Elden Ring Lore ▶ War & The Sword Monuments Explained
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- The drums of war echo across the Lands Between, and if it's the lore of war you want. Look no further.
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
1:13 - The War Against the Giants
3:18 - The Routing of the Ancient Dragons
4:52 - The First Liurnian War
5:31 - The Siege of Castle Morne
7:22 - The Second Liurnian War
8:20 - The Starscourge Conflict
9:04 - The Siege of Caria Manor
10:18 - The Assault on Volcano Manor
11:28 - The First Defense of Leyndell
13:09 - Godrick the Golden, Humiliated
13:52 - The Second Defense of Leyndell
14:49 - The Battle of Aeonia - Hry
You missed two sword monuments about Malenia and Godfrey.
This one is Liurnia:
This marks Malenia's southward march. The Blade of Miquella and her Cleanrot Knights Grant her wings never to be clipped.
This one is just as you enter Caelid:
Lord Godfrey, at last at the end of his campaign. His golden armies unvanquished and unbowed. Yet finds grace lost, tattered and faded.
Morgott in lore was absolutely wildly powerful. He never even used his true powers or true self, just an alias. Damn
Posting at 1 am.. you lucky i have a terrible sleep schedule
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I assume Rykard is at war only with Leyndell because 1) it’s his only neighbor and 2) the fact that he is a Carian royal himself (and who was in league with Ranni) might make him an ally for some other factions.
It makes sense that the Golden Lineage would want to weaken or eliminate the Carian Royals, especially after Radagon's involvement in destroying the Elden Ring.
Plus everyone in volcano manor regularly spouted blasphemy and made threats to burn the Erdtree to the ground.
Godrick, Rennala, Malenia and Mohg kept to themselves so Morgott had no reason to wage war with them. Everyone but Rykard assumed Ranni was dead, and Radahn wasn't leaving Caelid anytime soon, so Rykard was the only relevant threat to Leyndell.
I'm pretty sure he took the fall for the plot of the black knives, and that's why he's fighting leyndell, that's where godwyn was born. Ranni gave him something to fight Maliketh with should they ever fight. It also explains why he's considered so blasphemous compared to Ranni, and also why there's so many hands in caria manor
What a unique but in depth topic to start on. Not many people mention the sword monuments and you used it as a good place to lead into other topics, love this!
The Shattering is literally one of the most interesting war in video game in my opinion, I wish we had a little more to see. Reliving it would be awesome
Same with the war against the dragons (ds1), the war against the giants (ds2), the war against the angels (ds3), the first demon scourge (DeS), and so on.
But without a war of epic proportions before hand, how would we know who the legends are? It would also take away from the sense that we're fighting all of the characters as shadows of their past selves, only fragments of their once glorious power..
Regarding the lone survivor mentioned at Castle Morne, there's a straight sword which mentions a forgotten kingdom known as Eochaid. This blade also has a unique ash of war identical to that of the Bell Bearing Hunter's executioner's sword. It's possible there's a connection there with the hunter or, in the very least, the blade, having some connection to the lone survivor at Morne.
*Elemer of the briar's sword
The exectuioners sword was used by house marais, the house presiding over the shaded castle, elemer was to be executed there but somehow didnt, then he gave the sword his ash of war that is eochlaids dancing blade
I actually saw a video recently from Eredin called The History of Limgrave. He posits, and I agree, the lone hero was one of the Fringe Folk. Limgrave, prior to being conquered was called The Fringe, it was ruled by the Storm Lord (The spirit ashes you give to Nepheli are the Storm Lord's). After the Storm Lord was defeated Stormveil castle was built and one of the subjugated Fringe Folk used the Brick Hammer to stage a rebellion that would go on to play out the events detailed at Castle Morne and on the Grafted Blade. The video is very convincing and sites good evidence.
It's a reference to Berserk I believe, referencing the part where Guts fought 100 men alone.
@@atomicbaconbits6695 Cool. Never made that connection
@@atomicbaconbits6695 Looking like it's a little bit of both, all at the same time.
We can see the first defense of Leyndell in the story trailer. We see these giant stone poisonous bolts being hurled from behind Leyndell’s walls, the same bolts we see in the Altus Plateau. As well, the banners we see in the trailer show that it is Limgravian forces that are attacking Leyndell.
I don’t know if Morgott was already holding the throne in Leyndell, or if he was still hiding in the sewers during this.
I think the order of events is pretty much spot on till about the Shattering War. I'm not confident that the assault on Volcano Manor would be the first event, and instead, it's the First Defense of Leyndell.
The mention of a sovereign alliance makes me believe it's the first part of the war. It's the only mention of something an alliance having existed and I'd like to believe it would have crumbled early on since all demigods are warring against one another. There is nothing concrete to establish whether it happened first or not though.
Then I'd place the Second Defense of Leyndell, but there's likely a decent gap between the first and second. We know it must've been Radahn who laid siege on Leyndell and was repelled by Morgott. Radahn would also have to had time to lick his wounds back in Caelid before Malenia starts warring against him. Again, nothing super concrete, but I'll elaborate why I think the 2nd siege is more likely than Volcano Manor in the next one:
Then after the Second Siege of Leyndell, we have the assault on Volcano Manor. My main reasoning, while not entirely sound either, is the fact we still find Leyndell soldiers "occupying" themselves on Mt. Gelmir, though they're now cannibalizing their brethren. I'm aware the citizens of the Lands Between are immortal, but we don't have any traces left from the two defenses at this point in the game beyond the environmental damage.
Ultimately I think Volcano Manor assault is by far the hardest to place in the timeline imo. What I don't like about my suggested timeline is the idea that Leyndell would start an assault on Volcano Manor after having been sieged twice. However succesfull Leyndell was, it does take a toll. It would be strategically unwise to start assaulting Volcano Manor at this point imo.
Lastly I definitely think Godrick monumental comes right before the Battle of Aeonia. I take it as Malenia marching towards Radahn (which is actually a monument in Liurnia talking about Malenia's southward march) and besting Godrick on her way to him as he insults her.
Then she has the battle with Radahn and that's the last event of the Shattering.
TLDR; My take on Shattering War events: First Defense of Leyndell -> Second Defense of Leyndell -> Assault on Volcano Manor -> Godrick humiliated -> Battle of Aeonia
i personally think the first defence of Leyndell came before the siege of Gelmir, as i think there was an alliance initially of all the demigods Morgott names, including Rykard
That could certainly be the case!
I think they mention it somewhere that after defending leyndell they went to attack gelmir.
damn this man really knows when I want some lore before bed.
This is so informative and makes the fighting in this game more meaning. Radahn has to be the coolest video game mfr ever now
Showing your sources on the corner earned you my sub. Appreciate the 'footnotes'.
Edit: Also appreciate the 'maybe this, maybe that', where there is ambiguity or conflicting sources. One of my biggest gripes with some of the established voices in Soulsborne lore is videos including supposition as fact.
Love your videos! So calming and informative!
You're too kind! =D
Almost like a history channel for Elden Ring with a great narrator
Great video, as always, Jake! 🙂
I always looked at the monuments also being a nod to Miura, in honoured remembrance & to our Guts❤
I think your Leyndell's alliance overlooks "Bloody" which is likely a Mohg reference, especially considering Mohg kidnaps Miquella.
Another great video from start to finish, keep it up man!
Thank you! 😊
@@TheAshenHollowthank you for the great content 👍
This is some really good story telling, I love listening to you talk about the lands between
It pretty funny that Radagon was Marika and married Rennala, though they are two different beings and not. I do wonder if Radagon was made after Godfrey left as a way to fill up his strength and so the Greater will merged Red Hair Giants with Marika to make a powerful warrior that could fill in Godfrey empty slot. I do love they did a tribute for Berserk with the Sword Monuments
Bro uploaded at 1am and I’m still gonna watch it
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My boi Guts has left his mark on the lands between as has Miura on our hearts
Bruh. There are sword monuments in norway I think. Sverd and fjell is the name If I remember correctly. They Look much like the ones in game, so I think they are inspired from those in norway
Can't recall if I've said this but really enjoy your structuring and cinematic video to go with the audio. Might not be new but I noticed the source text was nice and non intrusive to the video as well
You know what i find funny the biggest threat to it was centuries later when you came along as (Spoiler to those who havent still played it yet) you set fire to the tree lol you did what the giants did not accomplish.
You know what i would love a dlc where you go to hidden large area or island where there are still giants and you can fight some and some respawn and you can re fight them.
But i would also like a item you can use to reset bosses in order to fight them again it half or quarters all rewards so you cant just farm them for boss items the reward would be to fight them again maybe test your builds on them.
And with those giant corpses dotted around they could have made it so some under a curse or raid dead curse would come alive and attack you wouldn't be as powerful as the boss maybe twice as much as the trolls. Would be awesome as i would like to fight more giants.
Ashen hollow does it again with covering what i wanted. Great job
You're too kind! 😊
Fantastic. This made me understand the story so mich better.
I imagine the Caelid batlle like a 3 world war happends but i don t think Miazaki preview that.
Awesome videos to help sleep and learn the lore, you are a life saver
Speaking of monuments, do you know how the large statues of Marika being crucified were made (such as those in the churches of marika)? Specifically, how do people on the outside know that Marika is crucified inside the erdtree if no one is allowed inside the thorns?
Someone (Radagon?) would have to be the one to spread the word about that, I guess?
It was my understanding that the statues and churches were built before the Shattering, since the description of the Sacred Tears we find there associate them with “the age of the Erdtree”-presumably the height of it’s power
If Marika is crucified, radagon's crucified too.
The statues just have her with her arms out as she's their Jesus figure. The randagon statues have a similar pose as well
@@Picmanreborn ill need to check that... but if thats true... it means that the crucifixions in limgrave have no conmection to marika and are just a form of punishment, but ALSO that crucifying marika in the erdtree is a means to both degrade her as a criminal AND to mock the statues of the people that saw her as a savior by binding her in the pose forever
@@michaelwerkov3438 yeah just I thought it was a form of punishment on both sides. Since Marika has a spear in her to mimic the picture of Jesus getting impaled by the spear of destiny.
And the people in limgrave are still alive too that's the crazy part about it 😭I don't know what you have to do in a world where literally everyone is a murderer to deserve to be crucified but they did something I guess
@@Ell_Pacino yeah I think you’re right about them being built beforehand. But her pose seems like the crucifixion pose to me, which makes even less sense if it was built before she was crucified.
The effigies of the martyr and the small golden effigies also depict a figure being crucified, so that symbol is obviously meaningful to the faithful but maybe that’s just a generic symbol not necessarily related to marika, like others have said.
Perfect video, I missed so many of those big swords
I love how you title the chapters of the video! It is just like old Arthurian legend titles (Le Morte D'Arthur does the same thing! It is very cute)
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thank you i was looking for this
Fantastic video dude
Top tier editing my guy. So much improvement on this channel
Glad you think so! =)
I take screenshots of these. Thank you for this so much.
Great video it had me teared up in the end 😅😅
The only people I trust is The giant turtle, the spirit tune up girl, the mutant blacksmith dude, and Boc.
BRAVO! Bravo Ashen One!
Very good..
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Love your videos my guy
Thanks dude! =D
These monuments make me weep because they remind me of the Hill of Swords from Berserk 💔💔
Late night post aye? Well gives me something to listen to while i go to bed.
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Amazing video! Loved the presentation and how it flowed. Videos like this are making elden ring one of my favorite games
Thank you! 😊
Been waiting for this one. May the sun bring you warmth and incandescence for many years
And also with you.
Great vid bro.😺
Thanks 😁
Yeah a video at 1 am is perfect for me and prolly most of the souls community lol great video btw
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Ngl seeing a non emaciated troll would be cool
At last! Ashen Hollow. We are blessed.
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I would kill to know what malenia actually sais to radahn before she blooms. He is still her brother after all and we see her mouth moving
You came in clutch. I'm drunk as hell so I woke up in the middle of the night dehydrated LMFAO 🤣 now I know what I'm going to watch to go back to sleep
Haha! Stay hydrated, my dude!
The only reason that the sword monument of The First Defence of Leyndell exist is because is an homage to Kentaro Muira.
Been waiting for someone to break this down properly for me! If I could resubscribe I would mate!
I saw the topic and clicked immediately thinking, "finally a topic I was curious about"
youre a vetran i saw recently your old soul lore video :)
i watched this without sound for a sick elden ring montage
Perfect for bedtime
Oh trifling giant made me laugh
I love this game so much. It's the logically conclusion of the direction of Dark Souls.
Maybe the grafted blade greatsword’s owner was someone from eochaid, as eochaid disappeared
Oh a bedtime story! Time to play it for me and the youngest
Sweet dreams!
Radagon left Renalla because of her goofy hat.
I don't know, I find Redahn besieging Leyndall had to believe. For one thing, why are Godrick's soldiers still there if their siege was fist but there is no sign of the Redmanes? Was the redmane army not broken like Godrick's was so it retreated in better order with fewer things and people left behind? It says Margit stacked the corpses of heroes high so it doesn't sound like it went well for whoever attacked the second time.
Hey ashen hollow, who do you think the brick hammer references?
Maybe in the DLC we can teleport to the past to experience this events
What’s the song playing at 10:46?
okay last video i made a mistake comenting, now i come with an offering of information, the first defense of leyndell, that would be most likely the first battle of the shattering, the alliance the monument talks was between all the shardbearers minus mogh, the spectral thrones in morgott's cutscene are most likely the thrones (or the memory of said thrones) that they held in that time, probably someone inside the council (my bet its godrick seeing that he has a knight that uses blood skills) worked with mogh to mess things
Finally I have more proof to show a friend that insists every sword monument is a berserk reference.
Nice video! I like your voice
Thank you! 😃
Where the preview picture can be found? If someone has link please!
Personally I don't think Radahn fought or invaded Leyndell but I'm still open to that theory.
The main issue I have is there is no context or information backing up Radahn and morgott's fight other than that 1 picture which looks like an artist's interpretation. We don't know the outcome where or why they fought. The vague sword memorial description only tells us the alliance fell apart stating "traces yet remain of bloody conspiracy" I'll get back to this later.
Morgott is only mentioned in the 2nd defense and all other sword memorials show some form of "leftovers" after the event. For example the giant dragon corpse in the capital, Leyndell troops in Gelmir when they failed their attack, Stormveil's old emblem on the flags are still there in the capital outskirts battlegrounds, a cleanrot knight can be fought in Liurnia when Malenia passed by. We don't see anything Redmane related in Altus Plateau further pushing this idea away.
An interesting thing to note is Tiche's spirit ashes as it reads
"Tiche was one of the assassins who, on the night of the plot, imbued her black knife with the Rune of Death and slew Godwyn the Golden. She was the daughter of the Black Knife Ringleader, Alecto, and was killed protecting her mother during their flight from the royal capital."
This tells us the Black Knifes were caught and had to retreat, and we can find a Black Knife assassin right outside the capital in the general area as the sword memorial further supporting the idea that the memorial and the first defense was based around the Black Knifes and Godwyn. The Demigods most likely suspected each other for the event and the alliance was disbanded which then lead to the drawing happened since the artist could have imagined only Radahn being able to slay Godwyn who had the feat of fighting dragons and the veiled monarch (Morgott) causing a retreat.
The "bloody conspiracy" mentioned in the sword monuments likely refers to Godwyn's murder by the black Knives and Ranni. While playing the game we later learn that Ranni caused the events, she modeled her doll after the mentor and named herself Renna to hide her true status.
I think these scenarios happened.
1: Godefroy and Godfrey attacked Leyndell individually as the first and second defense.
2: Radahn and Stormveil attacked seperately (No leftovers from Radahn's army makes this less likely that he was the 2nd but then it also wouldn't be "bloody conspiracy" since people would know he attacked.) Stormveil would make up the 2nd defense
3: Morgott started accusing all the demigods and kicked them all out since definite proof couldn't be placed on anyone specific. Stormveil would be the 2nd defense.
4: The night of the Black Knives made up the first defense while Stormveil made up the 2nd defense. (Right now I believe this one the most since both have remains in the same areas as their respective memorials and there isn't contradictions)
5: Godrick hid in Leyndell (not consistent with Kenneth's story since the capital is not a castle) and Morgott ended up jumping Radahn, Stormveil still makes up the 2nd defense.
From my undestanding, Godrick was in the capital when Radahn sieged it, and thus fleed from Radahn to Stormveil, while Morgott crawled out of the sewers to defend the Erdtree, and then fought Radahn in battle. We don't know if the fight went the way that is portrayed in the opening slide(could be artistic freedom), maybe Morgott jumped Radahn, or maybe he is stronger than Radahn, we don't know, because not even the inhabitants of the world know, almost nobody knew about morgott, he was imprisioned his whole life. What Kenneth said: "Honestly, Godrick’s no more than a jumped up country bumpkin. Lord? Don’t make me laugh. First he hid himself amongst the womenfolk to flee the capital, then hid from Radahn in that castle". If he fled the capital, then hid from Radahn, it is clear that Radahn was at the capital, why would he flee south(near Caelid) otherwise?
And that picture is shown exactly when the narrator says that Marika's offspring fought, I don't think it would show us that picture without reason.
Godfrey wouldnt have attacked his own capital he wouldve been long banished by the shattering and the wars it brought
Godfrey also had help from knights of Zamor
Everyone uses everyone, what's to say radagon only married renela either as some arranged marriage, or knowing he would have children and be called back regardless, just pondering
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The war of all time
I could also see the alliance rotting referring to Melania and maybe her views on leaving the golden order, like the final straw, cuz she saw how weak godrick was, yet he had some marginal success.
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hard to find lore videos on new stuff. way to find one in plain sight that no one talks about.
Day 1 of asking ashen to do a video on the tarnished
Godwyn sounds like he is radagon in his prime, and probably looks like him
It's like they're trying to make it hard to remember, with all the females' names beginning with "M" and the "God___" gang,. Unnecessary barrier to entry.
Love this! Listening in bed.
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Rennala was a champion, but was so broken hearted she just gave up I guess
I'd imagine peace would have to be struck between Liurnia and Leyndell before the Golden Host could do anything in Limgrave. Also I assumed the assault of Volcano Manor followed the second defense of Leyndell as that battle is still ongoing and mobilizing troops to another battlefield on the otherside of an enemy army would defy possibility. The Rotting Alliance actually refers to all The Sovereign Alliance which consisted of Godrick, Ranni, Rykard, Radahn, Miquella, and Malenia and Morgott as king. It rotted because everyone started acting on their own agendas. Ranni vanished as far as they know, Rykard ditched out and started blaspheming, Godrick with Godefroy tried to attack the capital, then Radahn ditched the capital to chase Godrick but never came back, Miquella's sneaking off to make his own tree and Malenia is his perpetual follower.
Ranni's place is kinda weird though. Morgott mentions her by name and lumps her in with the others being traitors, based on Rogier's questline no one knew she was involved in the Black Knife Plot, but this alliance of demigods must have formed _after_ the Elden Ring was shattered and Marika vanished, which happened after Ranni's death. So what's the story there? Ranni just sat down with the other "okay, so, I kinda got assassinated but managed to hide my soul in a doll..." and then _still_ did something treacherous after putting herself out in the open like that? What did she even stand to gain?
@@Photoloss Yeah, they didn't know she was involved or really what happened to her. Morgott was likely intending all the remaining Demi-gods fall in line but giving them a seat as a council would be an olive branch to preserve unity. Ranni not even showing up would immediately taint the strength of the alliance.
I could honestly imagine Morgott places a lot of the blame for the alliance failing at her feet. "Everyone would have been more onboard if we had all stood together."
@@Writh811 Doesn't make sense if she vanished after the Night of the Black Knives. Even stubborn old Morgott can't fault her for *dying* unless she showed herself afterwards. Which we know she did at some point as she had a Great Rune and was known to Gideon.
And obviously had Morgott known the full truth he would have had some more choice words for her instead of lumping her in with Radahn and Malenia.
@@Photoloss I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm saying Morgott does not know what happened to Ranni. He sent her an invite to join his little alliance not realizing what happened to her and never finds out. As far as he knows she just tossed his letter in the trash and never showed up. He thinks she is still fully alive somewhere just snubbing him. The thrones were likely made in preparation (and under the assumption) that everyone would show up and join Morgott's efforts. We don't know when Ranni got her Great Rune. Like you said, she had one. Gideon knows she had a Great rune she cast aside but even he doesn't mention her current status indicating that aside from Ranni's inner circle, no one knows where she is or what she is doing. This casting aside also would have had to happen on or before the night of black knives as she has no body to contain the Great Rune nor does she want it because it is part of the Greater Will/ Fingers and the whole point of killing her body was sever all ties to those entities. Heck the age of stars ending sees the Elden Ring destroyed.
But I definitely don't think all the Great Runes were gained during the sovereign alliance otherwise why does Mohg have one but was not even mentioned as a member of the alliance or at all by Morgott.
@@Writh811 The issue there is that as far as I'm aware all retellings agree that the Night of the Black Knives happened *FIRST.* Including Ranni's death, which as far as we can tell needed to happen almost at the same time as Godwyn's for that split half-death ritual to work. _Then_ some time later Marika shattered the Elden Ring and was immediately imprisoned with no one knowing what happened to her, and only after that the political rulership collapsed and the demigods claimed their Great Runes as "shards" of the Elden Ring. We know Marika and Radagon both removed runes prior to that without shattering the Ring first (Destined Death and Rebirth respectively) but the demigods are explicitly referred to as "shardbearers" and I don't think any source claims they received their Great Runes as gifts from Marika or the like.
So...who made the sword monuments?
I never processed that it's written by The Victors until you just fucking said it how am I that stupid
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WHAT IF GODFREY ATOLE MALENIAS ARM
I mean God Rick big oopsie
So its not related to velka like all your other stuff :P
so morgott is more powerful then radahn who is on equal footing to malenia. So morgott is more powerful than malenia?
Morgott likely won through a combination of tactics/defender's advantage, superior technology, stronger magic(/faith in the Erdtree as the dominant power) and possibly numbers especially if the Gelmir slugfest took place later unlike what the video assumes.
The scene from the opening strikes me as more of a symbolic act to uphold morale on Morgott's part rather than a decisive battle. Morgott is wielding his cane rather than the unsealed sword and Radahn isn't using his gravity magic either.
Who knows exactly when these fights took place. 1 month apart? 10 years apart? 100 years apart? It's silly to think they reached one level of power and then never changed, or that circumstances in battle were the same for each and every fight.
@@Bloody_crow Well we know Radahn was absurdly powerful even in his youth when he conquered the stars, and well trained too. Meanwhile Morgott was chained underground for quite a while and had basically zero personal support. Morgott could still have a really good day and win every now and then but I think it's fair to say Radahn was more powerful at most times and in most aspects of personal strength.
@@Photoloss Sure. Morgott still won a battle against him.
@@Bloody_crow Yes. I assume he won the _battle_ not a _duel._
Makes complete sense why morgott was so hard as a first boss, went toe to toe with radun and won
Thy dismissal of the great Leonard is blasphemous beyond even a rykard. Maybe varre was right.. /j
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Lore to sleep too ?
did anyone else thing the sword monuments were just berserk references?
The sword monument by the Stormcaller Church says Godwyn died fighting the dragons. He was already undead when Ranni killed him on the Night of Black Knives.
Everyone tries to twist what this says because they don't want to deal with the implication that Godwyn was already dead
He didn't fight THEM to the last. He fought to the last. Which means he died fighting.
You took what it actually said and flipped it on its head. Fortissax isnt dead. Godwyn is. Why would you claim Godwyn killed Fortissax?
"To the last" does not necessarily mean he actually died. That scenario would definitely qualify of course but fighting until you pass out and the enemy spares you would work too. Or him being the last man standing.
@@Photoloss look. Someone doing exactly what I said. Twisting the meaning of simple phrases to make their theory work.
Instead of saying "I must have been wrong" you try and ignore new evidence so your original hypothesis remains unchallenged.
Nope. The monument says he fought to the last. That means he died. Why is it so hard?
It makes more sense if he died here... That explains the soulless demigod mausoleums. It explains castle Sol. It explains why Marika and everyone else teamed up to take him down. Why Ranni went for him specifically.
It explains why Marika broke death away from the elden ring to begin with.
Or you can keep pretending that Rogier is the ultimate source of information in Elden Ring...
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