The Design Problems of the Bulgari Octo Finissimo
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- A discussion and review of the Bulgari Octo Finissimo, observing its Design, Inspirations and comparing it against the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak to ultimately determine how its design could be improved.
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A rare occasion when I disagree with IDGuy. I find the sharp edges absolutely perfect for this thing. It has a futuristic look while also being classic.
I respectfully disagree. I love the Octo Finissimo! I find it brilliant and I think it's one of the most exciting watches made today with its space-age worthy finishing and alien-like design scheme. This watch is a standout in a sea of Nautiluses and Royal Oaks.
Agree!
I have one of these, the automatic on titanium bracelet, and I love it to bits. No one disputes Bulgari's technical achievement on the collection, but the design is the aspect of the watch that people either absolutely love or absolutely hate. I really like the polarizing responses it generates because it shows the design is ahead of its time, but not so ahead of its time that no one gets it. It gets people talking about it, and that can only be a good thing for a product design. Personally, I think it will be future design classic.
Utterly brilliant comment, thank you Terry! I am also a big proponent for designs that are head-scratching. And what I like so much is that an owner of this watch can talk about it without ripping my head off ;) My feeble opinion on the subject shouldn't affect anyone else's. The more I think about the watch, it feels like it is going to be a classic one day... And I'm sure there were many folks in the seventies who felt disgusted by the Royal Oak and the Nautilus...look who's laughing now?
Gotta try one on
I gotta say I love it and most of its iterations. I respect ID guy very much and his opinions. Definitely not a watch for everyone and shouldn’t be a persons ONLY watch. But as a collector- I would eventually add it to my collection.
It means so much that you can respect my thoughts as well as go on your own way about it. That's the fun about what we do. Everyone's thoughts on the subject should differ! Thank you for the comment, man. I hope you can one day get your hands on the piece.
The Octo Finissimo Chrono is an automatic: The outer ring of the movement is the rotor of the movement.
I would like to disagree, very architectural, very incredible, very Light, a fantastic watch that I own with immense pleasure
Thank you, Mohammed! Your health to enjoy it (and apologies if I offended you with any of the critiques) My opinion shouldn't be above or beyond anyone else's. Thanks for the comment, brother.
Agree!
I had a chance to try on the original Octo and what you said near the end of the video is how I feel: it is brutal. It stands out, it is brash. It looks odd at first because we expect watches to have a certain presense on our wrists, but it really stands out. In that sense I suppose you could view the Octo more as a bracelet with a watch function, perhaps in line with Bulgari's jewelry heritage.
But that's what I like about the watch. It doesn't stand out in a "hey I have an expensive watch on" as a two-tone might, but it has presense. Maybe like the spalla camicia shoulders of Italian suit jackets, it is a bold statement. The numbers on the dial pop out, the odd octagon in the circle pops out, the strap pops out.
I do think that a lot of watch people might not like the watch for the reasons above, but I feel that it will have a somewhat dedicated following.
You described what ground breaking design is
It is definitely a watch that suits a certain person (as most watches do) Maybe that's why Rolex / Omega manages to appeal to so many? It's a watch that's more "Friendly"? But that's the fun of this hobby, having different tastes, different designs makes us all unique. Thank you for the comment, man!
@@ID-Guy Thanks for the reply. I love me some classic designs but something about the Octo really struck something in me since I first saw it.
Anyway Bulgari has some interesting watch designs for women, to the point they seem almost movie-prop like (a clock hidden inside a snake's mouth to be specific). It's interesting to see a non French jewelry company take on watches from French Jewelry companies, namely the house of Cartier and Van Cleef and Arpel (not Piaget as I wrongly mentioned first!).
Great review. I have to say this has become my favorite horology channel. Agree or disagree with the opinion, the ideas and reflections are communicated with clarity and elegance. Well done again, IDGuy.
That watch is everything I find beautiful in a design and in a watch. It is simply beautiful!
You cannot judge this watch off the wrist. It is there that Genta’s genius becomes fully realized. I consider the Octo to be him at his most unrestrained, and compared to the original Octo Bi-Retro sold under the Gerald Genta mark, the Bulgari is far more tame. If anything they took Genta’s brilliant fever dream and made it into something that is easier to digest for more people. It may be years off from being iconic, but it is definitely destined to be so.
What’s your view on the new satin and polished finish released?
I'm a simple man. I get a notification for an IDGuy video; I thumbs up before watching.
That really means a lot, man. Thank you! But you don't have to agree with everything I say ;)
@@ID-Guy Don't worry I won't 😁
IDGuy - for once I have to disagree. I love the look of the Octo, for one thing because it is different. Today we are ovewhelmed with watches that look more or less the same - same as a rolex, same as an Omega same as a Patek. Panerai managed to break the mould and now Bulgari. The watch is stunning - perhaps because it is so different yet fully functional. I'd buy one except for its feeble water resistance. If they solve that, I will own one.
Absolutely agree with you, man! I also enjoy watches that are different (the 1655 being my grail watch) and if I had a choice of any watch in this Retro-inspired family, I'd be going with the VC overseas. Breaking the mould in this field is incredibly difficult to do (as we have seen) and my thoughts on the matter shouldn't change people's perspectives. It means all the more that you contest my points. Thank you for the comments as always, man!
I also see it as being different and that being a good thing. It seems like a more contemporary design than others. Yes, similar to a Lamborghini, but not the 80's Countach, more like a modern, hard edged Huracan. I love the interview with the Bvlgari boss who says, "You don't drive your grandfather's car, you don't wear his clothes, so why would you wear his watch?" This is definitely NOT your grandfather's watch! I could have purchased a VC Overseas or GP Laureato, but I went with the Octo with a recent purchase precisely because it has less of a 1970's vibe to it and more 2020's.
I got the 10mm thick version because it has a screw down crown, decent water resistance, and truly can function as a "sport" luxury watch. The bracelet is a significant portion of the watch at 30mm wide at the lugs! You definitely need some Italian "machismo" to pull this off.
They solved it, new ones are 100m
I want to know your thoughts on the ressence
Dude, I often agree, but not this time. The Octo is brilliant. Period...
Allways nice to hear an other well thought out opinion.
For my part, i realy like the design. It is refreshing to see a modern approach and i donˋt get the 80s-vibe... Could see myself add one to the collection one day as a bit of a wild card.
Thank you for your content, allways a pleasure.
Thank you, Philipp. And I'm so glad you can take it as an opinion (that doesn't mean anything in the broader context of things) Everyone's tastes are different and that's the joy of our hobby! I share the same thought that you have on this watch with the Royal Oak. I'd add it as a wildcard too - one that I'd love on Wednesday and hate on Friday ;)
Great Great review IDGuy. You are always so spot on in describing the pieces. Beyond the name on the dial, I always felt there was something wrong with it, but couldn't quite explain it. Seeing it on Jason's wrist on the Watchbox show was always a turn off (sorry Jason). You have organized my feelings, well done! It almost looks better on the strap, because it reduces all the different things going on. AND no one will ever fault you for more AP air time, that was an extra treat!
A guy can only try ;) I know it's going to offend some people but an opinion is so irrelevant in the scheme of things. I think the aim behind all of these videos is to just offer a perspective. Thank you as always for the comment, brother. It means so much that you can take the time to always be a part of the conversation. And the AP needs a video series all to itself!
Some brilliant insights, thank you
Another fantastic video ID Guy. I really like Bulgari especially the new GMT Chrono. It’s amazing how thin it is. Keep the great videos coming.
Have you considered reviewing H Moser? I just purchased a rose gold Endeavor Small Seconds and would love your take on its design.
Really good videos 👍 would love to hear your thoughts on the new Bell&Ross BR05!
6:39 ... You “have doubts as to whether this could be someone’s only watch.” Should every piece in a collection pass that test? Honest question. I learn so much from watching your videos. Thank you for all you share with the watch community. I really want to know. For example, I have a green Milgauss. If it were my only watch, I probably wouldn’t own it, but it’s amazing as part of a collection. What say you?
Interesting take. I love the blasted gold version, but your points are well taken.
I added to my collection the OF in sandblasted steel with the leather strap that appears in the video.This review does not detract one bit from my amazement at this stunning piece.
I have never liked the design Octo (I appreciate the thinness of its movement), I find it too busy. The fact that it makes the Royal Oak look conservative just reinforces that. Thank you for such a great review :)
I could be wrong, but the photo you labeled as non-automatic is actually an automatic movement. It uses a peripheral rotor which surrounds the innards of the movement itself.
Could you do the Cartier de santos XL with the easy removal bracelet and links? I think you’d do a great dive on it!
You know, I began a writeup on the Santos two weeks ago! I'm dying to discuss the watch (it's historical stance and how it managed to evolve with the current lineup) Stay tuned and thank you for the suggestion!
IDGuy you sir your about to tickle my trigger finger. And the gun is aimed straight at my wallet
For me, this is a beautiful time piece , specialy the chronograph one, automatic mechanical movement hide under that thin case, two pusher for chronograph setting sits so nicely on the both sides of the crown. The dial with a big "12" and three small sub dials kept the face looks concise as it should , the bracelet also made a great fit to make a whole watch looks much more consitent together.
However, the good design is not only for the appearance, only time will tell the reliability for the whole design in the future .😊
Correct it: 0:56 The chronograph is automatic - the rotor is the circular rim with Bvlgari written on it. You can see from the contrast that this circular rim rotor is made of two materials - one of them is 950 platinum
On point! Nice video mate
Thank you, Tim. But don't take my opinion on it all to heart ;)
I’ve tried this on my wrist. Not sure it’s a watch I’d add to my collection if I had the means, but I still admire its engineering.
South African in the house!!! nice review boet! I'm considering buying this at the moment actually! it's a gorgeous piece!!!
Just found this channel and video. I disagree, but your opinion is well-stated and interesting. Thanks
I this in person today with my gf. She normally not interested in watches but this one she found interesting, especially when I showed her the watch from the side. It’s so incredibly thin. I have a JLC ultra thin as well, so she knows how thin watches can get. But this was really cool.
Outstanding video as always- thank you. I want to like this watch, I really do because it's so brave and bold but the broad, non tapering bracelet reminds me of a strongmans wrist bracelet. The many ill matching angles make me suspect a watch design graduate dropped some acid, viewed an AP Royal Oak through a kaleidoscope and drew this on a takeaway wrapper whilst watching an old episode of Miami Vice. Your render was an improvement. However, much kudos to Bulgari for having the backbone to make it and have a go at selling it.
Love your work. Please review Panerai designs.
Excellent review ID! I agree with assesment, but I personally would purchase this over any AP. But i care less about the position and the status of it in horological history and much more about the technological marvel that bulgari has created with this.
Thank you, Markus. And that's the joy of this hobby. Tastes are everything! This watch is a status symbol all to itself (that many people won't realise)
First time I’ve watched your channel. Your content, completely unique - and perhaps unsurprisingly, your presentation reflects the design sensitivities you admire. You walk the walk. You’ve got a new fan. Bravo!
Gun Zap IDGuy is one to watch now and the future. I really recommend watching the back catalogue
What a privilege to have you here, GunZap. I'll have you know that your videos have made me tear up with laughter in the past.Thank you so much for the compliment, it is by far the best I've received today! Thanks a ton for stopping by!
@@Mark..P You're too kind, Mark. Thank you, sir
@@Mark..P finally everyone is watching IDGuy, I have been watching him since day 1, been talking about him & now finally everyone has caught on. Imagine IDGuy & Tim doing a LIVE SHOW together, forget about Brian, Jason and all the other riff raff from WB...now that would be interesting & would probably go viral.
Founder Timless Capital I agree. Tim’s knowledge is outstanding but IDGuy (we need to know your name IDGuy), would add a completely fresh dimension and thought process that has been missing. You should try and make this happen. 👍🏻 Also if you get offered yet another Daytona from a UK AD and you just can’t get there, I will be generous and help you out and take it for you 😂 Who am I kidding. Have a great day/evening
The aesthetic critique is on point and well considered. I happen to like it but the comment that it is hard to believe it could be someone's only watch, is a deeper point that will continue to make me think about this design.
From a purely analytical and pragmatic you are spot on about the design. However I think this is an example of a design where the sum of its parts don’t make sense - it just works. Designs can be successful without being logical or beautiful in a traditional sense. The imperfections are what gives it character and unique appeal and make it controversial. Bravo to watchmakers who are trying new things and not looking so much to the past.
Not for me but thanks for the review. Reminds me of two watches , the Royal Oak and I forgot the other.
Thank you as always, Scott. It's definitely not a piece for me either ;)
Great POV. I feel the look and design here is “almost” great...but not yet great. Personally, I think the excess metal outside the lugs hurts the silhouette of the case. I wish they’d revisit the design in a few years and consider evolving it like VC has done w/ the Overseas. Thanks for the perspective.
I love the looks of the octo finissimo. I'll buy one in the next few years unless my tastes change
IDGuy, you've had videos on pure design of the watches (like the Lange 1) and one with size, as with the Seiko Monster. But what are your thoughts on smaller watches? And also the rectangular watches such as those from Cartier, how does design and design language dictate there?
Yes! As the work continues I want to go into all of those details. I've been wearing a 36mm piece on my 7 inch wrist and find it to be phenomenal. AND I'm going to be doing a writeup on the Reverso and Santos in the future ;) Thanks for the comment, Dude!
I've tried it on at the boutique. Didn't look good on my wrist. The squared case looks interesting when you aren't wearing it but putting it on it felt too much. The solotempo being smaller felt way better on the wrist.
Thank you for the feedback! It is a watch definitely suited for a certain type of person (and not everyone can be satisfied)
I love these Bulgari
Thanks for highlighting it
to me.
Such a pleasure, Michael. And don't let my opinion change your mind on the matter!
On this one I thought you were way off with your analogy and thoughts. I think the styling cues and form make for a stylish watch that would be just at home as a causal wearer as it would at a formal dinner.
Just a little disappointed at no water 💦 resistance.
loved this vid.
Though I would agree it will suit more people if its size is smaller, it can't be because its movement design is exchanging the thickness with the diameter. In most situations I would say the movement shouldn't override the overall design, but this series is made for record-breaking so I can understand.
the some 112 facettes are inspired by the pillars in rome not the chrysler building. i used to have the 38mm SS model and LOVED it. not many are ready for this design but lets not forget it was the italian market that is always ahead of its time in terms of future watch tastes.. and they love it. italy was also the strongest EU market for the RO in the 70's. just food for thought ;)
Looking at the design of the Octo Finissimo, the head of the watch seems to have far too much going on. There seem to be too many conflicting lines what with an octagon inside a circle inside an octagon inside another disproportioned octagon inside another disproportioned octagon! There are shaped edges all over the place.
The watch has the look of a wrist worn computer or intercom unit from a sci-fi film. Very futuristic looking indeed and yes, I can definitely notice the 80’s influence that you are referring to.
I think that your idea of removing the inner octagon on the dial would definitely be an improvement in legibility.
I couldn’t see this as being anyone’s ‘one watch’ option, especially taking into consideration the other watches that are available for the same price (£11,900) but, it is definitely a unique piece to add to a larger collection.
I have never seen one of these watches up close so maybe I should reserve judgment before I say that this watch is not for me. It certainly looks less complicated with the leather strap as a contrast. Maybe we are discussing another future classic? ✊
It is definitely 80's Italian design. But I disagree with your point about the size and bracelet - due to its incredibly light weight and thinness it feels much smaller on the wrist. Try one on - you'll be surprised.
The Octo is not just "Genta -Inspired," it was actually designed by him. The Finissimo is a derivation of the original case design, however apart from being much thinner, it is very true to the original. It's design is a marvel of complexity, and one should not mess with the masterpiece of a genius. Genta's original watch had a regulator style movement, and the line up included a very wide range of unique dials that made the watches like unique pieces. Bulgari kept them that way for a while, but has since substituted simpler, more conventional dials, thus moving them downmarket and cleaning up their appearance for wider appeal.
This is a GENTA design from the 80s. To IDGuy’s credit, he was right about the design cues from the 80s. Also, the Royal Oak and Nautilus were very rushed designs, while the Octo is arguably a more thoughtful and evolved representation of Genta’s design evolution. I appreciate a lot of what Bulgari has done, and hasn’t done, to Genta’s work.
...another well-considered piece, IDguy. i am one who loves the BOF, i've called it a masterpiece of aesthetics and mechanics. on same continuum as RO, more a 21st century work-watch for common man. everything an everyday, non-fussy watch should be ! only coincidentally doubles as elegant dress-watch. agree with take on chunkified bracelet, now prefer balance of leather strap.
Another great vid. Royal Oak wins this matchup all day long and twice on Sunday. Not that I hate The Octo, just prefer the raw simplistic look of the Royal Oak and maybe what's the best bracelet in the business.
I agree, man. Many disagree with my thoughts on the subject, but hey, we're only human ;) Thanks for the comment as always!
I agree the bezel design seems a bit confused, or confusing. I've never been quite sure what it was trying to say, design-wise. I love my Bulgari Diagono Scuba, though. I think the design is much more cohesive and understandable. It's also an incredibly wearable and comfortable diver, though obviously not in the same technical league as the Octo Finissimo.
Not expecting a reply to this sir but could you do a review of the Octo Roma - for me it takes all the great elements of design from this and softens them down to create something prefect
Great Video! I’m very into Your sight into watches! I was thinking, You revieved some homages, but what do You think about some affordable alternatives to most known models? AP, VC or Bulgari are out of budget for most of us, and not everyone like homages. Have You thought about making a video about Maurice Lacroix Aikon or similar pieces?
Absolutely. I plan on discussing them at length in the future. There is no bias here (which is what I've always tried to bring across) I'm wearing a Smiths Everest and find it to be one of the coolest homages to the 1016 out there...so definitely, all of these watches will be covered in the future. Thank you for the comment, Grzesiek!
Heck, I love the design of that Bulgari! NICE!!!!
The octo you edited seemed much more clean I did really like bvlgari to use that design too omg lmao tho I love octo finissimo. I love it because of the thought being put into miniaturing mechanical watches. Something that everybody was chasing in the past but not right now. I would want to own one just because of this. The strive to improve rather than just fancy finishing and stuff. If I type anymore I did nerd about it even more intensely so...
Good argument. I agree, for one! Genta homage by numbers. Nice finish, clever movement. Square lug stepping is a mess. Bezel is a clashing horror. I suppose you can buy one, if you like that sort of thing.
I think the "needlessly complex" case shape would be, and is, just that on the previous less flat Octo. I don't like that version. But on the ultra-thin Octo Finissimo, I think the complex case shapes and stepped levels serve to emphasize the thinness and create the illusion of depth where there very overtly isn't any. Without that, I think the whole design would fall flat (pardon the pun!)
Its like a progressive Jazz, for a Bee Gees fan. Had no chance.... I love this watch..
It is difficult to justify a piece like Octo that doesn't serve as a tool watch. However, design, engineering and craftsmanship should be acknowledged wherever it is applicable and it deserves to be acknowledged here.
1) Loose the oversized 12 and 6. Replace with double line and line.
2) The brand on the dial make discrete.
3) Decrease size of watch.
4) Hands longer.
A have entered the boutiques a few times. I find it original and impressive, really impressive technically and original in design. I have to compliment the company for this accomplishment. What I would need to be able to own one...the comments above. In summary to make it more of a watch in utility and less of a corporate Bulgari vanity fashion piece. In these design and development teams there should be an outside person called a customer. Hopefully the team will take the next step and make a version more of us can buy. At least I could. The only reason I am writing this is because I support them and feel they have done an incredible impressive ground breaking job. I would like to have a watch I could wear, it is so close...
I have seen a number of reviews of this watch, all positive, so I tried one on. I have not ben able to work out why it did not win me over like many watches do. I thought it was just because I thought it would date. Thanks for your analysis. I think it has added clarity to my own thoughts on this amazing watch.
Thank you, Jonathan. Perspective is all I've ever wanted to add (and the continual positive reviews on watches are so misleading) thanks for the comment, man!
What about it’s connection to Panerai? Panerai set the Italian look since the 90’s. It always felt like a Panerai- Genta watch. It’s as if a car ran over a Panerai watch.
Spot on. Thank you. Agree 100%. For me it represents Cold War brutalism. An Italian watch for the Eastern Block. I have friends from former Cold War Soviet states that love two watch brands disproportionately: Bulgari and Rado. Rado being the less expensive option. Bulgari is their grail. On a final note, Bulgari got a bump/free advertising in the similar 90’s Cold War movie “The Saint” with Val Kilmer.
Cold war brutalism. Very interesting! And it is fascinating how watches appeal to certain countries. I have noticed that a lot (and it's well worth a video) Thank you for your insights on the subject, Ronin (I need to look up the Val watch in more detail too!)
I tried on a few months ago and loved it
That's great, man. And my words about it shouldn't sway your opinion! I'm definitely not here to convert people. Thanks for the comment, Alberto!
@@ID-Guy i first knew the watch from a Watchfinder video and when i heard "Bvlgari" i thought it was like the Gucci watches, then i watched the video and tried on at an AD and man, i'd rather buy that than a used Rolex.
Love your videos keep it on, i first saw them when i wanted to buy a Parnis Batman
Bulgari thats one brill watch... i just love that bracelet
Some have mentioned that the watch has that "bracelet" feel (similar to the Royal Oak) And i'm so glad that my opinion on the matter doesn't change your mind on it. Thank you as always, Craig!
it appears the octo is headed towards iconic status
both pieces @ 00:53 thru to 00:58 you tagged ‘not automatic’ are in fact automatic calibers buddy
Whoops. I assumed that the chronograph @ 00:58 was a hand wound because I couldn't see the rotor. I'd like more clarity on that. Thanks for pointing it out to me, man!
IDGuy it’s a peripheral rotor; the bit branded bulgari
@@ID-Guy the rotor is visible easily- it is a peripheric ring around the movement, which btw is only 3.30mm thick. The construction of the caliber is a masterpiece, as well as the design.
It's a watch that I admire from technical and design aspects but it is not a watch that I would wear. yes it is different and bold but I find it to be very difficult to wear it and pull it off. especially with its size. the royal oak although still bold but easier to wear with most outfits
love your thought but have to disagree with you about it being a fashion watch. which it was in other models they had,a fashion watch doesnt break records.
Haha! I might have needed to explain "fashion watch" a bit further. But then, generally all watches are worn as fashion accessories nowadays anyway ;) Thank you for the comment, man
@@ID-Guy Man jewelry
Agree: brilliant movement but there was always something I couldn’t put my finger on that stopped me spending my own money on it. Thank you for articulating what I couldn’t
Thank you Marcus. And my opinion on the subject shouldn't change your perspective on the watch! Thanks for the comment as always, brother
IDGuy - well it more re-enforced my thoughts than anything and helped me crystallize my hesitation about adding it to my personal collection while at the same time respecting and acknowledging the level of quality and innovation in this piece.
really interesting review. You had me thinking about why i don't like the Octo Finissimo as much as other ppl. And the reason is that the O.F. is amazing if looked at a whole, but once you start focusing on details it loses all its grace. the Royal Oak is the opposite, it express complexity if looked as a whole but when you focus on details it is so damn simple and "classic" that it will stand the proof of time. I don't think anyone will remember the O.F. (as it is right now) in 30 years.
Great video once again. I think M Tbone summed it up best today 👍
Thank you as always, Mark. It's so great that we can all share our perspectives on this platform.
Very honest if you listen to these words.
Thank you, Selten. I always try my utmost (but everyone interprets the words differently)
Im not a genta fan , but i do like the OF , but i do not like the finish . The Finnish is so plain , that the details seem to disappear because they seem to camouflage each other . I wish they added some polished areas (bezel case , and bracelet ) so you can see the depth of the design (being that thin makes it worse). I like the Octo, or the Octo Roma more (design wise ) it may be thicker , but the overall design can be seen more
Thank you Marc. It's crazy how our tastes are so different! The watch (in my opinion) could use a few tweaks...but hey! That's the crazy world of design! Thank you for the comment as always
Spot on analysis. The Octo on the metal strap reminds me of pictures I’ve seen of Trilobite fossils. It’s def not a looker on the wrist.
Wow. That is an amazing description... but don't let my opinion sway you either! Some watches just aren't for some people ;)
I just tried one on last weekend and couldn’t place it why I thought it looked odd. But you just nailed it. Trilobite!
Dontnknownwhy but I just love the design.
I am a little embarrassed to admit it, but... The Octo range, is the only Bulgari watch that I've considered adding to my collection.
And then I came back to my senses 😁
The pictures of it in a magazine look great, so I went to see it in the flesh, so to speak, and I was disappointed! The dial is to big, and it really does look like pressed straight of a piece of steel...it was in some ways to industrial close up. It is a very interesting piece which some will no doubt love...but not for me!
Thank you, Vaughan. We all have our own tastes. Some will say that your VC is hideous, others say the RO and the Nautilus are hideous. The secret to life is knowing that you're not going to please everyone ;)
@@ID-Guy definitely true it's all in the eye of the beholder and personal choice, thank God we are different otherwise the sheer choice we have would be very narrow indeed. Keep up the great work, you seem to be hitting your groove!
Interesting. Thx for sharing.
My take on it is that it is too busy. The face is fine. The bracelet is fine. But the case and bezel just can't make up their mind what shape they want to be. Most elements scream octagonal, but then you've got that circular element forced in there, sat on top of everything and seemingly interfering with the flow. The circular bezel is so dominant that the octagon inside of it feels like it's cutting off the dial instead of framing it. On top of that, the octagonal elements outside the circle are way too busy.
As a result, the whole thing ends up a discordant mess. It could be fixed if it were simplified. Reduce the apparent layers. Simplify the shapes and lines round the outer edge of the case. Either remove the octagon from inside the circular bezel and make it a round dial, or remove the inner circular edge of the bezel and make the inner edge octagonal. Or remove the circular element altogether.
Can we just appreciate how wholesome these comment sections always are?
I love them, man. Differing opinions on the subject means so much (and my feeble perspective is just a perspective on the subject) ;)
I almost bought this but what I didn’t like is the huge 12 and 6 numbers on the dial that made it a bit tacky and ruined the aesthetics. But apart from that, everything else is superior
From what I know it is not inspired by the Genta design, it is actually made by Genta.
From what I've read, Genta designed one of the first generations, but not the Octo Finissimo. Some of the pieces even pay homage to him with his name on the dials? I do need to research this watch an its history more for the future. Thank you for the comment as always, man
@@ID-Guy I really like your videos. But that AP, like you said, somedays looks dated to me and out of style and after a few days I look again at that dial and at that bracelet and how it ties in with the case....wow. It intimidates me, if I would have the money I would buy first an Overseas, just to get used to the idea and then buy a RO.
This is a subject of some dispute. Since I own an Octo I did some web research and found that Genta did design an octagonal watch with several tiers that may have inspired the Bvlgari Octo. The first Octo watches released were under the Gerald Genta name, but that appears to be after Bvlgari purchased the brand and after Genta had stepped away from control. If Genta did design the Octo or inspire the design it was in the 1990's, which is a huge black hole of missing information on the Internet.
IDGuy, I think we are getting in very treacherous territory here. The overseas is clearly not a Genta design, and his disagreement is the subject of a famous anecdote. But what about chronometer versions of the Nautilus or the Royal Oak? What about later versions of the IWC Ingeneur, which some credible commentators still call “Genta designed” or “Genta inspired”? Arguably, the finisimo is more Genta than what currently passes for Genta designs.
The chrono is auto (peripheral rotor)
It's not 'Genta inspired' the octo case was literally designed by Genta.
Hi, first thing. Was pointed at your channel a few weeks ago and been loving it (so much so you just featured in a video of mine). By and large Id agree with your obversations in this video but I'm less confident in the conclusions. I totally agree there are some things that could be done to clean up the Octo and make it appeal to a wider audience - Im less sure that would 'improve' the watch though. I think watches live on the edge of art and consumer good and I kind of like it when a watch decides to chase a designers vision rather than a focus group.
I sense Greek architectural motifs, clarity and complexity, in the Bvlgari. I prefer it.
I like everything except the of set seconds. If it just had a regular seconds hand I’d like it a lot. As for the Royal Oak, I remain uncomprehending over why people like them.
It is sad to see mainstream brands like Rolex an PP being out done by a ‘fashion’ brand like BVLGARI, when was the last time either of those created something as innovating as the Finissimo?
Also it’s not just Genta ”inspired” but is actually designed by the man himself.
Nope. Genta designed the original Bulgari octo case. But the finissimo is an iteration of that but not actually designed by the great watch designer
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So it is a glorified fashion statement, and not for everybody's taste, I wonder if that was the feeling of most of people in the 70's towards the Royal Oak, Nautilus and so on.. At least Bulgari is not making vintage style watches like everybody else
I'm sure people felt exactly the same way about the RO and the Nautilus in the 70's as well. Trends and tastes change ;) I must commend them, like VC, for going down this route of creating inspired watches from that time period
Obviously looks are all subjective but I disagree with most of these points other than that it could benefit from being slightly smaller to suit a wider audience. I believe pigeonholing either of the watches into a decade is unique to a small segment of watch collectors where I believe to most and especially to either of their audiences, like most integrated band watches, they are sleek and timeless. Either could make an appearance in a futuristic movie like blade runner and nobody would bat an eye.
You can't really call it Genta 'inspired', he designed the original Octo himself and Bulgari bought his company and the design. I would call it a Genta design period.
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I'm gonna hop on the disagree bandwagon here. I really like the design of the Octo Finissimo. Is it top tier watch design? No but it's pretty damn good. Watches for some reason is a very design conservative space where classic och traditional designs get all the praise. However watchmaking also has some really out there designs. I'm thinking: Urwerk, Ressence, Jacob & Co, Voutilainen and of course Richard Mille. Compared to those the Octo is very traditional. It's all about context and taste. The Octo Finissimo is a way more maximalist watch than the AP Royal Oak and that's fine. The case and bracelet are busy, with angles, lines and shadows at every corner. A lot of people like that. A lot of people don't. I like it. It's even better with the skeletonized dial!