My prophet 6 journey and why it's going back (rants and some patches look at time stamps for more)
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- 0:00 opening rant and more terrible build quality
06:54 harpsichord / dulcimer patch
19:48 sample and hold pad patch
30:00 closing thoughts - Hudba
Appreciate a critical review for a change. Much more useful than pure gushing over gear. Thank you!
SAME HERE! ... Its really weird how bad the qualitymanagement is on these high priced instruments. I got a brand new Prophet-6 and the "Shape 1"-Switch wont work correctly (Support tries to help but the cleaning routine makes it even worse) plus my knobs were also loose - from the four rows they got looser from the bottom to the top row. I send it back to the vendor and as no new P6 was in stock I ordered a Prophet-5 instead. The P5 comes in crushed and "wet" box (I hate if that happens) and got a different problem with the knobs: The knobs themself are firm and steady like a tank BUT each knob got a different "rotational resistance" plus the rotational resistance changed several times "per" knob! It was not possible to create smooth movements - so disappointing! 😞 I did not return the P5 as I noticed that the resistance-issue gets a little better if you really move the knobs a lot times very fast - still not a complete fix but I was really tired sending things back! Also the mono-out makes crackles and noises with tr-cables and effectpedals / audio-interfaces (even when they were "not" usb-powered). I could fix it with an TRS-Cable for the audio-interface but still problems with different high-quality effectpedals from strymon, ehx, walrus, etc. 😞 Some weeks later the Prophet-6 was back in stock at a different vendor and took another shot on it. I lost my mind when it arrives and behaves totally weird and crazy! Pressing "Freq 2" in the AT-Section starts the Sequencer; Filter-Knob in the PM-Section dont work at all and some other switches in one section made changes for other switches in different sections 😞 I was so mad - how could this be on these pricy instruments from such an important company?! ... Thanks to their P6-Forum I saw that there are many customers with these and different issues - and someone had contact with the support and they recommend to open the unit to dis- and reconnect the one big flatband-cable. As it was weekend (no support on weekend) I tried it - and thanks god it works. Now my P6 runs perfectly and the knobs are also much better as on the first unit I got. I´m ok now with the P5 and P6 but it really leaves a bitter aftertaste after all these problems that seem to occur very often - too often - with other sequential customers and devices. you can only laugh about the statements in their promo videos that every device is tested heavily and precise before shipping. Even very cheap synths from behringer feels much better in build-quality as my prophets (knobs and switches). I think that says everything right?
Yeah I have never had this many issues with cheaper brands like Korg, roalnd, novation, Behringer, and others. These are flagship synths, they should be held to higher standards.
Send it back for a replacement. That’s the best way to get a manufacturer to notice and fix the issue. It costs the company significant money to take back in a unit. Keep sending them back for replacements.
To be fair I’m have already done that enough with these, now it’s eating into my own time of having to wait at home for a replacement and then ship the broken one back.
That dulcimer patch was really pretty.
I've love to see how to make something like that from scratch!
sorry to here of your situation, i do love the prophets i have the P10. and i always herd this synth rips and never herd of quality issues though.
so they swop it out or money return fast and go with the Take 5 ( i also played/ recorded with the Take 5 and love it, especially its mod matrix / distortion knob i enjoyed alot )
I have to return my new brand ob6 too. Blinking lights by twisting the vco1 and lfo freq pots and sometimes the sounds stop… Very sad
My first Prophet 6 module had a broken lfo knob. It was a very early serial number, just over 200.
I bought a second one 3 years later and its been pretty good so far. The serial is in the multiple thousands.
Generally speaking early units of a series are the worst. For example don't buy a model of a car in it's first year of production. By year 2 or 3 most problems have been fixed. Generally speaking.
Agree that these problems shouldn't exist at this price, I think I was lucky that I got just one pot slightly loose on the OB6. The numeric button freeze on both units was thankfully not permanent and I'm wondering still to this day what caused it and why it went away? I've come to love my P6 and OB6 so much I didn't want to have to send them away for repair with all the extra risks that go with that.
yes the Take 5 and the Pro 800 are both much better than the Prophet 6.
nice channel. subbed.
Same here. Had tons of issues with many sequential synths including the Prophet 12 and Prophet 10.. Was too much anguish - back to plugins...
That's really too bad the prophet is going back. Best wishes that your OB-6 stays and doesn't develop issues.
You've been on a roll with these recent videos. They've been very helpful!
I hope the ob6 will last because it’s kind of a unicorn in sound design for what I need. That filter is ace.
I had tons of problems with first Prophet 6 I got. Got replacement unit which works. At least it has worked so far. Have to recalibrate it far more than anything from other brands. Wanted to get Trigon 6 module but don't want to deal with quality control issues.
I don’t blame you. On the side of calibration both my ob6 and trigon require quite a bit of calibration.
That’s surprising. I had the keys version for a few years and never had any issues. Wonder if quality has fallen since the acquisition…
There's a bunch of overlap between the Take 5 and the Prophet 6 anyways. Considering a Prophet 5 module is only a few hundred more, there's not much of a reason IMO to get a prophet 6 if you already own a Take 5. The Pro 800 is decent as well but at the end of the day it's clone of a synth that was meant to be a budget version of a P5. As someone who's played or owned all of these synths I mostly use the P5 and Take 5 for recording and gigging.
Also generally not a fan of those kind of click buttons. My OBX8 has a minor issue with one of the buttons and it's pretty annoying.
I’m probably going to just stick with the take 5 as my prophet sound.
I'm sorry man.. my p6 keyboard from 2020 has been perfect besides one knob being loose but I hope they will send me a new knob but I guess sequential has just fallen apart it seems..
Little weird with the used synths and cat/dog bits.. 😂😂 Just spray them off with some compressed air outside and wipe them down with some alcohol wipes...
I agree with him. i see it often. People list a used synth as mint (full of pet hair) lol. What if pet hair gets inside the unit, then somehow blocks a sensor, so now certain buttons don't work? Now I have to open it up? I don't want or feel like doing that. I prefer to buy new, and it's the only way I do it. Feel safer with a warranty too.
This is sad. Love, love LOVE my OB6.
Looks like the switch mechanism has already failed... just a matter of time before the contact stops working entirely...
Maybe they should rename that line to "Profit"... just sayin'...
Yeah it seems after it cools down it gets worse and will not register some presses after todays video.
Sorry you’re still having quality issues and sending back the Prophet 6. Those patches are great, that pad would sound amazing through one of your reverb pedals. Maybe it’s better buying used with the Prophet 6/OB-6, at least you will know what you’re getting (if seller is open about any issues it has).
I think Sequential/Oberheim changed pot suppliers for the newer synths like the Take 5 and Trigon 6 as they are stiffer turning and don’t loosen up like the ones on the P6/OB6. They do listen to customer feedback and make improvements, at least on newer synths. For years people griped about the panel flex on the Take 5 (really a non issue in my opinion) but I’ve read that people who bought new Take 5s and those with the TEO-5 have reported the panel doesn’t flex at all anymore.
That said, I have lots of synths and I always gravitate to my Take 5 every time I turn them on. It’s my favorite polysynth.
The take 5 and trigon do indeed seem to have the same pots which are very different from the p6 and a ob6. I also had no panel flex on the t5.
I think your right to return it. The problem will only get worse and its not like you paid $400.
I am suprised though, Sequential are a premium brand and you really are having some bad luck. My P6 was rock solid, never an issue in the 2 years I owned it.
Are they still assembled in the USA?
Good luck with your return
Yes the p6 t6 and ob6 all assembled in the us.
They may have farmed out the manufacturing to different places, not sure. Also... the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Who's supplying the links? Sequential doesn't manufacture those switches and knobs themselves.
@@djjiffiepop very true but it could also be mishandling pre or post assembly in the manufacturing process.
Yep, they are. Tour starts at 21:06
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Do they make the the Take-5 (And likely will be making the TEO-5) out of the same facility this came out of? ....Maybe you just got unlucky? Hope it all works out.
No, the current take 5s are made in china and not the us like the more pricey gear.
@@YukiTheSynthDragon The irony being that quality control at their Chinese plant may be better than in the Bay area. I kinda feel like there's always the possibility of rolling a snake eyes, no matter where it's made or how prestigious the brand's reputation.
Hydrasynth is built like a tank.
Have you tried a Rev2? It's the most expensive synth I've ever bought new, and I'm not entirely happy with it either. It's not about build quality though, it's the resolution of modulation being too coarse, especially for detune and unison spread. They both go up to 127, but 1 is almost too much, for me, so it may as well just be a switch.
The Mopho and Tetr4 are the same, but I bought those cheaply, used, so that doesn't bother me so much.
There's a thread on the Sequential forum that claims you can modulate one mod slot with another, to get finer modulation. Maybe that was true in a previous firmware, but in the final one it's not - the modulation is additive, not a multiplier, when you do that.
I have not used a rev 2 but I have heard about similar build issues with them. I personally never liked the sound of the rev 2 vs something like a peak.
@@YukiTheSynthDragon I've never tried a Peak, but the user interface of the Bass Station II annoyed me so much, it put me off Novation :)
@@YukiTheSynthDragon I forgot to mention - I seem to remember Starsky Carr did a video about the Rev2 and mentioned having to send it back due to a dead voice, so yes, those have had quality issues too.
@@TooSlowTube the peak has a very good user interface since it has a pled display and proper menu system.
@@YukiTheSynthDragon Cool. I'll have to look into it some more. The biggest problem for me on the BSII was losing patches while trying to save them, because it kept timing out while I was deciding where to put it, and switching the same buttons back to patch selection, so I lost it all. I tried to discuss it with their support but they just tied me up for weeks claiming to not understand what I was saying, and demanding that I make videos showing what I meant. I had to conclude they were doing it on purpose.
man, that harpsichord patch sounds great, you should get some recordings thru the Meraki before you return it..
I’m going to attempt to recreate that patch on the take 5 and then I can do some external work effects on it.
zan nen deshita nee. gambate Yuki!
Not Again! 🤦♂️ Patches sound nice. I hope they make a Take 5 desktop.
A take 5 desktop and teo 5 would be great !
@@YukiTheSynthDragonDefinitely. Would be great to compare the effects on Take 5, Peak and Pedals. Or did you do that already. Anyway, more Take 5 would be great.
@@jumpstar9000 I have not yet. The take 5 does not hold a candle to the effects on the peak. That would be a fun video.
@@YukiTheSynthDragonThat would be a really great video then. A comparison of effects. Maybe throw some of your other gear in there as well. Could be quite a nice resource for people.
My Sequential Prophet X is an amazing synth, but so many issues. Support is great but….
Mayhe the switch to Novation hasnt gone smooth?
Which is crazy because Novation are great at customer service and quality products.
Prophets rule and Dave was a brilliant person that gave such wonderful beasts.
Hopefully it smooths out and retains the Sequential honor.
I love the prophet sound and yes Dave made so many things possible like midi.
I doubt novation has anything to do with this. I own 2 novation products (peak and launchpad pro mk3) and they feel and look as new. I've had the peak for years and never had any problem. I also owned an ob-6 and a pro-3. And i've had problems with the keybed on the Pro 3, and loose knobs on the ob-6. I was considering a TEO 5, but the quality control makes me think twice. I've been to a music store and played with a p6 and i was shocked how the synth feld, rings were gone from the knobs etc. It just doesn't feel premium. A massive difference from my super 6.
I do wonder how the TEO 5 feel. If the knobs feel more premium like on the Pro 3
maybe get the new oberheim thingy and lets do an unboxing and review
It’s on my radar, but it will take a few months before they are available retail.
Terrible luck. They can't say you didn't give the company a chance. Wash your hands of this headache and get back to enjoying your music.
I agree ! At least with the prophet 6.
really getting burnt out on hearing stories about quality control with synth companies in general. these things aren't cheap, and you would expect better builds for the price. fortunately, i've had good luck with my stuff from Sequential. my next purchase from Sequential might be a Trigon-6 keyboard. i'm hoping i find nothing wrong with it.
My 2nd trigon is solid
doesnt encourage peopel to get hardware this haha, i think im gonna stick to VSTis for a while.Thank you
Cheap crap parts.
Not convinced it’s cheap parts. Those digitast switches are like $5 each in quantity vs a few cents for a tactile surface mount switch. I think it’s bad assembly.