Wired Freedom Brake Upgrade: 203mm Disc
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Trying to change my Wired Freedom's 180mm Brakes to 203mm Brakes and the issues i ran into.
Wired Freedom Ebike wiredebikes.com/citizen925 (affiliate link)
Timecodes:
0:00 - Fitment issues
5:13 - Testing Stock 180mm Brakes
6:57 - Testing 203mm Brakes
8:57 - Results Wrap Up
Galfer has PM adapters for any rotor upgrade. I upgraded my Cobra Pro rotors from 180 to 223mm and the Galfer adapters fit like a glove. I love the upgrade. Zero vibration, noise and they run cool even on extended downhill. Made in the USA.
Thanks for tip!
@@CitizenCycle925we, the riding pubic, need more “tried and failed” vids or “tried and true.” Thank you for your work and frustrating experience. It’s educational for us, and the comment above extends the process!
I wanted to upgrade my new 2024 Freedom bike right out of the box during assembly, with the 203's. However, dumb ass Amazon sent Me the Exact same incorrect adaptor ! I was shocked at how stupid the bike shops were on this subject as well ! After doing some research I found out that most forks are set up for 160m rotors. 180's require the spacer that came on the bike, and the 203's require a completely different spacer/shim. I did find some that will work on Amazon. Note: the use of these shims require 4 same size bolts, and the shim kit only came with 2. They were called JooFn Disc Brake Mount Adaptor 40mm PM for Front/Rear 203mm.$8.49 each. I plan to change the rear rotor when I do a tire upgrade in the future.
I am surprized that the bike service people didn't know you should use a pair of conical washers from regular brake pads to move out the brake caliper. The washers I mean are the kind that come with regular brake pads from V brakes. If you are going to use the thick flat washer, I recommend to have them both the same thickness. I had this problem myself going to larger disks. Sometimes making conversion's are a pain in the butt.
The original adapter looks like one to go from 160mm to 180mm. You need one to go from 160mm to 203mm. That's 43mm.
Totally agree I only changed out the front as well
You work so hard to show Us these things !! Nice job always - - ->>>
Merry Christmas and Happy New to you and your family 🎉👍👍👍
Thank you! You too!
They say 70% of the braking force is from the front tire so swapping the front rotor is a great idea if you have the right adapter. The rear rotor is a PITA and not worth it unless installed from the factory. Having a 203 in back will help a bit with stopping distance but the bigger benefit is fade resistance on long downhills where you are riding the rear brake to control speed. Pretty cheap for Wired to include bigger rotors, probably would costs them less than $20 for both.
Thanks, your being honest. I really appreciate that.
Rats, wish I would have seen this one 2 months ago. As a hobby machinist I would have made you some nice custom adapters. Great videos! I'm subscribing today!
I'm living with the same issue. The only solution allows half of the surface contact normally expected.
Every inch saved while stopping is important. So is the heat dissipation factor 👍👍
Seems like you got it to work! Nice job. I have 203mm rotors on the wicked cruiser but I'll soon be switching to the rst guide fork and will likely have to do some trial-and-error fitting as well. Will you be doing dual motors on the freedom or cruiser?
Better off using Tektro HD-E725 E-Bike Hydraulic Disc Brake 4-Piston Caliper with Sensor Control, MH2009. I have 2KW front and 1500W rear. Works beautifully
Other brake look for’s at least for me are; greater stability in coming to a stop and secure, smooth feel of grip.
I’m looking into forks and if an upgrade makes a difference. Point is as you found in pursuing upgraded rotor is the effort worth the investment? One would think something better would be better but is it? Sure the bike stops quicker still is it pertinent given a things encountered in a days ride? Back to the fork and it seems this is a pivotal certainly major part of the bike; stability, bump absorption, impedes shimmering (with stabilizer attached) with weight on bike. I think with thicker stanions and beefed up stem/headset guts etc and coil springs for weight. That correct pairing would keep front wheel connected better to the road. Anyway I think the brake upgrade is a plus cus you never know but I’m moving toward the fork as my next go for upgrade. Research may take a while as finding all there is to know concerning things mentioned is crustal effort worth investment. Currently looking at Pedelic Suntor forks but I think my steerer is straight not slanted so…see so much to it when making a change.
The RIGHT adapter should be available. I will make sure I pay attention when I order my adapters! I have the same upgrade planned for my Juiced Scorpion 🦂! Along with a high power mag wheel hub motor with a 72v 50a controller! It was a treasure hunt, finding a high powered mag wheel! I have similar situation. I have a void between the shaft and the cassette!😮 Waiting for engineers at the manufacturer to get back to me now! Glad to see I’m not the only one having issues!! MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎁🎄 🎊SAFE RIDING 🚲⚡️🔥🚴👍😊
Sounds like you are building a monster! Best of luck in your upgrades! have a Merry Christmas.
For myself, being in a mountainous region (Sierra Nevada / Tahoe). My interest in larger rotors would be less heat induced brake fade on long downhills. Belive me. I have experienced this even on performance mountain bikes. It's a good upgrade for such a heavy bike.
Keep up the great videos.
Good point about the heat reduction! I really didn't cover all benefits.
The bigger benefit of the 203 mm rotor is there’s just more material to absorb and dissipate heat. This is particularly important for downhill and Enduro mountain biking where you’re on the brakes a lot more and for extended periods of time.
Or helpful with frequent high speed stops with a big bike and heavy riders.
There is also a mechanical advantage to the larger diameter rotor. When looking at 203mm rotors on Amazon in the past I always found there were recommended brackets available.
@@ActivityPhoto true, about 10% more braking power
Keep it simple, use the 180mm spacer that came on the bike, go to the hardware store set and get those black metric 6mm Allen bolts, 25 maybe 30mm and some 6mm washers.
Why I don’t do assembly videos 😀. Thanks for keeping it real, Merry Christmas
Real life issues of average person trying to make upgrades 😊
One order your favorite pizza, two favorite soda, three hat turned backwards, three oldies music. It works for me at least.
What is a good bike carrier for these heavy bikes? I am looking for a carrier that can hold 2 bikes.
+40 front post mount with a 1.5mm washer for the extra 3mm of the 203. I’m assuming the stock mount is a +20 mount? I saw one on amazon a couple of days ago. I’m at work now so no time to link
Would be a good idea to get the same size spacers on each bolt so that you are not side loading the bolt and the caliper has the advantage of full contact with the pad......I am sure you know this and its been a long frustrating day and its a lot easier for me to say as I have the advantage of looking at it from the outside....thanks for posting your issues.
My first time trying to do this as a novice. I just like to put out real life content and issues that people like me run into.
Let us know if the bracket stays tight after some miles are on it.
Interesting that the bike shops not only didn't have the post mount adapter for you but they steered you in the wrong direction stacking adapters. You don't wanna do that. I went to the local shops and found one that had the right adapter. What you need is a 160mm to 200/203mm post mount adapter. i'm loving mine.
No doubt, they were fucking with him and actually suggesting unsafe solutions.
I save a lot of time and money by going to the hardware store instead.
VGEBY1 Disc Brake Adapter, A-F203 Bicycle Disc Brake Mounting Bracket Mount Caliper Adaptor for MTB Mountain Bike (Black). This one works perfectly, on the old models at least. You also get better modulation and less fade with the larger rotor and 10-15% shorter stopping distance. This is really an important video and I hope other bike manufacturers take note and move to larger rotors, such an inexpensive safety upgrade it should be mandatory.
As you said, it's hard to get any more brake power out of it, as the tires are already stopping. If you wnat to get an overall better brake feeling with power and more control, you need soms four piston brakes. This is an update you feel immediately.
I think bigger rotors are a much bigger bang for your buck than 4 piston brakes. He showed a 10% improvement by just changing the front rotor. I found a big improvement when I did the same and it cost $40, but I used the correct PM to PM adapter and it took me 15 minutes. I also splurged for the $30 Tektro rotor when the $10 one would have been just fine. So $20 to improve your braking distance by 10% and better fade resistance, and better feel.
@@jfly2249 No one said it would be cheap, but it feels much better. Here in Germany they cost around 120€ for the complete set incl. taxes. I think that falls under affordable.
Not sure I've ever had 4 piston calipers on any bike. Most of them have the same exact tektro E350 brakes. agree that the 4 piston are probably much better. But I was trying to show a quick easy and cheap brake upgrade. This was cheap But didn't turn out so simple and easy. I've had lots of suggestions for the correct adapter which probably wouldn't made my life a lot easier. 😊
The adapter brand/model and where you got it?
Plenty of 180 to 203 extension adapters.
I tried changing rotors to use Magura hydraulic brake’s but couldn’t get the rear rotor off they probably used red thread locker
Been there, time to get out the drill.
Or more importantly,.. something hitting you! I upgraded to 220mm rotors from I don’t know what on a MTB years ago and it was simple. Just added the spacer and was in business. I’d do the rear too but that’s me. Going tubeless will reduce your stopping distance a little too by reducing the rolling mass, or maybe it’s insignificant with fat tires. Waiting for my Freedom.
Oh Bryan, I know you can't get your hands on or do reviews on every e-bike out there, but you would be perfect to do the Escape Blaze Retro Sport (dual 20-ah batteries, dual 1000 watt motors, dual 30 amp controllers) moped style e-bike. Impressive looking bike and on sale (as I type this). They're located in Georgia and just wondering if you or any of your viewers have had any experience with them or with this bike? Thanks!
Those bikes you mention are tiny and very uncomfortable. Hard to pedal too.
Well, I am in contact with them so we will see....
been there done that haha. the chinese forks usually have some funky angle 17 degrees / 14 degrees (like your brake mounts do) so amazon and most us bike shops won't carry the adapters for them.
Like all those great made in America forks sold exclusively in the soon to be out of business local bike stores? Where do you think every part of every bicycle is actually made?
china of course, but they dont follow a standardized caliper angle@@jfly2249
@@TimbodaciousRST forks have the industry standard post mounts?, he just didn’t buy the right adapter, but I may be mistaken as I don’t have the new model.
Not sure why everyone see's the need to change parts that arent meant to be placed on. It just opens huge gaps for more problems.
Wired should offer this as an accessory option instead of running around all over town picking up miscellaneous parts that may or may not work.
Did you bed the brakes in prior to the test?
Yes did a bunch of long stops with good pressure before I did the last test.
Damn does that bike look beefy at this angle lol,tires look like a motorcycle size. Btw how do you keep the thing so clean?!😂
Can’t you make parts yourself eg 3D printing,I’m just guessing.
Has the bike been reliable so far?
So far so good
Contact Wallke and review the 35mph H9 dual motor 80ah ebike. It comes with the 203mm rotors.
Just switch to semi metallic brake pads for more Stopping Power - EASY !
I almost hate to say this. I think I might leave what you have alone. But if you were to do this again. I believe you would maintain better performance if the spacers were between the fork and the adapter, instead of the adapter and the caliper.
It’s only easy on CZcams until it’s real! 😅😂
Haha true!
Maby it helps if you youse 4pisten on the front whit a big rotor you know Netherlands bicycle land
Thanks for the "brakedown" anyways!
You bet!
I don't get it, my logic is saying to me that a change in disc size is not really doing an upgrade to the brakes, my logic is also saying that it would be more achievable to change the brake caliper from a 2 pot system for a 4 pot system to do the upgrade
The larger rotor provides you more braking force because of physics and the increased leverage from a longer radius. I’d much rather have 2 pot brakes on 203 than 4 pots on 180s. Of course, having both would be better.
😢 Okay Racer X, you're focusing on 6 Feet, not 4 feet.
Was that a new 1 Million or 2 Million Dollar Life Insurance policy the Mrs brought on you before this?
Beer-inspired SELF-MOD (by adding more parts subject to failure) OF THE MOST CRITICAL SAFETY COMPONENT of a Speedster Ebike?
Listen to your Speed Racer brother: "if it ain't broke don't fix it!" Thanks for sharing though, and stay above 6 ft because your family needs you. 😅
aliexpress has the mount you need .
Should’ve been with me when I fitted 160-203mm rotors, trust me … I invented new swear words.
Hahaha 😂
Just grab yourself some washers and size them up until it fits.
One bike length
Yeah got to get a new fork mine is making a slight rattling noise. Hey if you get a chance do a vid on a fork replacement. I’m finding forks are a big deal and most don’t fit the bill. A good ebike fork should keep the tire on the road even with bumps. It should rebound in a way that gets the tire back to ground evenly, quickly. My Hyper Scorpion forks have never done that. Also a good fork has solid stantion’s that don’t get mushy on turns. Anyway lots more to it and reasonably priced ones hard to find.
You get it in China
Thanks , not worth the hassle
Because of this alone….I’ve decided to not get the Wired Freedom Ebike
Why?
@@tenncutt I’m just kidding. The real reason why I’m not getting it is because it doesn’t have dual motors and the battery is not interchangeable. I’d get the road warrior but their motor is only 750w. Both companies say they make these decisions to cut costs but if they were smart they would give us the options to customize to our own liking. I wouldn’t mind spending 4k on a tricked out duals motor dual battery dual suspension wired freedom. I know the Ariel Ryder Grizzly has that but I don’t like moped style with no seat options. I guess it all comes down to options. One of these companies will wize up one day
Those Tektro brakes are trash anyhow. Get yourself some Magura MT5e and call it a day.