One Rack Fits All? Old Man Mountain Elkhorn Review
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- One rack to fit them all? Bike racks have been around for a while, but most of them have fit issues. The Old Man Mountain Elkhorn Rack seems to have solved most of those compatibility snafus and was cleverly engineered to work as either a rear rack or up front, on virtually any bike. In this video review, Neil shares his thoughts after trying it on multiple bikes...
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Outline
Intro: 0:00
Specs: 1:08
Setting up: 2:14
How it rides: 5:21
Conclusion: 6:56
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I just got back from my first bike packing trip, inspired mostly by watching this channel. As I unpacked/packed at camp I kept thinking “A micro-rack would make this so much easier”. And lo and behold, I get back into cell range and a notification for this video pops up. Thanks, BP!
That is awesome! Thanks for watching.
Thank you so much for this review. I am so glad that CZcams put this review on my suggestions. This rack I believe should fix my issue with my new Velo Orange Mini Velo bicycle that I am going to use for week to a month touring. Awesome stuff and thank you so much and the beer on top of the hill was right on....
Absolutely defo in the market for one of these. Looks like the answer to all my problems (well not ALL of them but certainly the bikepacking ones!)
Trick you can do with the older Surly touring frames with trailer mounts to recess and lower racks. Cut off 10x1mm cantilever brake stud in the trailer mounts. Then can use a beefier M6 to mount the racks. Basically creating a thread reducer with spacers. Did this to my Troll. Now looks better and have more room for luggage or a chihuahua.
Was out of my price range when looking for front rack just the other day. Seems like a real quality product that I would otherwise choose. For most, this may be the one.
I appreciate your mentioning the low center of gravity and the way it effects steering. New enough not to know but traveled enough to understand.
Now to find the right bags for riding backcountry with racks. Budget, again, may call for a MYOG approach!
It’s a really neat product for sure
like it for front and the eyelets are a great idea, thanks Neil
Looks very similar to the Tumbleweed T rack with more adjustment
Looks great 👍🏻
I have several vids on my page with my bikepacking set up and front rack. I love my Krampus and I run a surly 8 pack rack. The thing is sooo solid! I prefer it on the front, i run a seat bag with a dropper on the rear.
Really like this rack from watching the video. No, I do not own one... yet. I really don't like the under seat sausage roll for bike touring and go with a rack on my salsa Fargo but mainly use dry bags. This would make an excellent rear rack. For the front I'm liking the Jack Rack and Salsa Anything Cages on the forks. Getting everything I need plus more on the bike for multi day on and off road trips. Great videos on this channel.
Hello, my name is Luis and I live in an Atlantic city in Europe that "observes" NY in the same "parallel". As I have been using the bicycle for 60 years, I try to be 20 years old every day, so as not to lose my curiosity about everything that is evolution, and that "youth" that I maintain, does not enslave me as a consumer. I have saddlebags (I'm an old traveler), some bikepacking bags and of course, metal supports, some DIY (unpatented). Now I want to comment on your video, the support base/support of your "bags" can perfectly, behind the saddle and front on the handlebar, fix them with some tapes without all that metallic frame that seems excessive to me. I hope my comment is not from an "old curmudgeon".
Can you elaborate on "fix them with some tapes"? Thanks!
@@LoganInTheWilderness Probably means straps.
Awesome option and love the versatility even if its at a slight weigh penalty I believe this will work with dual suspension rigs as well with the right fit kit was curious how that worked
I appreciate your videos. I ride a 2018 specialized diverge size 52 and I don't have the clearance between the tire and saddle for most bikepacking saddle bags. I have used an arkle trunk style rack I bought years ago that attaches to my seat post and put a 20L dry bag on top of it. It has worked but I worry that it will eventually damage my seat post. This or the tumble weed T rack might be a good option. Thanks!
Two Hearted Ale was a great choice!
An easy choice when there are too many choices.
Love bells. If your ever in kzoo check out their taproom.
My bike packing bike is getting Old Man Mountain racks ... A Elkhorn in rear and the divide on the front as lowering things and the extra utility mounts are a win win.. if I cannot carry as much meh just makes it harder to over pack
looks good
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For front rack I’d go for origin 8 or the specialized pizza racks....more beer 😉👍🏻
Great review ! I am glad we are finally realizing that bike racks were a great idea after all...
However, most modern gravel bikes don't have suitable eyelets for mounting a rack.
Some have eyelets, but those look more like they were made for fender mounts,
and not to carry the weight of a racks and panniers.
Also putting a rear rack on a carbon bike is not advised as far as I know.
I still have to see a good solution to mount a rack directly to a thru axel.
Good solution is the seat post mount I spoke about in this video and axle mount, no need for eyelets. I'll do a video on this soon, so I can show folks how this can be done.
We offer through axle mounts for nearly any thru axle bike. You can check them out here; oldmanmountain.com/fit-kits-and-spare-parts/
A good general rule to know is if the bike has upper eyelets for the rack extenders/struts the lower ones are likely made for racks. If there are only lower eyelets or lower and a single brake bridge eyelet they are made for fenders.
@@OldManMountainRacks Good info, thanks!
Racks have always been a great idea then, now, and on my next adventure.
I just got a ghost grappler and building it up over the next few weeks. Going with 27.5+, moloko bars, and probably one of these to round out the do it all feel. The bag you have tucked into the frame is nice, what is that one?
Sounds like a great plan. That bag is the Road Runner Wedge, check it: roadrunnerbags.us/products/wedge
I love this bag because you can easily fit two bottles in a medium frame and it fits every bike I own.
This rack looks pretty sweet. Have you tried the Tailfin? I would be interested in hearing your review.
thanks for the video for a total noob like me! - i have a Patagonia 35L backback with flaps that can be stowed away. Would this backpack be usable with this rack and some straps?
I recently picked up a salsa cutthroat. It has 29 inch tires. I plan on using a rack for the back. Would the tall version of this work best?
I appreciate you taste for Michigan craft brews!!!
I really want one, but not sure it would be compatible with my cannondale trail 6?
How do you like the Grappler with a flat bar? I just got the bike and I'm not loving the shifters, considering either going full GRX but that's big $$$ or going flat bar and hydraulic breaks. Cheers!
It's such a fun bike! I did a video on this which shares that its a pretty cheap conversion to flat bar: czcams.com/video/bXtmLOaEHhY/video.html I actually don't mind the microshift levers and hood feel, however, it's hard to beat the feel of those GRX levers.
Is there a mounting option for the rimbrake mounting hole on the fork? If not, I dont think its that versitile, because a lot forks dont even have the mounting points on the forkblades.
The extenders are made to be bendable in a vise so you can put a 90 degree bend in and bolt right to the brake mounts.
I could be miss understanding this, but shouldn't axel mounting drop the rack by about an inch? Not raise it by an inch like mentioned in the video?
I noticed how wide your bars are, I’m 6’6” and looking to change my Dr. Dew factory flat bars that are way too narrow for me to something wider like your! Can you tell me brand & size??
Digging those tan shorts you are wearing around the 5:50 mark and throughout, good length. May I ask who makes them? Thanks
Yeah, I love them. They are the Kitsbow Haskell Short 8" --- www.kitsbow.com/collections/shorts-liners/products/haskell-short-8?variant=39359310168099
*nice*
Cool rack, but I'm leaving my Karate Monkey rack-free: All Revelate and Ortlieb bags for my beloved Ape! For my Pugsley it's a different story: Surly racks front and rear, Ortlieb panniers and 3 x 29 tires. Had an Ogre once. I should have never sold it, alas. Leaving in a few weeks to bikepack solo from Oklahoma to Idaho, camping most of the way---New Mexico, Colorado GDMBR, Utah, Idaho, Oregon, Nevada and back to Oklahoma eventually. Taking the Pugs of course. I'll turn 69 in a tent somewhere in Utah or Nevada.
I heard that there were bicycle companies other than Surly, but I imagine that's just a Conspiracy Theory.
I have an Ogre....🥰it’s my bike for life...Surly bikes matter 🤗🥰🤘🏻.....enjoy your trip sounds a riot ✌🏻
Why didint u fix on 3ed hole from boutle mounts?
Hi. It comes in two sizes. Short or Tall. I'm
Looking for a rack that fits all three of my bikes. Two gravel bikes with 700x50 tires and a MTB with 700x2.34. So will the tall fit both MTB and gravel bikes? I see the short will only fit my gravel bikes
Safe bet is to get the tall, it will fit both just fine.
Sounds great. Thank you.
Awesome rack, just wish the platform was a teenie bit longer front to back.
Are you going to review the Old Man Mountain Divide rack?
Which North st bag is that? Looks cool.
The Trunk Bag: oldmanmountain.com/product/trunk-bag/
Kalamazoo Michigan thanks you
Indeed, thanks Bells!
I really dig the platform that acts as a pseudo-mudguard, but unfortunately the main strength of this rack is also it's main weakness for me and that is it's adjustability. I'd rather have a rack with zero adjustability with less bolts and moving parts to fail, but then that's assuming it happens to fit my bike....
Totally get that concern. We have 4 more bolts on this rack compared to one that the uprights are welded on. In addition to all of the fir arrangements it creates, we made that choice so they would be much much smaller to ship which significantly lowers the retail price and the carbon footprint of our racks. Those four bolts are M6 which have far more surface area to hold them in place compared to M5 bolts. They also come with Loctite on those bolts.
“There’s something about front racks and sixers.” - Ghandi
Braze on's on the rack, smart
The biggest gain of a rack vs seatpost bag... Dropper post.
You know it!
what is the name of the rack on 0.53? green bike on snow with white bag
Tumbleweed T-Rack.
I'm sorry, but honestly, I find it just practical and quite adaptable, but that's it. Neither pretty nor lightweight for its load capability, nor a bargain, as one could assume due to the higher weight. With shipping to Europe it'd cost me as much as on of the Allygn racks - which weigh about the half, are made from 3D-bent tubing, also come with a lot of mounting hardware und probably can carry about the same load.
Don’t be sorry, and I love honesty! All perspective are appreciated. I’m not much of a rack person, and I don’t have a ton of time with them, so this is me speaking with that in mind. Thanks for the comment.
The reality is, the more moving points/pivots the higher probability of failure [due to weakness at those points]. Yes the rack is versatile, but with versatility comes weakness.
Time will tell…
that is a good point as to why the amount of weight and the terrain will also yield different results in performance and durability. For me , I am just looking to carry my sleeping bag, tent and some clothing. I just have to make certain that I have a small bag or mini panniers as the bigger the bag the more I tent to pack. Great point you make. Cheers.
@@canica99 You make a great point as well -- I believe he said it can take up to 25lbs. Now, if fully loaded and the introduction of uneven terrain, those stress points, i.e. bolts are going to fail at some point.
Bikepacking is for the most part off road, so uneven terrain is a given. I am sure the builders took this into consideration, but not all bolts have the same shear factor. Now having multiple points to challenge that shear to brings high probability of failure.
Again, cool product and will for sure find a market, but for me I would not trust it on long outings.
@@Andy-vh3ns We definitely test our racks to the limits, think 4ft bars of angle iron well above the weight limit hanging off the back while hitting drops and rock gardens at full speed. We build our racks to leave the ground as often as you'd like. As for the bolts attaching the uprights to the decks they are M6 with Loctite rated for far more than you'll be able to throw at it.
@@OldManMountainRacks Sweet, this is good to know. Thanks for taking the time to answer the brain query. =)
Does it work with panniers?
If you look at the design not very well it just wouldn't provide a lot of stability. I believe this design is more for the small bag people, short trip, light load.
Hey is there a bike seat you would recommend
Brooks B-17 for me has always work the best. I have over 40 thousand miles on my current saddle and I do not use chammy when I ride and I have done over 100 miles rides from Ponderosa Pass in Oregon to Caldwell, Idaho and never had an issue. I highly recommend the saddle. I am certain others will tell you about the break in period. I have a process to do that and it works fantastic for me. Cheers and a comfortable saddle is part of the enjoyment of bicycling.
@@canica99 I'll look at it
@@momodeviluke5680 personally I couldn't imagine getting any other saddle apart from another b17, it's that good
There is a whole list on this question on bikepacking.com
bikepacking.com/gear/best-saddles-for-bikepacking/
Lots of personal preference here, I just started using a c17, and it's interesting, I like a rather stiff saddle but everyone is different.
It’s probably great for a rear rack. BUT putting weight up front THAT FAR from the axis of rotation of the steerer tube doesn’t work for me: Steering really suffers, and riding on rough surfaces is almost impossible (the load bounces…maybe bounces off). Up front I prefer to keep weight on the bars, or on the legs of the fork.
Good review, would be curious to see the rack with panniers. Looks like the single stay might not be enough to keep panniers out of the spokes?
Probably good for micro panniers
As long as you're using a pannier with a stiffener, you're good to go.
Now if someone would just make a minimalist rack like this or T-rack to fit a fat bike.
Check this out... oldmanmountain.com/product/divide-fat-bike-rack/
It is so short, do panniers fit on it???
It's not for that
no, even if the hardware on a pannier fit the single upright would not be enough to keep the bag from getting into the spokes. Works great with two Salsa Anything cages on the uprights and a couple dry bags strapped into them. I use 6 liter bags on the sides and a short fat 10 liter on top.
How come yall don't get ultralight gear , so easy to have all the camping basic gear under 10 pounds then food and water and bike parts elsewhere on the bike 🤔 would use less racks this way
I think it's no good for panniers, my dog or a slab of beer.
It's definitely too expensive. How to make rack more pricey? Add the word "front" to it lol
25 pound limit is too low for me.
It's certainly not for everyone.
Doubt this will fit a full carbon fiber frame with no mounting points.
Clearly.
It will with the axle mount I spoke about and any seatpost rack mount, I think a video is in order for this topic.
We absolutely fit carbon frames without eyelets. We offer an ever growing selection of thru axle fit kits and have a fit finder to tell you exactly which one you need. We could even put a rack on a tri bike if you wanted.