The SUICIDE SQUADs: The One Scene That Shows Why One Worked and the Other Didn't | SCENE FIGHTS!
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2021
- The Suicide Squad is a vast improvement over the original. But instead of listing a hundred reasons why, we picked just one reason: needle-drops. Specifically, the one needle drop in each move that showcases Harley Quinn's fighting skills. One is an eloquent expression of Harley's worldview, and the other is a Margot Robbie bashing the putties in an elevator.
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Edited by Ian Dugan and Justin Yee
#SuicideSquad #ReleaseTheAyerCut #SceneFights - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Hey all, sorry about the reupload. Had to take the last one down because it was demonetized because Harley *hummed* a song. So please watch this one or click to the end so we can show the algorithm some love.
This was a great video man I’m just gonna watch it again 😂
@@YungBenGriffey same, deserves a rewatch
Gladly rewatched
I am watching for the first time
You got it
I also really want to point out that her scene in suicide squad *MATCHES* her fight scene in the police precinct in Birds of Prey. That movie is from her perspective in her brain and she sees violence in a similar candy colored way. I fucking love it
It's crazy because Gunn didn't even see BoP yet when he finished writing the script for TSS.
@@jomareun well no need to see that movie so
You think she murdered the cops too?
@@bobaphet4125 💯
@Deh Alcântara no i meant the movie is not worth watching, not just the Harley parts
I’m just glad that King Shark has friends now.
I no friends too....
👉🏾🤚🏾
“Bird.”
~King Shark
@@Nevermore093 😞
and he know how it feels to be eaten by his friends
The harley scene was amazing. really made me a fan. plus that opening scene where the the first suicide squad dies, that was the moment where i knew that this film was going to be epic.
I got really shocked when I saw it in the movie theater! I hadn't watched the trailers or anything, and I figured they wouldn't kill harley quinn, so it was a big surprise when they all died! It really set up a movie in which no one was safe.
Scenes in general with Beautiful Chaotic Violence with Up Beat or Crazy Songs in the background is the only thing you need to tell me, and I'm gonna watch that.
Reminded me of Deadpool 2's X Squad.
Yeah this and the scene where they break into that camp and kill everybody to later find out that they were all freedom fighters.. Really great stuff and classic James Gunn!
He was told he could kill anyone(then said harley and peacemaker were off limits)and was actually going to kill rat catcher 2 off but liked her too much as a character and couldn’t do it.
I honestly would not mind an entire movie that shows how Harley sees the world. Like with all the cartoon effects.
If you don't mind something that skews more chick-flick, I really enjoyed Birds of Prey. It does do a few too many needle drops and I was a little underwhelmed by the villain but it's a very fun, camp superhero movie in my opinion.
If that hypothetical film doesn’t have a moment (either soft or badass, I don’t mind) with her talking about how she knows she’s crazy, but she wouldn’t change it because she prefers seeing the world her way, I’m not hypothetically watching it.
Because that can either be a nice bonding moment with another character, or her getting pissed off at someone insulting/trying to ‘cure’ her insanity. And either one I’m here for.
@@charlotteodonnell8175 That doesn’t show what Harley sees, it’s just colourful. So whilst, yeah, colour, it’s not exactly what the original commenter was talking about.
@@LemonMelon-vv2bw I get what your saying, but I would still argue Bird's of Prey is still Harley's POV. It opens with a cartoon explaining her backstory, she narrates the movie and there's the Monroe musical number she does after getting punched in the face which you would only see from Harley's POV. I totally acknowledge the it's not as effective as The Suicide Squad, but its probably as close as you're going to get to a whole movie from Harley's POV right now.
Well there is the Cartoon of Harley Quinn on HBO.
James gunn knows how make lesser known characters interesting.
We all know croc, harley, deadshot, boomerang, katana, joker, and waller through TONS of different media and comics. But characters like peacemaker and bloodsport, I've never heard of them but know I'm digging in to their history.
And that's why he's one of my favorite writer and director of comic book movies. He understands what matters most.
Uhh, I only know about Harley and Joker prior to Suicide Squad
Also Rick Flag was so well written in the 2021 movie, it made me sad that he died
@@narutosage37 agreed
RIP Polka Dot man. Or is he? duh duh duuuuuhhhh.
Honestly one of my favorite parts of the movie was Harley wearing combat boots for the big combat scene. More of this please!!!
Its ironic how a "deranged" (for lack of a better word) character like Harley is given combat shoes for a combat scene, while a supposedly level-headed character in Jurassic World is made to run in heels during a dinosaur chase scene. Says more about the Director than anyone else.
OMG yes! MCU and DCEU gotta stop it with making their female heroes/anti heroes wear heels to fight, some are so high I cannot shake the feeling they're terribly uncomfortable! My suspension of disbelief only goes so far 😂 also, wedge heels are hideous.
I have a similar dress, im weraing boots when the pandemic is over !
@@elbaecc the actress actually decided to run in the heels in Jurassic Park. That wasn't a director thing :/
@@hatesBarney4life I think the word you are looking for when you say 'director thing' is "director's decision". No matter who comes up with it, everything that the director allows to happen is their decision.
In the escape fight, she's not only separated from her team and the joker - she also had her latest hopes shattered. Just as she thought she could turn the page with a new guy, he was revealed as yet another dirtbag, and she had to live through murder and torture.
+Fiddler1990 Except that she was kind of thrown into that situation and she allowed her impulsivity to get in the way. After her team, Team 1, was mostly wiped out, she was captured and her captors had eventually given her that red dress to meet with that murderous president. After they had given her better treatment, she just simply went along with the charade. She was too caught up in the moment that after sleeping with the dude and him revealing his plans to her, her memory of what Waller told her and the team about this guy came back and she came to her senses. Don't forget that she barely knew this guy for her to start a new life with. It wasn't going to work out anyway. And if anything, the guy was extremely dumb to think that romancing and proposing to somebody as unpredictable and psychotic as Harley Quinn was going to end well.
Meanwhile in another universe harley attempted to rape batman.
Ironic, isn't it? 🤣
@@deathlight4210 Hence why there are different versions of the same characters in different universes.
@@deathlight4210 wait what- where'd u see that? holy shit lmao
@@yammymy Batman: Damned Graphic Novel.
Sequel to Azarrello's Joker GN, so yeah that edge is kinda par for course there.
Harley is such a genuinely loved character and I know a lot of people are “over her” but I think it’s just real nice to finally start seeing her as like a complex character and understand that she isn’t just some quirky villain and Joker’s groupie, but she genuinely sees the world differently and it’s so surface level. I hope we get to see more of her like this (even though Margot Robbie says she needs a break from play Harley LUL)
I also hope we get to see more of Ratcatcher II cuz I was so stoked to get introduced to her character and she had a way bigger role in the movie than I had anticipated. She’s one of the few female comic book characters I’ve seen on screen that I’ve personally related too (not to say any of female characters are bad I like a lot of them, just personally I connected with her). I also hope she gets introduced into the comics cuz damn I wanna learn more about her
@@aceymarsz1078 it took me 5 seconds to like her
Robbie said that she needed a break after filming Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad back to back. This was said when she was giving the press tour for Birds of Prey. She said being Harley can take her to a bad place and she needs a break. However, lated in the press tour for The Suicide Squad she said she was ready to play Harley again and loves the character (minus to abusive relationship to the Joker)
Check out the Harley Quinn cartoon series then. You're gonna like it. (it's not for kids type of cartoon)
@@vodkavecz It's fantastic. So funny.
I’m glad Harley Quinn wasn’t used as a sex object in this one. She has so much potential
Yea, she's still portrayed as "sexy", which is different from "sex object" in that as a sex object she's just eye candy, but sexy, especially in this case, can be used to her advantage as she uses her feminine charm (her sexiness) as a weapon to emotionally disarm her opponents and hide her advanced fighting skills. The enemy still sees her as just an airheaded bimbo sex object like in the first one, but in the second, it's only because that's the facade she *wants* them to see so they'll underestimate her and give her a tactical advantage.
That aspect of Harley's personality is actually fairly parallel with Black Widow's first scene in The Avengers, where Natasha is pretending to be a helpless "damsel in distress" while tied to the chair in order to gain valuable intelligence on the mob boss who tied her there, but then, like Harley's escape, she also drops the facade and goes full Bad Ass when it's time to get back to her team/commander.
as far as i remember Harley is great whenever shes out of joker but when they put joker and harley together writer always quickly turn them into abusive couple
@Ben Apatride did you even watch the movie?
@@uthopia27 Probalby because they are an abusive couple though right?
Also she's wearing boots instead of heals now 😂 that's what I love most about this movie
I just now noticed that when Harley hugs Flag he pats her back with his gun not his hand
No simp
respect ++
I thought that was such a funny detail
Well Flag done right is one of the the few actual decent people on the team
@@420MrFred That's not simping you pinecone....
@@br9760 Was as a joke you maple saplng…
Yeah, I'm not buying David Ayer's whole "not my movie" argument, when he wrote such lines for the Joker such as "This handsome HUNKA HUNKA!", "I'm an idea, a state of mind", and "Oh you don't want no beef? You don't want no beef? You don't no beef?", and lets no forget how he signed off on the joker having "damaged" tattooed on his head. 🤣
Oooooooooh fuck yeah that tattoo was so kitsch and out of character!
yeah LMFAO he's so weird 😭😭😭
He wanted to make a Joker straight from the Silver Era but with a touch of current era gangster/criminal. But that touch is cringey worth tattoo which we all hate. I mean look at the "Society" scene in Justice League. He looks so presentable as Joker but in Suicide Squad? Looks like a wannabe ksid trying to play bad guy.
I agree, I'm sorry for him but I'm not buying it.
Moreover, months ago he admitted that he had completely mistaken the main villain, and now instead "my film is a masterpiece"? Mah.
You just need to see how he wanted to start the film, or by telling the story of Harley and the Joker in detail: it may work in a film dedicated only to them, but in an ensemble film it is honestly a waste of time, especially considering that Joker is a tertiary viain.
On the contrary, as they said in the video, the prologue of The Suicide Squad perfectly introduces the mood of the film and what we are going to see: the characters who are presented to us as main characters (Boomerang and Savant) are killed without thinking twice, violence reigns supreme. and we have grisly moments accompanied by humor. We also see that Waller considers his subordinates perfectly expendable, first with the order to continue the mission (in which it is already highlighted that this mission is very important for the United States, which will be reiterated later in anticipation of the twist. ), then with Savant's death and finally with the discovery that Team A was just a diversion.
I don't remember if the presentation-trailer of the characters remained in his script or if he had done it in any other way.
@@michaelirsyad7979 I honestly didn't even like it in Justice League, but to be honest I didn't like that scene at all, it was shot like a fan movie and it was totally random and out of context.
Another reason the first movie failed; It's not much of a "Suicide" Squad. Only two team members die. One is dead bang obvious, because he's nowhere in the trailers. As soon as Slipknot shows up, I was thinking "I haven't seen anything in the marketing material with this guy, so he clearly won't last very long." The other was the fire guy, who after making a ludicrous declaration of the team being "family" does the nobble sacrifice thing... and that's it. The rest of the team gets copious amounts of plot armor.
Bigger reason the first movie failed: Pacing issues. The revelation to the team that The Enchantress was only a problem because of Waller's fuck up, should have been as much of a surprise to we the audience as it was to the characters. Instead, we'd already seen that revelation far earlier in the movie, because the movie was edited by the trailer team. So there's a large chunk of wasted time where the audience is waiting for the squad to catch up with us in terms of knowledge.
-Meanwhile, Gunn was able to save the revelation that Waller was sending the team to cover up the US of A's dirty work until it would have maximum impact for audience and protagonist alike. If we'd been told from the get go that Capaldi's Thinker character was continuing work started by the US Government, the discovery by Flagg would have been a weaker moment for it.
Speaking of that, in Ayer’s original cut, El Diablo was apparently supposed to live in the end, so the ONLY DEATH would have been Slipknot! 🤣 I bet The Ayer Cut would be a lot better, but that’s hilarious
Then the fight that happens immediately after, between Flagg and Peacemaker adds a whole lot to that scene. The whole fight I was just thinking "please don't kill each other," that's how attached I was to these characters I'd never heard of till this movie.
(which is what it should be, a character shouldn't just earn free likes cause I know of them from somewhere else and I already like the character, every character in this show proved why I should like them)
When Flagg was killed, the silence in that moment and peacemaker's expression was so sad. When Flagg called peacemaker a joke, you could see on peacemaker's face he thought the exact same thing about himself. The scene was so uneasy I love it.
@@axserwz5022 More impressive is that even with so many more deaths each one hurt (except the red shirts at the start obviously, but Boomerang caught me completely by surprise). I actually genuinely like Suicide Squad but Slipknots death didn't mean anything to anyone, and Diablo's only hurt me personally because I'm a fan of him from the comics. Every death in this one managed to have impact though.
@@bubblegum1366 Even the disposable decoy team that gets killed off at the start made me feel something, in that I was all "Dang, I wanted to see more of that guy!" I don't even recall what Pete Davidson's character was supposed to be capable of and the Javelin guy seemed fun.
In just a few minutes, I was excited to see what these guys would do, as opposed to not giving a shit about Mr. "I'm into rope bondage" and feeling nothing when he dies.
@@gregbasore2108 We never saw what Pete's charactwr was capable of because he immediately surrendered when they landed. But true Javelin did seem fun, and I loved Savant's actor and was pretty surprised when he cut and ran after all the build up. This is the proper way to do the sudden surprise death that the first movie just didn't understand, we spent several minutes getting a feel for all these characters and who they are and how they interact before they got killed off, meaning we have some actual attachment to them. Plus they were really smart by having the members of both teams in the promotional materials so we had no way of knowing these guys were gonna be dead 6 minutes in, unlike Slipknot who had never been shown in any trailers, and who was conspicuously the ONLY character not to get an intro flashback or even a description of his background.
Not to mention in the re-do, the whole fight scene with Harley focuses on the action instead of her body, unlike the original. She is a complete character, not just eye candy for the male gaze.
Yep. In the new one, she uses her entire body as a weapon, including her sexuality - she pretends to be a ditzy slut in order to make people underestimate her so that when she drops the facade, she has all of the advantage as they're not expecting her to be such a bad ass.
I thought the previous scene that led to Harley being imprisoned was really neat because it expressed both a very healthy attitude to toxic relationships born of learning from past mistakes and personal growth - coupled with a psychopath's logic in how to act on that healthy attitude. It was very Harley Quinn.
And it shows Margos huge actor talent.
Very healthy, nigga her idea of leaving a toxic relationship is to kill them Wdf part of that is healthy
@@imtoxiq_ No better way to make sure you don't backslide and go back to someone than to kill them.
@@imtoxiq_ Well the guy wanted to kill children and almost everyone, if someone had to be killed was him and the same goes with the joker
@@andrejosue98 preach.
i loved the scene where she just shoots the dictator after he maniacally tells his plans to use starro as a weapon agaisnt people who oppose him.
Gotta act on those red flags as soon as they pop up or else things just get worse. As a Physiatrist Harley knows that.
@@OmegaII (Psychiatrist) ... Sorry! :) Although she might have been a therapist in some storylines rather than a prescriber?
@@lostinparadice Dr Harleen Quinzel graduated with a degree in Psychiatry and is a psychiatrist, but instead of prescribing medicine she usually uses knowledge or therapy styles closer to psychology.
@@briapunze Thanks! I wasn't sure if that was consistent cannon or not, I appreciate it!
"i cant believe that had a bullet in it"
y’know what? it sucks how in this movie, harley’s massacre through her mind scene is so congratulated and thought to be amazing and genius, but the scene in birds of prey where the exact same thing happened as she was breaking into the police department. why?
edit: i would like to add: if you think birds of prey is gender obsessed, you haven’t seen the movie. they literally do not mention gender at all smh
@@grrrlknight to be honest, I haven’t watched BoP because it really came across as a pandering, “feminist” movie. And I’m a woman🤷🏻♀️
@@Denise_1374 BoP definitely changes how harley quinn was handled in suicide squad, the movie is about her breaking up with joker so i think it’s fair to say it’s gonna be pretty feminist. but when i watched it i didn’t even mind it because i thought it was cool she wasn’t being used for just panty shots and was fucking shit up
Birds of Prey was good. People hate on it for no reason. The only thing I hated was the faux dreads they made Jurnee have.
@@karatekoala4270 I guess I'm just peeved they had J break up with Harley and not the other way around xD I mean, the DC series Harley Quinn did the breakup premise much better imo ;) then again, had Ayer been allowed to showcase the real abusive nature of Harley/Joker's relationship instead of the studio presenting them as ''couple goals'' I doubt BoP would've gone in the direction it did.
whoops, went on a tengent there, sorry 'bout that xD
@@Denise_1374 I can safely say as a fellow woman, BoP is geared towards females. It's def a "chick flick" that's main demographic is teen girls. Basically the type of audience that'll defend it to the death, no matter how shitty it is. I say that as someone who lightly criticized the movie by saying the well done fight choreography covered up the weaker parts of the movie. They all shat on me for it like I was satan.
I love when she took those boots and wore it with her red dress for the rest of the movie. It looks so cool! And that entire scene of Harley escaping is just brilliant.
The flowers-and-butterflies part of the fight scene may have been inspired by Team Fortress 2, specifically the Meet The Pyro promotion where we get to see the world through his eyes. His flamethrower becomes a bubble gun, he thinks he's putting candy in his "friends'" mouths when it's really grenades, fire becomes rainbows, screams of agony are laughter, etc.
And in the game when you kill a player 4 times without him killing you, the game says " is DOMINATING ", but if you wearing Pyroland clothes, the game says " is BEST FRIENDS WITH "
James Gunn said that it was inspired by Lollipop Chainsaw, which he worked on with Suda51
it wasnt necessarily inspired, we seen these types of things before like in birds of prey, what we are doing is looking through the eyes of harley
It's like that adult swim clip of anakin skywaker killing the younglings but he imagines it's sunflowers in a field
Pyro is Harley Quinn confirmed
I was actually sad when some of the characters died toward the end. I was really afraid Shark King was gonna die like at six different points just in the last act. It really made you feel like pretty much anyone could die at any point.
I mean he can’t die due to his powers but if he did it would be stupid
@@darianallenwilson PeaceMaker Surviving At The End Was Stupid AF! My Boy,Polka Dot Man Should've Lived.
I was so sad when Rick Flag died. I literally cried because of that scene.
Hence suicide squad
The "don't tell us, show us!" was the biggest difference for me. No need to do monologues or flashbacks, since we are actually "watching" how the characters are.
I had total faith in Gunn because he KNOWS how to put a bunch of unknown characters in a movie and make it work, we have seen him do it before. And he didn't disappoint.
The Harley quinn escape massacre was the best scene the movie.
Yeah
There’s only one movie that incorporates pop music well…
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Shrek 2
Well there is Forest Gump.
@@Irish381 have you watched it recently, it does not age well
Please stop what's you're doing and watch Baby Driver. I was literally jumping in my seat out of joy and excitement as the musics and the visuals were one single intention through the whole movie.
Hell yeah
Shrek 1, guardians of the galaxy, and I guess megamind gets a pass
i agree with what you said here. i think i enjoyed Suicide Squad in spite of it's numerous problems but The Suicide Squad is noticeably better because it does a lot of little things "right" and that resonates. even the way Idris plays Bloodsport is preferable to the way Will plays Deadshot makes such a remarkable difference.
the first one was a transformers movie, don't think about it, enjoy the ride. nothing of substance is going to happen, enjoy the pretty lights.
@@mcdotterson4103 it really is, and it's extra funny because i loved the first two Transformers movies but will not argue they are technical masterpieces lol
Better use of blood sports humor really made a difference. Dead shot was super boring lolll
@@mcdotterson4103 yeah first one did have a heaping slathering of Bay'onnaise to it.
This was literally just that scene where Bloodsport said "He does everything I do" Peacemaker says "But better." SS1 and SS2 respectively.
The most clever comment I've read
My favorite needle drop when it comes to its narrative place in the movie was Sucker's Prayer for Bloodsport. "I wanna love somebody but I don't know how" shows up a lot as part of his character throughout the movie, especially with his daughter
12:56 when she stabs the soldier in the foot, the blood spray is in the shape of a heart
Thank u! I've been waiting to find someone else who noticed & mentioned it 😄
Interestingly, Gunn went on record to say that Harley's fight scene was inspired by a previous project he worked on. Co-writing the videogame "Lolipop Chainsaw".
Oh wow. That makes so much sense!
I can definitely see the parallels.
Lol both are similar in look and quality, shit
So, my brother (a bit of a DC expect, where I’m more Marvel) pointed out to me while we were watching the Harley self-rescue scene that in chronology this was happening after Harley shacked up with Poison Ivy. In the lore, Ivy gave Harley an inoculation to all of Ivy’s poison plants, including Ivy herself. Also in the lore, that inoculation was also a super soldier serum (kind of), that boosts Harley’s strength, speed, dexterity, resistance to fatigue and pain, and kinesthesis (the ability to understand where things are in relation to herself). And … pheromones. Those animated flowers we see? Pheromones. Everyone liking her to the point where they pause when she’s near them? Pheromones. We are shown her upgrades, but never told. That’s masterclass storytelling.
Oh, I'm a Marvel guy myself so I was not aware of that aspect of her character (I knew Harley and Ivy had a thing, but wasn't aware of Ivy inoculating Harley like that...) but that makes a whole lot more sense and completely changes the context of that scene for the better.
And yes, I completely agree, that's Storytelling Skill 100.
I completely forgot about this fact!! Very good detail!
Wow I love that observation I’m a DC fan and surprised to not have known this, especially with me being aware of Harley and ivy relationships from platonic bestfriend to romantic girlfriends
she def has it in birds of prey too - she hefts a super heavy bag of dog food at one point and it looks like it weighs nothing to her
im sorry which Ivy in wht movie ?
The music in the first one is mostly songs I've already heard in a ton of movies. It's like they picked it by looking at a list of the most common movie songs.
It was like they just downloaded an autogenerated CZcams playlist of pop music then had to figure out which character and scene fit each song the best.
Or they have only watched a bunch of those exact kinds of movies themselves.
If it's popular, it must be popular.
I tried others songs to sync the elevator song to and with a little wiggling Elvis' "It's Now or Never" and Peggy Williams' "I will follow him," fits so much better. It sets up Harley's mood and makes a nice contrast to the action. And I can completely buy that Harley would be an Elvis fan.
I'd be more surprised if she _wasn't_ and Elvis fan.
Great to see that specific Harley scene given the absolute praise it deserves - for me, it's by FAR the best Harley scene committed to the silver screen. She is capable, crazy, beautiful, dangerous, she flows like utter poetry. And we are with her every step of the glorious way!
I honestly forgot the whole plot line of the last version. I found myself thinking “wait, that happened” while watching this video.
Lmao me too, I saw it once maybe twice... 5 YEARS AGO!!
I’m honestly the opposite. I’ve already forgotten the new one.
I really felt that the Harley scene was almost depressing for me. It just made me sad to see how truly destroyed her mind had become over they years. Absolutely outstanding piece of cinematography
I like to think of the Harley escape as the "This is why we keep putting this clown on our spec ops team" scene.
Watching that scene, I was thinking, "The best way to destroy the enemy is to let them take Harley captive." lol
"Harley is alone because nobody else sees the world they way she sees it" oh so like. Flowery violence. *ekhem* Poison Ivy *ekhm*
But seriously they should finally introduce Poison Ivy and give Harley the healthy romantic relationship she deserves. Margot Robbie wants her introduced as well.
tbh im just so over the youth lusting over jOkEr/HaRlEy 4 EvA that i too am ready to see the comics come to life in a healthy way! Ive always been a Cat woman (Eartha Version)/ Harley fan for lady villans, although Ivy from Gotham was spot on and pretty toight
when he is talking about music in movies ...he is right ..music all by itself can tell a story of whats going on in the movie and sets the mood and mind set of the actors...thats why needle drop moments are always remembered ...
Yeah, I thought the flowers scene was the best insight into Harley. To me though, it's felt like the three films she's been in have portrayed her in 3 completely different ways!
Actually because of the flower scene i would say that the first film is the odd one out when it comes to harleys character. But not so much that she feels different. Like first film was harley where the joker was everything, birds was where she was trying to find meaning without the joker and the most recent film is where she has solidified her identity without the joker
FINALLY! Someone understands Harley's flower party scene!
That katana paragraph has gone past just being cringy and is now legendary.
Good thing i've seen the Arey cut of this video before
I loved this movie (The Suicide Squad) so much. I thought it was so much better in the first movie because of the character dynamics. they rarely got along but they were able to agree and connect over little things, and that made it real. My parents hated it because it was "all over the place" according to them and they thought too many characters died. But I thought it was great because of all that. it was different, it was humorous, and it felt very comic book. I don't care what you say, it is probably one of the best movies this year
This is was the first movie I watched in theaters after recovering from covid and it was one hell of an experience!
Agree! Definitely one of the best movies of the year.
@@fructuous7242 This is super late but glad you recovered from covid mate!
7:14 That perfectly in sync, that's amazing.
This was a great analysis! One layer I wanted to add was that Folsom Prison Blues was actually written by Cash when he was serving in the military, but he often told people he had written it in jail to support the character that he created for the stage. This is reflected in Savant's "display over power" over a powerless little bird, and how it's later revealed that his tough-guy façade is all just an act when he fleas into the water.
The "I ain't got nobody"-scene with Harley was such a cool scene!
Not only TSS is better directed, it's better shot.
I don't know how, I don't know when - but I'd love to see THIS Harley Quinn meet Ryan Reynolds Deadpool in a glorious-multiverse-mash-up-crossover
That would be epic.
I'm not entirely sure it would work. They're both hilariously crazy, but in different ways and with different motivations. Harley never breaks the fourth wall, but she makes her own wall and graffitis all over it. It'd be like eating Junior Mints and Reeses Cups at the same time -two great tastes that don't cooperate.
Well I’ll Say It AGAIN, Damn It!
The Way You Described Harley’s Perception Of Reality Was *Spot On* !!
I gotta "Um Actually" you here, "The House Of The Rising Sun" is ORIGINALLY about a prison. Granted, they used the Animals version, which was more likely about a whore house, but the "House of the rising sun" was the nickname given to a women's prison in Louisiana that had a sunrise logo over the gate. The original song was female gendered, and it stayed that way until the Animals came and shifted the perspective.
Doesn't mean anything for your larger points, but just thought I'd point that out.
* fistbump * It's good to see another trivia nerd that knew this
*Second fistbump* Thank you for saving me a lot of typing.
* *third fistbump* * Thanks for learning me a thing.
Yeah I'm glad a couple people are commenting this
Also New Orleans is not in Terrebonne Parish which is where it said the prison is.
I watched the first suicide squad movie when it came out a few years ago. Hearing about it again and seeing some scenes, I realize how forgettable that experience is. This new suicide squad movie is definitely not one I'll soon forget though.
11:14 i just love bloodsport in this scene, he's like "goddamn, another psychopath..."
Unpopular opinion: The original Suicide Squad wasn't that bad and was quite enjoyable
I agree with you. I think Suicide Squad 2016 is fine as it is. I'll never understand why everyone is so hard on that film. It makes no sense to me. I still want to see the Ayer Cut though.
Agreed and agreed. I also didn’t enjoy the new one.
i agree too, i genuinely enjoyed it. im not a movie critic but it wasnt that bad, it was actually pretty intriguing. halfway through the movie (at first release in the cinema) i got poked with a plastic bag to my eye so i could see anything, but i still enjoyed it all the way through.
Am I having Deja Vu
It really sucks that CZcams continues to demonetize your videos over nonsense. I will gladly rewatch this video and thank you for the awesome breakdowns.
The ayer cut script has been leaked and it’s got some… questionable decisions made in regards to the joker. Possibly worse than what we actually got with Leto.
where can I find it?
Well, sounds like it was cut for a reason.
@@kyleg1912 More than anything else they seem so many scenes unrelated to each other, which could very well be cut.
For example: Joker activate their nanobombs? Interesting, but no one dies and ultimately it leads nowhere.
The clash with Incubus? Nobody dies anymore and it leads nowhere to history.
The helicopter crash? It is useless and brings nothing to history.
Does Enchantress control those on the tentacle team? Cool, but it leads nowhere.
The first action scene? It looks like a video game and leads nowhere.
Slipknot's death? It leads nowhere (it's an excuse to make it clear that there is no armor plot, but it doesn't work if you kill the only one who is sure will die).
It's the complete opposite of The Suicide Squad, where each scene is central to the plot and characters.
That movie was pure cinema. I feel sad that I'll never get to watch it on the big screen, but it was an absolute flea t for the senses, smart enough to tickle the brain, and smart enough to know when to simply dumb down and enjoy the silliness of its own premise.
Also, reliked. Worth the rewatch.
That Harley Quinn escape scene was just unbelievable and badass , absolutely amazing stuff from James Gunn 👏👏👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 and Definitely much handled well than David ayer’s movie
Agreed. He understands Harley.
I just love Joel Kinnamans voice. He always sounds like he's half confused and half bored of what's going on around.
Harley's fight scene was just incredible
I honestly laughed extremely hard on Harley's rampage scenes (because my sense of humor is clearly odd). I loved the choreography, and I loved even more the bloodflowers, I think I've never had so much fun watching an action scene and I felt like I was watching a masterpiece. Great job James Gunn!
When I saw the scene where Harley hugged Flag I honestly thought she might be able to find real happiness with a guy like him
11:55 also, notice how one scene deals with silence vs constant noise: shown here is the pause before the needle drop gaging and building tension and intrigue before the outcome of the eventual musical outburst, while the 2016 suicide squad treats the scene like a trailer and keeps the music, and sound, at a constant that begins from the moment of the scene's commencement till it's eventual end. This disregard for silence is what separates cinema from marketing.
Never have I felt more joy than I did when I realised Shark King survived till the end. such a good lil shark mans. 💛💛
The fact that they spent so much time and money, including trailers, on the team that eats it in the first 10 minutes was such a f'ing baller move, and the way that they killed that team was just... *chef's kiss* What should've been a moment that would normally upset the audience was a gut punch that informed us that no one was safe, nor that this movie was going to follow any of the usual rules.
The thing about the first movie is that they installed the characters in a horrible execution, what I think would've worked is that suicide squad should've started in Amanda waller's point of view, the catastrophe meta humans have caused for their world, that already may have been a better intro than what we have got. Second, the introduction of the team, in my opinion the set up would happen when waller starts picking the people she wanted for the squad, you can then insert slight flashbacks or something or narration about the characters but not like how they set it up during the intro of characters in suicide squad its so lengthy, third she would negotiate to the government to let her have a team that would assist her in combating metahuman, I think suicide squad handled that in a meh execution. Enchantress can still be the main antagonist, her betrayal and stuff, also remove the joker and her brother whatsoever the main villain is her and her only, also don't I hated the idea of her being a plot point for rick flagg it's unforgivable, the enchantress could worked if she was already in an unstable condition then rick flagg grew sympathy for her, no love connection whatsoever. Then the mission sets off. Honestly, the squad walking around the city all through out the movie is the worst possible concept you can get for a team to bond. They need the deliberation scene like what they have for TSS, waller meets everyone, everyone meets everyone so on. I think it would have worked if there are more characterd for the team to set up waller's control over the squad like except for slipknot there are other characters who chose to run and got their heads popped not by flagg but by waller.
I agree on everything.
For Enchantress it was enough to follow the comic: I got to read the first issues of Ostrander's run for the first time and she became my favorite character, I'm totally taken in her drama as opposed to the film in which I didn't give a damn.
I mean this video showed that an intro similar to the Ayer film could've worked. The difference is, the ad agency that cut that movie tried to do James Gunn, but they aren't James Gunn. Meanwhile, James has frankly mastered the art of melding song with film, of leaning on the fourth wall and using the background as yet another canvas for him to paint.
Moral of the story: don't be James Gunn unless you can be James Gunn.
Great analysis of TSS, personally I love the Harley Quinn scene, it's pretty creative
Harley Quinn feels like a filmmakers dream character to work with
Yo, the peace keeper kill scene. With his music edited in. Bravo!
Wasn't video dropped earlier. Swear I saw this before.
I feel like I already watched this
You, my friend, have just convinced me to watch The Suicide Squad today. After class.
I'll be back when I do watch it.
Dude you're breakdown of these movies and your knowledge of music especially really old music is impressive and well put together man. I appreciate your insight.
The biggest reason the new one is better?
Easy
Nanaue
Nom nom
I only wish this movie came out when I was still in a job that involved radios. I would be inserting "birrd" and "Nanaue! Stay off the comms!" as appropriately humorous.
@@carebear8762 hehe that would be clever
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Yeah, I'm not sure Ayer Cut would be any better. There are more to the mess that is SS than just the editing and reshot scenes.
That's how I felt about JL Snyder cut. Lipstick on a pig. It was literally 2 hours of batman building a team before the real plot started.
@@mekkiepoo Oh, finally someone who tells this truth!
I don't know how people love the Snyder Cut (beyond fanaticism towards Snyder), literally it's two hours of nothing, twenty minutes of specious fight in which the team realizes they suck, a little bit of Superman at random and then fight the final. I think it's the worst constructed movie I've ever seen
True, for example:
- the villains;
- the fact that these evil characters are not evil;
- the fact that in the main film the Joker is inserted at random when he is not the real villain;
- atrocious and stereotyped dialogues;
- the direction;
- the fact that they are unrelated scenes;
@@mekkiepoo Snyder cut is far superior. It's actually not a bad movie. It's pretty good but definitely not great (went from like a D to B). They needed the 2 hours of building a team because of the biggest JL mistake - they wanted to create a JL movie when they really needed to have already introduced at least 2 of the 3 new heroes (Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash) earlier . The extra 2 hours of runtime made the movie much much better since you got more character moments but it would've been unnecessary if the characters were introduced in other movies prior.
DCEU really needs someone like Feige to bring the cinematic universe together. It's just a mess.
@@paynoattentionplease that was my point. It was too structurally flawed. Yes, the Snyder cut was better.. but it didn't make the movie great by any means. Just made it more bearable. They would have been better scrapping the whole thing and like you said, making more origin movies before trying again.
Awesome vid! Subbed to the channel... now I'm going to check all your old stuff out like an obsessed maniac.
Great job on the comparison/contrast!
This video is so good i'll watch the reupload gladly
Why was the first one deleted though?
@@mohamedaboelfotouh maybe copyright issues with some songs
Thank you for this comment. I honestly thought I had watched this video before, and it’s because I have. I thought I was experiencing some major déjà vu.
@@lucascastro8609 Yeah, me too, I was so concerned because nobody in the whole comment section talking about it until I found this guy
Only because at some point Harley hums a song and it got demonetized 😳
reupload??
Great job. Had to share this one.
I loved the analysis of showing who someone is vs telling how youre supposed to feel. Also love harley, and the scene where she was emotional they were coming to get her was so sweet
Well, Katana didn’t have his back 😭😭😭😭
Why did you reupload this?
Probably a copyright strike on one of the songs
probably monetization problems
Definitely a copyright strike on one of the songs for sure
I was thinking the same
Ahhh I thought it was Deja Vu
You NAILED this review ! You literally NAILED it !
noooo i wasn’t ready for this to be over keep going
I still love the sad rescue team: yeah, was a really good plan too :(.
Finally saw The SS about a week or so ago and g damn what a great movie compared to the first. So much fun with all the characters!
Great vid, thanks!
Wonderful break-down. Thanks!
This is a brilliant video, thoroughly enjoyed the breakdown!
I absolutely loved the first team mission and how disastrous it turned out the moment they jumped from the helicopter. That alone told me this version was better.
I'm glad that somebody have noticed those needle drops in the first movie. Very well done, dear sir, great review
Very good review. I am learning a lot of info in here.
I am just so happy someone besides me got this because She is such a deep character. In the D.C universe, Harley is A character that is well worth flushing out.Thank You for such a good video
Wait am I having a deja vu or he really uploaded this video before?
He had to edit and re-upload due to the old one getting taken down due to a content ID match for a song melody I think.
There is immeasurable value in trusting your audience. No matter how much reason you think you have not to. It’s not just a needle drop when it’s telling people how simple you think they are.
This was a great video🔥🔥🔥
Why did this video get re-uploaded?
Is this a reupload? I swear I've seen this exact video already.
I absolutely enjoy the work you put into your presentation. -I came for your mom, but I stayed for the breakdown!
I loved hearing your analysis about the movie!