Ken Burns & Henry Louis Gates, Jr. in conversation with Michel Martin
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- Documentarian Ken Burns and scholar Henry Louis Gates, Jr., join together to discuss the prevailing political fault line in the US: race. In this illuminating and cogent exchange, they examine why race is critical to their understanding of America and their work-and how, as a nation, we deal with race today. Their discussion is complemented with clips from Jackie Robinson, Burns' forthcoming epic about the impact and legacy of the first black baseball player to play in the major leagues, and Black America Since MLK: And Still I Rise, Gates' chronicle of the civil rights movement culminating in the election of Obama. (Both films are scheduled to premiere on PBS in 2016.)
Both figures have explored how race is part of the American fabric in their work. Burns’ landmark Emmy Award-winning television series The Civil War and Gates’ unprecedented four-part series African American Lives explore not just the role African-Americans have played throughout our history, but also how race, conceptions of race, and ideas about freedom and independence influence our politics and policies. They trace the historical significance of race from abolitionism to civil rights to the war on poverty-and consider what it means to have an African-American president. - Zábava
I love this type of teaching. Always enjoy Ken Burns shows and watch Mr. Gates all the time. It's time.
I respect these men
2 inspirational men who are fighting for justice and equality. I learn from Kens documentaries, which are spectacular. Every time HLG speaks, I learn something new. Both have made such positive contributions to humanity.
These two guys together on a warpath against racism are a great force...
Simply AWESOME❣️❣️❣️
Adore and admire Michel Martin.One of the finest journalists around.
Huge fan of the works of these gentlemen. Wishing them many more years to continue the unfinished stories of America's past.
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Ken Burns is amazing, he really understands sociology and culture. Very skilled at expressing fine points of the human experience. HLG Jr is a great scholar and it's great to see him here discussing this. My mother remembers that horrible time during segregation. Never again!
Ken Burns is an incredible visionary and with his documentaries has captured my love for learning
This video shows how we should be discussing race in America. A civil and poignant conversation, not the yelling and blame game we are displaying in this country right now. God Bless Michel Martin, Henry Louis Gates Jr. and Ken Burns for coming together and having this discussion.
Perfectly said!
Thanks for being honest and trying to be positive.
In light of the death of George Floyd and the subsequent protests, examples of police brutality and the behavior of the President, it would be very interesting to bring these men together with Michel Martin for a follow-up discussion.
These two are amazing reporters and they are very very good at this,!
Wow! I could’ve listened for hours! All 3 of them were so, so, interesting! ❤❤❤
Very good conversation involving two men who have done the work and brought it to our doorsteps. I pray for this country and I'm so hurt with the stain of racism. Toni Morrison said it best " if you can only be tall while someone is on their knees then you have a problem and white folks have a serious problem and they should do something about their fears and treatment of others. The power structure in our society allows this to happen. They use this while they are planning their next move. Not all white people are bad .. and not all black People are bad.... majority of people like each other. The media plays a huge part in sensationalizing race. I'm sick and tired of the overall pain that we have endured in this country . I don't wish this on anybody not even my worst enemies. I'm optimistic that things will get better and I hope the good people continue to fight for the nation. Blacks and whites are cousins through slavery. If someone is your cousin , you don't hate them you love them and wish them well in life. We always try to get along because we don't have the power to change the hearts of many whites . But now I think black People have to unite together and build a nation inside a nation . Similarly like the Jews and Asian ... we have to build within and educate ourself and our children. Again , great show and I learned a lot from these two distinguished gentlemen .... in fact, I'm searching now on Netflix for their movies. Good luck to the host. She did a great job with showing their body of work.
white man born in slave states ancestors had own slave please check your DNA there is nothing worst then self hate
Stephanie Drake I agree not all Black people are bad. Not all white people are bad. Most people want to be kind to each other, as I see in the streets, the schools, the stores, the gas stations. Most are kind and polite.
Every thing you said was crazy ! Learn our history ! 🤷🏽♀️
Never going to happen you are your worst enemy. Not the blue eye 👿
This is a fantastic conversation! And long over due!
Thanks so much for making this conversation available to me. The window to new views is always open and I do believe my own perspective is further enhanced by this. Racism is wholly Institutionalized throughout America, as are, from my experience, misogyny and No separation of church and state, taxation without representation (no choice about our tax money and who doesn't fear the IRS including its own employees?). These are as much The System as capitalism itself.
I love seeing Dr. Gates Jr. anywhere. Much love and respect for him. May God’s blessings follow you always. Love you so! Thanks for being a leader and educator for us.
Even now in 2018, please do not allow the worst POTUS in time and his Trump abomination and ghastly administration to in any way put a stop to any effort for your development and advancements in doing the research and getting your valued documentaries out to us all to benefit from. We need people endowed with brilliance like you MORE THAN EVER. Thank you and please do not anyone out
there to stop you.
Thank You
This discussion serve for today climate.
Wow. Great upload.
I love Michel Martin. She is great.
Dr Gates ending comment...very prophetic...please bring them back together again for another conversation....POWERFUL.
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes his words is and will matter please keep educating us.
"First of all, I've known Skip for a quarter of a century, and love him"
-Ken Burns-
That sounded so freaking beautiful.
Amen.
It's horrendous that in this century we are still debating things like this, the fact that "some" people think "black" people are not at the same level as they are,be it education,cultural,etc etc it's just rubish, just the same with immigration. For these horrible things to be erased they depend not just on government trying to shape us, but from us as individuals, we have to say as humans this is not right, children do not see things like this,its us as individuals, be against injustice, if you were a docile dog being hit everyday wouldn't you as well bite? I am from Portugal and we have a voice.... still, but we protect people when we see they need justice,no matter their "colour". Lets love one another,no matter colour,creed, sexual preferences,money orno money, in the end only Someone or Something out there has the right to judge!!!!!! Love and Light.xxxx
This is precious and beautiful because true.
What a conversation, especially looking back from Dec 2022
Good day - my simple dream is that the works by the illustrious Mr. Henry Louis Gates Jr. should be adopted and embraced by the OAU above all the book entitled 'AFRICA'S GREAT CIVILIZATIONS' should be distributed to the heads and members of this institution for a start, which in a second act, could be published and distributed by the OAU to all the countries of our beloved MOTHER AFRICA, thank you!
Rahim, I couldn't agree with you more. Africa is ever changing and despite bias American news media, going through many positive transitions for many African nations. I feel those particular documentaries on Africa's great civilizations would only help to reinforce pride amongst all indigenous Africans.
The long devastating effects European conquest, colonialism and racism have had such a painful impact on the beautiful peoples of Africa, African-Americans and the entire Black diaspora.
Even Asia and Latin America has felt it's effects.
It is time for everyone of the diaspora to put aside our petty differences of colorism, arrogance and self inslaved thinking and unite. Learn together, work together and begin the journey of healing and reconciliation.
Ken is incredible at explaining and from with in. it is easy to believe what he says
Say it Ken! U too Skip!
This is what I try and instill in my children, you have a responsibilty to your race, they try and dovode us, they make black police men feel as if you are better than them or they are lower than you and it is simply not true no one is better than anyone, some people have different upbringings, but as a race we are responsible for each other and then after that as a human race we are responsible for holding each other accountable
Dr. Gates is a wonderful interviewer
it is so very hard for me to believe in this year, 2020 that all this violence from the cops on black people is still happening !
3 American treasures.
I enjoyed this.
Does anyone else find Ken Burns incredibly attractive? He not only has such a wide breadth of knowledge, he has that cute little-boy look with those darling bangs. I scour the network for his and Lynn Novak's work, for I am sure to be in for a terrific experience.🥰
Great documentary but why is it so difficult for African Descendants of Slavery to receive reparations for all of the oppression, atrocities committed against our people.All of the evidence is stored in museum , court records and books. It seems that others are profiting from ADOS miseries.
Enough with the old saying you will get your reward when you get to heaven, what about here and now. This is what the Slave were taught with slave bible.
Well stated...
Exactly
I finally understand the connection between :Abortion & Rape: in the Anti-Abortion laws that are sprouting in the 'anti-churches and evangelistic culture today.'
It's rooted in the 'rape of black people' as an exceptable means to
a, mark territory like branding,
b. allow sexual behavior of a bigoted lifestyle where wives except male perversions rather than protesting the cheating on the legal bond of marriage.
c. create economic conditions feeding 2 as a result 'anti-abortion' methods that will insure generations of cheap labor struggling with the laws intended on creating the institution to begin with.
i know there is more to this puzzle. m.
Ken Burns is the best storyteller
Im a blk woman, i wanted to hear more from Ken Burns.
Ok. And you being black means what regarding this discussion?
@@samanthajwright4839 As American Descendents of slaves, we have been listening for 400 years. We are still waiting to be recompensed for the unpaid labor.
Next.....
Why?
WHY NOT GATES?
That was good
I'll say this every time someone brings up to Confederate flag I say leave the flag up and the statues but also put up all the herenden's stuff that came with it and then less see how long they want to be a part of that. You have to tell both sides of the story
Old Pipe Herenden?
😂😂 when they dap eachother after Clarence Thomas Joke! Lol!
My Fairchild side never was involved with slavery. We were Loyalists, Canadians, and were involved in the Union during the Civil War.
You still reap the benefits...
If we don't stop calling ourselves black we will never escape them chains
We call Euro white they have never been slaves, but the African was called negro, colored, and of course the N-word. The word black wasn't used because it was equal to the word white
Reverend Pinkney may be my people.
I want to meet this guy
The things that Black people had to endure during the Jim Crow era are not even comprehensible to people today. Yet and still these people endured, survived, and overcame.
Ken Burns probably isn't going to make a documentary about hip-hop. He's not so interested the Black American experience post 1970.
I wish Ken or someone would have the fortitude and wisdom to tell of how hip hop, rap and the like have added to the denigration of a people. Lots started to creatively voice the plight of a segment of population and later became( by African American) about the glorification of violence and disrespect toward women. Women, who by the way willingly participate in their own humiliation.
GOD HELP US AS A PEOPLE!
We are one people in this world. The Light of the Supreme dwells within each of us. Because of this Light we walk, we talk and we breathe. Breath is life and we breathe automatically - so who or what is breathing us? This simple Truth is the base of who we are and the purpose of our life is to realize this basic truth.
I am only 8 minutes in. and my brain is gonna pop.
That's where I don't agree with Skip Gates. How can Hillary who called young black men super-predators, be a "friend"?
How can we get in touch with Mr. Gates?
I'm not famous, but I would be greatly honored if Mr. Gates did my genealogy. Problem won't happen.
Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa. Most scientists currently recognize some 15 to 20 different species of early humans.
American Indians were almost Euthanized by Columbus, their children made slaves. Then over and over again until the Europeans overtook the whole land to the West Coast. This was their land. The arrogance of the white man 100 years ago and all the way back for thousands of years all over the world as they came into Africa and took their land also. I am a white woman no American Indian or anything but white in me. (Sadly ...I had hoped for some mix.) Did the DNA.. etc. I just hate the history of the some of the white men of this earth, taking anything just because he was white. My only saving Grace is none of our ancestors participated in these horrors and believed In Equality. I love the story of Wilberforce who ended the English Slave Trade and wrote the song 'Amazing Grace'. So interested in it all. I loved General Powell and Dr.Ben Carsen of course what Martin Luther did and all the music that has come from all the beautiful people of color and all the Amazing Black Women who have gone out of the box. So inspirational the spirit of it all! Bravo. Thank you for making all of us take note of the facts for this is unfortunately the History of our America and it can t be ignored. It must be understood to gain unity through more of an educated, sympathetic, realistic understanding of history and make this country United and remain standing. This country can make a difference Globally if understood well. This should be a bi-partisant country or Independant. I am Independant and no one should be persecuted for the private way that they vote. Thank you for all your doing. Its dividing the country too much.
Amazing Grace was written by John Newton an English former slave trader. He became a lyricist and minister. Your post was beautiful. You are not responsible for slavery or its aftermath of terrorism, Jim Crow, and systematic discrimination into the seventies and beyond. But all America benefited from what slavery produced. All you can do is share views with people who will listen.
Unfortunately, no time to view this. Does Ken Burns Express if he is of Asian or Native American heritage? Has he been on Dr. Gates "FINDING YOUR ROOTS" PBS Program?
Lol. Guaranteed they would never make a sculpture of Robison and Pee Wee Reeses holding hands because they think it looks "gay."
What is Gates documentary called???
+Madison Smith And Still I Rise: Black America Since MLK
Many Rivers?
Madison Smith I'm not sure / I often wondered this throughout the interview ... not good for the host - she was okay but she kept cutting in with her own perspective during their speech. Very annoying. But plz google Dr. Gates and I'm sure you'll find it.
It's called Finding your roots. You can find many episodes on You tube.
The American first sin is the stealing of the soverign people's land and the submission almost destruction of the variety of 300+ indian cultures. This is the narrative that is missing in the bigger picture conversations? It comes in about 1.10 hours in this piece so that's great and when can we have series about indian people's??
Anna B Sexton
dont confuse the sin... darling.....
When we gathered more info pertaining to it.
@Anna
The Native American conversation is a DIFFERENT conversation and your attempt to conflate these two separate tragedies in American history speaks to a general unwillingness of most white Americans to have a conversation dedicated to the Black American experience and what must be done to right that wrong, in so far as it can be righted. Stop trying to diminish Black slavery and its continued horrific effects on American culture today.
This is a discussion about Black ppl...you dont show up to breast cancer conferences and tell them to talk about prostate cancer...typical tho
Why do they say away from Obama's President said thing ?
I would add something to Dr. Gates' statement that many white Americans are afraid, which I agree with. I would say that many white Americans are afraid that, without the protection of the myth of white supremacy, others will realize that they are just mediorcre, average. Not better than, but, God forbid, less intelligent than, less capable than, some black people. In our heart of hearts, we all - everyone, no matter what our "race" - know where we stand in the pecking order of intelligence, looks, economics, the force of our personailties, etc. And for the vast majority of us, we realize there are folks who are more gifted with these attributes than we are, and there are folks who are less gifted. So imagine you're one of these mediocre white folks, but you feel badly about who you are. If you take away the one buffer out there that can make you feel a little better about yourself - the notion of white supremacy - you just have to face the truth about yourself. I think for some people that's just the last straw, and they can't take it. Now add to this that you don't have to actually be mediocre to feel badly about yourself. You can be good looking, highly intelligent, and rich and still have a very low opinion of yourself. I think people who want to "make America great again" and are afraid, want to hang onto white supremacy, sexism, xenophobia, etc. because they can't accept themselves as they are at a very deep level.
I was shocked when I recently heard, when light in the US: I am the colour of rape.
Both my children thankfully are the colour of love.
Black Native Americans have been present in Oklahoma since the 1820s, when the federal government forced members of the Five Civilized Tribes to relocate from the American Southeast to Indian Territory, which is now Oklahoma. The Five Civilized Tribes are the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, and Seminole. Some tribes brought African American slaves with them, and the slaves were also given land because they had native American ancestry. Indian Territory established African American slavery in the 1830s, with some nations including both enslaved blacks and small numbers of free African Americans
Not all blacks or Hispanics have to be Democrats to be true to their culture and heritage. Not all whites have to be Republicans. It's just not the truth of how we as a country stay united and working as a free Independant country.
I would just hope for no politics in the truth of making our Country United.
The reason that Donald Trump is in America today, is of what we, as Humanity will learn from him… after he leaves… humanity will become better… as Human Beings!
Thank you!
Burns is a longtime supporter of the Democratic Party, with almost $40,000 in political donations.[14] In 2008, the Democratic National Committee chose Burns to produce the introductory video for Senator Edward Kennedy's August 2008 speech to theDemocratic National Convention, a video described by Politico as a "Burns-crafted tribute casting him [Kennedy] as the modern Ulysses bringing his party home to port."[15][16] In August 2009, Kennedy died, and Burns produced a short eulogy video at his funeral. In endorsing Barack Obama for the U.S. presidency in December 2007, Burns compared Obama toAbraham Lincoln.
ken burns and louis gates tell history as things really happened it is not political as you say but showing the problems in this country that have to be corrected
Please, my two cents: Africa as a whole, not just snidest of S.A., Ghana, Nigeria, Egypt, Kenya, etc. Can you include Francophone African Countries? Central Africa, please!
@BAMorg: You...and/or YT...did an absolutely terrible job placing the commercials in this video.
Obnoxious as hell, in fact!
Look out for Netanyahu in Palestine
Did Gates just say that dummy dump is articulate???????
Samantha J Wright are you referring to Dr Gates saying that 45 intentionally speaks to the lowest common denominator - that he speaks without myth - that he’s smart / knows what he’s doing - is that what you’re referring to - hay he’s smart enough to get elected once - heaven help you guys if he gets himself re-elected
786 Praise & thank ALLAH MOST HIGH UNSEEN, blk ppl=ADOS=Children of Israel=real Jews of Scripture who illustrate today the traits=stiff neck, hard hearted and rebellious, of our ancestors concerning our relationship to our CREATOR ALLAH UNSEEN MOST HIGH WHO is PRESENT among all of us @every time and place WHO presented us with leaders @their prescribe time however when those leaders have passed on then it is our responsibility to looked to our CREATOR ALLAH UNSEEN MOST HIGH to accept & support the Leader=me HE appointed as successor to continue and upgrade beliefs and practices for our Liberation as a collective, this is the continuing failure of blk ppl living in the past instead of the present. UNSEEN ALLAH subdued pagan Arabia in 23 yrs. via G*D appointed Leader=Prophet Muhammad peace be on Him and His pure family Successors and @His burial preparations, His companions with Arab majority held an election going back on their word to accept G*D's appointed Successor Imam Ali {AS} as Leader after the Prophet {SAW], they then reverted back to barbaric tribalism resulting in the Chaos of M.E. today. Hon ppl G*D appointed me Leader of our Liberation and without your support of me, G*D is not going to support your efforts and w/o G*D's support there is no success...
Here is a question brought up by the discussion: When was the last time someone made a documentary on a Native American? They are even more disenfranchised than black Americans. We need to recognize all ethnic groups to become whole as a country.
There is no such thing as a Black American....we are kidnapped Africans who resides in America (a country built off the sweat and brawn of our Ancestors backs)
@@killabz2 I should have put that phrase in quotes. You're correct. Just like there is no such thing as a "white" American. We all have an ethnic background that tells stories of struggle and survival, and a history one can be proud of. But, Tee, I hear lots of African Americans talking about "blackness." Skin color is the way the powerful divide us. My Southern Italian ancestors were considered near African, and my grandfather's village was razed, women and girls raped and murdered, with thousands of its citizens wiped out, all for "unification." They came here to be lynched and denied jobs, and a few were even put in internment camps with the Japanese, as many lost there livelihood on the West Coast at the onset of WWII, due to being considered "enemy aliens." If everyone searched their ancestry, we would find that we all share the pain of being human.
Reparations. Black are still waiting. Black Indians left out of reparations given to " so called native Americans "
Oklahoma birthed Native American blacks
I read all of Obama's book's I had hoped for real change with him but that is not what happened. Living in Chicago it's the Southside very much more disappointed in his not helping Chicago, in fact it became worse???? I live here so I know.
Debbie Strom sure...” you live there”. Tell me, was he the Mayor?
Why would you expect him to help you out? You live there it's up to the residents to change the environment they live in.
Pres obama hands were "tied" because Republicans would NOT let him continue to do right by the country. This literally continued for six years. People forget that.
@@dsolo6536 was the economy deliberately destroyed when he became president. He did the best he could with all the obstructionists in his path
I understand some people thoughts to why Native Americans aren't brought up and documented on as much...that that was the original sin of America. Well simply put i guess there isn't enough info due to whitewashing or the fact that they although mostly living isolated and on reservations, they aren't killed and targeted by the people of authority to be done away with like we are dogs even til this day.....and a side note. Some American Indians tribes owned blacks as slaves too....but that is rarely talked about. So????
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Get it right with the black man, everything else falls into place
Ken is feeling guilty....😅
Ken Burns thinks Slavery is at the core of America’s original sin? What about what what was done to the indigenous people who were here when all of you all got here?
Facts: Some American Indian tribes own blacks as slaves too...now thats something that is rarely talked about.
Kevin Thomas Cherokee took their slaves with them on The Trail of Tears.
How about let’s stay on topic of THIS discussion and then can talk about theirs as well. Let’s not derail this please 🙄
I m agree with me gate says no agree mr Donald Trump
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I can't take my eyes off that terrible toupee. Either that's a toupee, or he likes getting his hair cut to look like he's wearing a terrible toupee.
What about people whom skin is absolutely jet black with straight hair and has no other spliced DNA genes which correlate with any other racial admixture ? What would you and those DNA researchers attributed to that? Would you treat it as some abnormal unknown phenomenon?
We call them real Indian and not the American
On Trump...he's smart, he's charismatic.... maybe... but he's articulate ?
When's you look at slavery, The Civil War, Jim Crow and Civl Rights it's obvious a coexist between the Blacks and Whites is literally impossible . Way way too much resentment and hostility over slavery.
Do not Place politics into this whole thing. You ruien what steps forward your trying to make.
Wow! I am such a fan of Henry Louis Gates Jr....Too bad he showed his racism when talking about Donald Trump. A sad commentary on race relations when a man with so much power for good, shows where he really stands. The KKK was a southern democratic political party BTW. American history is so much more than these men represent in this talk. Judging historic peoples by today's standards is problematic. This glass house is not a place I want to be. Barrack Obama was my president as is Donald Trump.....One being black has nothing to do with my politics.....It is too bad this is such a political laced conversation. Please let's continue the conversation without politics....We are Americans....together we are strong, apart we are weak. I guess I am a "they".....These people do not know me, but they are judging me by calling me "they"......ARGGGGGGGG! That statement makes me soooooo sad. Challenging authority is why we are America not a British colony. We need to tell our stories...our TESTIMONY....It is what makes us..."US": Not purple, orange, or any other color. We are AMERICANS. Wrongs have been done. We cannot right them but we can try and hear each others stories and learn from them. We do not know "these things" because of our failed education system. History is soooooo important.... all history...the good the bad and the horrible. Why would anyone know the race of any applicant ...if you don't have the score...you don't get in. I thought that was the what equal/free was.....Maybe I misheard.....certain people need to have special privileges to get in to an Ivy league school.....Surely I heard wrong. Really HLG...DEMONIC forces attached to Donald Trump. Mr. Burns myth making...lets talk about the woman before Rosa Parks that refused to give her seat up on a trolley. She also won a lawsuit against the company......Yes ...I can't remember her name either...She was a fighter and not as sympathetic as Rosa Parks. What History Forgot the, TV show, is where I first heard of this civil rights leader. Ken Burns just torched all peoples but African Americans....WTH.....what about Natives, what about Asians, the Irish etc....lets not condone racism of any kind. UUUGGGHHHHH! Do they not see and hear them selves? We all should see an American not a color...There is still slavery, selling of peoples going on today especially from Africa. Black men sold black men.....Native men sold native men.....and bought and sold white women. Men still sell and buy women today in all cultures. All Lives Matter.....Ferguson MO. was a pot ready to boil over. I know a person from Ferguson. He told me his story. He is a professional person. He was bullied/called horrible names by his classmates and neighbors. He was driven to "get out" of Ferguson and the system that enslaved his people. Ohhhhhh Ken....tell me about the stock market if you know what would have happened to Trevon if he was white. IF you agitate....what do you accomplish? another Trevon, another Ferguson?....Conversations with family and friends...debates, testimonies, family histories, is what we need, not the constant agitation that will break people, The constant agitation will cause good people to do horrible things to those they love and hate. The drip, drip, drip of racism, political correctness, white vs whomever, black vs whomever, Protestant vs whomever, Christian vs whomever, will divide us not unite us as one. I enjoyed listening to this conversation. I obviously do not agree with their politics and opinions but it is a good reminder that we all have our experiences that make us whom we are. Individuals that need to come together as one with different stories to tell.
The American civil war was not caused by or fought about slavery .
Graham I refer your to the PBS series Reconstruction: America After The Civil War. They go into detail and show Confederate States documents detailing their struggle was bound up in slavery. The four part series is online right now. Its excellent. Hope you will avail yourself of the info. I can lead Graham to water, but I cannot make him drink.
Okay, it was fought for white supremacists
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I love this type of teaching. Always enjoy Ken Burns shows and watch Mr. Gates all the time. It's time.
This is a fantastic conversation! And long over due!