The main reason they've fallen out of favor is because of the weaknesses that come with not having a solid frame like you'd have with a swing out cylinder. Of course, some of those have been solved with modern manufacturing methods but that's the main reason
While they were not as strong as the Colt, and probably cost more to make, it is a good choice. The originals were not chambered in 45 Colt due to case rim and length. S&W came up with a cartridge that would work in both and the army issued that for all it's pistols. The new reporductions have made the changes to the gun, that S&W did not want to do, to shoot the 45 Colt.
@@MU-oi1su And a bit large too. I guess the S&W replicas are popular with the 'Cowboy shooters' while the Webley maybe misses the timelines. Still it would be fun. I wonder how many pre-orders they need to make it worth their time?
@@frosty3693One of the changes made to modern replicas in .45 Colt was the omission of the gas ring, which makes it unreliable with black powder. The gas ring was there to prevent powder fowling from negatively impacting cylinder indexing. By cutting the gas ring from the design, the reproductions can feature a longer cylinder, allowing modern shooters to use the far more commercially available .45 Colt without changing the balance and weight characteristics. Since most cowboy action loads use a black powder substitute, it isn’t seen as a detriment, but you should definitely check your loads before you run a competitive match.
Everyone always complains about how the Scholfields in 45 Colt, rounds can slip past the extractor, but if you use any other chambering they work perfectly fine. I personally wish they were cheaper because I would carry one in 357 with a snub nose.
My Father once found a Webley inside of a book at an Estate Sale many decades ago. The book was Homer's _"Iliad and the Odyssey"_ for those interested in some literature large enough to hide such a revolver. Great read too if you have the perseverance. Stay classy my friends.
I man I actually read the Odyssey. Took me a week and I will say it's was a great story. Seems as if most all story's about Hercules and Sinbad ect were taken from the many adventures Odysseus in his 20 year away from home fighting the troy and his return voyage. But you better pack your lunch,many lunches and take your time and not get frustrated in the style of writing. It must describe hundreds of rose-colored sunrises and other descriptions of sunrises and hundreds of descriptions of feasts and food that you have to trudge threw to get to the action. And the climax finally comes at the last 100 or so pages that is the greatest story ever. Classic fantastic boring and tiresome. But did read a true classic. I couldn't get started with the illiad I'm afraid to say..
You've also got the Wells Fargo edition which they bought from the Army and cut to 5". Very cool revolver. I've wanted one ever since Navy Arms brought them out in the late 80's but never did get one.😢
I've always loved those, but they're impossible to find for under $1000, even from companies like Uberti or Cimarron, which are known for making affordable Colt 1873 SAA clones.
@@ndhunter621 They're all made by the same manufacturer, regardless. Uberti, Taylor's & Co., Cimarron, etc. are just distributing them and putting their own branding on them.
@SaltyMaverick I am well aware of this but from working at a gun shop I can say from experience Cimarron uberti guns are generally cheaper that Taylor's uberti guns. S&W used to do limited runs of their pistols for the people that wanted a true S&W stamped gun.
@@ndhunter621 Ah, ok. Regardless, I actually didn't know S&W did that before. Must have been before my time or something. I only started getting interested in firearms around 2010.
Ive always wanted a pair of those WF models. Also wanted one of those Russian MP412 REX revolvers that never got to make ot to production. Thats a damn tragedy.
Love my 3.5 inch Schofield. I use my speed loader for my S&W 25-5 .45 Colt. Works great. Also..when unloading the Schofield, turn it upside down as you break it open. Gravity is your friend, and the empty cases will fall free without getting stuck under the extractor star .🤠
Top break and all, the 1873 outsold and much favored over the Model 3 or Schofield for many reasons even with the 1873 slower loading. When the extractor jumps over the original 45 Schofield cartridge thin rolled rim, you were done in a fight. Black power was like glue. Todays repros and todays cartridges are completely different.
So was the SAA, hence the right side loading gate. The issue with the top breaks on horse back is if you have it open and your horse bucks or jumps, the cartridges will fly out of the cylinder. Someone on YT has a really great example of this
Bob Munden and all the other old school revolver shooters from yesteryear would teach to cock the hammer with your left thumb. I found that interesting. I discovered this in the late 1980's and have done it ever since.
Not impossible but it's asking a lot. You can get it in 44-40 which is basically the magnum version of 44 russian which was already a pretty powerful round.
.45 Long Colt? Never heard of that before. I HAVE heard of .45 Colt however, along with .38 Long Colt and .45 Schofield. No .45 Long Colt was ever invented though. 👍
I've even seen reproductions cut for moon clips, making the Schofield faster to reload than modern revolvers with swing-out cylinders. I love break-tops, especially ones with ejection like this. It's not always worth the reduction in framw strength and added weight. But considering advances in technology, engineering, and materials, and that we have scandium-framed .357 and .44 Magnums that are actually underweight for the recoil of the cartridges they're made to handle, I think the added weight and bulk and reduced strength of break-open revolvers are really historical problems that wouldn't be relevant in a good modern design. It would be great to see S&W, Ruger, or Chiappa introduce a modern break-top revolver that was faster to reload than competitors. All else being roughly equal, I'd buy one over a conventional revolver. I also wish they brought back smaller frame sizes. The J-frame was the size required to support .38 Special with the old steel. Back then, .32s used smaller I-frames, and there was even a .22-only "M-frame" (sold in the Ladysmith line). With modern reliably strong steel and alloys, we could safely use thinner, smaller frames. And .32 and .22 still deserve guns made specifically for them. Unfortunately, it seems revolver design hasn't significantly advanced in decades. We got Scandium frames in the 1990s and the Chiappa Rhino and polymer frames in the 2000s, and no developments since. The guns are still just old hand-ejector designs made by modern manufacturing methods. The hot new revolvers that are introduced at SHOT Show are just overhyped modern versions of old guns like the Colt Cobra (a small six-shot .38), and often heavier and more expensive than the old guns. Semi-autos have continued to evolve and improve and revolvers generally have not. I still think they have a niche and make good backup guns and hunting guns, but semi-autos have made major inroads into those traditional revolver roles.
Redbull? Packing a lot of wordage, and then 6 rounds, into this here shorty.... In only one take also. Would take me a week. rick in Tennessee. Patron state of shootin stuff. Bob Lee Swagger.
The best revolvete were probably remington or Colt, they had more power and a stronger frame. Schofield was an officers weapon, it wasn't strong as a colt saa. Sure it had thd fastest reload. I give it thar, but Remington 1875 still defeats in. It had poor accuracy, but that guns design meant it had lighter recoil & superior design than the Schofield and Colt SAA. Colt SAA possesses stopping power
There is NO such cartridge called ".45 long colt" it's just the .45 colt. just a fyi. Infact the 45 s&w/Schofield is actually still produced by blackhills.
If you're looking for a double action, not a Schofield variant of that revolver. S&W .44 DA frontier revolver is your guy. And yes, the Schofield is single Action
Sounded weak. You all most fell forward for lack of recoil. Like when someone shoots a lowly 44 special out of a mighty 44 mag revolver or a aunt Nancy 38 special from a respectical 357 mag. Just ain't nearly as much fun. Is the 45 Schofield a Nancy boy cartridge? Or is it a Nancy boy loading? Even sounds anemic.😅
It is just .45 Colt...there never was a .45 short Colt cartridge, therefore Colt never called it a Long Colt because they didn’t have to differentiate between two different cartridges like they did with others like the .38 short and long. It is only refered to as Long Colt because people keep spreading the wrong name because they don’t know any better. Kinda like calling a Magazine a "Clip", which is incorrect, as well. Please stop adding to the problem of incorrect nomenclature. 🤦🏽♂️
You're right there wasn't a "short" colt or a "long" colt but supply chain issues with both Colts and Schofield's being issued caused a headache when the Schofield carrying troopers got the damn "long, colt" cartridges.
Love the Schofield; But I DO THINK the Webley is Just a Little Feasible to Me!!! No Disrespect or Offense to the Schofield!! However I Love the Webley Because of the Double Action Kind Sir!!!😁😁😁🤎🤎🤎🖤🖤🖤🖤
Love the Schofield. I really wish we had more break open revolvers
S&W made 4 different single actions and 3 or 4 different double actions webley made 1 in even modern cartridges like 38 s&w and 45 acp
Uberti I think makes one chamberd in 38 special also
I want a mp412 rex that I can actually buy. @@pewspaws6795
I've loved the Schofield ever since Dead Man's Gun 25 years ago❤
The main reason they've fallen out of favor is because of the weaknesses that come with not having a solid frame like you'd have with a swing out cylinder. Of course, some of those have been solved with modern manufacturing methods but that's the main reason
Acknowledging the pressure limitations, I'd love to see a comeback of these break-top revolvers.
While they were not as strong as the Colt, and probably cost more to make, it is a good choice. The originals were not chambered in 45 Colt due to case rim and length. S&W came up with a cartridge that would work in both and the army issued that for all it's pistols.
The new reporductions have made the changes to the gun, that S&W did not want to do, to shoot the 45 Colt.
@@frosty3693 Hell, I'd take a reproduction of the 45acp Webley. The originals tend to be a bit pricey.
@@MU-oi1su And a bit large too. I guess the S&W replicas are popular with the 'Cowboy shooters' while the Webley maybe misses the timelines. Still it would be fun. I wonder how many pre-orders they need to make it worth their time?
@@frosty3693 At this rate PSA is more likely to surprise us with one than anyone else, and it would actually be affordable 🤣
@@frosty3693One of the changes made to modern replicas in .45 Colt was the omission of the gas ring, which makes it unreliable with black powder. The gas ring was there to prevent powder fowling from negatively impacting cylinder indexing. By cutting the gas ring from the design, the reproductions can feature a longer cylinder, allowing modern shooters to use the far more commercially available .45 Colt without changing the balance and weight characteristics. Since most cowboy action loads use a black powder substitute, it isn’t seen as a detriment, but you should definitely check your loads before you run a competitive match.
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"have some God damn faith"
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Everyone always complains about how the Scholfields in 45 Colt, rounds can slip past the extractor, but if you use any other chambering they work perfectly fine. I personally wish they were cheaper because I would carry one in 357 with a snub nose.
My Father once found a Webley inside of a book at an Estate Sale many decades ago.
The book was Homer's _"Iliad and the Odyssey"_ for those interested in some literature large enough to hide such a revolver.
Great read too if you have the perseverance.
Stay classy my friends.
I man I actually read the Odyssey. Took me a week and I will say it's was a great story. Seems as if most all story's about Hercules and Sinbad ect were taken from the many adventures Odysseus in his 20 year away from home fighting the troy and his return voyage. But you better pack your lunch,many lunches and take your time and not get frustrated in the style of writing. It must describe hundreds of rose-colored sunrises and other descriptions of sunrises and hundreds of descriptions of feasts and food that you have to trudge threw to get to the action. And the climax finally comes at the last 100 or so pages that is the greatest story ever. Classic fantastic boring and tiresome. But did read a true classic. I couldn't get started with the illiad I'm afraid to say..
Just made a book safe, they are surprisingly easy to to
I found a Browning M1919 hidden inside of that same book
“Orthur”
"I have a plan, orther"
@@johnroberts8609 “this is a good one”
You've also got the Wells Fargo edition which they bought from the Army and cut to 5". Very cool revolver. I've wanted one ever since Navy Arms brought them out in the late 80's but never did get one.😢
I've always loved those, but they're impossible to find for under $1000, even from companies like Uberti or Cimarron, which are known for making affordable Colt 1873 SAA clones.
Try pietta they make cheaper shit usually
Uberti and on limited runs S&W are the only manufacturers I know of. The Cimarron guns are usually a bit cheaper than the Taylor's.
@@ndhunter621 They're all made by the same manufacturer, regardless. Uberti, Taylor's & Co., Cimarron, etc. are just distributing them and putting their own branding on them.
@SaltyMaverick I am well aware of this but from working at a gun shop I can say from experience Cimarron uberti guns are generally cheaper that Taylor's uberti guns. S&W used to do limited runs of their pistols for the people that wanted a true S&W stamped gun.
@@ndhunter621 Ah, ok. Regardless, I actually didn't know S&W did that before. Must have been before my time or something. I only started getting interested in firearms around 2010.
My favorite revolver of the era.
My personal favorite!
Ive always wanted a pair of those WF models.
Also wanted one of those Russian MP412 REX revolvers that never got to make ot to production. Thats a damn tragedy.
Mine is in 44-40. The same as my COLT SA (both repos) and my original Winchester.
Love my 3.5 inch Schofield.
I use my speed loader for my S&W 25-5 .45 Colt. Works great.
Also..when unloading the Schofield, turn it upside down as you break it open. Gravity is your friend, and the empty cases will fall free without getting stuck under the extractor star .🤠
Definitely one of my two favourite old west revolvers!
It was quite popular with the cavalry, being easier to load on horse back. Not being in 45 Colt is probably what killed it.
Top break and all, the 1873 outsold and much favored over the Model 3 or Schofield for many reasons even with the 1873 slower loading. When the extractor jumps over the original 45 Schofield cartridge thin rolled rim, you were done in a fight. Black power was like glue. Todays repros and todays cartridges are completely different.
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The revolver, Virgil Earp, (Sam Elliott) carried in the movie “tombstone“.
Makes speed loaders much more effective.
Still usable today really
25-5 models are quite effective!
The design was meant for horse cavalry so they could load and unload with one hand while keeping the reins in the other hand.
So was the SAA, hence the right side loading gate. The issue with the top breaks on horse back is if you have it open and your horse bucks or jumps, the cartridges will fly out of the cylinder. Someone on YT has a really great example of this
Very nice!
One of my favorite revolvers.
Thank you for cocking it correctly as you fire it.
Wished I could afford one!
I once saw a documentary about a retired outlaw. He used one of these to avenge the death of his best pal by a scumbag sheriff.
Yeah, I saw that documentary as well. It was pretty good.
Man those are cool,yeah I want one.
The Colt held up better for pistol whipping, which was an important consideration in the day.
Bob Munden and all the other old school revolver shooters from yesteryear would teach to cock the hammer with your left thumb. I found that interesting. I discovered this in the late 1980's and have done it ever since.
I agree!
M&H revolver was the best revolver in old west IMHO. Though I also love the S&W's of that period too.
Charlie Prince sends his regards.
The Italian gunmakers make a copy of this with modern steel which means higher pressure for reloaders.
Schofield!
The history buff
He's delulu
maybe a speed loader ?
Is there space to use moon-clips? Any ever made for the Schofield?
While it was a faster reload for a cavalry trooper, they were far more delicate than the Colt SAA.
Can the Schofield design handle the .44 rem mag?
If had only been a double action revolver
LOVE these old guns. Just a shame we'll never see one in 357 magnum or 44 magnum. It's impossible to have one of these done in them calibers.
Not impossible but it's asking a lot. You can get it in 44-40 which is basically the magnum version of 44 russian which was already a pretty powerful round.
@@kevinforget549 fair enough.
Only if you think reloading in a gunfight is a big deal. Really that was just the odd gunfighter, outlaws and the army.
What's faster, a Schofield or a cylinder swap on a '58 Remington?
I prefer the 44 wcf version I have but cool none the less.
So...since speed loaders were not available then, you would be loading it one at a time. Kind of like the S.A.A...which was a stronger design.
The revolver of choice of Jesse James 👍🏻
R E V O L V E R !!!
45 colt no 45 short colt
Ever existed
Am I correct in the legend says Jesse James had a .36 cal schofield?
It was chambered in other calibers like .44 Russian also
The Schofield never was. The S&W model #3 Russian model was chambered in 44 Russian. The number 3 actually has a different locking mechanism.
.45 Long Colt? Never heard of that before. I HAVE heard of .45 Colt however, along with .38 Long Colt and .45 Schofield. No .45 Long Colt was ever invented though. 👍
I've even seen reproductions cut for moon clips, making the Schofield faster to reload than modern revolvers with swing-out cylinders.
I love break-tops, especially ones with ejection like this. It's not always worth the reduction in framw strength and added weight. But considering advances in technology, engineering, and materials, and that we have scandium-framed .357 and .44 Magnums that are actually underweight for the recoil of the cartridges they're made to handle, I think the added weight and bulk and reduced strength of break-open revolvers are really historical problems that wouldn't be relevant in a good modern design. It would be great to see S&W, Ruger, or Chiappa introduce a modern break-top revolver that was faster to reload than competitors. All else being roughly equal, I'd buy one over a conventional revolver.
I also wish they brought back smaller frame sizes. The J-frame was the size required to support .38 Special with the old steel. Back then, .32s used smaller I-frames, and there was even a .22-only "M-frame" (sold in the Ladysmith line). With modern reliably strong steel and alloys, we could safely use thinner, smaller frames. And .32 and .22 still deserve guns made specifically for them. Unfortunately, it seems revolver design hasn't significantly advanced in decades. We got Scandium frames in the 1990s and the Chiappa Rhino and polymer frames in the 2000s, and no developments since. The guns are still just old hand-ejector designs made by modern manufacturing methods. The hot new revolvers that are introduced at SHOT Show are just overhyped modern versions of old guns like the Colt Cobra (a small six-shot .38), and often heavier and more expensive than the old guns. Semi-autos have continued to evolve and improve and revolvers generally have not. I still think they have a niche and make good backup guns and hunting guns, but semi-autos have made major inroads into those traditional revolver roles.
Redbull?
Packing a lot of wordage, and then 6 rounds, into this here shorty....
In only one take also.
Would take me a week.
rick in Tennessee.
Patron state of shootin stuff.
Bob Lee Swagger.
Love by army calvary soldiers. Their was a Russian model also .
The best revolvete were probably remington or Colt, they had more power and a stronger frame.
Schofield was an officers weapon, it wasn't strong as a colt saa. Sure it had thd fastest reload. I give it thar, but Remington 1875 still defeats in. It had poor accuracy, but that guns design meant it had lighter recoil & superior design than the Schofield and Colt SAA.
Colt SAA possesses stopping power
Yup. The only way you could load a Colt or Remington quicker is by drawing another gun. Otherwise the S&W wins hands down.
I’ve always loved the old Schofields but I think the Merwin and Hulberts were better guns.
The colt didn't catch on in Britain because the Adams was better. Did the Adams have much presence in the US?
From the hip man we can't have it no other way
What is the problem you have with wearing eye protection?
There is NO such cartridge called ".45 long colt" it's just the .45 colt. just a fyi. Infact the 45 s&w/Schofield is actually still produced by blackhills.
Merwin & Hulbert Revolver was the best revolver of the old west!
Long colt?Still using that term in 2024?
Is that a single action only?
If you're looking for a double action, not a Schofield variant of that revolver. S&W .44 DA frontier revolver is your guy. And yes, the Schofield is single Action
Single action?
No such animal as 45 Long Colt , its just 45 Colt :) have a great day:)
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Sounded weak. You all most fell forward for lack of recoil. Like when someone shoots a lowly 44 special out of a mighty 44 mag revolver or a aunt Nancy 38 special from a respectical 357 mag. Just ain't nearly as much fun. Is the 45 Schofield a Nancy boy cartridge? Or is it a Nancy boy loading? Even sounds anemic.😅
No such thing as 45 long colt!
Any problem with 45LC rims slipping over the extractor?
Only if you open it slowly. They were designed to be broke fast and over your knee to allow the empties to fall free.
You can tell he doesn't shoot revolvers much especially single actions.
Why does Mac have such feminine hands
It is just .45 Colt...there never was a .45 short Colt cartridge, therefore Colt never called it a Long Colt because they didn’t have to differentiate between two different cartridges like they did with others like the .38 short and long. It is only refered to as Long Colt because people keep spreading the wrong name because they don’t know any better. Kinda like calling a Magazine a "Clip", which is incorrect, as well. Please stop adding to the problem of incorrect nomenclature. 🤦🏽♂️
You're right there wasn't a "short" colt or a "long" colt but supply chain issues with both Colts and Schofield's being issued caused a headache when the Schofield carrying troopers got the damn "long, colt" cartridges.
It was called Long Colt because the Schofield was shorter.
Love the Schofield; But I DO THINK the Webley is Just a Little Feasible to Me!!! No Disrespect or Offense to the Schofield!! However I Love the Webley Because of the Double Action Kind Sir!!!😁😁😁🤎🤎🤎🖤🖤🖤🖤