries. The union is finished.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 That's why democracy is the tyranny of the majority. In an island with 9 rapists and 1 woman, democracy commands the rape. I am an anarcho-capitalist/propertarian from Brazil, and I support Brexit and Scotland independence, and, after Scotland independence, I support independence for the Shetland Islands and the Orkneys. The European Union is not an union for free-market, it is an union that puts out a lot of regulatory legislation, which the countries have to agree, regardless of the will of the individuals. Brexit and Scotland independence are movements I can stand for, because they are autonomists in essence.