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(BRamBlEsTar is still alive in the books because leaders have nine lives)Bramblestar lost a life, and before his spirit could re enter his body Ashfur took it over

Contexto: Bramble se vuelve algo abusivo hacia Squirrel mientras pasa el tiempo

I think it was more of the matter people were harassing others for harassing people who liked Squirrel. Opinions are fine, but you don’t have to be horrible to others about your own.

@@HavensCorner ah okay, that makes sense

@@sleepyotter. Yeah. It’s sad tbh.

@@HavensCorner yep

@@sleepyotter.you’re one to talk. I’ve seen your comments lol

Dude what are you on? You’re spewing total BS. bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag. Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats. Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced. You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.

@@mwokozi The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place. She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters. And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal. Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest. She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel. Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them. Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating. When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them. The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery. Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH. Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.

@@mwokozi The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place. She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters. And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal. Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest. She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel. Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them. Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating. When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them. The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery. Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH. Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.

@@mwokozi It’s facts 😹😹 But of course you’re too stupid to see that so get over it. The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place. She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters. And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal. Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest. She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel. Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them. Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating. When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them. The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery. Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH. Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.

@@mwokozi The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place. She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters. And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal. Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest. She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel. Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them. Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating. When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them. The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery. Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH. Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.

How is bramble not leader anymore?

She’s the toxic one 💀

@@Onyxseyesno she’s the one being abused.

@@Onyxseyes shes literally the one who's being abused

@@MartiniiYeah Me when I lie:

@@MartiniiYeah My guy if you couldn’t tell already they’re both abusive to eachother and are toxic and not good for eachother ;3

I wish

Ash will still be a shitty mate regardless. He was obviously clingy and obsessed with her and was willing to kill her own blood-related father, her own kits and fostered kits to sentiment control, as he did planning to take over the DF. He would NOT BE DIFFERENT. Just more clingy and more manipulative, Bramble and Ash create the same outcome. He took over Brambleclaw’s fucking body *just* to hurt her.

@@Littlefox1213 i didn't say HE would be different. I only mentioned he wouldn't have been in the position of a leader to harm her entire clan. My point wasn't that her relationship would be better, because with the way bramble has been to her it would probably be just as bad. Sure Ash isn't the best cat for her but all the clans wouldn't have suffered by him because he wouldn't have taken over brambles body. Even if Holly had still killed him he wouldn't have reason then to come back to torment the clans and codebreakers. That's my whole point.

Funny because squirrelflight was jsut as toxic and abusive. Their relationship isn’t one sided they both are terrible to eachother. They’re both trash

@@Onyxseyesdude she’s the one always lying to him and hurting him what do you mean!

@@FantasticFawnleap I know lol I reread the books

@@Onyxseyesdude quit spreading lies. bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag. Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats. Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced. You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.

@@FantasticFawnleapno she isn’t. Bramblestar is so much worse and the few wrongs Squirrelflight had done against him he did even worse towards her on top of abusing her.

Yes, but not in most of these scenes

You’ve never read the books lol

The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place. She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters. And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal. Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest. She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel. Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them. Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating. When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them. The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery. Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH. Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.

@@Onyxseyesyou’re clearly never read the books. I agree Bramblestar’s isn’t as bad as Tigerstar but he is still a villainous cat. Dude what are you on? You’re spewing total BS. bruh tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. You’re twisting everything and Bramblestar has been abusive since the second arc where he takes out his insecurities on Squirrelflight. Hawkfrost was always a shady cat and mistreated Mothwing. Before Tigerstar came into Hawkfrost’s life he had already faked a sign from StarClan. Squirrelflight also didn’t trust Hawkfrost because he was a shady cat and she denied judging him because of his father and instead gave the reason about how Hawkfrost was too ambitious and was unhappy when Mistyfoot returned. Everyone kept assuming her intentions when they were wrong. Bramblestar never treated her well and always treated her like an apprentice. He’s bossy and controlling. Oh and he kept his Dark Forest training a secret from her and her told her about it which is a red flag. Squirrelflight didn’t just think of kits she also wants to do what’s right. She’s his deputy and he never listens to her. He is a spineless coward who would rather innocent cats die than stand up for what is right. He is able to empathize with cats and must have a similar event happen to them to understand their intentions. Squirrelflight also suggested kits and Bramblestar used that to manipulate her throughout the book. You clearly haven’t read Squirrelflight’s Hope since she was looking out for more cats and not just kits. She wanted to make sure every cat thrived but Bramblestar can’t move past his own pride and ego to look out to his Clan’s best interests. SFH was about Squirrelflight standing up against an unfit leader who is too much of a coward to go against his nephew to do the right thing and would rather spill the blood of innocent cats. Her behavior was nothing like Finleap’s since she suggested it once but Bramblestar was the one to keep bringing it up afterwards and when Bramblestar said no she took it as an answer. When he said he wanted kits Squirrelflight realized he wasn’t telling the truth and said no. Finleap wanted to force Twigbranch to have his kits but Squirrelflight simply suggested kits which is just communication. She told him her insecurities and Bramblestar used those insecurities as weaponized them against her like her fear of being replaced. You say she’s bad at communicating but when she tries to communicate Bramblestar either lashes out at her (because he is an abuser) or runs away. That’s 100% his fault.

@@mwokozi Learn proper grammar. The way that this victimized squirrelflight to the point of infantilization is disgusting. Stop acting like she's the victim when she isn't. She has abused Bramblestar since the beginning, and all his "abusive actions" are literally a negative response to how she has treated him. Right off the bat, from TNP, she blackmails him into letting her go on the journey when she had zero business going in the first place. She knew fully well that she and Brambleclaw didn't get along and that it would cause unnecessary stress, but she did it anyway. When Brambleclaw wanted to meet his brother, she showed disgusting prejudice toward Hawkfrost, all because of who his father was, and this was before Hawkfrost even ended up becoming evil, and this was purely because of Tigerstar's influence. Hawkfrost was clearly sinister to the READERS but not to the characters. And she made it very clear that she was jealous of Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's potential relationship because she knew if they bonded, she would come second to Brambleclaw, and mind you, that was before they got into a relationship, and the irony of it all is that squirrelflight has an incredibly strong bond with Leafpool. Leafpool is her first, and it's very obvious as she always puts Leafpool on a pedestal. Squirrelelflight constantly acted judgmental and hypocritical and blatantly harassed him over this, and even after the hawkfrost situation was dealt with, she still harassed him over the smallest things. During the breakup, she uses wording like "I can see where I stand in your life. I'm not as important to you as some cats-as Hawkfrost is". This has manipulative undertones, making it seem like Squirrellight has jealousy mixed into her motive. Making a lover choose between them or their family is never a good sign of a healthy relationship. This is quite literally guilt-tripping at its finest. She constantly manipulated him, ignored his feelings, and tried to force him to do things he didn’t want to. She used him to cover up the fact that Leafpool broke the code; she didn’t care about his feelings and got all surprised when he was upset that she didn’t trust him enough to tell him. And wow, the irony of some of you saying “he yelled at squirrelflight for trying to help the weak” when that situation was a matter of life and death for the clan. Sunset was a member of the sisters. The sisters had attacked Shadowclan and lived on their territory. If Tigerstar were to find out, Shadowclan would attack them and possibly cause unneeded bloodshed and deaths for something that was easily preventable. And funny because earlier in the books, when Bramblestar saved kittypets and brought them into the clan for shelter, squirrelflight berated him and yelled at him for wanting to help them just because their kittypets (the irony considering her father is an ex-kittyoet and she has kittypet blood) were in different situations. The kittypets did nothing to her, while at sunset, the sisters attacked Shadowclan and then kidnapped Leafstar. Squirrellight is the abusive one. And squirrelflight literally tried to guilt-trip Bramblestar into having kits by saying she wouldn't have much longer, when there was clearly a pressure point with Brambleclaw due to the Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf situations. While Brambleclaw could have handled the situation better by pointing out they've had two litters already and that his duties as leader are greater than his duties as a father, this still doesn't excuse the manipulative behavior from Squirrel. Her wreckless decisions of only thinking about kits are what started the whole drama in SQH to begin with. She went behind his back, made political decisions without his consent, and tried to move Skyclan off their own territory when Bramblestar didn’t want to move them. Squirrelflight is shown to still distrust Bramblestar, having paranoid thoughts that he doesn't love her due to not wanting more kits and that he'll have a second family after she's gone. Which she all fails to communicate. The funny thing is that emotionally, squirrelflight has a lot of power over Bramblestar, and she knows this. You people act like Brambleclaw/Star was always hostile when that is not the case. For the most part, Brambleclaw played passive-aggressive and, in general, was calm. He was rightfully angry when it was revealed that Jay, Lion, and Holly weren't his kits, but he continued to be a father figure to them. When Jessy came, of course, he caught feelings for her because she actually listened to him and wasn't at all like squirrelflight. And no, he did not cheat on squirrelflight. Catching feelings does not = cheating. When it comes to the situation of Bramblestar getting upset with her about only thinking about kits, Bramblestar wasn't wrong. He points out the obvious: all Squirrelflight had on the brain was kits, even if it wasn't just herself wanting them. The whole reason Squirrelflight was so obsessed with the Sisters, putting her clan in danger and the Sister's wellbeing over their own clan, was because of kits. Her "mid-life crisis" was being kit obsessed because she felt that kits would make her loved again and feel wanted. Not because she wanted to have children for the sake of loving children; she just wanted to have more for her own sake, and at a horrible time. And at that point, I don't even blame Bramblestar for being frustrated with her foolery. Keep in mind that she's gone behind his back, lied to him, and even involved their daughter while embarrassing them in front of their own clan by acting like a wayward, naïve apprentice. All the while taking advantage of her position as deputy and because they were mates. He treated her like an apprentice becasue she acts like one. Her bad decisions caused the worst outcomes for everyone in SQH. Bramblestar getting annoyed with her because she only has kits on the brain wasn't even the wrong statement. It was him pointing out just how foolish she was behaving for someone of her caliber, so I fail to see it as nearly as emotionally manipulative as Squirrelflights. When her behavior was borderline similar to Finleap's.

​@@OnyxseyesTelling someone else to learn proper grammar while misspelling multiple words/names and using the wrong "their" is genuinely so funny that it made me audibly laugh.

I mean he lied through omission about his Dark Forest training, always been abusive, defending Hawkfrost, rather cats starve and have innocent cats killed to invade territory of innocent cats because he’s to spineless to go against his nephew and stand up for what is right and also doesn’t like admitting things are wrong in the case of the territory issues, is unable to listen to reason, and is overall a scumbag and an abuser.

Даже не так

Первоисточник:*пуделя засунули в микроволновку*. Я:почему бы не переделать текст под кантри(автор скрыл)

This is just my opinion tho plz keep tht in mind

I actually believe both would have been bad for her. Bramble is abusive, Ashfur is hecking insane. If he can't take "no" for an answer, he shouldn't be looking for a mate However, i respect your opinion