Biggest Superspeedway Controversies
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- čas přidán 27. 12. 2019
- Superspeedways have been the site of some of the most controversial finishes in NASCAR history. With so many subjective calls, more Superspeedway controversies are sure to come.
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Justin Haley: "We just took them to school!"
NASCAR: "Go to the principal's office!"
NASCAR: see me after class
They made it up to him a year later
NasWii did they really?
Hayley won the 2019 July Daytona cup race
Lol nice
The yellow line rule is one of the worst rules out there. Get rid of it
Christopher Mathern do you know why that rule exists? It’s only at two race tracks.
@@joesmithguide well with these two tracks there is more than one reason. First is due to how close the racing is; when the whole field of cars at Talladega can go past the start/finish line in less than 2 seconds, no other track can compare. Along with that is the speed; going 200 mph around the whole track, it's hard to get away from somebody because of the draft everyone gets, even nowadays its impossible without help; but it's not just how fast they're going around the track, but how they maintain that speed.
That is when we are separating these tracks from others, no other track has a draft that can work as well as Daytona or Talladega with these car packages and even if there is a glimpse of a chance, it's not as effective. You can also add that you don't need to run anywhere close to the wall the entire race. With all other tracks you see drivers using up the whole track for the fastest speed or time.
So why the yellow line rule? Well it's for safety if anything. Otherwise drivers would be running each other to the grass 9/10 races (granted they already do that) but it also is supposed to be a punishment if you "disobey". Sadly it's kinda like the pass interference in the NFL, or a foul in Basketball, it's up for interpretation if they ran below or was forced below. Is everyone going to like it? Absolutely not; there are a couple of penalties I disagree on and some I believed should of been enforced, but I'm not apart of race control so it's what we got.
If you go full-car below the line, sure. But he was on the line, not over it. Haley should've won.
Riley Rios they way I look at it is if the “best drivers in the world” can’t figure out when they should or shouldn’t take the risk of going below the line that’s a problem
@@connorallen8111 it's not so much a should or shouldn't, but more of a "will they make a move". With the playoffs incentive that winning meaning more than ever, and Daytona is the final race at the end of the regular season, so why wouldn't a driver who has no other way of making it take a shot?
In the end it's a perspective on the rule, kinda like how drivers should race. Some people prefer it clean, others are willing to use their car to move them. If drivers are willing to put the bumper to others to move them for a win/championship, you can expect the same thing with or without a yellow line.
10:45 - nah, the fans didn't want a green finish, they just wanted Jr. to win.
Exactly
I was happy that Gordon though
@@Rip_Tyler04 nope Jr won
@@rcracer8872 u a jr fan sad junior had a lot of wins there
@@Rip_Tyler04 no you're just a sad Gordon fan still upset because jeff Gordon couldn't win as many championships as my all-time favorite driver NASCAR's greatest driver ever Dale Earnhardt
I’m guessing that yellow line rule is similar to, “what is a catch” in the NFL?
No it looks like it's just like the out of bounds line. If you cross it, you're out of bounds. Idk why everyone is upset about that. He's basically cutting corners.
@@wackyflappybob Everyone is pissed because the rule says "You can't advance your position under the Yellow line." Here's the problem: It's NEVER consistent. EVER. Just last year one driver went CLEAR TO THE WALL under the Yellow. They gave him the win.
Justin was already in the process of passing and even if he didn't get below, he wouldn't have lost. He didn't use it to advance because he's already made his move. Then there's the other half of the rule: You can't force someone below, but more often than not the driver that forces someone below the line NEVER gets penalized, but the driver that IS FORCED is penalized.
Next comes the reason it was implented, NASCAR wanted plate tracks safer, but since it's implementation, there have been on average 2.7 more big crashes (9 or more cars) per superspeedway crash every race. So the reason for it is shit too. So in short we hate it, because it's a blatant gimmick of a broken rule that hasn't worked in it's entire history.
@@Lycan_Jedi I agree with that I always wonder what if you go below the line because there’s a wreck in front of you what happens do you get penalized for that
@@stephanienoblet8503 You aren't supposed to, but Carl Edward's got penalized for it then penalized again on the passthrough so he parked the car and just withdrew from the race
@@Lycan_Jedi Dang that’s Ruff
Stuff like this is exactly why Nascar is straining more then ever.
Nascar is down the shitter because they wont let the drivers be themselves and their trying to appeal to the wrong audience.
You obviously don’t watch anymore and that’s cool, we don’t need fans like you
@Mitchell Heath California and Michigan are big wide and fairly flat and they have some of the best racing in the season at those tracks
@@murphmuffin9069 lol the racing at michigan is the shittiest of them all the fuck 😂
@Mitchell Heath the old tracks are never willing to renovate so nascar doesn’t come back
I hated when justin haley didnt win
Winston Parker He did win the Coke Zero 400 in July of this year on a rain shortened race. I mean he got redemption from the Xfinity race a few years ago. So there’s that.
@@markdemars7044 i ment the one in 2018 with the yellow line rule
@@dotscupseries9544 I know.
I saw it too. But I do know that the yellow line rule is that when you have 2 wheels on the line the pass will not count. Or is it 2 wheels below the yellow line?
I'm clearly not sure.
@The_Kristianó_07 Games Well I always have never been 100% correct because I just never be sure or what the yellow line rule means in particular.
can not go below the yellow line why is so unclear
If you have 2 tires still on the racing surface and 2 tires under the yellow line, it should be a legal move
Tell that to a cop if you have 2 tires over a double yellow line on the highway
@@kyledert2049 this is racing not driving on a high way you stupid fuck
Mechanized Chaos thats just what i told the cop but he wasnt buying it....
bowhuntin ps4 thats just what i told the cop too!
@@fila6243 I mean if I'm on the road and not wrecking anyone fuck it right
Dale is a legend "im biased of course" 🤣🤣🤣
Well damn, rules are rules. Too bad for him though 🥴👍
Gordon beat Jr. like always.
@@JH-nl6bp nope jr beat jeff many times stay mad
Gordon 4 championships to Jr’s none 😂
and sr has 7 gordon has 4 hahaha
12:06. ..Wonder why they didn’t just let them race another 1/4 mile and be done with it. They’d already been a mile and a half since the crash.
I guess to allow the safety personnel to get to the drivers faster. I do think it was odd though, the drivers would have been slowed down by the time they reached the backstretch. I wonder if someone in the control tower gives the okay for personnel to enter the race track? Maybe the head safety person demanded the yellow?
Because wrecked cars were going back onto the track into the path of cars at racing speed. If the cars went into the infield and stayed there they likely would have kept it green.
@@Thumbsupurbum Race was going to.be over though once they got to the start/finish line. So the cars would be slowed way down by then. Track personnel would have been able to ho out 10 seconds later.
Either it should have been yellow when they first crashed or they should have let them finish the race. Shit like that drives me bonkers
@@Thumbsupurbum no because nascar is stupid af, them going another 1/4 mile to the finish line would not have effected the safety personnel 1.5 miles away on the backstretch. I hate nascar when they do that shit.
The first one is absolutely egregious. No reason to have that rule in effect on the final lap, literally 50 feet away from the finish line. Unreal. Embarrassing moment.
No reason to have that rule in effect at all
Ask the people that have died from that rule not being in place
@@tylerbecktel4443 Ok I’ll ask them. Yup, still dumb 1 year later.
@@pigs6486 as a huge nascar fan you're the one that is dumb rule is set for a reason big boy
@@pigs6486 final lap or not lol
Bobby Hamiltons Daytona win wasn't a controversy, he was ahead of Spencer clearly when the caution came out
clearly, I was confused as to why this was on here lmao
Yeah weird
Maybe just because they thought the other guy won
Justin haley wasnt below the yellow line.
But he made up for it in the cup race in 2019
JayRabid he was but I think that is his own fault. He didn’t have to go anywhere near it when he was making the pass. He had room
@@brockstar1461 the rule is all 4 tires. Its very obviously not all 4 tires. Nascar screwed him
@@marshallpeters1437 nope its any tires below, two tires were below
marshall peters the rule is Any tires below the yellow line it’s illegal.
I agree with you JayRabid
Regan Smith anyone?
Also Gordon's win wasn't a real controversy but the fans all threw a tantrum.
thats dale fans for you
It was inevitable that Gordon would surpass Dale Sr. on the wins list, so I agree that it was a tantrum.
Except for the fact that nascar ran four full laps of caution at their longest track for a simple spin. I wasn’t even watching NASCAR back then, but I can see where it is controversial.
@@jonathankraus9365 then explain why with the next race which which was @ Pheonix which was finished under the green flag and was the exact race where Jeff Gordon did surpass Earnhardt Sr. (this race at Talledega he Tied to Earnhardt) there was even more trash thrown at his car? ...AGAIN IT WAS A TANTRUM OVER GORDON SURPASSING THEIR DEMIGOD.
But we could have had a green plaid finish but Junior Nation decided to do what they did and throw trash on the racetrack
Throwing the yellow late let's Nascar pick the winner.Yellow should be immediate.
Jim Domoradzki except on last lap wrecks. As long as all the wreck is past the finish line. Just let them finish the race. NASCAR calls too many cautions nowadays though
@@tylerpatterson1267 Now that they've started this stage racing crap they've pretty much admitted that they create cautions on purpose just to bunch the field back together in an attempt to force excitement.
As soon as the ass end of a car goes around, car hits the wall, or goes below the almighty double yellow line the field should be "frozen"
Nickolas Zair-Hanks absolutely not. There should not be a caution for going below the line. There shouldn’t even be a penalty. And not when a cars ass starts to slip either. Has to actually be a wreck that could create danger to another car
@@tylerpatterson1267 talking about a car spinning sideways below the almighty double yellow. The double yellow should be a rule, Tony Stewart flipping through the air on Feb 18 2001 and not knowing who the president was when Bobby Labonte asked him after he landed on his hood and coming to a rest in the infield is a fine example of why it should be a rule. Safety trumps excitement, and if safety had been placed in emphasis in the 90's after NASCAR already knew the sport was dangerous maybe we would have gotten to watch Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin Jr, and Dale senior for a little bit longer.
Ahh, the "Rules". The yellow line and the "Moment" of caution, the thing that cracks me up about those is how NASCAR actually thinks anyone watching believes a word they say.
I was at the talladega race when Gordon won over dale Jr. I told a girl I was dating (her 1st race) “oh this is gonna be ugly.” Beer cans went flying. Lol.
If I remember this is the race that brought the green white checkered. I think they’d had a lot of races finish under caution and fans were fed up with them. Especially that day.
They just Gordon haters 😡 I'm a Gordon can Gordon won fair in square
@@Rip_Tyler04 nope Jr won but NASCAR' rigged it 4 jeff you're a dumbass and im laughing at you
@@rcracer8872 Any JR fan is a fuckin moron fanboi
@@Slinging.Wrenches any nascar fan is a fuckin moron fanboi. the only people able to truely drive are F1 drivers and Rally drivers. Especially rally drivers.
F1 drivers are a joke buddy, they are one dimensional, rarely try themselves in other motorsports. When they do, they usually lose. Remember whem Raikkönen finished last in a Nascar truck race?
Daytona and Talladega, it's James...
**F1 INTRO THEME INTENSIFIES**
James' the one with the yellow flags
Sighs copy James
Miss seeing Jeff, Jr, Tony and Edwards on the track. Thank god newman walked out of the hospital on his own. Hope Johnson has championship season.
Is it just me or does Bobby Hamilton sound like Michael Waltrip
The inconsistency on the cautions on the last lap of superspeedway are aggravating. Let them race to the finish if theres no trouble in front! I mean they do that now, but it was all pick and choose before which is terrible
4:45 he took that like a man
I was sitting in the upper deck the day Gordon won at Talladega and there were cans flying over my head from up there. People were pissed how the end of that race was determined.
I was there!! I did some whipping of shit
More like, fans were pissed because Dale Jr didn't won, because it's in Talladega, aka Earnhardt country
There have been 3 Xfinity plate finishes that got ruined by a pointless yellow. 2016 Daytona (in the video), 2013 Talladega, 2016 Talladega. What’s the damn point in throwing it instead of 5 seconds later
They need to throw it right away or not at all
They shouldn't have thrown it when 2 cars were milliseconds away from the finish line. It doesn't make a difference for safety. Wait till the cars are past then throw the flag for the rest of the positions that no one cares about. The only postition that matters is first. "If you ain't first, you're last!"
When NASCAR said Gordon beat Dale Jr, I thought the fans were gonna riot!
They pretty much did. Almost all Dega races end in a riot.
Haley passed Sadler and Larson before he went below the yellow line. *NASCAR* WHAT ARE YOU DOING!
just randomly noticed DC SOLAR 😂
That fall Dega race between Harvick and Bowyer...I see it as this based on an old video I saw years ago that unfortunately isn't up anymore.
"No! We're ESPN, we don't wanna show a replay!"
3 Rules that need to change immediately:
1. Remove the yellow line rule.
2. Remove the moment of caution rule. Do it based on data from the previous scoring loop.
3. Always throw the caution immediately.
There was a rule years ago that the drivers would race to the yellow
@@Robert-S-World I know. And I'm glad that one was changed. The last thing we need is for drivers to be running at full speed into a stopped car.
Same the last thing we need is someone get hurt or die. But here is the sad thing some fans want to go back to it
Robert Stefanik
And that's not exactly a bad thing. Racing to the caution *was* a big part of NASCAR. It allowed some profound moments, despite the glaring risk.
Lest anyone forget that they usually didn't race back anyway, but think NASCAR *could* bring it back, in a way that allows for incredible finishes like the 2001 EA Sports 500, or 2002 Kroger 300...
Lorenzo Bruno Bossio the only cars that raced back were the ones who were either just lapped or about to get lapped. Hence the lucky dog rule.
2:12 Jesus, how many times did Rick Allen say "start finish line" in this clip lol.
You'd better call on someone that knows ya...
Jimmy Spencer is literally the funny neighbor Art on the movie The Burbs.
You cannot go below the yellow line unless you are Dale Earnhardt, jr
The 1 car was easing over toward the inside, haley was anticipating his coming even further down, which he did.
Justin Haley won that race idc who says otherwise. It’s like Regan Smith at Talladega. Justin was in front of the two by his splitter when his lefts went below.
Also. This shows the difference in technology nascar has used and or advanced from video evidence to caution lights
Smith was forced down below the line. Haley had room but dipped the left side tires below the yellow line. Haley was guilty, Smith was not
@@berserkwolf1406 Nope. Haley was not guilty. It wasn't because he was below the line, it was because was below the line "to advance his position" but he didn't. He already had the lead, and then got just below it. And Smith wasn't forced down there, he went down there at his own will. If he wanted to win the race, he should have let Tony turn into him and take him out.
@@Tylnorton I was a Tony Stewart fan and now I'm a Kyle Larson fan, so if you think I'm biased then you're probably right. But I tend to agree with you. I thought when it happened that Haley had already taken the lead before dropping below the yellow line, but I can also see the point about him not needing to go down there anyway. As for Regan Smith, I also agree that he should have just held his line like Keselowski did to Carl Edwards in '09 and just turned him if Stewart blocked him. I've never had a problem with the yellow line rule, but I'd take it even further and penalize guys even if they are forced down there. Don't let someone force you down there. Hold your line and turn them if they cut you off or block you below the yellow line.
@@kodyhightower1903 I 100% agree with you when it comes to holding your line. I was a Tony Stewart fan as well. I'm a Harvick fan but I do like Larson. I have a little bias in this as well but at the same time Regan went down there at his own will. Sure Stewart tapped him but Regan did go down to probably avoid a wreck and that cost him the race for not holding the line. And if Dale Jr was the winner of that Dega race, then I have no problem stating Haley won that race in 2018. I see your point Haley didn't need to go down there, I just felt like he swept to the left so fast he didn't realize is and was only focused on the finish line.
I think the two lessons that should be used as examples of holding your line when getting blocked are that 2009 Carl Edwards vs Keselowski example, and then later in 2009 when Stewart turned Kyle Busch for the win at Daytona. The first block is fine, but if you block more than once then the second driver should hold their line and turn you. A lot of people also don’t understand that on the last lap blocking is different in that the back car isn’t gonna cut you any slack even if you are clear. You can be clear and still get turned if you are clear by such a little margin that you don’t have a chance to get your whee perfectly straight before the car behind you bumps you. If the whee isn’t perfectly straight the front car will spin 9 times out of 10. It’s what happen to kyle Busch that night, what happened to Almirola at Daytona in 2018 and what happened to newman the other night.
The biggest controversy ever on any track was taking the win away from Regan Smith at Talladega
8:12 two commentators had the exact same laugh
Jackson Barinowski it sounded so weird too lol
12:21 *Look back there. He almost flipped!*
That yellow line rule is dumb as hell. I get having some sort of track limit for stuff like preventing drivers from cutting the track, safety reason, etc, but there is not a single racing series I can think of that enforces their track limits like this. He was at top speed coming out of the draft and cut across the whole track for the win and the only thing he did was have two wheels on the yellow line. I don't think you could ask for a cleaner move in a series like NASCAR.
Name a more iconic duo than Brian Vickers and not knowing how to race at super speedways
The ones enforcing the rules, like S1apSh0es said in his worst calls in NASCAR video, are human beings, they make mistakes. Unfortunately, the ones making the calls aren't consistent. Dale Earnhardt Junior, for example, went below the yellow line at Talladega in 2003 to advance his position, yet he go no penalty. Yet at the same venue 5 years later, despite the fact that he was forced below the yellow line by Tony Stewart, Regan Smith was snubbed of the win
I dont see how the Jimmy Spencer one was Controversial when they clear as day made the correct call.
Haley was already in first when he went below the line. Nascar just didnt want their boy Larson to lose to an upstart.
Seeing as there are many factors to throwing the yellow on the last lap I think it should be reviewed at whatever the point of incident was. whenever the initial car starts to loss it or whatever the case may be it should automatically be from the beginning of the wreck say the first sign of smoke boom freeze frame line em out subtract the cars that are totalled
Don’t see how Gordon’s win was a controversial win
The problem wasn't that Jeff won. The problem was that they didn't restart it on a clean track
Jr may have been ahead at the moment of caution but it's only the last lap the use video to go to the exact moment. Otherwise it's the timing lines. I agree though it should have been restarted. They've done one lap dashes before
NASCAR not restarting the race is what the controversie was
I am a Jr. fan but even I didn't know who was ahead
@@tylerwelch1146 I've never been to Talladega
Classy guy that Bobby Hamilton
Edit: just read up on him. RIP Bobby
Edit 2: thanks to all the motorsport youtube pages who make it easier for me to catch up to y'all who have been into it for years
On the last one. Why they didn’t let them go 100 more feet is beyond me.
Yellow Line and Moment of Caution is one of those rules where it can get too close to call and every one is pointing fingers.
Dale said all the right things. And he "had a great points day"
The in car camera watching when the 25 spun was amazing. I cant believe no one touched.
I'm just psyched about the Porsche commercial
Man NASCAR needs Dodge to return ! Again !
What about when they used to run Buicks
What they should do is run only four cars at a time for four laps each and with speeds not exceeding 65mph. Top two from each group survives to race the other top twos. The way racing is now is inhumane, you may as well give the drivers knives, eliminate red and yellow flags, and make them fight it out to the death like in ancient Rome.
12:06 when nascar decides to ruin a great finish
Vickers screw Jr again in October 8 2006 Talladega race, last lap crash.
Moral of the story: at the end of a race, don't throw the caution right after the wreck happens. If a yellow must fly, why not give the drivers an opportunity to race just a bit longer, then throw it right as they approach a camera with a clear angle?
Why the hell would they throw the caution light on just before the finish line should’ve just let them finish the race
Selective calls for sure. Like when Jimmie Johnson was still in the chase a few years ago. He drove past his pit box and 1/2 the car was still in the next stall when they did the pit stop. But Nascar chose not to penalize him a lap. Or a few weeks ago when they chose to let them drive in the heavy rain until Chase Elliott took the lead, then called the race.
I was at the 2004 499 @ Dega and I’ll never forget the sight of thousands of beers and seat cushions being tossed at Gordon..
12:36 I never understand why they wait until the cars are almost at the line to throw the yellow. You let them race from the backstretch, to the exit of turn 4 and then you throw the yellow lol... let then finish and the spotters need to immediately let the drivers know of the crash on the backstretch
That call by Rick Allen on the first clip was awesome and very underated
Simple fix to all this. It’s called “race must end under green”. Also some of these cautions where unnecessarily called
Race ending under green is what caused Newman's crazy wreck at Daytona. If there is a wreck, the caution needs to be thrown.
Notice how none of these are from pre 2001. Yellow line rule and no racing back to yellow is how all these controversies were made. And Nascar wonders why people quit watching...
Well, there are a ton more controversies from the era before electronic timing. I watched the end of the 1988 Pontiac Excitement 400 race at Richmond the other day and They gave the win to Neil Bonnett due to scoring error even though video evidence proved he was a lap down. Ricky Rudd was the actual winner and NASCAR never gave Rudd the win. That mess happened all the time back in the day, especially on short tracks.
No racing to the yellow HAD to be enforced because Dale Jarrett almost got clobbered after his crash in New Hampshire by the lead cars racing back to the flag.
@@enterthekyuubi Then in that specific type of case, throw the red flag.
Throwing the yellow on the last lap is just plain dumb
No wonder NASCAR isn't as popular as it was
Safety gone mad
Everyone in any form of Motorsport knows the risks involved
I think this is just utterly ridiculous that a caution can decide a race
Only use cautions when the risk is great
Another thing isn't NASCAR racing supposed to be safe and the cars are the safest or have we been completely lied to about that
graham keetom fuck you. Safety is great. I do agree that NASCAR is a shell of its former self, but it's still amazing. The grandstands are still full.
I was at the arrons 499 when Gordon beat Dale jr.. The crazy thing, when Gordon took the lead it was the first time he lead all race then the caution came out. My seat was high up by the richard petty section and to look down the front stretch seeing the beer cans flying from the stands was like nothing i never seen before. It was an onslaught and i was tuned into Gordon's radio and as he came out of turn 4 in cruise mode he said "OH MY GOD!!!" when he seen all the beer cans flying....it was a sight to behold. He did his spins and burn outs with beer hitting his front windshield.
You mean when jr beat Gordon and nascar rigged it 4 Gordon
The Hayley deal was, at best, a tough judgement call to make, but in the end, the right one. Using football as an example, if a player's foot touches, but does NOT cross the sideline, they're still called out of bounds. At the exact moment Hayley's left side tires touch the yellow line (at 0:58 in), he is still just slightly behind the 1 and 42, and this is the moment that he should be considered out of bounds. Even IF Sadler had moved down to block, all that would have done is possibly get both the 1 AND 24 penalized - Hayley for passing below, Sadler for forcing a driver below (the rule states: "pass below, you will be penalized. Force a driver to pass below, you will ALSO be penalized"), thus handing the win to Larson.
The finish between Hamilton and Spencer is only "controversial" because Ultra Motorsports (and Spencer himself) assumed that the 2 was leading at the caution and had thus won. Remember, this is the same organization that assumed Ted Musgrave had won the 2003 championship, despite the fact that Ted had been posted for clearly passing before start-finish on the final restart. NASCAR shouldn't have let the 2 truck into victory lane until they knew for sure (which is something they've since gotten better at doing - see the Almirola/Allgaier deal later in the video).
The third clip really wasn't controversial at all. The caution needed to come out there, given that a car had just turned over into turn one. The lack of a clearly definitive angle of the leaders at the moment of caution is maybe the only point of contention here. Either way, RCR would have won, so only Harvick or Bowyer would have anything to complain about here.
A lot of people forget that, prior to the GWC rules, that NASCAR would announce at the drivers meeting the "Red Flag Lap" - that being, the final lap on which NASCAR would consider using the red flag to attempt to fit a final restart in. For the Talladega race in question, that was Lap 183. The caution for Vickers came out on 184, and officially started on Lap 185, thus meaning that no matter how minor the incident was, they would NOT stop the race. Now, they still could have called a quickie yellow on Lap 185, taken one to go on 186, and gone green on 187, BUT the fact that Gordon and Junior were challenging each other as to who was the leader meant NASCAR had to take two full laps to check the video (which again, like the Harvick/Bowyer finish, wasn't very definitive - it couldn't have been as fans are STILL arguing about it to this day...). I'll admit that I'm a Junior fan, but I will also trust NASCAR's judgement, so if they say Gordon led at the moment of caution, then so be it. That said, at least we got the green-white-checkered rules shortly afterward.
I'll admit that the final clip was a bad call - either throw the caution immediately, or let the leaders finish. Don't let them get all the way to the frontstretch, THEN throw it while they're basically dead even. That being said, the replay at 13:44 probably ADDED to the confusion - the initial replay at 12:47 is pretty clear...the moment the yellow light comes on in the distance, Almirola is ahead. Then at 13:44 they try to sync up the caution light to the same replay, and when that yellow light comes on, Allgaier is ahead, despite the fact that the yellow light in the distance had been on for a couple seconds before that (nice sync job, NBC!). None of this would have happened if NASCAR had called it immediately, or let the leaders finish, so that's on them.
Even if he didn't go over the *YELLOW LINE* the result would he the same, *A FREAKING WIN*
Haley had so much room to pass them
this should of included that talladega race Logono won, Dale was clearly out in front
2015 fall. I was there it was a mad house
Can thank Nascar's stupid idea of preventing Big Ones and Kevin Harvick for that finish. What was it, only one attempt at a GWC (that turned into two because they got confused)?
No he wasn’t, the nbc graphic was never, and will never be the exact time of caution, Logano won, he was in front, get over it jr fanboys
@@BuschWhackerReviews from the camera at the front stretch looking towards turn 1 was our point of view
while they used turn 1s camera we looked at the moment of the wreck. When a wreck happens the moment it happens the caution is supposed to come out. NASCAR had a delayed reaction on calling it.
Junior was ahead NASCAR SCREWED HIM as did Harvick wrecking the field
That last one is ridiculous. I have no problem with caution coming out. Driver safety is important but they needed to throw it sooner. Not wait 20 seconda after it happened. By the time they threw it they might as well let them race half a straight away to the line
And to think after Gordon beat Jr. at 'Dega, he had to walk through all those pissed off Jr. fans up to the press box on the front stretch to do interviews and shit lmao
This is a fantastic Nascar video
I for one like the yellow line rule, it allows for closer racing, but it really needs to be called better, or it needs to be removed if it can’t be called right
How is Regan Smith at Talladega not on here, I always thought it seemed obvious that Stewart forced him below the line and stole a win from Smith when he had a run and made a great move.
I don't consider that when you block somebody or when you want someone no one really forces you to go below the yellow line in my opinion you choose to go down there instead of wrecking that guy it's blocking you instead of turning that guy Regan Smith could have turned Tony he chose not to that's simple
It would have been a controversial win for either one of them
@@ethanwhisman1277 I dont know if you have ever raced before and it's not like I have a true comparison to what Talladega would be like, I drive in the hornet class (4 cly, 2wd, N/A and only allowed to use stock parts) at Evergreen Speedway in WA state. Ive had someone do that to me and when they cut down across like Stewart did to Smith, it's such a natural action to turn away and avoid the wreck. Smith could have held his line and it would have ended like Edwards and Keselowski did in 09, bad wreck and potential serious injuries to drivers and fans.
I've taken both options on track in real life. 1, Turned down the track and into the dirt and grass to avoid a wreck, lost several spots and kept racing. 2, Held my line and the guy came down like I wasn't there, cut my right front tire and lost seven laps in the pits. That said I take option 2 any chance I get, if that tire held up after contact I could have finished top five with that risky dive into turn three cause fuck it, what fun is racing if you dont push it balls out.
@@andypowell4702 Iris a lot I own a race team I would have turned Tony I put myself in that position so I've got to his inside I would have turned it or or I would have went to the outside I would have tried to pass him on this side but it was two moves their freaking wasn't going to win if he goes to the outside he's not going to win cuz Paul Menard doesn't go with him or whoever's in second in 2008 does it go with him I can't exactly I think it's Paul Menard
And if I got to the Bottom by Tony Stewart tries to block me at turning simple but again I'm willing to move people out of the way
@@ethanwhisman1277 I just watched that finish again and Stewart definitely cut down when Smith was already inside, it looks to me like there was contact that hit Smith down. He probably could have pushed his way back up above the line sooner. After watching again I think if he had held at the bottom line both him and Stewart would have been in the wall or even fence giving the win to Menard who was in third at the time.
If you remember tony Stewart was one first drivers to be blacked flagged in 2001 with the yellow line rule I’m think they done to smith because he was a rookie. But I’m glad tony won it was my first race and I wanted him to win.
Racing Hasn't Been The Same Since 2001...RIP DE !
You’re right, it’s been so much better!
@@JasonsDeathCurse you're stupidity is showing
All of these were the right call imo. The last one is probably the most controversial but they threw the caution because there were about 4 cars way in the back that were still racing towards the crash. I was at the race and I think Allgaier would have won otherwise.
No Dale Jr & Logano controversy in 2015 that ultimately cost Jr his shot at the title since he won Phoenix the next round.
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Bobby Hamilton's Daytona win eventually led to winning the 2004 NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Championship. Sad that he passed away 3 years later.
In other forms of racing, a specific area of the course will go under yellow, and a full course yellow is only used for a large crash. It's kind of dumb that the ENTIRETY of a 2.5 mile circuit has to be shut down because of an incident that happened in a single portion of it.
oh well, Haley got his revenge this season
Justin Haley won last years 250 idc what anyone says
Regan Smith at talledega 2010? then? And Dale jr in 2015
I agree with you because a Nascar turns not so great so Haley should have won and Larson was not running for points.
Kurt Busch won this year's 400 idc what anyone says
@@UnderdogRacingFan Haley wasn't either but I see your point
@@TeamRedWolf11 Regan Smith for sure should have won. Dale jr in 2015 I'm not so sure about. It was a cheap way to lose, but technically the right call.
The 2015 Talladega playoff race should’ve been included in this video
Jr handled that like a true professional
That was stupid this is why I haven’t watched nascar in a while
ANT JEFF who cares the sport is better without u watching
Hm. I don't think rare controversies at superspeedways made you stop watching but ookkaayy.
I haven’t been keeping up with NASCAR in years but when I use to watch if there was a caution they allowed them to race to the start finish line. When did they change the rule and why? Seems like a car in the back can determine the winner by causing a crash in the last lap (and that doesn’t seem right).
He already advanced his position (was past the other two) when he dipped below the line.
@1:17 Haley was in the lead when he went below the yellow line though. Dale Jr. did the exact same thing years ago and won based on the same rules.
Haley losing that race gives me nothing but pain
On the last five laps have a no yellow line rule unless the caution flag is shown.
Collin black the reason we have the rule is because Earnhardt was killed by racing like this in what looked like a business as usual crash at a retro for plate. Yes safety measures are better now than they ever have been, but this seems like a great way of seeing a repeat of 2001
@@berserkwolf1406 well that's not even close to the truth. They started the yellow line rules because guys would go all the way to the pit lane at Darlington and it was making it "unfair and unsafe"
They will throw the caution on the final lap if saftey personal is neeeded. In the case of some races. Multiple hard hits means that the caution will come out
If we be honest, anytime someone goes below even if they are forced, they get penalized so I really don’t understand the rule. It’s rare that the person that forces them down get penalized.
Was at the race Haley should’ve won, man it was wild. My wife was wondering why two people were burning out haha
I've never understood why NASCAR doesn't let them race back to the line for a wreck on the backstretch on the last lap like they used to. I thought that's what the Overtime line a few years ago was going to be for but boy was that a disaster. If it were up to me, I'd say for Talladega and Daytona, put a line halfway down the backstretch. If the wreck happens on the last lap before the leader crosses that line, for example, a wreck in turn 1, then the whole field races to that line on the backstretch, and after they cross that line the caution will be shown. So that line in effect becomes the finish line. But if the wreck happens after the leader crosses that line, so a wreck in turns 3 or 4, for example, then they get to race back to the actual start/finish line. This ensures that the finish is determined on the track instead of by a NASCAR official in the press box somewhere.
nascar needs to be like arca and only finish under green
Jr pass below yellow: OK
Regan pass below yellow: PENALTY
Haley pass below yellow: PENALTY
Hamlin pass below yellow: OK
What??
Talladega Chase Race 2015 was stupid like Harvick intentionally wrecks people just to advance and Jr is just barely ahead but Logano wins anyways eliminating Jr
Yeah, If they gave Jr the win, you know we would have had
1: Gordon
2: Dale Jr
3: Harvick
4: Truex Jr
in the final 4 at Homestead. We'll let you contemplate who would have won the title between the four.
Thanks to that race, that kept Kyle Busch alive, Since Logano won (keeping Kyle in thanks to a repeat winner) and it helped him go to the title.
i matched with Justin Haley’s sister on tinder
3 things are what is killing nascar. First is them picking and choosing when to apply the rules to favor drivers they want to push for marketability. Second is when they turned their back on what made them to sell out to fickle fans. Third and most important, they stopped giving back. Tracks like Rockingham, North Wilkesboro, even Bowman Gray back in the day, were races giving back to the fans. They might not of had the most prize money, but fans like that is what made them.
It is precisely, calls like that, that is costing NASCAR viewership. The original understanding of that rule was that the car can not go below the yellow line. Aside from that you were clearly allowed to put part of the car below the yellow line to avoid an accident. When the car started to come down on him and he avoided the accident he was following the rules. How come it is that everybody watching this can know that, except the people from Nascar?
These are very mild in my opinion. I was hoping it would be something akin to Barrichello being told to make way for Schumacher or Rossi kicking Marquez or Ogier slowing down on purpose to get a better starting position for the next stage.
Tires never went all the way under the yellow line
There was no reason that they had to run 5 laps under caution in the 04 Dega race, Vickers pretty much had no parts fly off and there was no report of fluid