Rotax Engine Failure - Flying Impressive Sling2 LSA in SoCal
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Omar seems like the best kind of instructor in terms of knowledge, tone, and personality. Not ever flying is gonna be my only regret in life. Excellent video….new subscriber.
I would fly a piper sport LSA (rotax engine) when I lived in CO and to this day it is still my favorite plane I have flown. LSAs are way underrated! Nice video!
When I was around 10 or so me and my dad and our friend got to meet and talk to Mr.Hoover at the Indy air show. He was there doing the Shriek commander display for Evergreen.....he talked to us for. Good 45 minutes telling lots of great although windy stories about him and Mr. Yeager ....what a great thing for a young aviation enthusiast to experience
As a former g.a.line service tech at ONT and CNO, I really appreciate your videos.
I know this video ended up as a carb and not an ignition problem. But I want to tell my little story and maybe someone can learn from it. A couple years ago I borrowed my buddy's 1982 C-152. My son was in the left seat and I was giving him a lesson.
After the run-up, the mag check was perfect. During the takeoff roll but before liftoff, I looked at the tach and noticed the engine wasn't producing full power, maybe 2400 rpm. Some might attribute the low rpm to high-density altitude, but something in my gut told me otherwise. I aborted the takeoff and we taxied back.
While taxing back at about 1000 rpm I did a simple mag check. Wouldn't you know one of the mags was dead? From the time we did the full mag check until we tried to take off, one mag died. No more than one or two minutes had elapsed.
The lesson I learned: Trust your gut and be conservative. Always make sure you are developing full power, even if you take high-density altitude into account. A mag can die in a heartbeat, just like a person. I now do occasional mag checks at random when taxing always double checking that the mags are back on both.
This is all the more reason to do a mag check by first going to the far mag, back to both, then the close mag, back to both. This avoids the potential of taking off on one mag by accident. Yesterday i commented on this below. Safe and happy flying everyone.
Don’t fly a plane from 1982. If it crashes people will be like “ figures”
Ricardo montalban 1982 is considered newer in aviation terms. I’m training in a ‘72 Cessna 172. I would feel safe flying in a 45 club as long as it’s well maintained and passes all preflight checks.
@@Gameisis Yeah, planes don't age like cars. It's perfectly normal to fly a '70s era plane.
I own a motorglider and I do the same, however, I do it slightly differently. I do the mag check as you'd expect before takeoff. I check the full engine RPM as soon as its applied and watch it closely. Before shutting it down in the air I'll do one more mag check to be sure they both are still working. If I need the engine later, it's nice to know it was shut down in full working order. Note: we never use the engine as a get out of jail free card. Never.
Great job showing the EGT/CHT meters during that engine recheck sequence. Would have loved unfiltered cabin audio for this (rare) case.
you capture the feeling of flying better than anyone else . .....thanks.
Thanks so much for this great feedback! My goal is to have the viewer feel immersed and onboard with me
FlightChops What's your stance on the Earth's shape? Flat or round?
@@savage101. it's square
LSA's can be a lot of fun. I just got an RV-12 and am loving it. I'm glad you found the engine issue on the ground in the first plane.
Had my first ever training flight earlier this week in a Sling2, was epic fun!
I recently realized that I will probably not be able to become an airline pilot(which has been my dream pretty much my entire life), but watching your videos makes me realize that I can still pursue my passion through GA/helicopter flying. It's not the same but it's beautiful in its own very unique way. I can't thank you enough for the effort you put into making these videos. You truly are an inspiration for the next generation of aviators. :)
lately, i started volunteering at the legacy flight museum. the first time i had been to the museum prior to my volunteering, i notice a familiarly yellow P51 mustang. IT WAS OLE YELLER! Bob Hoover had graciously donated his airplane to John Bagley who currently owns the aircraft. now i have taken care of that ole yeller and every spot it marks its territory.
His a great CFI for reals.:. I like how relaxed he is ...
O'BEN means a lot man! Thank you!!
This was amazing, great job Flight Chops!
Nice video! I am building a Sling 4 in Ottawa :) Great flying machines!
What a great video and real life example for how crucial detailed pre-flight checks are. nice!
Love your content man. Haven't been able to fly lately due to sultry weather so your videos are highly appreciated!
If it ain't spark, it's fuel, air, or compression. 😉 Glad that happened on the run-up, and not in the air! 👍
Great video as always. I always learn something new on each one!
I watch your videos all the time. Torrance's my home base and I fly in the sling exclusively. It's awesome to see you on this video
Nice video and instructive. My problem with Rotax had always been its tendency to flood if not really careful.
I'm a pilot in South Africa, pretty cool to see our fellow aviators doing so well in the USA!
You can spot that South African accent a mile away ;)
Haha, my ears caught it straight away as well. Where are you based Martin? I have a medical booked for next Friday and hopefully start PPL training soon after. I'm in PE.
@martin jy kan so ja! Dis amazing te sien hoe hulle in die States met ons aerie speel
Biltong and hippo poop
I'm a big fan of Eugene Terre'Blanche.. Hope you get your country back. Down with Malema!
@@Bentz5000 where in pe ? Algoa ? Madiba ?
Another great video! I feel like I learn so much every time I watch one. Simultaneously entertaining and educational. Many thanks!
The best way to spend 19:10 of my day! Thanks Chops, keep up the awesome video's!
Not when you were looking for a proper engine failure and forced landing in a sling , and find this where there is a carb problem at the holding point 🙈🙈 also why did he shut down ? They still need to take it back to the hangers 🤓
Nice. I've never had a mag problem in any of my runups. Light Sport Aircraft seem like a lot of fun! I just posted my first IFR training video to my own channel, and hope to see more IFR lessons from you as well. Keep the excellent content coming, and next time you're in the Bay Area again it'd be fun to hang out!
I did my PPL in South Africa and recently I got the opportunity to fly the Sling 2 with the 912is fuel injected (and toe brakes!) when I went back to South Africa in February. It’s a great little (and efficient) aircraft and I’m glad it’s getting popular in the States! When you can see fuel touching the bottom tip of tank below the fuel cap the fuel level is at 1/2, because the tank is at an angle.
Marvelous visibility in that cockpit.
Big thank you FlightChops for another great video
I was taxiing behind N169TW at Zamperini about six hours ago… Cool!
Good day Sir Chops! I love all the variety on your channel. Keep 'em coming! One thing I would like to see more of, is videos on this same subject; LSA's, ultralights, maybe even a trike. Ultralights and LSAs are a good way for the financially challenged to enjoy the thrill of aviation, and many get into certified later on. I think it is a great way to help build the GA community.
Great videos man. They get me fired up to fly every time.
Really cool video! I live right around there, and Zamperini field is my favorite airport. I have also taken a tour of the Robinson factory, so it was really cool to see those buildings and locations in your video
Beautiful episode , plus Flying in Mr Hoovers home town.....WOW!!!! Great descriptive flying, plus awesome landings . These videos are such a possitive support for the aviation community, as always receiving so much from your videos bro.
you are honestly my favorite aviation channel of all time! I currently live in Calgary and I am a student at the Calgary flying club. I am getting my PPL and you are my main source motivation that keeps me flying and training. I learn SOOOOO MUCH from your videos! I should be flying solo by mid June and that would not be possible without your channel as you are what mainly got me into aviation. Thank you so much for motivating me to keep flying everyday. keep up the amazing work.
Right on! Thanks for this great feedback. And congrats on your progress! If all goes according to plan June will also be a big month for me - I am hoping to be soloing the Harvard / T6 by then! YIKES!
Keep in touch through your training.
That's awesome! hope you are looking forward for June as much as I am. looking forward for the next video! keep up the great work.
Thanks for the neat video once again! The Rotax is really neat until it fails without prior warning, a fellow student pilot (successfully) ditched his Katana into the Adriatic a few miles out from LDDU back in 2009...
Enjoyed the video. Flying in my neck of the woods, Zamperini. Been to many airshowstuff and watched Bob Hoover do his magic. Your being able to fly a lot of different aircraft types is good experience. Keep flying safe.
I am a huge fan of your channel and a recent owner of a Baron A55. I hope that one day I will be able to fly with you. Keep it up and thank you for being an outstanding ambassador for general aviation. Dr. Daniels
This was very interesting, Steve. I can relate as well. Over four years ago I was flying a Rotax powered Tecnam P2002jf when the same thing happened. Lost cylinders just as I had turned final however, but got to the runway safely thankfully.
I currently fly the sling 2 for my RPL, sling 8489 and sling 8592 out of YBAF, it’s a great aircraft and I love going up in it.
Flew a sling 2 last month for the first time right here in Port Elizabeth South Africa. Smooth and great experimental rated light sport aircraft. Kudos to the designers.
Met Bob Hoover during his Tasmania SKYRACE flying back in the mid 90’s. Have a pic of him and my other half with Bob signing a program for me. I must have all his flying demos on S-VHS tapes, at the time I did not appreciate just how skilled and important a pilot Bob was. My video tapes of him now have a whole new meaning. Enjoying your flying stories too, well put together, informative and interesting. Regards from ‘down under’, ex RAF medic. when the Hunter, Canberra, & Lightning were leading the way in jets.🇦🇺🔭🎹📸🔬📡👍
Oh lol never been this early on a FlightChops Video, gotta use this opportunity now I guess... You're great steve keep it up, you really inspire me! :D
Haha - wow yeah - your comment was less than 1 minute after I pressed "publish" :)
Loving your videos! Chuck
Omar is a good instructor. 👍🏼
BBarnes thanks!
What little flight training i had was in a plane similar to this (in shape, not in technology), powered by a Rotax 912ULS. It's a very easy engine to manage, especially since it doesn't have a mixture control.
Thanks for showing and documenting the ignition problem you ran into during run up. It is good to see that things don't always go to plan, and how you worked to understand the issue to be able to explain it to the A&P mechanic. This is where having an engine monitor is very useful. Otherwise, you could only say it runs rough on the right mag. Thanks again for keeping it real!
It wasn't an ignition problem. It was a carburetor problem.
Skooppa True....it was determined to be a carb problem. Was just making the statement that the issue seem to present itself during the mag/ignition check. Had they not had an engine monitor, it would have been harder for everyone to diagnose the problem. Being a Lycoming guy, I did not realize there were two carbs on the Rotax.
I just can't believe that it's 2018 and carburetors are still being sold in any kind of vehicle that's made to carry human beings, it's insane. There is the 912 iS, but it's probably pretty pricey.
Misinformation is rampant on the internet. Carburetors work, and have worked well for OVER a century in everything from automobiles, to boats, to motorcycles, to airplanes, to lawn equipment & other outdoor power equipment, and continue to do so, and WILL continue to do so. How did the world survive the first 84 years of the automobile on just carburetors? Well, they worked!
Carbs get a bad rap from those who don't understand their inner workings, and the ethanol the American government mandates in motor fuel. Ethanol's love for water wreaks havoc on carburetors, yet, is less noticeable in fuel injected vehicles (makes you wonder if this was done on purpose?). That said, mechanical failures such as the float issue in this aircraft, happen occasionally. Would it be any different if a fuel injected aircraft, or automobile, experienced a computer failure, clogged injector, failed fuel pump, or chaffed / shorted wire that killed spark AND fuel? Not really. In a mechanical world, failures happen - that's why pilots train for engine-outs.
To tell you the truth, as an auto mechanic, I trust stuff built 30-100 years ago much more than anything built today, at least regarding ground-based vehicles. I can't speak for aircraft ... although the average piston aircraft is WELL over 4 DECADES old in general aviation. Automobiles, outdoor equipment, boats, etc. etc., used to be OVER-built with pride - something sorely lacking in today's vehicles.
Working and working well are two different things. I've not only been working on cars for nearly 20 years, but I started driving when many cars on the road still had carbs, I wouldn't go back to those abominations if you paid me to. Starting was always hit or miss, they GUZZLED fuel (even small, gutless engines), they stink because the mixture is never right, the engines have no power because the mixture is never right, or is inconsistent from cylinder to cylinder, they're cantankerous in varying weather conditions, the electric chokes would fail and stick closed, I've had cars die on me when going over bumps because the carb sloshes fuel from the float bowl into the engine.... the list goes on and on. Carbs should have gone extinct and been forgotten forever.
"How did the world survive the first 84 years of the automobile on just carburetors?"
We had nothing better at the time that was cheap. When microprocessors fell in price significantly enough, fuel injection was the only fuel delivery system that made any sense.
Ethanol has nothing to do with how awful carbs are, and it's *your* lack of understanding that's led you to believe this.
I'm not saying that it can't happen, but I've NEVER encountered a failure that prevented the engine from running with a fuel injection system. When built properly, electronic systems are vastly more reliable than mechanical systems.
"To tell you the truth, as an auto mechanic, I trust stuff built 30-100 years ago much more than anything built today..."
Do you deal with mainly American vehicles, by any chance? Modern vehicles seem to have no issue lasting two to three times longer than anything that was built 30 years ago. Hell, the cars and trucks from the '70s that I drove when I was a teenager didn't even have odometers that went past 99,999 miles, because they weren't expected to last that long. Nowadays, cars have no trouble making to 300,000 miles if properly taken care of.
Steve, you ARE inspiring the next generation, as well as entertaining and delighting the previous generations. I've seen Bob Hoover a couple of times, his Energy Management Routine is something that every pilot should see and understand, particularly multi-engine pilots.
If I was getting back into flying, the Sling would be an awesome 'Weekend Flyer' for that $100 hamburger up or down the coast, but obviously wouldn't be a long distance flyer. Josh Flowers also has a review of the Sling. Would be a fun airplane to own.
Thanks for putting us in the left seat again, it's always fun to fly with you!
Thanks Gary!
Gary C - I believe you’re wrong about the long distance flyer bit. We have a Sling 2 and a Sling 4 at our aero club (Ballarat, Victoria, Australia). The Sling 4 has taken a family of 4, plus their dog, plus baggage all the way to Far North Queensland and back (over 2,000 miles each way), and down the full length of western Tasmania (again, well over 500 miles) with legs in both cases limited only by “bladder capacity”. The Sling 2 has flown most of western New South Wales and northern South Australia - again with 500 to 800 miles range. Both cruise at about 115 knots. The Sling 2 burns about 19 litres = 5 gallons per hour, with 140 litres = 36 gallons on board; the Sling 4 - 115 HP Turbo Rotax - burns about 25 to 27 litres (6 to 7 gallons) per hour, with (from memory) 180 + litres = 48 gallons (?) on board. Comfortable seating, plenty of room, good overnight baggage storage and 6 hours’ cruise plus reserves on board - what more do you want?
@@warwickkinscher5986 I don't recall the reasoning for the sentiment, but it may have been something other than fuel burn. Other factors to take into account, like comfort can come into play.
A Cessna 172 has a 600-700 mile range, but I don't want to sit in it for five hours at a time!
But, it's been a year ago since I posted that comment, I don't remember what it was all about, sorry.
Gary C No problems; We also have a Cessna 172 which is a good cruiser. It’s just that I have really enjoyed flights in the two Slings, but Simon has put well over 300 hours up on his Sling 4 in the slightly less than 3 years since he completed it, flying the full length of the east coats of Australia with his family and / or friends. It’s a great all-round aircraft. But I agree - legs on a flight are governed by the needs for food and / or bladder relief rather that the aircraft’s capabilities - as long as one remembers to always check the fuel left and make sure it’s sufficient till the next fuel bowser including fuel for not only reserves but also contingencies (diversions, last light, weather, etc.)
Just saw this video, had the same thing happen to me in one of my local club's Tecnam P92s, ignition check and the left side was misfiring. Shut down, took it to the mechanic and I changed aircraft. I found out the following week that one of the ignition modules was dead, and I'm glad I made the right call.
Great Video thank you, I need to tryout out a Sling2 sometime soon, I'm surprised that the floats became sticky.
Nice job Omar (sp?)! Good instruction and great in front of the camera.
John os the man. Great to see Steve flying the slings. Beautiful aircraft
I am back! Was in the hospital for a while. Just got out. I love this Sling! I looked really touchy to fly, especially on approach.
I had the privilege of watching Bob Hoover fly his routine a few times also had the privilege of having him as a guest when we lived in Jamaica and he was a ferry pilot for Rockwell. it was a great gentleman an awesome pilot he had a storied career and he was as humble a man as you would ever want to meet. It greatly upset me when I learned the news of how they went after his ticket!
Another great one Steve. I trained at Hawthorne Airport (KHHR) and have used that practice area more times than I can count. Some days, it's incredible how many airplanes are out there at once - and mainly students! I've had a few really close calls there. If you haven't gone yet, definitely take a trip over the water to Catalina island for lunch when you're back down here. One of the best things to do here in SoCal. If you need an airplane, I can always fly ya in our Cardinal ;)
I also didn't realize Bob Hoover lived in PV for so long... I wonder how that isn't a 101 "discovery" flight lesson for every student over the area. Sacred ground indeed. I remember I first heard of Bob Hoover when my father told me he did a cross country in a T-38 when in the Air Force to go see Hoover fly at an airshow in Florida in 1970 - one of his best memories. Thanks for the reminder and for anyone who doesn't know Bob Hoover, watch the "Flying the Feathered Edge" documentary. He was the absolute best.
Keep it up!
AWESOME! Pretty cool to see you fly out of KTOA thats where I am currently doing my PPL
Flight hops because of you I head about super cubs and I searched on Up and I ended up getting a flight in it
Thank you for a wonderful video. I really love your channel. Thank you for all your effort.
Awesome video you always do great videos
Hi Steve you and Omar both wear really nice watches. Good taste👍. Nice video. Really showed me the Sling. Faster approaches than I anticipated at 70.
Tyrone van Wyk hey thank you!
Steve, when was this? I flew over on the 21st will post video next week.
One of the nicest LSA's out there. Glass Panel is the finishing touch. Gonna have to add that to the list of dream aircraft.
I got to meet Mr. Hoover at Oskosh around 1982 when I was 14. He was doing a routine in a twin commander with one engine out.
Hey man! Great video. If you ever want to come fly a weight shift control trike ( powered hang glider) in New York, let me know. I'm a CFI and fly the Adirondacks at Lake George and the beaches of the Hamptons. Blue skies!
Crazy Bob Hoover!. "Gentlemen,, you have a race!!", as I grew up going to The Reno circuit every year. Heck of a show he did at Reno. Never got tired of it and always looked forward to seeing the Shrike do the things it did. We had a Mount ST Helens Volcano flights Cessna 210 loose a mag AND carb at run-up with a full load of tourists. The motor actually sputtered and died on the spot. Not good. We fetched the other one and got them there paid-for ride around the volcano.
KTOA - love that place, got my PPL from there in ‘99. Also, I’m very impressed with Rotax engines. Recently flew one attached to a Rans S-6 1000 miles from Austin to Salt Lake City.
Thanks for the ride.
Great! The aircraft that my flight school uses for PPL Training uses the Rotax engine too! It’s a Tecnam P2002JF aircraft.. in our cockpit we have prop RPM instead of engine RPM because as the CFI said in the video, the engine has a gearbox RPM reduction
"Yeah u on the ground." THAT is a smooth greaser! 1st time ever in a Sling to boot how awesome is that?!
Wish we had the LSA category in Canada. Sadly, our Advanced Ultralight (AULA) category means we automatically lose 88 lbs of useful load due to the max gross being limited to 1232 lbs.
Watching your videos makes me miss flying so much. II have not flown since 95. I could not afford it anymore. Keep up the great videos.
How about the Quickie Q1? 😮😅
Yaay Long Beach Practice Area! I've spent many hours there in my early years :) great video!
Bob Hoover pouring a drink in the cockpit is a great video, he really understood his environment.
I’ve done some training with Pacific Skies out of KTOA! Great airport. All of my training now is out of KFUL but I still occasionally make short flights over there. It’s a great airport to practice crosswind landings at. That mountain right next to it can creat all sorts of good challenges!
Neat little plane. Looks like fun!
It was great to see you at Sun 'n Fun.
Hey man! Great video. If you ever want to come fly a weight shift control trike ( powered hang glider) in New York, let me know. I'm a CFI and fly the Adirondacks at Lake George and the beaches of the Hamptons. Blue skies!
awesome video man impressive teacher
Another superb video Steve. I fly an EV-97 Eurostar microlight which also has a Rotax up front. They are great engines and 100HP in a 450kg MTOW microlight is a pretty amazing power to weight ratio. Keep the vids coming - you're an inspiration for my own little channel here in the UK. (And I agree with the previous poster about a Netflix series!)
I got to fly my first Rotax earlier this year when i brought one back to Ohio from California, It was a real pleasure to fly, and the electric prop was the cats meow!
Love the Slings. Thatgs what i fly in the local airfield in Australia!
Love this channel! How do you fly on a budget? I am new to flying and am trying to get more hours on a budget, any ideas would be awesome! Thanks man!
Good to see my home country South Africa in the aviation world! Really awesome little aircraft to fly
I saw Bob Hoover's power off aerobatic show live in person. It was amazing.
Me too. Saw him perform in northern Wisconsin back in the early 1980s when I had just started flying. He flew both the P-51 and the Commander that day. The dude was incredible.
I tried a Sling LSA on a BFR last year. The engine stopped about two miles from the airport on return from a fun 90 minute flight. I got the aircraft down safely, but the owner/ instructor froze up. The problem was fuel contamination (dirt). Other than that, it was a pleasure to fly and I had never before flown in an aircraft with a canopy. Fabulous flight (aside from the engine failure).
When I was learning to fly around 2017 ..few flight school had slings and lots of had accident. Mostly when they try to do steep turn .. some instructors said it's the problem with the sling design. Is it still a problem?
“Don’t over fly the airplane”. That’s sound CFI advice. Great video. Well done all around.
Sling is really an amazing aircraft to fly.
I had one side of the ignition quit in flight. 80hp Rotax 912UL. It was the wire going from the magneto to one side of the electronic ignition module. There was a connector that must have come loose somewhere inside. Never did find the break, but cut out the connector and soldered the wires directly together and it worked perfect. Had a stumble/ vibration at idle 3 years later. Changed plugs and that fixed that. Had a little rumble in cruise this year and had to rebuild the 2 carbs - O-rings on jets etc.
balancing is a must on the 912. vibration kills engines
I lived near Bob Hoover. He would do a loop or roll over his house in his P-51 before heading back to Torrance airport. Watched him do a dead-stick loop-to-landing there too. Smooth as glass. Godspeed, Mr. Hoover.
Carb floats now have two ads on them..had exactly the same issue in a sling4. And yes we were complying with the weighing of floats in services, it just appeared one flight on closing throttle after landing...very lucky. That being said with new float (version 3) have had over 100 hours with no issues. Rotax and sling, two great products.
Thank god today has flight chops.
Delightful video! Fascinating.
Excellent video! would love to see you do a video on a Sling 4!
Beautiful aircraft beautifully filmed yet again. Looks like so much fun to fly and I’m guessing easy on gas?! Cool chops😎👌🇳🇿
instructor has nice calm demeanour with PF
Cool video, enjoyed watching!!!
Enjoyed the video. Stay safe.
I started my training on the sling 2 I seriously prefer it over the C172. That control stick and throttle, low wing and glass cockpit is just perfectly designed for the pilot. If I could, I definitely buy one just for fun flying
I had the joy of flying both a Tecnam Sierra -another light sport - and (under supervision) a Tecnam p2006t using Rotax units. They're not bad, Fuel injection makes life soooo much easier 👍
Great episode 👌🏼
Love ur vids flight chops. U ever gonna the fly the Bristell? It’s a Czech plane but was wondering because it’s a great plane and I love how you make ur vids so I know that you would make a good vid about it. Fingers crossed.
Highly recommend watching : “ Flying The Feathered Edge “, Bob Hoover , Harrison Ford , I needed a lot of tissues though.
"It's a great day in southern California...." Got to love that southern California weather 😁
Where we need an IR 5 minutes at a time just to pop through the marine layer.
Great video!