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Grey equating AI voices in a scooby fnaf fan movie to literal sexual assault was genuinely pretty upsetting.
fr girlie compared springtrap to life ruining trauma
this is what concerns me about the use of the term "consent" in regards to producing commodities ie voice recordings etc. its really not appropriate. no ethical consumption under capitalism etc. and its weird that a voice actor believes they have ownership of intellectual property enough to consent to its production or use, especially when its owned by a corporation. its just way off, politicised way too much, and individuals are getting harmed while corporations get special protection. a lot of these anti-ai people knowingly conflate the term because they know no one can criticise the consent argument without looking like a monster. its really messed up
@@_e8a this is so true, the second you try to criticize any part of their argument, they just turn around and say “oh so you don’t care about consent?”. It’s such bullshit.
i think i get what they was trying to do (like AI being used to sexualize people who have not sexualized themselves or consented to it, it has been done before and its deeply upsetting ) but this wasn't the case for the video 😭😭 it was silly and goofy and hes new, you can't expect everyone new and wanting to get into the industry to all know the ins and outs 😭😭😭
a lot of people focus on the consent when its a sexual situation, like pokimane being deepfaked and having her voice be sexualized when shes clearly uncomfortable with it, but i've never seen someone say "oh you dont care about consent" but rather just that it's putting artists out of jobs and take traction from real artists
idk thats my opinion on it 🤷🏽
And you know she wanted to make it even more grandiose than she landed on. You can watch her choose to backpedal as she moves from "grabbing your..." to "grabbing you (without consent)"
I’m an actor and an aspiring voice actor, and I will admit that I am very scared of the effects AI might have on the VA industry before I even get a foot in the door. That said, this kid is not the villain. He’s just a young creative trying to make something fun. This vitriol should be directed at big studios who have WAY too much money and are trying to cut corners out of greed.
I feel the same way for art, I've started looking at other careers that I might enjoy becuase I'm scared that there won't be an art job for me to get
@@spookyurl4665 I'm currently back in school (I'm 29) and studying animation - pursuing other options is good and you should definitely keep your doors open, but if I can give a little piece of motivation to you, don't give up! Art is nothing without real, human emotion, and your passion is worth pursuing. 💜 I'm telling myself the same thing with my voice acting.
...what movies have you been in?
@@emilyau8023 I'm so flattered you asked, thank you! I don't actually do film, so, none 😅 I'm a stage actor.
@@spookyurl4665Quitters never prosper.
grey delisle actually got run off tumblr a decade ago for being out-of-pocket, so this doesn't even surprise me. she's genuinely unwell
I totally forgot about that 😭 now i have to look that up, cant even remember what she did back then
Its all a blur the early 2010 tumblr days lol
@@m3g_h4n So what'd she do?
@@m3g_h4nplease share what she did
@@rawtoast3466 i dont know for sure but based on some other comments i think she made creepy remarks about azula (14, another character she voices) and potentially others
i was about to comment this, shes always been a bully and gaslights her way out of trouble. azula was typecasting i guess
this was essentially a "practice" project, right? that's the most bizarre part of this whole thing to me. like, the analogy that comes to me is accusing an artist of plagiarism for filling out a coloring book page.
I had the same thought! Imagine a famous artist trying to black list someone for doing a study of their work lmfao he very explicitly stated this was a portfolio project, conversation should’ve ended there.
Was it monetized on CZcams? That makes a big difference in my eyes.
@@UhohlisaI have no clue about if the video is monetized but I think we also have to consider that his video took a lot of time to make and render. It’s only the audio for some characters that where generated not the time and dedication that went to make the full skit. It’s ok to make some money based on art you make, how many artists make monetized videos with audios that don’t belong to them.
@@UhohlisaI don’t think so? I think he stated it was non-profit and just for his portfolio
@@Uhohlisa even if it was somehow monetized, i doubt it would get more than $50 in ad revenue. ads dont really pay like they used to, its why you see so many sponsorships now
Not defending AI but the implications that anyone just making animation on an amateur level can totally afford to hire industry giants Grey DeLisle and Mindy Kaling is actually absurd
That wasn't the complaint.
There are sound alike
There are people willing to volunteer
But they didn't do that
No one is saying they should have been hired. But not being able to afford voice acting work isn’t an excuse to steal via AI. He should have put out a request and paid what he could to amateurs.
@@thesun5275the point still stands
@thesun5275 @ellaelise I will once again reiterate that I am not trying to defend the use of AI. I understand there are much smaller voice actors that could have been given the opportunity instead. It’s been a few days since I watched this video now, but I think it was Grey DeLisle’s comments about how he used AI when these actors, referring to people like herself and Mindy Kaling, are still living and working in the industry that prompted me to make this comment.
@@Uhohlisa I personally don’t think it’s a big deal with fan art. He wasn’t profiting off of it. If he was even attempting to make money off of it then I’d understand expecting him to pay. However, there’s a reason it’s not controversial that the art involved intellectual property (Scooby Doo and FNAF) that he obviously didn’t have legal rights to. People don’t care so much with fan art because it’s just showing appreciation and not making any profit. The second you try to monetise it is when it gets more controversial.
Most online drama doesn’t upset me as much as this does. A grown, privileged, white, rich woman straight up threatening an indie/homemade filmmaker who just wants to follow his passions. It sucks that Eagan was welcomed into the filmmaking community by a bunch of people berating him AND someone who is literally famous and holds so much more power over him.
there is literally no reason to include her race
@@skypiller4626it adds to the fact that shes privileged
I agree with your comment but why are we bringing race into it 🤨
@@ethandoodlez9987 Because the sad reality is that being white comes with an undeserved privilige. Emphesising her race, in this case, would boost how much higher up in rank she is.
This would be even further boosted if she was a man. (See: Straight, white man)
@@soupeater just because your white doesnt mean you're privledged. there's many rich black people and many poor white people, including my family. despite working and doing our best my family is still poor and anything we do have we've worked for, we have never been given something for our race.
Grey is a very creepy person, she has made icky jokes and comments about characters she has voiced, mainly Azula who is supposed to be 14. I have a strong hatred for ai being used to replace creators, but Grey was very much out of line
......oh.... It makes sense. You gotta have a little bit of azula in your soul to voice her like that... And also, obligatory Ewww, I am afraid to look up what she said ..
Wait what has she said about Azula and other characters???
She made a BDSM remark in regards to Ty Lee and Azula, and then another one where she was like Daphne on the Streets Azula in the sheets, I would look at it yourself because I could have misread something
@@LizKav-cb7hh DAMN WHAT 😭😭😭😭
Yeah I didn't recognize her name but the moment he played her video and I recognized her voice it all made sense lmao she's always been whacky
"the filmmaker" "in our industry" it's a youtube video, grey
I think there is a huge difference between someone trying to learn something new and utilizing the tools they have at their disposal and a company that can afford to hire people but choosing not to. And there isn’t anything wrong with him uploading/sharing it, the only way he’s going to get feedback is by having people watch it.
EXACTLY. He made it as a portfolio piece anyways, and had no intent to profit off of the project. People need to focus there efforts on calling out the greed of mega corporations, not independent creatives just trying to experiment and have fun
@@catkilledyes exactly. the only way to get into the art industry is having a portpholio of good work. nobody cares about you having some kind of art degree. you make a good fan film or whatever and you show it to the right person and they help you get your foot in the door. He did nothing wrong and this woman is a nutjob.
I think Greys reaction was so childish and Eagan handled this situation really well Thanks for the great content Austin!
Her video gave me Vegan Teacher vibes. Which is a massive insult.
I'm glad at least one of them actually apologized and meant it and actually cared that his words hurt Eagan but Grey? Nah, she doubled down and made herself much, much worse. I literally didn't know about her until now but oh boy what a trashy personality to equate it to sexual assault. Creep.
Grey used to be my favorite Daphne voice. she used to be one of my favorite VA's like just in general. not anymore, all of her takes on this has permanently soured my perception of her
I hate that shes mandy in tgaobam because i loooooove mandy but UHG Grey is terrible 😭
She's been weird and creepy for years tbh, that's why the vintage tumblr crowd ran her off.
RIGHT i rlly admired how versatile her work was as a va & i had no idea how much of a weirdo she was
@@rivetsquid8887OMG I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT
Same for Tara Strong
Grey is being ridiculous. She is acting like a toddler that is throwing a tantrum over being told they wont get a five dollar bill for picking up a toy off the floor. She is acting spoiled and like shes owed everything when shes not even involved in the issue anyway! She needs to grow up and step off.
Eagen is absolutely the most mature in this situation, props to him.
They're only 23 too.
No he's not lol, he literally self-described himself as a "kid" to try to garner sympathy even though he's a whole ass 23 year old man who knew better. Very "rules for thee and not for me" of him.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusicOh fucking brother. Please be for real. If we publicized every single mistake you made, where would you be? It’s so ridiculous the unreasonable standards the Internet has for others that YOU wouldn’t keep up in your real life. I’m 24, so I’m a year older than Eagan. I’m also a grown woman, have my own apartment, pay my bills, and I graduated with a doctorate. And guess what? My frontal cortex STILL isn’t solidified yet. I get speeding tickets, I always put my foot in my mouth, I’m constantly getting feedback/advice from my parents, I’m constantly reassessing my behaviour, and I don’t consider myself a full blown adult yet. 23 years old is not that old. Be for real.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusicInternet users will hold regular people to a standard you’d never stand up to major corporations or companies for. My eyes are rolling to the back of my head. He apologized multiple times, what else do you want? You want to crucify him for a mistake? The lack of empathy y’all have for other people is genuinely concerning.
@@Neomie92 I want him to show that he apologized because he was sorry and not because he was caught. He should take the original video down. He uploaded the new one with actual VAs so why has he not taken down the version that used stolen voices?
I've made plenty of mistakes in my life but none of those include stealing someone's voice or threatening the livelihoods of my fellow artists with AI generated junk.
“taking jobs away” it’s an independent art piece 😭😭😭
Hope Grey DeLisle is the only person ever to replaced by AI.
A bit much but! I do hope Grey gets blacklisted. Her behavior is just, unethical! And in this buisness unethical things get you blacklisted
@@gummywormee41Blacklist Grey, give Matt and Frank a raise because they don't act like her.
also insane for Grey to say "i will never work for this person" and follow up in the live with "just ask us we would love to collaborate :))" to make herself seem like a good person
Those are literally two entirely different contexts though. If you ask me for $5, I might give it to you willingly. But if you sneak into my wallet and try to steal $5 from me and THEN ask after you get caught, then fuck no, I'm never giving you a cent.
Right!! And you know she would demand $1000s from that poor guy.
🤮
As an artist who’s also working on a no-budget passion project, it’s insane how ready and willing voice actors are to support us. I posted my project on a website for indie projects and within days had filled every role with an incredible actor- knowing they wouldn’t be paid. Just letting any other creators out there now, there *are* options out there. It’s so different from the culture of other artists where volunteer work is nearly unheard of… we’ve got to support each other :)
I also just wanted an excuse to gush about my vas, because seriously they’re angels sent from the heavens above
If I had gotten to the voice acting stage just a few months later, and knew just a little bit less about how artist communities worked, I might’ve used ai voices. While it’s reasonable to criticize using ai trained from the work of unwilling people… this is just wild. I’m happy to see just how few people agree with her
As an aspiring VA and actor, I’m really glad to hear there are opportunities like this. Do you mind me asking which indie websites you use to post your projects? I’d love to check them out!
Thanks for sharing and supporting your VAs 😊
@@nghi-ya it’s called casting call club! It’s mostly VAs from what I saw, but there’s different categories for pretty much every aspect of a production
It's probably cause voice acting isn't as demanding as most other art roles. Unless it's a really big production a lot of lines can be ready the same day and might not even need re-recording. The actual editing of the audio files isn't on the voice actors side and if it's a no budget production they wanted to volunteer for there's usually not a whole lot of lines so they can easily squeeze it into their schedule.
Thats not saying voice acting isn't a talent or difficult. If your doing voices that are extremly harsh on the vocals it's definitely not easy, plus the practice and process of curating a type of voice is work in itself, but a majority of projects don't need 100% new character voices so it's a lot faster of a process.
With a good sound editor you can even turn voice lines recorded over a phone call into movie quality lines. (They did that in the teen titans go movie with Stan Lee)
@L_Aster thank you for the information to the voice acting Webseites 🙏🏾 have a great day dear
I just need everyone to know that Grey DeLisle literally tried to sell AI photos of Daphne at some event before people called her out on it lol
She's part of Gen X (the generation before millennials) who, in my personal experience, seem to lack emotional maturity a lot of the times and are reactionary straight from the jump. I've also witnessed this doubling down behavior after being called out from that generation, too. My source? I was raised by my mother who was born in 1969. She used to and sometimes does still display these types of behaviors but she's gotten better about it in recent years.
My parents were born in the early 70s so i agree 100% with this
Okay but "My source? I was raised by my mother" is such a hard-hitting sentence. Like, wow
YES! My dad comes from a big family so my cousins vary wildly in ages and it's sometimes painful when I notice how much more mature/level headed my millennial/Gen Z cousins can be than some of my Gen X cousins. When the 20-30 year olds understand nuance and empathy better than the 40-50 year olds something went seriously wrong.
Same!!!! My mom's also gotten better over the years but yes exactly!
@@raven_moonshine39Millennials are in their 40s now.
I've seen a lot of voice actors reasonably speak out against people using their voices through AI without consent, specially with a lot of videogame characters in which people used the vocies to create nsfw audios or say problematic things. Of course someone using a computer to make your voice say things you didn't agree to feels violating and disturbing. But that's so far from the case with a guy making a small animated movie by himself for what is clearly a one-person project done for his own enjoyment and with no comercial or ill intention.
The actress has a point but she was so rash in her response, completely ignored the context and expressed her meaning so poorly that the live ig video was definitely worse than all the tweets until that point. Definitely don't think even after all the messages and backlash she understands why she's wrong. Poor Eagan, sharing a passion project made with so much obvious effort and love to be met with this :/
Every time Grey responded, it was evident she was responding to her name being tagged in a tweet. It’s pretty deplorable she did no investigation.
When you have a ton of followers, it's a responsibility to just research that takes a few minutes to prevent causing a wave of hate to an innocent person.
branding yourself as being some kinda of good guy, anti-AI, concerned voice actor while actively shitting on a young/new film maker while acting like you're somehow the victim is so unbelievably shitty
Man, this is really sad. Ever since I went to this place last summer, ive been thinking about trying to make my own scooby doo episode to help with my art skills and learn a hobby, so seeing someone who is a part of scooby doo act this way towards fan creations because they created something is so upsetting
All the more reason to do it. Let it fuel that fire
@@loli_cvnt5622 chaotic energy is coming from this one 🔥😂
Don’t allow bad actors in a community affect your creative output
I feel really bad for Eagan, too, and I guess the best thing to do is to learn through what you've seen him experience. There are nutters sprinkled through all of life's paths, but don't let them extinguish you. In the long run, I think both you and Eagan will be okay, and remember that it's Grey, and not Eagan who is being regarded as the one in the wrong.
@@andyart5121absolutely chaotic 🤣🤣🤣
I still don’t get why she suggested a non-union voice actor? It seems against her point of protecting workers
Because of the strike I think some kinds of voice acting work is currently prohibited by the union, so you would need to seek out someone who wasn't yet in the union to do the work for now. But like austin pointed out she worded it very weirdly and made it sound anti union lol
@@christinaiverson2009Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the unions not care if actors/writers work on independent projects? I'm not too up on the situation.
@@beep3242It would be ironic if the thing formed to keep you from getting pushed around was aloud to push you around like that lol
@@beep3242 i believe you have to get the union to sign off on it to ensure you dont mess up and cross the picket line
Because non-union actors need these types of low-to-no budget fan projects in order to build a vocal reel and a resume. She's actually showing a lot of solidarity for beginning voice actors who rely on projects like this.
Everyone starts non-union in the entertainment industry. You need to actually prove your skills before you can get union work.
Eagen is the GOAT, poor guy got dragged to hell even by known voice actors and he was so well composed and so mature
Props to him, i’m 25 and in the art community and I damn well know I would not handle this situation like he did lol
Id be crying and deleting all my accounts, good for him standing his ground yet not being terrible about
Good guy, cant wait to see more of his work
Ok, let me get this straight. The world’s largest studio uses AI to bring Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher back to Star Wars and there’s not a lot of pushback. An inspiring young artist with very little resources comes up with a fan project parody and everyone is losing their minds. Makes sense to me.
While I'm personally against Ai art and voices, and I understand that many voice actors have said that they are uncomfortable with people using their voices without their consent to say some pretty messed up things(I would be the same), Grey Delisle handled the situation terribly and her actions were potentially dangerous, she actively encouraged people to harass and threatened someone who was just trying to make a fun project but just made a honest mistake, even threatening to blacklist them from the industry, its a complete overreaction that's potentially destroyed her reputation for many people and studios, making herself look like a bully and its absolutely disgusting
I really did looked up to her, she use to be one of my favourite voice actors and she was one of the first people to make me fall in love with voice acting, but after this and her comparing Ai voices to SA, she's lost all respect from me and many others
That being said I really do respect how Eagan handled the situation. They realised they made a mistake, apologised for it, said they were gonna fix it and all the while acted incredibly mature throughout all of it. I really hope they succeed since they have a lot of potential
Grey is either intentionally dishonest or completely delusional.
“It was hard for my brain to wrap around that”. Hun, you sure you got one?
Grey: "I was pretty hurt"
Congrats, you hurt your own feelings over something that had literally nothing to do with you
Grey has always been the Keyboard Warrior type
As someone who is deeply against the unethical use of ai. She sounds fucking nuts. To make him sound like he's like a whole ass studio just refusing to hire and pay voice actors and who's making bank on his tiny meme movie. When he just like. A guy. Practicing animation and using ai help him out. Is wild.
Honestly the take of "I feel like I'm at war with computers" sounds like a giant her problem. Her panic is not an excuse to try to bring the entire weight of a whole ass industry down on some guy who isn't even trying to *be* in her industry. What a wild thing to do
I love that you’re bringing in grey area situations on AI into the conversation; these are the new questions that will be discussed in future philosophy classes. I think the points that need to be focused on here is that it was a non-profit project, and the KID’s actual first project.
currently in an AI philosophy class lol and yes this is part of the discussion and it’s so interesting because it’s a pretty fresh topic
He's not a kid; he's a full ass 23-year-old man who even ADMITTED that he knew it was wrong, but he did it anyway because he felt entitled to it! He's not sorry he did it; he's sorry he got caught.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusic whoosh
@@CorinnePrudenteMusic Did you even watch the video?
I mean they could have just explained it to him calmly to begin with
no exactly 🤦🏽♀️ the AI conversation is important… but it was such a gross overreaction for established industry ppl to dogpile and threaten the future career of this kid
(especially considering he’s making 0 cheese 🧀 off it, and it was his first amateur attempt… gd let the kid be)
Exactly, the fact that none of them seemed to have read far enough to see his explanation about using AI and then given him the resources to find volunteer VAs from the beginning was honestly so disheartening. People don't get better when they're threatened and yelled at. At best you bully them into quitting something they could have potentially been great at, at worst they double down on doing things the wrong way just to spite you even harder.
I absolutely don’t agree with using AI for projects in Hollywood. But this was a small self made creative project for fun, learning how to animate. They weren’t looking to make money off it. Plus, the voices for Scooby Doo are iconic and through every adaptation are generally the same. I personally think it was okay for them to use AI to re-create those voices for this project - especially since hiring voice actors for a personal project like this could be out of budget. What would make it not okay to me, would be if it was for profit.
He doesn't need a budget; amatuer voice actors literally line up begging to do these types of project for free so they can build a vocal reel.
@CorinnePrudenteMusic he stated that he didn't know some VAs volunteer for their work
@@leizn that doesn't make it right. He knew that using AI was wrong regardless of the circumstance.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusic Except he didn't. You're just assuming he "knew it was wrong", despite him explaining otherwise. You're putting malicious intent on to something that wasn't malicious at all.
@@hbomax6542 that’s not what he said in defense of himself. He said he knew it was wrong but decided to do it because he was broke.
Eagan seems like a good guy. I don’t think he did anything wrong and he handled the situation perfectly. Grey acted like a 4 year old. Completely oblivious
it’s so frustrating that there are so many people who think they’re being activist by punching down. How do they not understand that advocating for yourself against people who have more power than you is not the same as having a disagreement with a stranger on the internet? Like yes speak out about issues but don’t throw allies under the bus.
She’e out here like “I’m here to protect the little guy against evil capitalism!” meanwhile punching down at a broke college student’s meme video with all of her power and influence. Yes Grey, I’m sure being SAed and having your life forever changed by life altering trauma is the same as not getting a few bucks out of some kid’s passion project…
This. Stop attacking fan projects and keep fighting Hollywood that wants to actually harm y'all.
He didn’t even use her frickin voice!!!
And also…I think we can all tell who’s in the wrong if one of the. Is srsly playing the victim so hard they compare it to feeling sexually assaulted.
He did use her voice, or at least he credited her.
@@redlily2893 He used the voice of Daphne (played by Indira Stefanianna) from the 1969 Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! series. Grey started voicing Daphne in 2001 and again in 2003 for the Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated Series.
@@redlily2893wow you clearly didn’t watch the video…
I went to school for animation, I am against the rise of AI in the ways corps have been trying to push lately, but I feel this is one of many great legit uses of AI. He was not going to get Grey to VA for him. He couldn’t even afford to get somebody online. He’s a broke college student and He what he could with the tools he had available and it didn’t steal from anyone or put anybody out of a job. I also know after years of following animation news that Grey is kind of an asshole with stone cold takes falling out of her mouth pretty often. I’ve distanced myself from the cesspool that is Twitter so I hadn’t heard of any of this but I’ll really have to check the short out, it looks so cute and well-made for a student! Thank you for bringing it to my attention!
im on the same boat as you, I'm against the Corps version of the AI Future, AI should be nothing but a tool and not a replacement, but Corps don't care, if we are to live in a AI future, were its in our Favor, Animators, Actors, and Many others have to fight for it, and we already had a Strike for it for Writers, Grey acted like an asshole, and she should've blamed the corps who are ready to exploit it instead of Small Time Creators using it as a tool
I love learning about internet drama that I would have never known about if it weren't for Austin and Nick
Grey's actually a pretty big, well-established voice actor. But I do remember years ago her getting into some trouble because she goes in way too hard instead of pausing to think for a hot sec. And this coming from me, who has ADHD & has a problem speaking before thinking 🤣
crazy how mature eagan handled this i probably would’ve lost it w the way she was coming at him for nothing. props to him lol.
It's absolutely wild to me that someone who is 23 years old is acting more maturely than someone over twice his age (Grey is 50, going on 51)
She's claiming she apologized and worked it out, but I don't see any proof of that.. wonder if it was a DM convo
I love the irony that is the fact that Grey getting scammed by some guy for $650 dollars that she commissionsed for artwork but the art turned out to be ai generated. Karma is a b*tch.
She’s acting like a 23-year-olds project on CZcams is going to be the downfall of Hollywood
since this voice actor lady is being very unethical by punching down on a small creator... would it he fair to blacklist her? (:
I imagine that as a fresh to the industry 23 year old, he did not maliciously choose AI over hiring actors (he even voiced Scooby himself over AI), he just wanted audio to go over his fun little passion project that he spent 3 months animating. The purpose of releasing the film was to spread joy, maybe get some reddit karma, and have a fleshed out portfolio piece.
This feels like if Disney were to copystrike all of the youtube kids channels making Elsa content. Like technically it's disney's IP but the creator of the video had no intention of their content being used as a viable stand-in for the original work which it was based upon.
That’s so backwards lmao. “I don’t want this guy using ai voices so I’m gonna make sure he can’t ever hire actual voice actors!!” Like… my dude, that’s just gonna push them to use ai MORE
Also, according to grey’s logic wouldn’t hireling an impersonator also be “stealing VA’s voices without their consent” like yea it’s done by a human but it’s still an imitation of the voice either way. All that not even mentioning the fact that it’s not her voice being imitated! the fact that even after having the situation explained to her she KEEPS doubling and tripling down proves how immature and dramatic she is. She makes the entire anti-AI movement look like a fucking joke.
I had no idea who Grey was before this but I hate her now lmao
Same. Lmao.
Same
grey delisle has been one of my favorite voice actors since i was a kid, this ridiculous over the top reaction from her is so disappointing. eagan handled this situation brilliantly, it just sucks I had to see an artist I really respected behave so childishly.
2:42 i brought this up in another comment i made in a different video, and yet there's people saying "but there's a bunch of people who would do voice acting for free!" Yeah, and usually you either need extremely good ties with said person if they're a good voice actor, or they just don't sound accurate. Not everyone has ties with every voice actor in the world. Plus the dude mentioned he'd get real voice actors eventually, having ai voices as a placeholder is better than nothing.
you also need high level project management skills.
Maybe I don’t know enough but I don’t think it’s wrong for people to use ai voices for projects that don’t make any money and aren’t defaming.
I loved the 2 hr video, Austin. It was amazing and very well researched. You gave such an amazing rundown and commentary. I really hope you do more videos like that. I'm really glad that Nick directed me to your channel.
Grey is literally so full of herself its insane she sounds so delusional, she knows it wasnt her voice and people constantly reminded her and then made a whole tik tok live playing the victim as if like the video was a personal attack on her and like actively lying about the situation
The fact that she isnt even taking this seriously is showing how she doesn't respect him.
Why should she? He shit all over the entire profession of voice acting.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusic do you think he meant to??? No. He didn’t, he was broke and was unable to buy work of voiceworkers, and thus, wanted to do their best of work, so he turned to the AI. He tried and did his best and even made a new one now.
@@chipkid He did, he even commented very early on that he knew it was wrong but he felt like it should be allowed because of his low budget. He knew better but chose to do it anyway.
He's not sorry he did it; he's just sorry he was caught. He hasn't even taken the AI version down.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusic He was limited. There are morally grey areas.
@@chipkid Even if this is a morally grey area, do you really think someone operating in a morally grey area is entitled to other people's respect?
I don’t think Jay was genuinely sorry. If anything he was apologizing for getting caught. Many people speculate that he be dancing in the end zone if he got away with it, same with Grey.
if anyone has any right to be upset over their voice being used in an AI model, if should be Indira Stefanianna. She's the OG voice of Daphne
Wasn't it Heather North Kenney's voice that was used in the FNAF video though?
Azula went crazy on this one😭
The way she phrased that making her sound timid without any nuance to the actual situation, giggle about it, making about situations that didn't even happen, makes one understand she has no clue what she is talking about.
Literal animators are at more risk than voice actors!! It’s literal fanart too!!!
Animators and VAs have the responsibility to stand with each other and not use AI in artistic endeavors. He broke the social contract that's meant to protect both professions. Shame on him.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusicNo they don't. Sorry, but where is the outrage for other jobs being replaced by technology? This is how capitalism works. You are not an artist, you are a disposable commodity. That is capitalism. And I care a lot less about people who are sad that they don't get to work their dream job than I do about people who are exploited and whose bodies break down because they were forced to work in unsafe conditions.
@@CorinnePrudenteMusicNo one has a responsibility to do that. No one owes you work in their art. NO ONE. EVER.Entitled assholes being surprised that they too are disposable within capitalism 😮😮😮😮😮😮
@@anne-zh2kdyeah, caring about artists means you’re fine with unsafe labor conditions in every other profession. Come on man
@@cameronc.2553I don't care about artists. I care about the exploitation of workers. Separating those that work in the creative industry from any other worker IS a sign that you think their rights matter more. You cannot find using ai voices( with the exception of taking voices from real VAs and using them for profit) unethical or wrong if you don find EVERY replacement of real people with machines or technology wrong. That is just a part of capitalism. No one owes a voice actor a job if they can profit from using technology instead. That is how this shitty system is supposed to work. And yes, supporting " artists" like grey delisle, who are not in any shape or form any kind of artist, harassing real artists who do not create for profit, is disgusting. It is not in itself unethical to use ai voices. You are not owed a fucking job. You are not owed your dream job. What is something we should focus on is how that may degrade art and make it more of a soulless product. What we should focus on is decent wages, decent working conditions for people who HAVE jobs in the industry
The Daphne voice actor is just making a point against herself The ai model isn't allowed to copy a voice actor but I am bc I also had to voice the same character. "And the ai model sounds like me" no shit it sounds like u u were copying the 60s voice actor wtf (this isn't worded well but u probably get it)
grey is a loon. her false equivalency of AI voiceover acting/stealing jobs to mf SA ??! incredibly upsetting. actually bananas yo
the creator of the short fan film seems genuine, and especially considering everything he presented (his thought process, his ability/means, him being an amateur, the fact it was a non-prof fan film…) i don’t think he did anything wrong. a lesson learned, sure, but established people in the industry deciding to dogpile was such a gross overreaction. an important conversation about people utilizing AI in their art could have been had without threatening the career of this kid.
great video!! 🤘🏽
Pretty wild that Grey is suggesting that the film maker should have tried to find voice artists to work on the project for free exposure. Yeah, cuz artists having people ask them to do work for free or for exposure is something artists notoriously LOVE to be asked
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I'm a writer, and I'm very anti-AI. It's not great that he used AI voices, but I also understand that this guy doesn't have the means to get 7 voice actors. I really like Grey, and I can understand why she would feel that way, I mean AI, while not as advanced as some would like, the whole like "in the hands of small creators it can work great but when it comes to big corps it's going to be hell". I mean what the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes are doing are trying to combat AI. I think Grey also has dealt in the past with people using her voice in AI. But it just feels like she keeps digging a hole. Like I totally understand being threatened and scared and why she would make her inital comment, but the constant tweets and the video is just... girl, please stop.
He was very mature towards the backlash. I wouldn't have been so nice.
I latched onto the channel via nick’s recommendation recently, but I gotta let ya know I love your video style. Your speaking cadence is chill and soothing and your presentation is concise. Can’t be just me that enjoys someone with a relaxing and comforting presence rather than “HEY WASSUP YOU GUYS”
People need to learn to ask follow up questions before blowing up
Yeah no as someone who is vehemently against Ai stuff, this really was not that big of an issue. At least not for a huge professional to be so rude to a random indie maker. Should he have figured smth else out? Sure, yeah. Did he need so many people attacking him? No.
such a great recap. I hadn’t heard about this but it’s a good example of people on the internet not interacting with content in good faith and just jumping to conclusions. Holding a 23 year old’s first non profit project to the same standard as billionaire corporations is crazy! AI sucks but Eagan is not the enemy.
A celebrity being unable to differentiate between fanworks/amateur work and genuine industry professionals is ridiculous.
But if a Union member voice actor worked for this Guy- they wouldn't be a scab, he's an independent film maker, not a professional or working with the AMPTP so he's pretty clear- at least as far as I understand the terms of the strike
Mad props to Eagan for handling this situation very maturely. It was really embarrassing to see Grey act like child.
I watched the video super early on, as I spent 90% of my time lurking r/scoobydoo sniffing out content to feed my small brain, and I had no idea a video like this would blow up so much. I think ai is a pretty touchy subject, but for a 23 year old college student making an animation video, there weren't too many options. Anyway, it's definitely not enough to out someone on -twitter- X just for using your voice in a small animation video, especially if it was non-profit. I don't know. The whole thing is pretty zoinks ruh roh if you ask me.
i think Eagen was wrong for using AI, but Grey was WAY more in the wrong for accusing him of horrible things without stopping to think. She has a huge platform, her actions affect others. It would be better and more productive to EXPLAIN why ai is wrong to this young man, rather than outright liken his actions to sa ?? He would've most likely understood and changed his behavior, and none of this drama would've ever happened
No offense but he's repeatedly said that he would try not to include ai in his vids and that he ONLY did it bc he couldn't AFFORD voice actors.
@@gummywormee41 yeah i know! i still dont think it's right to use ai though regardless 😅
@@WolfwashereBOOpeople make mistakes he learned and he didn't know that because he is a broke collage student like what do you expect no one should lash over something like this he didn't even make money from it
im sorry did you mean to respond to me? ;w;
that's basically what i'm saying here
i think it's unproductive to hate on him, obviously, but lashing out over it IS understandable. people are scared that they will lose their jobs.
i'm glad he learned, and it's okay he didn't know, I'm saying that she could've EXPLAINED to him why it's bad, rather than use her audience to attack him :)
As someone who has had to work on group projects, and who has seen how projects that involve more than one person fail, I see nothing wrong with using AI the way he used it. And I hate that he is being guilted for it.
Dang kids taking all these jobs of impersonators of an impersonation of a retired voice actresses' performance of a character she didn't create... let's blacklist them!
Ok the Springtrapped video is honestly fantastic. The animation style and story pacing is spot on with the OG cartoons, I never would have found this if it wasn't for the controversy and now I am fully against Daphne
This is so funny watching this after seeing more drama on twitter that Grey DeLisle literally spent like 600+ dollars on an artwork piece that turned out to be AI LOL it came full circle on her
im actually really disappointed and disguested by Grey, she was my childhood and to think she'd be so heartless with this and claim victim while knowing it wasn't even her voice... i dunno that i could enjoy her art anymore. She should have talked to him Privately and come to a realy understanding.
“Students” and “independent artists” are non union. There is nothing “weird” about telling someone to use non union talent on a non union project, instead of using AI.
He would have to hire non-SAG members because SAG is on strike. It made sense for her to write that.
Or just pay people off fivver to voice it for his little CZcamsr animation
This is a really good example of how both good and bad people can be against immoral things, and how good people can do bad things without being a bad person. For example, Grey is clearly someone who seeks to defend VAs from AI destroying their job market, being used to unfairly represent them, etc, but she isn’t a good person about it. She is so absorbed in her belief that she gave no mind to context, intention, or even truth. She lied about the situation multiple times and defamed him by intentionally misrepresenting him to save her own skin, and despite her lack of knowledge on the situation she threatens to permanently ruin this guy’s career, possibly his life. She fights for a good cause in a despicable way, and that doesn’t necessarily make her good.
Its hard to watch Grey keep digging a bigger hole for herself
I love how she calls this unethical, then suggests paying amature artists in "exposure"
So, a person with no formal art experience decided to make a short film. This was a guy working alone on Blender, trying to express his creativity. A solo project from a person with no formal training. He managed to get some voice actors to help him and learned how to voice Scooby himself. Then he hit a wall, with no money to hire anyone and no contacts to help him. He felt it was extremely disrespectful to ask an artist to give him their work for free, so he was at an impasse and didn't know what to do. So he used AI as a last resort.
As a last resort, just to get his work out there.
I can't see where these famous VA actors get off attacking such a small creator. He didn't "steal their voice" he just made a different impersonation of a cartoon character. He wasn't pretending to have hired them, he admitted that due to budget issues he had to rely on AI to get the project off the ground. He was completely transparent about what he was doing. And once he was given other options, he took them. Could you imagine Scott Cawthon getting upset at this creator for using AI to voice his characters? This whole thing just baffles me. It always seems to be this Convention set that have inflated egos and thin-skins and think it's perfectly fine to punch down because they aren't getting theirs from a 23 year old animator who's just starting out.
All art is precarious, but it does not give anyone the right to crush out a new creative talent because they feel slighted. If anyone owns these voices it's Hannah Barbara and I don't see them weighing in on this anytime soon. The actor doesn't own that character's voice, anymore than Robert Downey Jr owns Iron Man. Yes, I'm sure it must seem very weird to hear your voice being used in that way, but I'm sure Mr Downey Jr had to deal with seeing his likeness being used by fans in all sorts of ways. You become famous, that's what happens. It's part of the territory.
And in the modern day, some of those impersonations will be people and some will be AI. So long as it's used in a Fair Use creative way, I don't see the problem. It's when it's used by multi-billion businesses trying to make people homeless for the bottom line, or when artist's work is being scraped online so money can be made off their talent without their consent that these things are wrong and should be legislated against.
Fans should never be attacked for being inspired by what they love. I guess that's where the line is for me.
Sorry for the novel length post, this all just got me fired up.
I'm gonna agree how fans shouldn't be attacked over trying to do what they love with the limited resources they got, but hard disagree over Hannah Barbara owning these voices. The voice actors own their voices.
@@Excelsior1937 Hannah Barbara owns Scooby Doo. They pay people to write the story boards, they pay people to animate the cartoons and they pay actors to voice the characters.
Voice actors are just that - actors. They do not become Daphne, they do not sudden own any of the IP. They just voice the character as per their contract. Next time someone else might be contracted to voice Daphne. That's the way it works.
Sure, the writers, animators and voice actors should get a reasonable cut of the revenue everytime that cartoon is sold to a network or streaming service for reruns. But none of them own Scooby Doo, or any part of it.
You don't see any of the actors of the live action movies trying to claim any ownership of the characters, so why do voice actors suddenly get a pass when they act like they now own the rights to a character's voice? It's massively egotistical and shows a level of entitlement that is just staggering.
@@frostrider3704 You're getting into slippery slope territory now. There's a difference between a character IP and an actor's voice/face. Grey Delisle wasn't upset that he made a Scooby Doo short using AI voices, she was upset because she mistakenly believed he'd used her voice in particular for Daphne. Her voice is still her voice no matter what character she's voicing and she should still have a right to field what projects it's being used for. (To be clear, she was in the wrong in this particular case, but that was because 1. it wasn't her voice, and 2. how she handled the whole situation. If he HAD used her voice, this would have been a very different conversation.)
Let's change the medium from cartoon to live action, say, Linda Cardellini as Velma. Hanna Barbera owns the image of Velma. They own the character design--costume, hair, color palette, etc--but they don't own Linda Cardellini's face. There's a reason why none of the cartoons look like her specifically, because they own the character design of Velma, but not Linda Cardellini's likeness. Therefore, if someone made an AI Scooby Doo movie specifically using Linda Cardellini's face and body for Velma without permission, she'd still have grounds to get it taken down because they used her likeness without permission. It's not that it's Velma, it's that it's specifically Linda Cardellini as Velma. It's still her face.
The reason why what you're saying is a slippery slope is because the instant you start saying Linda Cardellini has no right to dictate how her likeness as Velma gets to be used then it opens up people to be allowed to make NSFW, possibly even NSFL, images/films/whatever using her likeness as Velma. She did not consent to being used in that kind of material, but by your logic, it's out of her hands because she doesn't have a right to her own likeness purely because she's wearing the Velma costume. That's getting dangerously close to revenge porn territory, which is illegal for a good reason. Just like QTCinderella and Pokimane had a right to take down the non-consensual deepfakes using their likenesses, Linda Cardellini would have the same right even if she happened to be wearing the Velma costume in them because it's still using her likeness.
Also, saying "You become famous, that's what happens. It's part of the territory." is just gross. I'm sorry, but it is. If an actor is uncomfortable with any kind of fan or public behavior involving them, they have a right to speak up and do what they can to put a stop to it. Does that mean they have a right to shut down every instance of fanart? No. But the instant you start making the argument that they don't have a right to their own likeness or how fans treat them it prevents them from being able to put a stop to the stuff that crosses the line and makes them uncomfortable.
@@raven_moonshine39 Since there appears to be a misunderstanding in my words I will make two clarifications:
1. Any kind on non-consensual sex, from private to porn is wrong. If a person does not consent to their voice or likeness being in NSFW content, then I am against it.
2. The "comes with the territory" is in regard to work being used within Fair Use Common Law.
In fact the slippery slope that concerns me is the systematic destruction of Fair Use, using arguments you have put forward here. No one is arguing that deep fake porn should be allowed, but it is used to shut down arguments about Fair Use all the time.
Any kind of contract acting falls under Fair Use. Even if Springtrap had used her voice in their project, it would still have fallen under Fair Use Common Law and no one has the right to demonise or blacklist someone for doing something that is legally allowed within Creative Commons. Even the use of AI in this instance is within the limits of Fair Use.
That other issue I have is with her statement of "I am the voice of Daphne" as if she owns that voice. She doesn't. There is this increasing forced grey area that certain voice actors are trying to bring in that stops anyone using their work for Fair Use in any way. She owns her own voice, she does not own the voice of a cartoon charcter she was contracted to voice. There is a clear distinction there and one that is being constantly eroded on the alter of parasocial celebrity.
Artists need to stop AI stealing their work, yes. But artists also need to fight for the right of Fair Use and stop celebrities eroding legal creative freedoms for their own gain or ego.
this falls very dangerously in the sphere of like, people who want to prevent fanfiction from being written. It's free, it's produced to be consumed for free, it's a remixed and newly created thing, but using things owned by other people. while I disagree with people selling AI created things where the core elements are stolen (such as the voice acting used to make these AI voices) - this project was done out of love, to be shared for FREE. It lies so closely to the witch hunt that fan creators underwent by authors like Anne Rice. We do need laws to protect creators' rights when it comes to AI, but we also need those laws to support fandom creators.
Grey’s always kinda been a bit big for her britches and not really known what she’s talking about before talking - then trying to use her “quirkiness” to soften the impression of her. Not surprised.
Im not a VA myself, but I've had the opportunity to ask industry VA'S their concerns over AI voices. They have expressed their concern, especially with using their AI generated voices to say things that would get then in trouble with the companies.
Using the voicesnas placeholders because you don't have the money or knowledge to go about recruiting VAs i think is fine. I think Grey was being childish and spent more time digging a hole for herself by repeatedly lying about things she already knew to be false when all of this could have been handled in private DMs
i keep pausing the video to read out the screenshots you show because im used to youtubers briefly showing evidence and not quoting it, and then two seconds later you actually read it out 😂 you're great man, thanks for going the extra mile❤
YES I’m so happy someone made a video on this🙏 I don’t think internet drama has made me this angry in a while. Bro did not deserve all that 😭😭
This poor dude just trying to practice his work for NO PROFIT- gets reamed out by people in the industry.
devastated at Grey doing smth so sketchy :(( she's such an iconic VA and seemed like such a nice person
I appreciate your brief summary at the end of the video! It helps put the chaos together at the end.
I'm very upset with the voice actors that overreacted to an animation that used their AI voices and expected a person that HAD NO BUDGET IN THE FIRST PLACE to PAY a million dollar voice actor to voice a *free* animation. At least Jay actually genuinely apologized (major respect) but that Daphne voice actor that first over reacted doubled down on her over reaction and acted even worse in response. At least the Shaggy voice actor actually supported the poor guy and told everyone to chill.
That girl has a victim complex😂
I really don't get people being okay with using AI of other people voices regarding if it's a fanmade project or not. Because the artist could have used many other ways without using the Ai. I wonder if people would be okay if someone was using their voice as they want.
The fact that the 23-year-old acted and handled this entire situation more maturely than the 50-year-old is WILD to me
Love to see you highlighting film drama, a lot of it comes down to claims and pov's and I greatly appreciate you highlighting someone taking advantage of that!
as someone who grew up on unabridged series i totally get where he was coming from. This all was for a laugh and love for two series.
Wow. Eagan and I are literally the same age and while i’m not in animation nor 3D modeling, I am a concept artist and drama like this is one of the reasons small artists like me are kind of afraid of posting things online. I don’t really know what people were expecting Eagan to do seeing as this was, like you stated, his first ever animated short film, made as a meme. What is the difference between this and the dozens of AI spongebob singing stupid songs? I’ve only ever seen animators with a decent following be able to collaborate with indie VAs, I doubt Eagan could have gathered talent like that without money nor fame. The one thing I absolutely hate about the online art community is that everyone is so quick to jump on their high horse and attack peers viciously, without even considering the fact that it can one day be them. Self righteousness is a really ugly thing in extremes…
that short film was so good! just a cute fan video.. he wouldnt have ever been able to hire them so its not like theyre out of money?? poor people deserve to make art too
I just have 'Why are you lyin, why you always lyin' going through my head when Grey is talking 🙃
My take is this: if you are purely operating as a small indie with zero budget and you are doing it for funzies there is zero harm in that. The artist is very talented and clearly demonstrates a huge amount of skill and the usage of AI is perfectly permissible. if it's a large corporation that has the resources to hire people and cutting corners and therefore killing jobs, I totally get the pushback. that being said I don't think that the backlash was at any way warranted and the people who created the backlash should be punished for trying to stamp out the career of an artist.