I'd Rather Sleep ☼ Squirrelflight
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- čas přidán 7. 11. 2020
- ANOTHER video? Omg two in a week, such a rarity. I'm going to try to finish up a full PMV next, but I have some MAP parts to finish first. These memes have been fun though and really motivate me for longer projects.
Edit: I originally said I was going to delete comments supporting Bramblestar, but instead I’m deciding to leave them up for people to discuss this and hopefully clarify things about Bramble and Squirrel’s relationship. I got many comments over night, including a few sympathizing with him (which people already flocked to) so it’s convinced me to leave them up. Please just be respectful to one another, that’s all I ask.
I believe this is the original? Unsure, correct me if I'm wrong: • i’d rather sleep // or...
Moonkitti's Bramblestar video: • Bramblestar is Worse
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I love how the entire fandom has finally realized just how toxic Bramble is, and is completely tearing him to shreads
YASSS
Mmhm
I always hated bramble and I always knew he was toxic cuz I recognized the behavior of my mentally abusive and manipulative ex
YESS
Yessssss
It hurt me so much that the first thing that made squirrelflight suspicious of bramblestar was that he was super clingy and cuddly with her. Like, that hurt
I agree. It shouldve been the opposite if they were in a healthy relationship. Even semi-healthy.
Now I’m just imagining the impostor trying to be friendly to Squirrelflight and her being all like “you’re not usually this nice to me” and the impostor just saying “sis whAT HOW HAS THIS MAN BEEN TREATING YOU QUEEN”
Squirrelflight being abuse victim while bramblestar being abuser to squirrelflight
i was really confused as to why everyone was hating on him because i thought he was being mean because he was possessed by ashfur , untill i read this comment -
@Raya Selman considering that the Erins will never admit to seriously screwing his character and never vilify him, I think the only way to salvage anything is to reveal Ashfur had been manipulating Bramblestar for a long time, probably towards the later half of VoS, but I’d also accept since his leadership ceremony. Then at the very least, we can disregard Squirrelflight’s Hope since that’s when he’s truly at his worst
I wish Squirrelflight understood she was in an abusive relationship, even her own DAUGHTER realized his horrible actions
It's hard to leave a toxic relation ship that has been going for years
give her time
Bunbun i know, but I’m not sure at this point she’ll leave him, the abuse will most likely continue :(
Wait I haven’t read the new books I stopped at book no.2 of Avos where did Sparkpelt realize that her parents were in an abusive relationship?
Blue Orchid I’m not exactly sure? I’m on book 5 for POT, but I’ve heard something about her telling her mom that bramblestar hadn’t talked to her in moons and she’s defending him, or something like that?
Iiiii think it might have been Squirrelflight’s super edition, I don’t remember exactly but I’m pretty sure
I feel bad for Bramble...
because the Erins MASSACRED his character. He wasn’t even intended to be abusive- he was just supposed to be a likable protagonist. But they somehow managed to destroy him. It’s awful how they took a fine character (Bramblepaw from the first arc) and twisted him so terribly.
I feel bad for BramblePAW. And I feel bad for how the authors killed him.
same!!
he was supposed to be a contrast to Tigerstar but now he's becoming just as horrible and it's disappointing of the writers
Agreed! as BramblePaw-Early Claw, I adored him! He proved himself to be different to Firestar so much, how he wasnt coldhearted like Hawk and Tiger, and he’s completely ruined
Same goes for Hawkfrost. And here I quote him saying "If I'm to be RiverClan's leader one day, it'll be by warrior code or not at all"
And he claims that more than once, and acknowledges his mistakes (teaming up with Mudclaw for example, he was willing to take any punishment)
And there was even said how he knew Tigerstar's actions were bad and how he strongly disagreed with them and insisted on his loyality to warrior code. With later it being more or less proven, but nobody's perfect afterall.
And then here we have Hawkfrost going ah yes I'll betray RiverClan and all Clans by training in Dark Forest and get my bro who trusts me to kill his own leader
If I didn't know how he'll end up (I'm at Twilight book right now) I would say that he so far looks like the character everyone suspects but turns out to be good, and I like him this way and I wish to remember him like that
A loyal, ambitious warrior who tried to accomplish his goals and yes had some bad turns in his life but who doesn't have those.
Actually same goes for Ashfur. So far Erins are making him look as a painfully clear contrast to Brambleclaw (you guys can eat me alive but yes, after all I've seen about him I'm still on his side. If you're on Squirrelflight's one, good for you. Let's not ruffle each other's fur when there's no harm caused by ours opinions)
We get to ser him as comitted warrior, thoughtful but not cold, seeking to comfort his clanmates if needed. He knows when to step between cats and knows when not to fight. And then Erins shove at us this love obsessed hard headed scrap of fur. Uh oh, no thank you.
And now as I'm already talking stuff, last thing that Erins did so far that makes me *mildly* annoyed is Tawnypelt. I am sorry to all her lovers but how, how does she ( a she-cat, with patched fur, and green eyes) menaged to just "ah yes they look at me as if they were looking at my father" just.. they wouldn't even know Tigerstar was her father If someone didn't tell them. And there she is, leaving her brother who is a literall copy of their father *alone* in a Clan where she, looking nothing like him, felt bad. This is not the power of choice you should do a positive fuss about. For me, that was an act of selfishness and cowardness and just pure stupidity. She left the Clan because they looked at her as if she was Tigerstar, *to join* Tigerstar. How can she even talk about being never able to prove herself to them only to follow it with such actions?
Just...
I'm sorry if I harmed someone with being so harsch on her, but I had to get it out somewhere as it was always bothering me when people spoke great of her as if she did something to be proud of.
Hope you have a good day, person reading this so far ^^
And please don't judge me just basing on my opinions on certain characters.
@@dowdyhope6297 I think with the tawny pelt one I kinda understand where she is coming from, with her design I always like character designs that make her look a bit more like her dad. But I think she left her clan because she felt her clanmates had turned against her, she hated the rumours and just didnt want to deal with that anymore which I can understand
POOR SQUILF I WANT TO LOVE AND PROTECT HER,,,
LOVE AND PROTECT THE S Q UILF
PLEASE
Don't we all
Yes
WE ALL DOOOO
Even as a kid with the whole Hawkfrost thing i never understood why she went back to him after all the awful treatment. Now that I'm a adult i understand it is either bad writing or the cycle of abuse
A mixture of both, I believe the Erins don’t even realize that bramble is abusive, they likely will never break up. Which is absolutely terrifying, because children read these books and think that this is okay, the erins really aren’t good at dealing with these topics.
@@beesonfire5063 B%#%hflight is the toxic one.
@@FantasticFawnleap Chill, the abuser IS Bramble. I've never read the books but I can even tell. She's done some bad things, of course, but Bramble's reactions to some of these things are horrible. He ignored her for moons over protecting her sister and her sister's kits. MOONS! He's also brought on a lot of stress on her for absolutely no reason..
@@FantasticFawnleap Look, It’s cool if you like bramble, but please respect the opinions of others and stop attacking people In their reply’s
@@FantasticFawnleap i hate bramblestar but i am not going to argue with you
all that “i dont want to be like my dad” talk went to waste huh
Yeah, he is way worse than his dad
@@dia2406 as much as Bramble is completely washed out of character and made a jerk for drama's sake, it annoys me a little when people say he's worse than his dad. I mean okay, though I have not read Squirrelflight's Hope I understand he's been doing a lot of wrong things, but it doesn't put him on his father level yet. Bramblestar is a ruined character, a toxic mate and a jerk. Tigerstar is a SERIAL KILLER who murdered a lot of people and literally was willing to destroy all clans. Both are wrong, but isn't there a difference?
@@essaytime Oh that should change when you read Squirrelflight's hope. A bit of a thing he is really bad and horrible, basically to the level of Tigerclaw/star. I won't say why but do read it asap
@@HooshDoodles I don't say he wasn't horrible. The thing is that while he did attack the Sisters and was a horrible mate and father, it is still in no way comparable to willing to destroy the four Clans and murdering people. I'm looking forward to Squirrelflight's Hope but I am unable to read it right now, so a few days ago I have read the plot description. The thing is, Bramblestar BECOMES a bit like his father, but people saying he's equal or even worse are exaggerating to an unbelievable point. It does seem like Bramblestar abandoned his whole character development, yet there's a difference. He's a horrid mate (more a ruined character than intentional, but he looks like that) and a bad leader, he also isn't the best father from what I know, and SH2 completely burned the remaining parts of his character, but we can't compare him to someone who was a murderer and tyrant murdering half-clan cats in front of the whole clan and killing an apprentice just to make his enemies agree to join the clan he made as an excuse to control everyone. I understand why people may hate him more than Tigerstar because Tiger is just basic "villain murders everyone" and Bramble is evil that's nuanced & justified by everyone, but technically he's not worse than Tigerstar and will perhaps never be.
@@essaytime also he abused squirrelflight 🏃♂️
Sparkpelt snarled at him. "Do you admit it?"
"Admit what?" Bramblestar looked taken aback.
"If you hadn't done everything you could to make Tigerstar angry, Larksong would be fine now!" Sparkpelt's eyes narrowed to slits. Bramblestar stared at her, his pelt ruffling along his spine. "I don't understand." He glanced questioningly at Squirrelflight.
"Shes worried ShadowClan might have poisoned the fresh-kill pile when they visited camp earlier." Squirrelflight shifted uneasily. She was angry with Bramblestar, but he didn't deserve this. [...] Bramblestar tipped his head to one side and blinked at Sparkpelt. "how could they have poisoned the prey? We were all here watching them."
"They've done it before!" Sparkpelt hissed.
[...] "all ShadowClan cats are the same." Sparkpelt flexed her claws. "They'd poison their own mothers for more territory."
"That's not true." Squirrelflight edged closer to Sparkpelt. She had to calm her down. This couldn't be doing the kits any good. "ShadowClan cats are warriors just like us. They wouldn't break the warrior code."
Sparkpelt held her ground. "They would if they were pushed far enough, and Bramblestar has done nothing but get in Tigerstar's way." She glared accusingly at her father.
"Bramblestar's been doing whats best for the clans." Squirrelflight argued.
"Why are you sticking up for him?!" Sparkpelt stared at her. "He's hardly spoken to you in days. He's been treating you like an apprentice! And you're defending him! Why are you being such a Mouse-heart?"
-Squirrelflight's Hope, pages 210-211
You know its bad when your own daughter realizes how toxic the relationship is despite seeing you and your mate only 2 times arguing but notices how much your mate seems to hate you
It hurts to see Squirrelflight, after everything Bramblestar has done to her, still defending him, it shows how much she cares for him and doesn't want to hurt him, unlike Bramblestar...
@@Tururruuuuuuuuuuuuu The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyesshe is Bramblestar’s abuse victim.
bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
@@mwokozi she’s not a victim lol cry about it more. Stop acting as if they both aren’t disgusting to eachother. Abuse is a cycle and she has a continuous habit of doing the same gross bs that Bramblestar does to her 💀 she even does it to sparkpelt
Im honestly waitng for the moment where the impostor is defeated and when Bramble comes back Squirrel breacks up with him, i can't stand to see them together anymore
Or they just kill bramblestar so that him and the imposter are gone. I would be fine with that
I like how you both think, my fellow murder kitty fans
The Erins won’t have them break up. They don’t even realize that they made him abusive. I’m just crossing my fingers that they kill him.
@@axelf9947 - same. I hope they aren’t in any relationships like this because it’s actually concerning. One of the authors (I don’t remember who it is) called him one of the most honorable warriors who would never try to hurt her. He is not one of the most honorable warriors and abuse is not always intentional... but still just as bad
I don't think they would do that. If they broke up i think the writing team would just: And then Squilf realizes it wasn't Adultmurderface's fault and they get together again lol end of the book
I MAY NOT LIKE SQUILFY BUT A ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP IS AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP!
GREAT JOB CONVEYING THAT HUN!! it felt, too real
I'm on the same boat. I'm starting to warm up to her though.
Thank you for recognising that just because you don't like a character doesen't mean they desesrve to be abused :)
@@ohfluffyuwu835 D-
Do people do that?? I don't think she's bad. I just though she was a bit annoying I-
You may think she’s annoying because of the second series? But like in the 3rd and ahead she isn’t annoying and way more adult! ^^ I love her and I love your guys opinions on her 👀👀
But definitely, she doesn’t deserve bramble, bramble is an ass. She deserves Tawny instead 😈😈 Tawny x Squirrel all the way!
@@bip-bap4774 she is very annoying in the first series she appears in but in her defense she was a child and the book was in bramblestar’s point of view. But I’m glad you aren’t one of the people like “but squilf was really abusive to him too!!!” Even though the worst she is is snappy and impatient and disobedient (which is scary that people think that’s a flaw)
THIS IS AMAZING I LOVE THE USE OF SATURATED TO DESATURATED COLOURS TO SHOW HOW SHE ROMANTICISED THE RELATIONSHIP AS A KID AND IS STARTING TO REALISE BRAMBLE SUCKS AND YUH THIS IS POGGERS ‼
YES I WAS JUST BEGINNING TO RECOGNIZE HOW THE COLORS ARE BRIGHT WHEN SHE’S HAPPY WITH BRAMBLE AND THEY’E DULL WHEN SHE’S UPSET !
Honestly I love the character development of Bramblestar being a Firestar wanna-be to a Abuser, it’s nice to see opposing character development in the series. But I agree, bramble is bad man
Too bad it probably wasn’t intentional, and Squilf is probably never going to get out of that relationship in canon because the authors likely don’t know they made an abusive character...
if this were intentional, then it would have been great, but every in-book character views Bramble as 'great and strong and honorable' and it's... eugh..
The worst part? I really loved Bramblepaw and early Brambleclaw. I loved his character, thought he had so much potential for development and other things, and the Erins just...ruined him. Worse, it seems like they did so without even trying. Like they’re writing an abusive/toxic relationship without even realizing it.
It just makes me sad when I think of what could have been (and what SHOULD have been) with Bramble’s character.
Hey y’all! Just wanna clarify some stuff about the first scene since I got questions about it!
In Silent Thaw, Bramblestar (the imposter really) actually shoves her off the Highledge, BUT down the rock path. She basically tumbles down. I had him throw her off the ledge in my video instead for ✨dramatic effect✨ and to match the character rotation in the center screen that’s used a lot in this meme!
Anyway, thank y’all so much for the support and love for this video!
wAiT He does that?
What chapter is that- I don’t remember reading that-
HES A JERK
@@-aphriix-1689 that wasn’t him!
@@FantasticFawnleap ?
Squilf didn't deserve what Bramble did to her. I just feel like the authors pushed it on her, but in the book, the clans, usually knowing that ya know, if you decide they're the one there isn't really anything that's going to change that. While accepting the fact that Brambleclaw is rude, selfish, and very paranoid, which is, what I believe, where most of his issues come from, but just out lashed on Squilf because she cares. I'm not entirely sure on the mentality of this, but eh? It just sucks that her daughter had to say something for Squilf to seem to realize she shouldn't be with Bramble cause all the other cats seem to feel sorry, but not one spoke up.
*I will never understand warrior cats and why they are aimed at kids*
Dog, Spark being worried about how her own father would treat her mother has got to be one of the biggest red flags I have ever seen, I’m glad it got through to her, if only for a moment
@_Apple_A_Day_ APPLE
Squilf kind of normalised the abuse, and I guess she thinks the abuse is normal? At least until Spark told her that Bramble was bad. Sadly, I just finish veil of shadow and it seems Squilf still loves Bramble and I wonder why?? Girl you deserve better come on
@@sweetzeyraa Some people who are victims of this type of abuse see their Abuser as a lover, even when people point it out they can be unwilling to leave, at that point I believe it is Stockholm Syndrome, not 100% sure.
The warriors fandom do be taking over this meme. Not that I have anything against it, its actually amazing.
I blame the Erins for Brambles character. This wasn’t the intent of the authors, but it was still written the way it was and there’s not much to do to change that. I appreciate the idea of bramble a lot more then what he’s actually been in the books.
I honestly consider Bramblepaw and Brambleclaw/star completely separate characters. There’s just no way they’re the same person anymore.
@@hunter_deamonne fr! The kind kid who grew up trying to prove himself to his clan- becoming the adopted son of firestar, his birth fathers enemy- a loyal and honorable warrior? THAT GUY?! That’s not what bramblestar is. They’re just not the same character :,(
Honestly kind of hate Bramblestar
Squirelflight has been nothing but selfless and brave and she deserves so much more and I adore her but dammit she just keeps getting the worst of it,,
This is so amazing though aaa
Your art is very pretty and I love the subtle differences of the ‘then’ and ‘now’
The saturated, blurry and colourful past and then the more real but de-saturated present and dull
Honestly I love this, you did such a wonderful job wow-
Squirrelflight deserves the world.
I agree. She deserves better
Eh.. I agree but I still think shes quite bratty tho...
@@spilwo572 At times yeah but no ones perfect!
@@Eyrinthefae04 I agree :3
Bug's Factory I think that was really mostly only when she was an apprentice to be honest, but you’re entitled to your opinion, of course. ^^
I just genuinely think that no matter how annoying or ‘bratty’ someone is, it doesn’t justify abuse and it doesn’t mean they deserve to suffer. Yes, she may have been strong headed and somewhat childish *at times*, but that doesn’t make her a bad character, neither does it make Bramblestar’s abuse in any way excusable.
(Sorry, I kind of went off on a tangent haha-)
i relate to squirrelflight so much. my last relationship was so fucking close to theirs and im glad i got out of there before my ex could damage me more than he already did
Hope you're doing better now bud, lots of best wishes and good vibes for your recovery. Speaking from experience, relationship abuse is one of the most insidious kinds of abuse, and its effects echo for quite some time. Just know that you are loved by those whom you can trust, that what you experienced was not your fault, and that you should have never experienced it to begin with. Stay safe. ❤
i Understand how you feel. I had two exes who were exactly like this, one was with me for a bit but used me for clout(??) or something like that. while the other was nice and good at first, but soon started to use me for nsfw and began lying and cheating on me. but i hope you're doing better now! lotsa love and good luck to you, dear!
People like "well Squirrelflight was bratty 😭😭😭😭😭." That doesn't give you the right to down grade someone, nor is it mature to do so in that case.
" oh well SquirrelFlight disobeyed him, and and was annoying!!!!! " That does not excuse abuse lmao. Agree with ur comment
And most of the time when they cite when she was annoying she was like. a literal child
@@judacris25 fun fact, she was like ten. And people think because as a ten year old she was annoying she gets to be abused for the rest of her life? No that’s horrible
She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@falcon_arkaig She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
well firestar was right when he first saw him, really does end up like his dad
In squirrel’s right state of mind she is outgoing and head strong it’s terrible to see her so submissive to her mate’s abuse
fr it's heartbreaking to see her practically bend over backwards to let him walk all over her :(
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
Sometimes I honestly wonder how their relationship got so bad. I mean, they used to be in a genuinely good relationship
when
They never had a genuinely good relationship
Eh... They argued a lot ever since Squilf was an apprentice. Technically they never had a truly wholesome relationship.
There's always been a power imbalance in their relationship, which made the relationship bad to begin with. Brambleclaw, being a warrior in the second arc, was in a much more powerful position than apprentice Squirrelpaw. Even if they only officially got together when she was a warrior (unless they were a couple earlier than that, please correct me if so), the power imbalance had been there since the beginning, then continued, before getting worse when Bramble became deputy, then leader.
@@saturn1331
Exactly
I honestly feel like the Erins are trying way too hard to make Bramblestar “the good guy despite his heritage” which makes me think like they’ll probably never acknowledge the abuse Squilf is dealing with to keep that image of Bramble.
@@FantasticFawnleap ??
I was about to say that we have mothwing for that but-
Darkness within disagrees with me
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyesthe same copy paste that’s already been disproven lol
thank StarClan that Squirrelflight finally became leader at the end of Shadow
I wish shrewpaw was still alive so she wouldn't have to be hurt so many times by brambleclaw
I love this animation so much-
And honestly I agree that Bramblestar is horrible
He treated Squirrelflight like crap and tried to justify it by making her the toxic one (which she is not, she may have flaws but that does not justify a abusive relationship)
I used to love Bramblestar’s character
A cat who just wanted to prove himself to his clan mates and even to himself that he is different from his evil father
Heck I have a little Au where instead of The Broken Code series happening
It’s Squirrelflight and Bramblestar in another argument (over something idk what)
Squirrelflight yells at him about all the awful things he has done to her, and this shocks Bramblestar, Squirrelflight runs out of the den and Bramblestar is left thinking of what he has done, recalling their history.
He realizes what a toxic cat he has become and apologizes to Squirrelflight
The two talk and decide to break up, Bramblestar tells Squirrelflight that he is stepping down from leadership and becoming a normal warrior, he feels leadership has made him toxic and that he didn’t deserve to lead after his behavior (Bramblestar has made some very poor leader choices in canon books, for example leaving one of the sisters to die, just so he could wait for Starclans approval)
He travels to the moonpool with Squirrelflight and steps down from leadership, his name becomes Brambleclaw again, and Squirrelflight becomes Squirrelstar!
And possibly appoints Ivypool as deputy or another cat
The two remain on friendly terms but never become mates again
That uh my little au 😅
That is an amazing au idea holy-
@@aintnobodyknowme yeah -
i love AU’s , and i love this AU . it ‘ s a pretty good idea !
I love this AU..I feel after getting a mouthful from squilf not only the regret of hurting people he loved would make him step down but the fear of being just like tigerstar, power hungry and cruel, would be reason enough to step down in fear he'd lead the clan to it's doom.
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
The silence of all those anti-squilf/'Squilf is actually the abusive one in the relationship' people speaks volumes lately. Love this video, thank you for showing the truth! 😔 💖
@zo Oh yes, of course, that goes without saying since she enlightened the masses about our favorite squirrel cat! 💕
Those ppl scare me tbh 😳
Squilf deserved so much better.
And I miss bramblepaw because as I see it, bramblestar and bramblepaw have never been the same character.
Miss you sweet boy
Screw you bramblestar
She deserved worse. The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyesdude she was abused.
bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
It hurt so much to see Squirrelflight in this. She was sad in almost every scene and in the last one (0:34) she just looks like she's so uncertain and doesn't want to be with bramblestar
I think one part people ignore about their relationship is how bramblestar was 100% willing to just leave squirrelflight for a kittypet he only knew for a short period of time, it's just sad
He has a right to move on they weren’t even together so he was NOT cheating on her!
@@FantasticFawnleap I wasn't implying that they were, but we all knew he still loved squirrelflight, he used Jessy as a way to distract himself from it
Literally the only reason it didn't happen was because she left I think and squilf got jealous and ran back to him before he could get a new girlfriend. She broke things off after a fight as usual and he was like "lol k, that kittpet do be looking fine tho-"
@@alexiasisson858that’s quite natural in relationships. A rebound 🤷♀️, but it makes sense in his character. He grew up with basically his whole clan hating him, so when he’s shown affection he may as well take it.
Lowkey crying, Squilf is my favorite character and I just want her to be happy for once
Same
I will never forgive the Erin's for destroying Bramblestars character just for plot
Squilf deserves so much better, as someone who's been in a VERY similar relationship it makes it hard to read certain books sometimes.
She deserved worse. The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyesdude she was the abused one.
bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
@@Onyxseyes saying that she deserves worse is literally the most disgusting thing you could possibly say to about an abuse victim. be a better person dawg 😭🙏
@@MartiniiYeah Womp womp the same way y’all say it to Bramblestar? They’re both victims of eachother. Stop ignoring how they’re an obvious toxic couple who was never good for eachother :33
@@Onyxseyes people say that about bramblestar because he IS an abuser 🤯⁉️ squilf is a victim. be so fr.
Okay this is just my opinion. Bramblestar and Squirrelflight were pretty much doomed from the beginning. Bramblestar always had major issues. His whole clan hated him and his sister left him due to all this pressure. Pretty much the only one who ever supported him was his mother while others shunned him. So Bramblestar has some pretty bad trust issues. (Im in no way trying to defend him, just trying to see what his personality is going into this relationship). Squirrelflights on the other hand is Firestars daughter. She grew up being loved by everyone especially cuz of her heritage. She never had to prove to anyone that she's a good Thunderclan cat. So putting these two together was just a disaster waiting to happen. Who knows, maybe Cinderpelt didnt completely misread the Fire and Tiger prophecy
This is actually interesting to think about
Also the book where they're the together a lot for the first time (during the journey) he mostly sees her as an annoying brat...not a good start and not a good end.
I feel so bad for Squirrelflight, she deserves better and deserves to be happy. I love this and your style!
WE DO NOT STAN SQUIRRELFLIGHT X BRAMBLESTAR IN THIS HOUSEHOLD
BUT WE DO STAN THIS ANIMATION
I love squirrel bramble
@@calvindog4890it’s an abusive relationship where Bramblestar abuses his mate.
THANK YOU FOR PORTRAYING IT THIS WAY. ITS SO TRUE AND WHEN I READ THEIR SCENES IN BOOKS I JUST FEEL. Uncomfy.
Idk why, but the look on Squirrelflight's face a 0:04 broke my heart :(((
``This is a sign of a bad relationship``
squirrelflight has been my favorite character since i was a kid and honestly all the love she’s been getting makes me so happy. she’s gone through so much and she deserves the world. i love sqilf with all my heart
LOVE THE VIBES OF THIS!!!!! its super eerie and offsetting hdhdjs i adore how you used the colours bro 💖💖 and the last few frames oh man its drawn SO well!!!!!! ACTUALLY everything was,,, i am a huge sucker for your cats, n cannot get enough of em,,,,,really happy to see more of your art on my timeline recently!!
makes you kind of wonder if they DID do it on purpose. to create this lineage of toxic and dangerous cats steming from tigerstar (the first one) so that brambleclaw sint some kind of hero in that lineage. to make them seem more tied together in a way. giving his personality something even if its small to tie him back to his family.
THIS IS BEAUTIFUL IM A MESS also not me crying over how dull and lifeless squilf’s fur is in the present bc it makes me think of how a victim can start to look in an abusive relationship, with hair loss and sallow skin and hollow cheeks. this really does put squilf’s trauma into perspective
*[Bramble needs to be put in rice]*
sitting here watching the Erin's slowly kill their own series.
I honestly hope the authors listen to the fans and tear this relationship apart like they killed poor Ferncloud bc of fans demand :(
So, I’ve seen a lot of people fighting on a certain part- the sf wanting kits part. While it’s okay for bramble to not want kits, and reject the idea, he handled it in a HORRIBLE way.
Fr. The situation could've been easily resolved if he responded to her in a better way.
I always loved Bramble but just seeing how horribly he's been treating Squirrel in more recent books is just so sad.
Curse the Erin's for making bramble into a monster. Squilf deservse better and so does younger bramblepaw/claw
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
I used to see my dad and step mom as them. I thought it was perfect. Ther personality and everything. But I didn’t realize how deep and bad his actions where and I’m kinda torn in two
I remember he never wanted to act like his father and yet he's being rude and abusive towards squilf
What a surprise bramble, what a surprise
Haven't read the last books yet (they're not translated and I absolutely WANT them physically and not on my phone) but got spoiled so I wanted to share this :')
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
I cant remember him being abusive,I haven't read warriors in so long! But I'm really sad to hear that he is this way now..
Well it's a mix of then and now. I'd recomend moonkittis new video 'bramblestar is worse' it goes more into detail about the entire thing.
Small detail but I like how you dulled their colors in the negative scenes
i really like how bramble has a bit of fuzzyness to him that squirlf and none of the other cats-when shown- have! i dont know i just thought it was a neat detail
finally theres not an eye bleedingly orange squirrelflight
This makes me really wish I could draw and make videos like this. Creating my own version. This one looks so simple and one of the easier to make. Being a meme. I also wish this version of the song was the main one. I prefer and like it more.
I love bramble,he’s one of my favourite characters but he really needs to realise he’s treating Squirrel horrible and have an arc to fix it.
Also squirrel would have been in just as bad if not worse relationship with Ash. 🙂
It feels like, bramblestar is slowly turning into his father.
No he’s not!
@@FantasticFawnleap he might owo
@@wolfyface6851 he’s not!
@@FantasticFawnleap
He might owo
@@wolfyface6851 he is not!
I love your Bramblestar design! His dark mask looks great!
okay, how the color backround changes with the tune of the music is so satisfying. you did such a great job.
she is in a TOXIC relationship
The reason why we call this an abusive rather than a toxic relationship is because abuse is mainly about control. Bramblestar forcing Squirrelflight to bow to his will by punishing her for disobeying him is abusive. Bramblestar belittling her needs in moments of crisis (when she was trying to safe the Sister’s cat, he made it about her wanting children instead of her wanting to save a life), that is abuse.
Check out Moonkitti’s video if you’re curious, it examines their relationship from Midnight (when Squirrelflight was an apprentice, mind you) until now. It’s very eye-opening!
@@fabplays6559 yes , i now that video but i didnt finish it. I'l whatch it, thanks
Sorry for the orthography
@@shantalabauss.5487 Oh it's fine, don't worry! :) It's a bit of a long one, lmao, I watched it over a few days.
@@fabplays6559 She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
So I saw a few of this memes with squirrel flight a while back, but didn't understand her popularity. Today I got interested in watching Moonkitti and Akira explain how horrible Bramblestar is :(
Your designs and style is absolutely stunning! I'm glad I found this video
I loved Brambleclaw, he was awesome, until he became Bramblestar, and then things happened. Possessed Bramblestar is even worse!
Graystar would've been a great leader.
same
He was awful before he became leader. Take a look at Moonkitti's video.
Bramble took a huge decline from the moment he became a warrior if you ask me.
Especially when he and Squirrel got together.
No Graystripe wouldn't have been a good leader, he doesn't care about the rules and the warrior code at all. I know I sound like the impostor, but you want a REALLY good leader? Boom, Whitestorm.
@@fabplays6559 She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
Me initially: hates Firestar slightly more than Bramblestar
Me now: *SURE FIRESTAR CAN DIE IN A HOLE BUT HE’S A LEGEND COMPARED TO THIS DOOF*
This doof being Bramblestar.
I’m liking this video either way.
Dude.
What did fire star do, I haven’t really read much of warriors and I’m barley just getting into it. ((For some reason I just look at animation memes for the newer arcs because they look good .-.))
This is incredible!!! Super heartbreaking. It convey’s Squilfs emotions so will. Really nice!!!
People sadly still defend him, and go as far as calling people who are against him abusers
That’s a complete lie but okay. Quite literally it is the other way around whoever points out squirrelflights abuse will get called an “abuse apologist”. The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyesyour comment is just full lies.
bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
Im still surprised that Squirrelflight even stayed with him
I don't know how the two even wanted to stay together and to be honest, I think its the fault of both. But Squirrelflight is mostly the victim I guess
I really think they should break up for the sake of theirs and the clans, both have their rights and faults and yes, squirrelflight is mostly the victim. I think after the broken code is done or something, they'll realize how toxic their realtionship is and try to fix it, or just end it off all together.
@@alinetitus2873 Sadly I don't think that'll happen, someone talked to Kate I think, or atleast one of the Erin Hunters, asking if the authors themselves thought Bramblestar was toxic or abusive, and they responded by saying "Bramblestar, abusive? Absolutely not. He would be incapable of it. He is one of our most honorable warriors. He and Squirrelflight may have differences of opinion but he always sees her as an equal and with respect." So sadly, they probably think that this is just some cute quirky relationship arguements.
@@mooneatsworms Yeah, that sucks
@@mooneatsworms God, and this series is for kids. Kids who will think that the abuse their going through, either by their parents or partners, is okay and actually their fault because 'they would never do such a thing!'
The Erins Are Not Alright.
@@saturn1331 I don't really think its for kids with all the gore and other stuff though
I really hope bramblestar either doesn't come back, leaves the clans, or stops being leader. He isnt a good leader and also isnt a good mate. Poor squirrelflight deserves better 😔
Dude B%#%hflight wasn’t the best mate either!
@@FantasticFawnleap not saying she was, but she matured when bramblestar hasn't tbh
@@inspiredailen3275 You call still acting like an over dramatic drama queen mature?
@@FantasticFawnleap she diesnt over react much. She did when she was younger but not much now?
@@FantasticFawnleap, who are you? Rockstar Ivypool or something?
We can all agree that squirrelflight have the most bad and unhealthy relationship out of the character who have bad relationship
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
this is beautiful, i love it so much, i hate bramblestar so much i’m sorry to anyone who actually likes him for some reason, tbh he sucks, i liked cloudstar when he rejected jaggedpack more than bramble tbh
The death of a medicine cat and queen are on him
It's been shown multiple times that squirrelflight and brambleclaw work so much better apart and not in a relationship they are such a toxic relationship that it makes so much sense they wouldn't be together. I guess I can compare it to the Crowfeather and Nightcloud situation, they realised that they were much better apart and not together Because they didn't love each other and their relationship was toxic when they were together. Brambleclaw had so much potential and then they ruined his character by making him a toxic and abusive person towards squirrelflight Whenever they were romantic together And even before that he was still kind of rude to her all the time!! I hate brambleclaw now that I refused to call him by his leader name. He doesn't deserve the name star, he doesn't deserve his kits, and he sertenly does NOT deserve squirrelflight! She deserves better. Squirrelstar for thunderclan baby!! #killBrambleforgood #squirrelstarforthunderclan
Cocoa Dusky no I hate B%#%hflight and I wish Bramblestar chose Sorreltail as his mate!
@@FantasticFawnleap wow...
@@FantasticFawnleap then why are you even here
Agree! But the squirrelstar part, I dont think she would be good at leading. Not that she couldn't though.
@@FantasticFawnleap Sorreltail is in a healthy relationship with Brackenfur. Bramblestar is extremely toxic.
I love the colors you used for her! She is absolutely beautifully drawn and I love how the music kind of goes with the colors and stuff
Holy moly I'm glad I stopped reading Warriors when I did, these comments are kind of a shock - Bramblestar was a fine character up until the end of his standalone book, seems like a lot of things have changed
DUDE WHATTATYUGV I LOVE YOUR STYLE SO MUCHHH HOLY-
I think.... I know why I love and relate to squilf so much now... I have been abused by some of my loved ones as well, and there’s a embedded cycle of abuse and trauma there. Bramblestar’s character being butchered by the writers also doesn’t make me happy, but they’re taking it and running with it.
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
I love her so much, she has a good character arch honestly imo
i love seeing peoples depoction of the story, its amazing to see how other people form this fantasy made up of just words into images and animations.
This is why I avoid relationships in the workplace- the idea of an ex like Bramble having that power over me low key makes me panic.
Squirrelflight is the one with the power over him. Because he keeps running back to her.
She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
@@Onyxseyes…I actually went back and reread the books and I have to agree here. The whole time she treats Bramble like garbage the second he doesn’t bend backwards for her. The only time she doesn’t is when they’re separated, and even then she’s constantly pushing for him to tell him he loves her, like with her asking him if he wants to tell her anything before she leaves for the tribe. Like. Fuck you. It’s written as super sad for her, and it’s like, “NO, IT’S NOT?! YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!” Also, I don’t care about the StarClan angle, StarClan is shitty for not telling Bramble, and so is she and Leafpool! Also, I don’t believe the she couldn’t trust him angle, cuz if she didn’t trust him… why raise kits with him? They could have just as easily said they were a loners. I’ll admit in Leafpool’s Wish she was pressured into it, and yeah, fuck StarClan AND Leafpool for that. Also. The entirety of her novella is her doing stupid things instead of her communicating with Bramble, going behind his back for no reason, even AFTER HE AGREED TO DO WHAT SHE ASKED, and then being all “boo hoo is me” when he gets reasonably pissed as all hell. She’s honestly Nightcloud, getting rewarded for bad behavior just cuz she’s a woman. (And I’m a woman myself, and yes, women can be abusers) Honestly, the only time Bramble is shitty to her is when he’s rude to her and Ash, but this is after she broke up with him for continuing to see his brother when she had no proof of him being evil, (and no, she didn’t, she wasn’t aware of the DF plot or the Mothwing thing) and then she constantly kinda… shows off Ashfur? We know from reading her POV she’s not trying on purpose to make Bramble jealous, but when he tries to calmly ask her about it, because unintentionally that IS what it looks like, she gets super snappy and rude. Like. At that point, I can’t blame Bramble completely for lashing out. It’s not ok if extended to Ashfur, but it doesn’t become a cycle like everyone complains, and it certainly isn’t out of some weird hate for her? He’s genuinely hurt by how she’s behaving, and honestly, her shrinking off responsibilities is the only time he gets snappy with her. The only thing going for her in the abuse argument is Bramble being the leader, but that doesn’t automatically make him abusive? The main arguer of this is Moonkitti, and her argument boils down to, “Bramble is leader, Squilf is not, he gets angry at her and they have problems so it’s all his fault cuz he has a higher position all her life.” Like. What? He’s allowed to be angry when she acts shitty, in fact, whenever HE leads the conversations, it always gets resolved! Again, it’s freaking Nightcloud -_-
@@mwokozi I’m gonna do your argument in steps, I hope that’s ok. Also, I don’t wanna come off as disrespectful so if I do, I’m sorry.
1. While Squilf is right about Hawkfrost, she had no definitive proof, and when Bramble points that out, she breaks up with him and walks away. It’s like when Bumble asked Dove out then walked away before she could respond. Also, Bramble doesn’t tell her, but that’s because he was honestly stupid enough to believe it was safe and ok. (Which isn’t him being malicious, just him being moronic, which I’ll honestly give you) ALSO, the part that drives me crazy there is that she says “Hawkfrost is clearly more important to you!” Which. What. He has a relationship with Hawkfrost, so she’s not important to him? How? Just because she doesn’t like him doesn’t mean he has to stop seeing him. This isn’t a case where he hurt Squilf and Bramble isn’t backing her, this is just her being suspicious then making Bramble choose when he doesn’t automatically cut off his brother. She doesn’t have a right to MAKE him choose! That’s shitty!
2. Squilf does complain about Bramble treating her like an app., but you’re missing the part where that’s part of her character arc. She complains that EVERY cat does that to her, her father, her mother, even her mentor! It’s her entire character arc to be a brat and grow up to be more mature. Ish. There’s like one other line about in Leafpool’s Wish, where she’s complaining Bramble is giving her simple tasks around camp, but she was just injured in a badger attack! He wouldn’t ask any warrior to do go out and hunt! She also doesn’t communicate that with him, she just goes to Leafpool to complain, we don’t see how Bramble reacts to her telling him. (That I remember in that book, I’m pretty sure she leaves before she can explain, so I’m not criticizing her here, I’m more so saying it’s a one off line of hers.)
3. Squilf’s Hope? Bramble is mad, yes. He’s mad because after he agreed with Squilf to expand the territory, then went behind his back, went to Leafstar, took her into enemy territory, and got them both captured. Of course he’s going to be on her like a hawk and looking over every actions do hers, and when he critiques her at all, she’s like, “is this how it’s gonna be? You’re gonna dare to talk to me about my job? I’m your wife.” She almost had it to where SkyClan could have been destroyed, and ThunderClan would have been blamed. Then she runs away again instead of just talking to him, stops a whole battle, runs into a tunnel after another cat and then dies. That’s their interactions, there. Of course Bramble is going to yell, she betrayed him and his trust. Again. Him yelling doesn’t make him abusive, it means he’s reacting to her treating him extremely poorly. (And no, he wasn’t being an “unreasonable leader.” He literally agreed to talk further about her idea before she went off with Leafstar, then Squilf the whole time is like, “but. But Moon is giving birth, uwu, we can’t ask her to leave, owo.” Like. Yes you can. She’s halfway through her pregnancy, she’s able to move to literally the other side of the lake. She also implied Bramble would hurt her or her kittens which… I. What. Why would she…? The only thing that happens I can even remotely point to with Bramble being unreasonable is him telling Leafpool she can’t treat Sunset, and that’s because their allies would be super upset, and then he asks the med cats to go ask StarClan so he can pull that card if he’s confronted. And then Squilf gets between him and Leafpool. Lots of people argue this is because she thinks he’s going to hurt Leaf, but that’s never implied! It’s her getting in his face and screaming! That’s literally the book! Also Moonkitti, who I’m assuming you’re going off of, presents it like it’s because he’s mad at Squilf which… no? He has a perfectly valid reason to believe Tigerstar, who is constantly threatening to attack SkyClan, would attack if they helped her. She’s making a scene on purpose to pressure him into backing down, which almost sounds like what people accused Bramble of doing- oh wait! It is -_-)
4. I don’t care if StarClan told Squilf to lie about the kits or she had “good intentions.” Bramble had every right to break up with her and distance himself. Moonkitti says in her video it’s the cold shoulder, but the book doesn’t say that. It’s written as “he doesn’t wanna interact with her longer than he has to.” That’s not cold shouldering, that’s “stay away from me, genuinely, stay away.”
5. Bramble doesn’t use her insecurities against her. The one example people have is when she brings up kittens in the middle of an argument about land, after she guilt tripped him by saying “don’t you love me” when he said he doesn’t want kittens. Which A. Yes. That’s a guilt trip. And A.2, if him not wanting kits makes her feel unloved, then she shouldn’t be with any tom. And B. That DOES come across as her bringing kits up again in the middle of an argument about land and WAR, which is SO not the time. Of course he’s going to snap at her and be like “why are you bringing this up now?!” She literally pushes him until he reluctantly gives in to stay with her. For all the talk about Squilf acting like an abuse victim when she feels bad about her own actions biting her in the butt, it sure seems like Bramble is showing victim behavior himself. Also. Squilf doesn’t stop because he doesn’t want kits. She stops because she “wants him to want them too,” which implies he’s wrong for NOT wanting more kittens. Which. Huh? Gross! She finally has a realization and realizes she doesn’t actually want more kits, she’s just scared about getting old.
6. The one time Bramble is an outright shitty leader is the new arc with the Nightheart naming sceanario, (which is honestly more so societal expectations in the clan, which is a whole other topic, but credit where credit is due he still sucks there) and him yelling at Twig, though that is implied to be him in the middle of some kind of traumatic episode. It doesn’t make it ok at all, but later on he realizes what he did, and steps down as leader when he realizes he can’t lead. Which. Good. He can’t lead, he steps down, good for him.
7. The only time I can point to Bramble being bad to her is when he accuses her of using Ash to make him jealous, but the time before that when he tried to talk to her calmly about it, she exploded at him and walked away again. Which. Again. Geez, Bumblestripe. He has reason to believe, then, that she is using him to make her jealous, the only reason the audience know she’s not is because we have her POV, but Bramble doesn’t. He honestly sees her exploding at him when he tries to ask, and even when he thinks so, he STILL doesn’t take it out on her. The only time in the entirety of series 2 he even really yells at her is when she goofs off when the camp is in the middle of being built and they really need her help, and then she runs straight into a fox because she’s not looking where she’s going because she, again, exploded at Bramble for trying to do his job and ran away. Bumble.
Honestly? The only cycle I see is Squilf doing something reckless, Bramble reasonably being like “WTH,” and then him apologizing because he dared to be upset. The only argument of Moonkitti’s that holds any water weight is that he does have authority over her most of their lives, but that doesn’t automatically make him abusive like she implies. She’s right in that they’re not “equally bad for each other,” I’d honestly say Squilf is the biggest issue in Bramble’s life when he’s just trying to focus on his career.
And guess what? If you still wanna read Bramble as an abuser? That’s fine! But that doesn’t mean you can hop onto other’s and be rude in your arguments if you want to argue.
@@jaelyyymar8071 okay your whole comment is total BS. The comparisons to Brumblestripe also show how little you understand the books. She breaks up with him without talking to him? She did talk to him and her boundary was that she didn’t want her mate to hang around a cat who is very much suspicious. Squirrelflight also had talked to him many times before. Her whole thing is that she doesn’t want a mate who is close with an evil cat like Hawkfrost. She tries to talk to him about it but he accuses her of judging Hawkfrost because of his parentage. Squirrelflight realizes that Brambleclaw is not listening her nor taking her seriously. She terminates the relationship because she isn’t satisfied and that is her right. You should expect someone to be in a relationship where they don’t feel heard. You’re actively supporting Bumblestripe’s actions towards Dovewing in that reasoning.
Bramblestar tries to get Squirrelflight to actively fight against what she believes in also that land was already occupied and the Sisters said they would later leave. Also traveling while pregnant is much more difficult. Bramblestar is being completely unfair and unjust. He was also completely whiling to help Tigerstar attack and harm innocent cats. When Squirrelflight voices her morals which are boundaries Bramblestar hints about replacing her. He does use her insecurities against her. Squirrelflight talks about how she is insecure because she is worried she will be replaced and Bramblestar then on several occasions hints on replacing her as deputy.
Squirrelflight still wanted kits but she wants to have kits with a tom who also wants kits. She is not saying that he is wrong for wanting kits it’s her just saying that she understands he doesn’t want kits and if he doesn’t want to have kits then they won’t have kits. There is not issue with wishing your partner would want to have a child or more children with you as long as you don’t try and pressure them or make them feel guilty for it. Bramblestar also constantly kept bringing up kits to deflect. Also she did want kits but just realized that being deputy and caring for her Clan is what she values most and is content with just caring for her Clan and not having any kits. This is her using her want to nurture to better the Clan and her being more like “yeah I might not get kits but hey at least I have my Clanmates and they’re all like my kits.” That passage is her more looking at what she does have and making the best of it. She really wanted kits but since Bramblestar doesn’t she is making do with what she does have and finding ways to get what she wanted out of having more kits in what she currently has.
Squirrelflight lied and I agree it was wrong but Bramblestar’s lie by omission about his Dark Forest training was so much worse. Also you say how Bramblestar yelling is no issue but then compare Squirrelflight’s yelling to Bumblestripe?
Many cats also accused Squirrelflight for judging Hawkfrost for his parentage but she always disproved it but so many cats didn’t listen to her and just kept up that assumption about her like in Brambleclaw. She was tired of being accused of something she didn’t do.
Squirrelflight and Ashfur were goofing off a bit but still doing their job. Also cats even injured still go out on hunting and border patrols. Also Sparkpelt called Bramblestar out for treating her like an apprentice. The fact that other characters in the book noticed this doesn’t help your point.
Bramblestar as a deputy in the fourth arc was unprofessional. He put personal issues ahead of his role as a deputy. It is why Firestar’s actions as deputy and leader when he unfairly judged cats and let personal issues cloud is better judgement was wrong.
With the expansion of territory Bramblestar was dragging his paws as cats went hungry. With Tigerstar he’s completely willing to have innocent cats harmed and even killed. With Sunrise he was happy to condemn a cat to death to upset Squirrelflight.
With the fox fight she exploded at Brambleclaw because he wasn’t actually doing his job. Brambleclaw wasn’t the deputy he just took up the tasks and other cats weren’t even that happy with him doing so. It wasn’t his job it was the job of senior warriors since there was no deputy then.
When Bumblestripe asked Dovewing out and then walked away he was forcing the relationship which is wrong and it’s completely different from Squirrelflight terminating the relationship. You cannot force a relationship with an uninterested party, it’s wrong, however, it is within the right of someone to terminate the relationship. Squirrelflight didn’t like how Bramblclaw never listened to her. How he would accuse her of judging Hawkfrost for his parenthood and how she had boundaries. He did pick Hawkfrost over her. Squirrelflight was not comfortable with her mate being with a cat that she knew was evil.
Brambleclaw assuming Squirrelflight was using Ashfur to make him jealous is wrong. He is overly jealous without any evidence. Squirrelflight started out as a friend to Ashfur within a group of cats but the more Brambleclaw pushed the closer she got to Ashfur. It was his actions to lead to her considering Ashfur as a mate.
The fact you don’t understand how Bramblestar is abusive is troubling and your comparisons are also greatly troubling as you think that someone ending a relationship that they are not satisfied with is as bad as trying to force a relationship.
Bramblestar was always a horrible leader like in Bramblestar’s Storm. Yes Squirrelflight was uncalled in some scenes but she was willing to accept Bramblestar being with Jesse.
I’m opinion has nothing to do with Moonkitti’s video however her video does share a lot of the same points and opinions I already had. Bramblestar is similar to some abusers I’ve had to suffer under in my life although they were more workplace abuse and also being abused by teachers in my youth.
Jim having authority over her most of their lives doesn’t make him automatically abusive but it does play a large role in how he abuses her. As someone who was abused by people who had positions over me I find it disgusting how you try and justify abuse of power. Bramble did try and focus on his career because he let personal matters come before his responsibility as deputy and later leader.
Also I responded to the person in the same fashion as how they made their comment.
I absolutely hate what they did to bramblestar. BramblePAW was an promising and likeable character. Bramblestar is an abusive Piece of shit. I'm glad he is dead. I hope he doesn't ever come back. I hate how he treated Sqirrelflight and she is expected to suck it up because he is the leader.
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyesyour whole comment is just lies and I’ve already disproved it in other comments lol
I haven't read a warriors book since 8th grade, and suddenly I am getting content from the community.
This is honestly the best use of this format I have witnessed, and the melancholic version of the song adds to the effect very well. Something about the last few seconds really fills me with a sort of emptiness.
This is so good! I adore your artstyle so much :'0
I LOVE THIS SM
ahh i love squirrelflight so much,, i absolutely love your use of saturated/desaturated colors to show the mood of every scene!! it really adds to see when she realized bramble was a dickhead or when she romanticized the relationship,, i also love ur style!! u gotta new sub :D
omg im reading the comments this hawkfrost stan is killing me they're so funny,,, please get it through your dense head
The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
I love the style and designs
This is so sad. I had a hard time watching this without crying 😭
Just here to say a user named CloverstarProductions stolen this and it on their channel.
Good you mention it! I also wanted to inform the creator :') Edit: For easier access, here is the video: czcams.com/video/mE7d33oHCZo/video.html
Thank you so much for telling me! I wouldn’t have had any idea, I appreciate it!
@@teekonu thank you!!
They deleted it a few minutes ago
@comradeuwu oop, that’s funny LOL glad it’s gone though!
Sending love to moonkitty for pointing out this relationship (at least thats how i found out). I really was out here thinking that's a p good relationship lol
Her videos are literally bias’s and living about things that never happened. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyesit’s more truthful than your comment which is just lies.
bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
@@Onyxseyes Imagine copy and pasting the same bs arguement multiple times over multiple comments. You CLEARLY haven't read the books.
@@Nukebomb70 Womp womp you mad bro? Post an argument then I’m waiting. “You clearly never read the books” LMAOO that’s a telltale signs you’ve never read the books and it’s the only thing you can say. Imagine being mad because someone doesn’t kiss the ground SF walks on 😿😿😿
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
Dude Squirrel Flight is such a good character , but only bad stuff seem to happen to her , she was chosen as apprentice to go on a quest that puts her life in danger and that is the fate of the clans , she then learned her sister broke the code AND STAYED BY HER SIDE and lied to everyone she loved , her adoptive daughter died after literally exposing her Infront of all the clan's AND THEN after getting back with Bramble she is just living in a toxic relationship , like dude poor her , she's such a brave character
(Btw I didn't read Squirrel Flights hope yet , so i might've gotten some things wrong qwq)
Their relationship was worse than Yellowfang and Raggedpelts. (People don’t ever talk about Yellowfang and Raggedpelts relationship :
THANK YOU!! Nobody ever talks about how much Raggedpelt tried to manipulate her especially with the Foxheart(? I think that was her name I haven’t read the book in a while) stuff, their relationship and bramble and squilfs have a lot of similar qualities :(
@@fishysquishy9911 I’m glad someone sees the truth behind these relationships as well, I mean, how many times did Yellowfangs Secret say something like “Yellowfang prepared herself for a blast of Raggedpelts rage”
@@KrunchyKatSandwich Man i don't remember that at all, i didn't read much into Yellowfang's book bc it was too long for 7th grade me :')
@@falcon_arkaig Oh XD it happened quite frequently too
@@KrunchyKatSandwich That honestly sucks, Yellow and Ragged seemed nice, but it was killed in Yellowfang's book
Wait... what happened when I left the Warrior Cat fandom? I thought the two had a good relationship. Did the new series screw that over? Please correct me off I’m wrong, but the last time I read the series was when Firestar died after his final battle with Dark Forest Tigerstar. By then the two were suffering from the secret that “blown up” but they seemed to be over that. I think I never considered their dynamic to be toxic as I used to be in a toxic relationship (it sounds weird, I know but this just means that back then I wasn’t able to realize what was a red flag or not ^^;;). Either way, I feel upset that this relationship became toxic...
The new books did kinda screw it over, however following Moonkitti's rant on how abusive Brambleclaw/star is/was, it turns out that from the very beginning he was a terrible person
^^^
Also their relationship follow a cycle, just like real life toxic relationships. You really should watch Moonkitty's video, it's super interesting
fr though bramblestar is so abusive and people STILL defend him. Squirrel even acts like a victim of abuse.
He is not abusive!
@@FantasticFawnleap Except for denying Squirrelflight the right to freedom of speech and action, sure.
@@FantasticFawnleap Sparkpelt held her ground. "They would if they were pushed far enough, and Bramblestar has done nothing but get in Tigerstar's way." She glared accusingly at her father.
"Bramblestar's been doing whats best for the clans." Squirrelflight argued.
"Why are you sticking up for him?!" Sparkpelt stared at her. "He's hardly spoken to you in days. He's been treating you like an apprentice! And you're defending him! Why are you being such a Mouse-heart?"
-Squirrelflight's Hope, pages 210-211
@@fabplays6559 ok and!?
@@fabplays6559 So what!?
Ok but like, those tears are so good
Abusive relationships are no joke, and nothing to overlook, don’t get me wrong.. but
Can’t people just like a character for their edginess? And another for their sweetness? It’s literally just a book series about cats killing each other. The warriors fandom is a scary place sometimes
Tbh its a disturbing thing to like an abuser who didnt even feel sorry. This is a thing that happends irl and very little people like villians etc just as a character and not as a person. That said many fans go and adore and apologize abusive and murderous characters. But if you just like their development then yes that is oerfectly fine. You are of course entitled to your opinion but such things are always problematic. Theres already people overlooking abuse irl becouse of small things like this and thats really not ok.
@@grimmcorvid5713 ill be honest I have no clue what the series is about anymore-- last time I picked up a warriors book was 6 years ago
+GoldenDragonArt - I can't blame you for dropping the series, there's always good stuff happening in the books but you have to walk through a *lot* of bs to get to it.
Anyhow, it isn't a case that people are telling other fans they aren't allowed to like Bramblestar's character. People are explaining and pointing out how abusive Bramblestar *IS* to Squirrelflight. Because there is an abusive cycle to his actions, and those actions fly over a *lot* of people's heads. The books keep enforcing the idea that Bramblestar and Squirrelflight are good together. Instead of acknowledging how horrible Bramblestar is, the books try to (unintentionally, I hope) normalize staying with your abuser. And that is *really* harmful. (I know from experience.)
That's why people are making such a fuss about all of this now.
@@pupville1055 totally fair ^^. Ihavent touched the books in so long, so I can't say I know what's going on
bramblepaw deserved better, squirrelflight deserves better.
Ooooooh
I grind it
She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place.
She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters.
And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal.
Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest.
She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel.
Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them.
Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating.
When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them.
The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery.
Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH.
Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.
@@Onyxseyes bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag.
Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats.
Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced.
You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.
Squirrelflight deserved better
Yeah she deserves so much better
I feel like both of the sisters (Squirrelflight and Leafpool) deserved better
@@shaliabun No they are both selfish self centered cats that only care about themselves.
@@FantasticFawnleap how??
@@FantasticFawnleap How
“Rather sleep than stay awake”
Me:yea I do that
This is so amazing 😍