the thing is, unless you're ASTRONOMICALLY lucky, getting the lowest IQ score possible would indicate the inverse about your IQ. To know the wrong answer you'd first have to know the right answer.
@@caik1 Yeah there is a point where even when going into an IQ-Test completly drunk and guessing every question you would still be better than the stupidest of the people. Kinda astonishing if you think about it.
@@Grandmaster-Kush that 140 score has a clearly different standard deviation than the colloquial one. Checking on a normal distribution calculator (or just googling, if you're not a dumbass unlike me) shows you that the SD on that one is 24. Which means it's equivalent to about 126.25 on the standard IQ scale everybody's talking about online.
I once did an IQ test, which seemed quite serious compared to the other ones you can find online. After spending a lot of time, I finally finished answering all the questions. It was when the website asked me to pay €5 in order to view the results of the last, I guess 45 minutes, that I realized, I was pretty dumb.
Dumb would be paying the money. People like to do online tests, you're not dumb for doing that. By hiding your result you have an investment that you can't access. You pay the $5, they say actually it's $10, you pay another $5, you need to pay postage, the investment grows, you need a log in that's another $20 "Well I've already spent $10+P&P" you're now not paying to find out your IQ but paying because you want that previous money to be at least counted towards something. Some other charge appears next. That's probably not the scenario of the test you did online, but it is possible it would lock your bank ransom it and ultimately be a scam. What I listed is how some scams easily get increasing amounts of money off people. You're not dumb for doing a test online.
I once found an askreddit thread asking why reddit seemed to have such a politically left-leaning bias. Every single answer was a leftist trying to explain that the site is actually completely neutral lmao.
The design of reddit is the perfect site for echo chambers. Upvotes and downvotes are great for moderating content, but also elevating a particular opinion. People who disagree will be targeted, and then they won't bother sharing their views again. Subreddits are perfect places for echo chambers, and the views they hold can shift overtime, making long time users of a subreddit uncomfortable and leaving, accelerating the process. There are certian topics that result in more divisive, so they become more have an echo chamber. The only way to avoid becoming an echo chamber is to be a subreddit that has a subject that you can't have an opinion on, like pictures of birds with arms, and also be small enough to avoid large off topic discussions. Any subreddit that claims to not be an echo chamber is an echo chamber. As for IQ scores, I feel that they are flawed. There are numerous reasons for this, but I think one problem is that often people treat it as a singular score that is the end all and be all. I don't think IQ scores are without merit, but I feel they are insufficient measures of intelligence.
wallstreetbets is a perfect example of a subreddit that turned into an echo chamber. Shit got unrecognizable in just a few weeks. Some good subreddits just turn into some low effort meme gallery.
Its the closest we have to a viable intelligence scoring system, a concept flawed almost inherently. What attributes do we use as markers to qualify a persons cognition? How do you make a test that accurately reflects that? If I remember correctly a man in Germany took so many iq tests that he progressively became better at them, scoring higher and higher. People's scores also vary depending on what they eat, how much they sleep, and other external factors.
I've only taken an IQ test which consisted of geometric shapes, I scored 140 something. All it has ever done for me is allowing myself to be exceptionally lazy, as I've managed to get through school and university with very little effort. I've later had to work on being more productive as it had started to hurt my daily life, it has been very difficult to correct. The worst part is that 7 year old me was very productive in school, I would finish entire exercise books for fun, and read books regularly, but I was never rewarded at school, so soon I found something else to focus on.
still absolutely love this series, great to watch while eating or just to relax to. also, i feel like you’re very neutral and objective about most issues, which i really enjoy. i swear, most people just choose one side on an issue and never ever want to challenge it, or admit they might be wrong. you always strike me as actually forming opinions for yourself, and that’s really refreshing!!
For anyone wondering why a higher IQ score is somehow not as good, it's because the tests use different values for the standard deviation. The average for both is 100, but the s.d. for the Cattell B test is 24 points, where the s.d. for the Culture Fair test is 16 points. Mensa require a score 2 standard deviations above the mean for entry (approx top 2%, or 1 in 50 people), so the scores required would be 148 and 132 respectively on these tests. I believe most IQ tests use 15 or 16 points for their standard deviation, so 24 points is unusually high.
Oh but how is the mean and s.d. determined? If it is empirical, based on all test results it is biased, since only a specific group of people decides to take on a test. Also - does it get updated? I’m just a random lazy guy on yt, but I’ll google it if I have to :P
Will the "nobody, not a single soul: / X isn't real, it can't hurt you" shit finally end? I swear to god, it has been around for the whole duration of pandemic, and I can't stand it anymore. It's not funny, it's not clever, it's the internet aquivalent to the Wilhelm scream, people use it, and the masses laugh/like it out of pure pavlovian conditioning, because it's a thing they remember and which got a chuckle out of them the first time, when it was novel. This is a Public Service Announcement, please, for the love of anything you find holy or unholy...... stop. _inb4 /r/woooosh_
People in mensa aren't full of ego in fact it could lower their ego if they join mensa because they realize they aren't the smartest around. And just like the other guy said, usually when you take the test it's pretty quiet I was the only one conversing with other people lol
A friend of mine got in to Mensa, according to him it was basically a swingers club for people with a high IQ. He quickly stopped responding to invites to 'gatherings'.
@@antonhelsgaun Eat cheese off a cocktail stick and use long words at each other. Come back home feeling like you impressed people, unaware the fact that none of them impressed you is a reciprocated opinion.
@61 Cygni I'm pretty sure only a small minority of high-IQ eugenicist-adjacent narcissists join Mensa lol. Anyone with any self-respect would see it's just a circle jerk club.
i gave up on putting a block inside a triangle hole because it just WONT fit in but trust me, one day it will and i will be the smartest man alive, even mensa will be jealous of my elementary shape insertion skills
I was the kid who would make any block fit in any shape hole. I didn't care if it wasn't the right shape or how I did it, I just did. Hell I ain't the brightest, but I am determined.
I thought IQ tests were meant to be really hard and long affairs, but from the sound of it, they sound like the first page of a maths test you’d do in Primary school where you’d have to do 10 questions that the teacher reads out and have 5 minutes to do.
Longer IQ tests are more accurate and they all measure different things. You can be really intelligent in linguistics but not in spacial awareness. It really doesn't tell you anything about motivation, iq tests where originally made to find who needed special ed. Intelligence =/= smart nor driven to be. So unless you need it, I'd say its better not to know. I've done multiple and am dissapointed that I'm simply not driven enough to do anything with what I have.
@61 Cygni I have a way of measuring intelligence -you like metalocalypse : Einstein level iq -You hate metalocalypse : You're a dummy dum dum -You never heard of metalocalypse : You are a liar and a fool
Speaking from experience (and by experience, I mean talking to my mum who's a psychologist), IQ tests in the sphere I work in are mostly used on children, and not specifically for the number. We use the WISC-V (If you google it, you'll know what it stands for) and they pay close attention to certain things. I can't remember every aspect, but I believe there are four categories, and how well you do in each can *help* determine certain aspects about you. For instance, I'm great at maths and puzzle solving, but terrible at literature. This isn't a be-all end-all definitive statement for anything, but it definitely falls in line with my diagnosis for ADHD, apparently. I've been told that, beyond the age of 6, IQ is literally meaningless and functionally serves no purpose what so ever. The people who do these tests on children are also paying attention to HOW the children are taking the tests, and it's a very observant-based, one-on-one testing, not a "room full of thirty students". I'm not saying what Philip did "wasn't a real IQ test" or anything, it absolutely was and I've no right to rob him of that truth. I'm just hoping my insight is at least a little interesting. Other tid-bits include: IQ is averaged for a country, so an IQ of 100 is ALWAYS the perfect, exact average of the IQ in that country. An IQ of 100 in Australia is higher than an IQ of 100 in the United States, for instance, which is why comparing IQs cross-country can be a little inaccurate. Lastly, IQ doesn't relate to intelligence almost at all. It's used to test specific skills and I can tell you from experience, high IQ certainly doesn't include good social skills, and occasionally people with high IQs have poor problem solving skills. Keeping in mind that, according to the WISC-V at least, there's four categories and the final score is the average of those four.
this series having music, and moving images helps me keep focus on it a lot more. I find the other 5 minutes with phil videos a lot, but it's hard to keep focus even on the interesting ones. The music is a very welcome addition!
Intelligence, wisdom and understanding of the truth are 3 very different things. When it comes to IQ i feel like it's best for me to not know. I feel like i'd just be disappointed with the result. I can function and peruse what i want with the tools that i have and as i long as i know that i think i'm happy to just think i'm above average like the rest of the human population.
No they are not. The only difference is that wisdom and understanding of truth get better with age whereas IQ does not after you're an adult. Don't fool yourself. The fact that you are afraid/anxious to get an IQ test only means that you're probably just an average human. Which is more than ok. You don't need rationalizations.
Your videos have always given me the impression that you know really well how to express yourself, bring ideas across and insert some smart jokes here and there. I think your test result just shows how right my perception was. There is more behind the IQ score than just a number. Congratulations!
Not exactly shocking Philip's a bright fellow. Very eloquent and has a charmingly idiosyncratic way of expressing himself in these wonderful little videos.
Really glad I clicked on this, pretty much dispelled any reason for not watching it right away and it did change a little bit the way I think about things, it's a shame to see that we won't be getting any 200IQ triple counter rotate clips of you playing counterstrike though. Really inter sting to hear IQ talked about in a setting where it was intended rather than the more horoscope way that it is online where people will brag about their 160IQ score on some 3 minute test online that was cut short to retain people and get ad revenue on page refreshes between each question. If you're looking to do a going low IQ score those would probably be far more interesting to see how low you could go in the same style as your case unboxing millionaire and going low in csgo series, don't know about if they charge for the MENSA tests but could be cheaper than that if they do. As always keep up your outstanding work it's a high point in my day whenever you upload anything!
Just to clarify, this definitely is *not* the environment that IQ tests were developed for. They were made as a way to locate and support underperforming students in schools, but they were never designed to be an actual measure of intelligence.
The real question is if you ever joined mensa. Thats a really impressive score though so well done! But yeah IQ tests are crazily misunderstood by most people but i guess that is too be expected as the topic of intelligence is just as misunderstood if not more so. I wish people understood that IQ tests are measuring how good you are at IQ tests not how intelligent you are. Yes there is correlation between IQ test scores and general scores of intelligence but we have no idea what that relationship is actually like. I liked your comment about how bragging about how smart you are is stupid and you should instead brag about the things that intelligence has allowed you to achieve.
Eric Andre going to Mensa is the only thing worth learning about Mensa. Full of people who are so self conscious they need to pay a company to make them feel good.
Philip, you're opening comments are unbelievably accurate. As a Libertarian, my views are considered evil by pretty much all redditors. Pointing out the flaws of our previous president is essentially upvote farming, while criticizing our current president, no matter how well supported your argument is, is guaranteed to receive hateful comments from everyone. There is no real capability for critical thinking on that website and it's very frustrating to see.
i tried to use reddit once and one of my comments got enough downvotes that i was banned from posting by default on most subreddits lmao took like a day
Going low, substandard IQ edition, I would love to watch this. Also by my high IQ and incredible calculations I'd say that these 5 minutes have been great. Love them, I'll keep coming back every single time.
Hey, Philips not very good at articulating my thougths, but just wanted to say I am very happy that you make these kinds of videos and talk about people being bit too unreasonable about some stuff it makes me feel validated in a way because sometimes I think its me who's thinking too much and the people are right about what they are saying and its me who is being unreasonable. So thanks :).
Jamie Loftus did a podcast mini series called “my year in Mensa” where she recounts how she accidentally got accepted after taking the test for an article she was writing and explores the stupidity of the whole Mensa organisation, it’s really good
@@offan- no problem, and if you want to lose your faith in humanity, listen to her “Lolita” podcast. A fascinating and horrifying deep dive into child exploitation in media
@@deansartorel5570 Good one I'lll have to check those out. You might enjoy Camp Hell: Anneewakee, it's about a camp for kids that for some reason don't function in regular society but it's incrediby fucked up what they got away with for decades.
Good for you, Philip. I tried an IQ test twice, not a MENSA certified one, but a school one and I wasn't smart enough to get special treatment, however I was still above average even if only slightly, so good enough.
Personally I did a pretty different test, when I was 11. WISC IV, It was a lot more about 3D space, word association, comprehension, memory... And additionally there was a whole psychologic analysis of me by actual professionals to go with it, and honnestly having unearthed that document after having forgotten about it for years (22 now) it was very enlightening. If you actually are wondering what's going on inside your head i'd suggest doing that instead of a multiple choice test, that just gives you a number at the end, seems like it's more important than being part of some club...
Knowing me, I probably won’t be able to get into Mensa just because I know I’m slow/average, but I felt a little better when I realized that they don’t really do anything for the advancement of science or society. From what people are saying, they just try “outsmart” each other in the discussions they hold from time to time, so it would be more of a waste of time to join them in the first place.
I really enjoyed this video. I’ve taken numerous IQ tests and I revealed it once when I was a young adult and everyone began to view me differently in school. I hated being viewed as the “smart guy” and everyone’s walking answer machine- especially when I always felt that people with real skills and abilities always seem way more knowledgeable and complete as individuals, something I look up to. I never have mentioned my IQ since because I truly feel you can’t put a number on something as complex as the human mind and it’s intelligence. And to comment on the hive mind. I try to lay off of reddit and such nowadays because it’s not fun anymore, people always have a point to prove and an objective. I miss when it was more carefree.
On the defensive urge to criticise Mensa, it's often joked that anyone who pays for a subscription to validate their intelligence isn't so smart. I understand the historical significance of joining a high-intelligence society, but in the age of the internet there's a forum for every group of like-minded smart folks that's almost certainly better than the Mensa equivalent (if it even exists). I'm not trying to be inflammatory, I legitimately want to know why someone would want to join.
As someone who did join, here are a few reasons why I did it and why I'm still in it. Keep in mind that Mensa is not really one global organization, every country has its own Mensa, so experience may differ. First of all, only a minority of people in Mensa are there to "validate their intelligence" and boost their ego (they do exist though). Most just want to meet / talk to similar people. We have some forums, mailing lists (I know, old-fashioned) and due to the pandemic now quite an active Discord server and I wouldn't be so sure that there are better alternatives to them out there. Having to actually prove you're smart does filter out a lot of people. There are still some non-sensical discussions (people in Mensa tend to like discussions), it's just that both sides can usually argue well. Which can lead to some quite hilarious discussions. The majority is quite chill though. Personally however, I prefer actually meeting other people. Depending on where you live, there are a lot of activities organized - just going to the pub, playing games, climbing mountains, whatever. Additionally there are some events spanning several days like the Mensa Youth camps and the annual meeting. You can get quite a lot out of it, most importantly some very good friends. It's just nice to talk to people who think at the same speed you do and who are just as bad at remembering names. And lastly, although you do of course have to pay to be in it - it really isn't much. It was designed such that anyone with sufficient IQ can be a member, no matter how much money you have. But again, that's where I live, other countries might be different.
@@iTheVisitor I can appreciate the opportunities you listed and making friends, connections etc. My other critique of Mensa is to do with that fact subject specific knowledge doesn't necessarily indicate high IQ and vice versa. Expertise trumps IQ in every facet of life other than perhaps logic puzzles. Things such as the Royal Societies in Commonwealth nations seem better at what they do. In the more generalised goal to bring people with the highest academic potential I can't argue Mensa does a good job.
@@iTheVisitor admittedly I have no idea how good the Royal societies actually are. I should have specified the IDEA seems like a more fruitful pursuit than Mensa.
FYI this works differently in different countries. Not saying the people bragging about their IQ on Reddit aren't lying, but the fact that they only have 1 score is not an immediate giveaway. In my country the Mensa IQ test only gave a single score (And I was too dumb to get in)
The reason you have gotten 142 on the Cattell B and it mentions you are in the top 4% is because the Cattell B test uses a different standard deviation. On the Culture Fair scale the standard deviation is 15, making the iq of 133 at the top 2%. Your 142 score on the Cattell B translates to 127-128 iq. I hope that clears up some stuff for you
i watched over 1000 of his videos and from this expirience i would say, yes hes 120-30 as you said. i dont think its 140. these people use different language and are often interested in these super conplec topics i cant even attempt to understand. i really like his videos and i think hes very smart, but not 140. :)
The upvote button is not even for if you agree or disagree with someone. It's supposed to be for if the person contributes to the discussion. IE, a person who adds a polite, rational counterargument that you disagree with should not be downvoted. Yet that is not how it's used.
Just a clarification about MENSA, at least in my country, you have to pay to have a status of officially being in the MENSA, but it's not a lot and it's basically just so it can operate on all levels. From the meetings with other members, testing around the country, and other things. Honestly, I see MENSA more as a platform to find other like-minded people or with similar interests. Also, you get the chance to go on trips all around the world you wouldn't plan for yourself otherwise.
i hope you see this phil this video is the best one so far i think youre either getting better or this was just funny i like the part where you roast reddit
"People on that site clearly deem themselves as superior to those on other sites, yet are just as suceptible to the hivemind mob mentality" My experience which 4chan hating on reddit.
Also worth noting there are several different IQ systems. I've personally done tye one called WAIS. That one you test verbal problemsolving and math. Perceptive tests with puzzles, pattern to complete. Speed and work memory tests where you fill in a lot of information with specfik parameters, going as far as you can with a time limit. With this system, 100 IQ is average, a perfect score is about 140 but the test dramatically loses accuracy after 135. As the differenciating people at that level would require a way more expansive test. Mensa only look at the first two on a scale called GAI.
My biggest problem with IQ is that there are so many other types of intelligence. Creative thinking, communicaion abilities, body control, empathy, structural thinking, spatial awarness, etc. Every way our brain think and does stuff, we can be good at it at different levels. A dancer with an IQ of 90 but who can control their every muscle in ultra specific ways to dance to music is an intelligent person. Just in a different way to someone like me. I have an GAI score of 136 (99,5% of population) but have the body coordination of a drunk bambi on ice.
You caught my attention right at the beginning. Not by the beautiful Photoshop, but because you politely said that people who think they know it "all", is probably not the most intelligent. In fact. High IQ = the more you get to know, the more you understand that there is more that you don't know. Before i watch the rest, i can tell you are pretty intelligent. From the way you analyze every angle of a situation before concluding. And the way You don't say "this" or "that", rather "what's in between? Why does people have different perspectives?".
I did the mensa test in hungary about 2 years back, but I didn't get two results, I only got one, and we didn't have a test with any sort of language in it. Maybe it's only for english speaking countries, idk... As always, amazing video, philip, loving the new series.
I remember doing the online test on the mensa website, it was only about logic and you had 25 minutes to do it. Its like a practice run and it tells you if you have any chance of being a member if you decide to try the real one.
I'm taking a BA in second language teaching, and I vaguely remember something about the idea of testing someone "smartness" with a test. I'm probably an awful student because I don't remember it to a T but it was someone about the difficulty of trying to test someone's intelligence as the idea mostly relies for the user to be familiar with certain topics and scenarios that not everyone may be aware or even know about. Sure, most of the tests try to mitigate these but it's not 100% perfect and as you mention, people under a certain pressure will answer something randomly just to get it over with and move on, which you mentioned doing (which again, completely normal). I don't know if I should conclude this with, probably with something along the lines of "it doesn't really matter how smart you think you are, but what exactly you do with it". Also, I found interesting that, of course, age is calculated differently, because recently here in Mexico there has been a similar news making the rounds of a little girl being smarter than Einstein. I remember someone mentioned in one of these articles: "why these news always happen every so often and after a while these kids suddenly disappear?" I wasn't exactly aware, while in hindsight obvious, that people get scored different with age. So I guess every news paper runs with the article, either with no idea how it works (I sure didn't) or knows and willingly goes ahead with it.
i remember doing an iq test a while back. it was similar to how you described it, but it was a more 1 on 1 experience, and i think this was due to it being more of a psychological evaluation than strictly an iq test. They gave me two scores, IQ and Global Ability Index, but there was only one iq. I am in mensa, but I used this IQ and report rather than the actual mensa test, so maybe that explains the difference. anyway, i find it hilarious that people now find iq offensive...
While I haven't seen the mensa iq tests, I really doubt you can't get a higher iq the second time around, especially with things like shapes. I've seen youtube videos that try and teach you the logic in them and after watching some i know for a fact that I'd be able to notice the pattern in places where I was unable beforehand, also iq might work the same way reaction times do, where your reaction time is supposedly genetic, but you can still train it and get better at it, because you train your attention.
Whilst waiting around for a delayed flight not too long ago, I strolled into a book shop, on the 'clearance table', 5-6 Different MENSA puzzle books at $2 each. I bought 2, worked through the first bit of both on the flight, the puzzles become ridiculously difficult the further you progress.
Can't wait for the "Going low in IQ" series.
the thing is, unless you're ASTRONOMICALLY lucky, getting the lowest IQ score possible would indicate the inverse about your IQ. To know the wrong answer you'd first have to know the right answer.
Today, we're huffing glue and taking a gram of MDMA
@@caik1 Yeah there is a point where even when going into an IQ-Test completly drunk and guessing every question you would still be better than the stupidest of the people.
Kinda astonishing if you think about it.
@@caik1 or be unlucky
He just needs to use Reddit more
IQ? Usless. The key factor in intelligence is CSGO k/d ratio, of course.
don't forget AD/R, Map and game knowledge and most importantly, AK-47 and m4a4 spray patterns!
I'm diamond 2 in Valorant. Checkmate.
Damn, then i‘m probably borderline retarded
Gotta love it when a person loses an argument, and instead of making a good argument they say: 1v1 me i'm better thatn you.
"This group is for smart people"
"Ooh like me!"
"No, it's for really smart people"
Rosted and toased by none other than his own mum
She was wrong, now he has a place in MENSA.
Reality: 140 IQ which means Philip is very big brain boi
@@Grandmaster-Kush that 140 score has a clearly different standard deviation than the colloquial one. Checking on a normal distribution calculator (or just googling, if you're not a dumbass unlike me) shows you that the SD on that one is 24. Which means it's equivalent to about 126.25 on the standard IQ scale everybody's talking about online.
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Roasted like only a loving parent could lol
"The Idiot of MENSA" could be a great movie
With Adam Sandler in both main roles.
There's an episode of Futurama called "The Duh-Vinci Code" that may interest you.
It's like that episode of Futurama where all the geniuses of our history live on one planet and da Vinci is the idiot out of all of the smart people.
I once did an IQ test, which seemed quite serious compared to the other ones you can find online. After spending a lot of time, I finally finished answering all the questions. It was when the website asked me to pay €5 in order to view the results of the last, I guess 45 minutes, that I realized, I was pretty dumb.
Same
Hey at least you were snart ebough to say "screw this bs"
Dumb would be paying the money. People like to do online tests, you're not dumb for doing that. By hiding your result you have an investment that you can't access. You pay the $5, they say actually it's $10, you pay another $5, you need to pay postage, the investment grows, you need a log in that's another $20 "Well I've already spent $10+P&P" you're now not paying to find out your IQ but paying because you want that previous money to be at least counted towards something. Some other charge appears next.
That's probably not the scenario of the test you did online, but it is possible it would lock your bank ransom it and ultimately be a scam. What I listed is how some scams easily get increasing amounts of money off people. You're not dumb for doing a test online.
It happened to me before too. There's a different one from mensa itself that is pretty good and free.
I now want a full season of Going low in real life. Phillip Plz do.
The silvers of the real world
I'm already doing that. Not to record it or anything, and not really on purpose, I'm just an idiot
It needs to happen
Crippling depression speedrun
Debt World Wecord
going low credit score in china
I'm glad I've watched this video in 4K.
At least i now have a reason to watch it again.
Reddit is so hive minded I have to remind myself it's not actually me going crazy
It isn't if you can find the right subreddit that's small enough and specific enough not to allow any of the soy b*llshit to leak in
"Reddit is the definition of confirmation bias" is a quote I think also summarizes a part of how it is
I once found an askreddit thread asking why reddit seemed to have such a politically left-leaning bias. Every single answer was a leftist trying to explain that the site is actually completely neutral lmao.
@@Neotenico when I've asked the question, most of answers were basically "Because on reddit you have to read, and being able to read makes you clever"
Don't use social media for news.
The design of reddit is the perfect site for echo chambers. Upvotes and downvotes are great for moderating content, but also elevating a particular opinion. People who disagree will be targeted, and then they won't bother sharing their views again. Subreddits are perfect places for echo chambers, and the views they hold can shift overtime, making long time users of a subreddit uncomfortable and leaving, accelerating the process. There are certian topics that result in more divisive, so they become more have an echo chamber. The only way to avoid becoming an echo chamber is to be a subreddit that has a subject that you can't have an opinion on, like pictures of birds with arms, and also be small enough to avoid large off topic discussions. Any subreddit that claims to not be an echo chamber is an echo chamber.
As for IQ scores, I feel that they are flawed. There are numerous reasons for this, but I think one problem is that often people treat it as a singular score that is the end all and be all. I don't think IQ scores are without merit, but I feel they are insufficient measures of intelligence.
IQ scores aren't flawed, but the use and surface level interpretation of them *is* flawed.
wallstreetbets is a perfect example of a subreddit that turned into an echo chamber. Shit got unrecognizable in just a few weeks. Some good subreddits just turn into some low effort meme gallery.
Its the closest we have to a viable intelligence scoring system, a concept flawed almost inherently. What attributes do we use as markers to qualify a persons cognition? How do you make a test that accurately reflects that?
If I remember correctly a man in Germany took so many iq tests that he progressively became better at them, scoring higher and higher. People's scores also vary depending on what they eat, how much they sleep, and other external factors.
Unpopularopinion : *literally the most basic agreeable opinion*
@@greatman707 well, unpopularopinion often has generally popular opinions that the reddit hivemind disagrees with
I've only taken an IQ test which consisted of geometric shapes, I scored 140 something. All it has ever done for me is allowing myself to be exceptionally lazy, as I've managed to get through school and university with very little effort. I've later had to work on being more productive as it had started to hurt my daily life, it has been very difficult to correct. The worst part is that 7 year old me was very productive in school, I would finish entire exercise books for fun, and read books regularly, but I was never rewarded at school, so soon I found something else to focus on.
You hate to see it. Way too relatable...
Well said, it is difficult to build work ethic later in life :(
This sounds eerily familiar.
still absolutely love this series, great to watch while eating or just to relax to. also, i feel like you’re very neutral and objective about most issues, which i really enjoy. i swear, most people just choose one side on an issue and never ever want to challenge it, or admit they might be wrong. you always strike me as actually forming opinions for yourself, and that’s really refreshing!!
His humility makes him super pleasing to listen to.
For anyone wondering why a higher IQ score is somehow not as good, it's because the tests use different values for the standard deviation. The average for both is 100, but the s.d. for the Cattell B test is 24 points, where the s.d. for the Culture Fair test is 16 points.
Mensa require a score 2 standard deviations above the mean for entry (approx top 2%, or 1 in 50 people), so the scores required would be 148 and 132 respectively on these tests. I believe most IQ tests use 15 or 16 points for their standard deviation, so 24 points is unusually high.
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@@zn9219 You failed the IQ test.
@Consoom media and lie ty
You think you pretty smart don’t ya now?
Oh but how is the mean and s.d. determined? If it is empirical, based on all test results it is biased, since only a specific group of people decides to take on a test. Also - does it get updated? I’m just a random lazy guy on yt, but I’ll google it if I have to :P
Hope you told your mum that you are clever enough for MENSA! :D
"3kliksstein isn't real, he can't-"
3kliksstein:
Who's that guy? This is clearly Kliksstein
what about kliking or klikawking?
and klikmione
and kliklok holmes
and klikmidas
(idk who the dude next to tom cruise is)
@@Swordscope3 Doesn’t everybody know about him? You’d be as stupid as a hive-minded if you didn’t!
E = mc^2kliksphilip
Will the "nobody, not a single soul: / X isn't real, it can't hurt you" shit finally end? I swear to god, it has been around for the whole duration of pandemic, and I can't stand it anymore.
It's not funny, it's not clever, it's the internet aquivalent to the Wilhelm scream, people use it, and the masses laugh/like it out of pure pavlovian conditioning, because it's a thing they remember and which got a chuckle out of them the first time, when it was novel.
This is a Public Service Announcement, please, for the love of anything you find holy or unholy...... stop.
_inb4 /r/woooosh_
Yeah, but I'm 6'1, which is importanter!
LOL! manlet!! I'm 6'4 xDD Beta noob
I'm 6'5 and a quarter and it's my only personality trait so I'm the most importantertist 😌😌😎
"I'm 6'3 but these 2 measurements are separate"
Lmao not using meters noob, you arent important at all lululululuuuuuululuuuululu
@@Ultra289 agreed
The way you cropped your head on Hermoine freaked me out 😆
You people that take...this seriously bless you hearts
I'm very tempted to take the test actually, mostly to see if the room is full of smugness and ego
i took the test and the room was kinda quiet actually. no real stereotype there really
People in mensa aren't full of ego in fact it could lower their ego if they join mensa because they realize they aren't the smartest around. And just like the other guy said, usually when you take the test it's pretty quiet I was the only one conversing with other people lol
Popular and trending subreddits are usually garbage but the smaller and more specific ones are so much better.
A friend of mine got in to Mensa, according to him it was basically a swingers club for people with a high IQ. He quickly stopped responding to invites to 'gatherings'.
Yeah I heard a lot of people say that. But they have nothing in common other than iq, so what would you otherwise do?
@@antonhelsgaun Eat cheese off a cocktail stick and use long words at each other. Come back home feeling like you impressed people, unaware the fact that none of them impressed you is a reciprocated opinion.
@61 Cygni I'm pretty sure only a small minority of high-IQ eugenicist-adjacent narcissists join Mensa lol. Anyone with any self-respect would see it's just a circle jerk club.
@@snowballeffect7812 Hey, if it gets ya laid at least once its a valid strategy
@@ileutur6863 unfortunately, that probably doesn’t happen lol. If it’s true then I’m joining mensa asap.
i gave up on putting a block inside a triangle hole because it just WONT fit in
but trust me, one day it will and i will be the smartest man alive, even mensa will be jealous of my elementary shape insertion skills
200IQ move - just cut it in half, then it fits
no way man it still dont fit in
I was the kid who would make any block fit in any shape hole. I didn't care if it wasn't the right shape or how I did it, I just did.
Hell I ain't the brightest, but I am determined.
I thought IQ tests were meant to be really hard and long affairs, but from the sound of it, they sound like the first page of a maths test you’d do in Primary school where you’d have to do 10 questions that the teacher reads out and have 5 minutes to do.
Just did a Mensa online workout test and got 72% (14/18) correct
@@Oodelally Cool I also got 12/18 and the page says that I have chances to get in so I may take an actual test after I get vaccinated
Longer IQ tests are more accurate and they all measure different things. You can be really intelligent in linguistics but not in spacial awareness. It really doesn't tell you anything about motivation, iq tests where originally made to find who needed special ed. Intelligence =/= smart nor driven to be.
So unless you need it, I'd say its better not to know. I've done multiple and am dissapointed that I'm simply not driven enough to do anything with what I have.
@61 Cygni What is then? in your opinion.
@61 Cygni I have a way of measuring intelligence
-you like metalocalypse : Einstein level iq
-You hate metalocalypse : You're a dummy dum dum
-You never heard of metalocalypse : You are a liar and a fool
Speaking from experience (and by experience, I mean talking to my mum who's a psychologist), IQ tests in the sphere I work in are mostly used on children, and not specifically for the number. We use the WISC-V (If you google it, you'll know what it stands for) and they pay close attention to certain things. I can't remember every aspect, but I believe there are four categories, and how well you do in each can *help* determine certain aspects about you. For instance, I'm great at maths and puzzle solving, but terrible at literature. This isn't a be-all end-all definitive statement for anything, but it definitely falls in line with my diagnosis for ADHD, apparently.
I've been told that, beyond the age of 6, IQ is literally meaningless and functionally serves no purpose what so ever. The people who do these tests on children are also paying attention to HOW the children are taking the tests, and it's a very observant-based, one-on-one testing, not a "room full of thirty students".
I'm not saying what Philip did "wasn't a real IQ test" or anything, it absolutely was and I've no right to rob him of that truth. I'm just hoping my insight is at least a little interesting.
Other tid-bits include: IQ is averaged for a country, so an IQ of 100 is ALWAYS the perfect, exact average of the IQ in that country. An IQ of 100 in Australia is higher than an IQ of 100 in the United States, for instance, which is why comparing IQs cross-country can be a little inaccurate.
Lastly, IQ doesn't relate to intelligence almost at all. It's used to test specific skills and I can tell you from experience, high IQ certainly doesn't include good social skills, and occasionally people with high IQs have poor problem solving skills. Keeping in mind that, according to the WISC-V at least, there's four categories and the final score is the average of those four.
@@Dregge1 "I've been told"
this series having music, and moving images helps me keep focus on it a lot more. I find the other 5 minutes with phil videos a lot, but it's hard to keep focus even on the interesting ones. The music is a very welcome addition!
Intelligence, wisdom and understanding of the truth are 3 very different things. When it comes to IQ i feel like it's best for me to not know. I feel like i'd just be disappointed with the result.
I can function and peruse what i want with the tools that i have and as i long as i know that i think i'm happy to just think i'm above average like the rest of the human population.
No they are not. The only difference is that wisdom and understanding of truth get better with age whereas IQ does not after you're an adult.
Don't fool yourself. The fact that you are afraid/anxious to get an IQ test only means that you're probably just an average human. Which is more than ok. You don't need rationalizations.
If the series doesn't end in a video exactly 5 minutes long and Philip pronouncing "heluva" correctly I am going to be upset
Your videos have always given me the impression that you know really well how to express yourself, bring ideas across and insert some smart jokes here and there. I think your test result just shows how right my perception was. There is more behind the IQ score than just a number. Congratulations!
Not exactly shocking Philip's a bright fellow. Very eloquent and has a charmingly idiosyncratic way of expressing himself in these wonderful little videos.
And now I've got the prove.
Phillip is a lot smarter than me.
Can't have been that hard to realise
Did you spell "proof", the wrong way on purpose?
5:13 "So that's one person who won't be getting into Mensa!" I swear you just channeled Jez from Peep Show, this delivery cracked me up.
These screencaps are amazing. 3000 IQ play.
Really glad I clicked on this, pretty much dispelled any reason for not watching it right away and it did change a little bit the way I think about things, it's a shame to see that we won't be getting any 200IQ triple counter rotate clips of you playing counterstrike though.
Really inter sting to hear IQ talked about in a setting where it was intended rather than the more horoscope way that it is online where people will brag about their 160IQ score on some 3 minute test online that was cut short to retain people and get ad revenue on page refreshes between each question. If you're looking to do a going low IQ score those would probably be far more interesting to see how low you could go in the same style as your case unboxing millionaire and going low in csgo series, don't know about if they charge for the MENSA tests but could be cheaper than that if they do.
As always keep up your outstanding work it's a high point in my day whenever you upload anything!
Just to clarify, this definitely is *not* the environment that IQ tests were developed for. They were made as a way to locate and support underperforming students in schools, but they were never designed to be an actual measure of intelligence.
Holy cow man, congratulations! I feel so happy for you!
The real question is if you ever joined mensa. Thats a really impressive score though so well done!
But yeah IQ tests are crazily misunderstood by most people but i guess that is too be expected as the topic of intelligence is just as misunderstood if not more so. I wish people understood that IQ tests are measuring how good you are at IQ tests not how intelligent you are. Yes there is correlation between IQ test scores and general scores of intelligence but we have no idea what that relationship is actually like.
I liked your comment about how bragging about how smart you are is stupid and you should instead brag about the things that intelligence has allowed you to achieve.
Aw Phillip's mum sounds so nice :) Her response was kind and realistic.
Eric Andre going to Mensa is the only thing worth learning about Mensa. Full of people who are so self conscious they need to pay a company to make them feel good.
philip is smart he made one for it's time pretty revolutionary guide series.
"....................... wear a wig on a Sunday".......... made me have my first REALLY GOOD laugh this week!! Thank you! :D
A lot of the IQ hate comes from how biased it is as an evaluation, and people finally know that now.
How can it be biased? It's just visual logic puzzles?
I have been watching you for a long time, and I still cant get over this background music I LOVE IT
Philip, you're opening comments are unbelievably accurate. As a Libertarian, my views are considered evil by pretty much all redditors. Pointing out the flaws of our previous president is essentially upvote farming, while criticizing our current president, no matter how well supported your argument is, is guaranteed to receive hateful comments from everyone. There is no real capability for critical thinking on that website and it's very frustrating to see.
Ironically, MENSA means dumb in spanish. I always laugh at that unfortunate coincidence.
i look forward to every 5 minutes with phil episode thank you for this content!
this is probably my favorite 5m with phill, nice video
I literally muttered "He's done me..." aloud at the end
You cheeky bastard
i tried to use reddit once and one of my comments got enough downvotes that i was banned from posting by default on most subreddits lmao took like a day
Based
Reddit mods stay power tripping.
Got banned off the picture one for annoying the mod.
Going low, substandard IQ edition, I would love to watch this.
Also by my high IQ and incredible calculations I'd say that these 5 minutes have been great.
Love them, I'll keep coming back every single time.
Ohhh, that's why he made this video. I didn't even realize it was a 5 minutes episode.
a nice 'life side quest' indeed! thanks for sharing
Hey, Philips not very good at articulating my thougths, but just wanted to say I am very happy that you make these kinds of videos and talk about people being bit too unreasonable about some stuff it makes me feel validated in a way because sometimes I think its me who's thinking too much and the people are right about what they are saying and its me who is being unreasonable. So thanks :).
Jamie Loftus did a podcast mini series called “my year in Mensa” where she recounts how she accidentally got accepted after taking the test for an article she was writing and explores the stupidity of the whole Mensa organisation, it’s really good
thanks for the recommendation!
@@offan- no problem, and if you want to lose your faith in humanity, listen to her “Lolita” podcast. A fascinating and horrifying deep dive into child exploitation in media
@@deansartorel5570 Good one I'lll have to check those out. You might enjoy Camp Hell: Anneewakee, it's about a camp for kids that for some reason don't function in regular society but it's incrediby fucked up what they got away with for decades.
Sounds interesting, might check it out. Cheers.
"One of life's little side quests" love this phrase
All I really got out of my IQ Tests is that I lost motivation for learning and learned I’m disabled. That’s it.
philip u should go to a mensa Convention while wearing a suit of armor
Circlejerks are incredible
MENSA ?!!? Hmmm sounds so familiar
2:26 Rain man... That's kinda funny in my opinion.
I never really got what IQ tests actually were until I watched this, thanks.
Good for you, Philip. I tried an IQ test twice, not a MENSA certified one, but a school one and I wasn't smart enough to get special treatment, however I was still above average even if only slightly, so good enough.
Personally I did a pretty different test, when I was 11.
WISC IV, It was a lot more about 3D space, word association, comprehension, memory...
And additionally there was a whole psychologic analysis of me by actual professionals to go with it, and honnestly having unearthed that document after having forgotten about it for years (22 now) it was very enlightening.
If you actually are wondering what's going on inside your head i'd suggest doing that instead of a multiple choice test, that just gives you a number at the end, seems like it's more important than being part of some club...
6:20 *And I took that personally.*
Knowing me, I probably won’t be able to get into Mensa just because I know I’m slow/average, but I felt a little better when I realized that they don’t really do anything for the advancement of science or society. From what people are saying, they just try “outsmart” each other in the discussions they hold from time to time, so it would be more of a waste of time to join them in the first place.
I really enjoyed this video. I’ve taken numerous IQ tests and I revealed it once when I was a young adult and everyone began to view me differently in school. I hated being viewed as the “smart guy” and everyone’s walking answer machine- especially when I always felt that people with real skills and abilities always seem way more knowledgeable and complete as individuals, something I look up to. I never have mentioned my IQ since because I truly feel you can’t put a number on something as complex as the human mind and it’s intelligence. And to comment on the hive mind. I try to lay off of reddit and such nowadays because it’s not fun anymore, people always have a point to prove and an objective. I miss when it was more carefree.
On the defensive urge to criticise Mensa, it's often joked that anyone who pays for a subscription to validate their intelligence isn't so smart. I understand the historical significance of joining a high-intelligence society, but in the age of the internet there's a forum for every group of like-minded smart folks that's almost certainly better than the Mensa equivalent (if it even exists). I'm not trying to be inflammatory, I legitimately want to know why someone would want to join.
As someone who did join, here are a few reasons why I did it and why I'm still in it. Keep in mind that Mensa is not really one global organization, every country has its own Mensa, so experience may differ. First of all, only a minority of people in Mensa are there to "validate their intelligence" and boost their ego (they do exist though). Most just want to meet / talk to similar people. We have some forums, mailing lists (I know, old-fashioned) and due to the pandemic now quite an active Discord server and I wouldn't be so sure that there are better alternatives to them out there. Having to actually prove you're smart does filter out a lot of people. There are still some non-sensical discussions (people in Mensa tend to like discussions), it's just that both sides can usually argue well. Which can lead to some quite hilarious discussions. The majority is quite chill though.
Personally however, I prefer actually meeting other people. Depending on where you live, there are a lot of activities organized - just going to the pub, playing games, climbing mountains, whatever. Additionally there are some events spanning several days like the Mensa Youth camps and the annual meeting. You can get quite a lot out of it, most importantly some very good friends. It's just nice to talk to people who think at the same speed you do and who are just as bad at remembering names.
And lastly, although you do of course have to pay to be in it - it really isn't much. It was designed such that anyone with sufficient IQ can be a member, no matter how much money you have. But again, that's where I live, other countries might be different.
@@iTheVisitor I can appreciate the opportunities you listed and making friends, connections etc. My other critique of Mensa is to do with that fact subject specific knowledge doesn't necessarily indicate high IQ and vice versa. Expertise trumps IQ in every facet of life other than perhaps logic puzzles. Things such as the Royal Societies in Commonwealth nations seem better at what they do. In the more generalised goal to bring people with the highest academic potential I can't argue Mensa does a good job.
@@iTheVisitor admittedly I have no idea how good the Royal societies actually are. I should have specified the IDEA seems like a more fruitful pursuit than Mensa.
kliksphilip's IQ is 142 (and 133) but 133 is better because it's a different one
FYI this works differently in different countries. Not saying the people bragging about their IQ on Reddit aren't lying, but the fact that they only have 1 score is not an immediate giveaway. In my country the Mensa IQ test only gave a single score (And I was too dumb to get in)
I agree honestly nice video Philip
"You are what you eat special"
It's a legendary tale of a really fit man with the flattest belly in the world, showing you how to eat like him.
The reason you have gotten 142 on the Cattell B and it mentions you are in the top 4% is because the Cattell B test uses a different standard deviation. On the Culture Fair scale the standard deviation is 15, making the iq of 133 at the top 2%. Your 142 score on the Cattell B translates to 127-128 iq. I hope that clears up some stuff for you
i watched over 1000 of his videos and from this expirience i would say, yes hes 120-30 as you said.
i dont think its 140. these people use different language and are often interested in these super conplec topics i cant even attempt to understand.
i really like his videos and i think hes very smart, but not 140. :)
thank you for high quality subtitles 🙏
People on Reddit: I have 600 IQ!!!!11
Philp: Only one? Amateurs.
My supervised Mensa IQ score was a barely respectable 116 on a standard deviation of 15.
:) phil da best
next philip frag movie: 142 IQ PLAYS!!
Dear Mr P
wwwow, what a name to have, Philip P, amazing
The upvote button is not even for if you agree or disagree with someone. It's supposed to be for if the person contributes to the discussion. IE, a person who adds a polite, rational counterargument that you disagree with should not be downvoted. Yet that is not how it's used.
Just a clarification about MENSA, at least in my country, you have to pay to have a status of officially being in the MENSA, but it's not a lot and it's basically just so it can operate on all levels. From the meetings with other members, testing around the country, and other things.
Honestly, I see MENSA more as a platform to find other like-minded people or with similar interests. Also, you get the chance to go on trips all around the world you wouldn't plan for yourself otherwise.
Sorry to hear Mob Mentality is attacking you simply for being British.
Entertaining way of handling it. Thank you for the fun video!
Mensa in Italian means cafeteria, which in Italian (with a double f and t) means coffee shop, which to Italians means the place where you buy weed.
I hope you can push through the negative comments, your upvote ratio is showing that almost everyone likes the content!
I am so early the subtitles aren't present lol
My thoughts exactly
Robbie Knox is a certified genius
I don't know if I would like to join a "High IQ Society", sounds more than a bit snobby. I might do the test one day though.
i hope you see this phil this video is the best one so far i think youre either getting better or this was just funny i like the part where you roast reddit
Philip is the only youtuber I would be happy to meet irl. Maybe even the only celebrity. (If you can count him as one)
"People on that site clearly deem themselves as superior to those on other sites, yet are just as suceptible to the hivemind mob mentality" My experience which 4chan hating on reddit.
Also worth noting there are several different IQ systems. I've personally done tye one called WAIS.
That one you test verbal problemsolving and math. Perceptive tests with puzzles, pattern to complete.
Speed and work memory tests where you fill in a lot of information with specfik parameters, going as far as you can with a time limit.
With this system, 100 IQ is average, a perfect score is about 140 but the test dramatically loses accuracy after 135. As the differenciating people at that level would require a way more expansive test.
Mensa only look at the first two on a scale called GAI.
My biggest problem with IQ is that there are so many other types of intelligence. Creative thinking, communicaion abilities, body control, empathy, structural thinking, spatial awarness, etc.
Every way our brain think and does stuff, we can be good at it at different levels. A dancer with an IQ of 90 but who can control their every muscle in ultra specific ways to dance to music is an intelligent person. Just in a different way to someone like me.
I have an GAI score of 136 (99,5% of population) but have the body coordination of a drunk bambi on ice.
You caught my attention right at the beginning. Not by the beautiful Photoshop, but because you politely said that people who think they know it "all", is probably not the most intelligent.
In fact. High IQ = the more you get to know, the more you understand that there is more that you don't know.
Before i watch the rest, i can tell you are pretty intelligent. From the way you analyze every angle of a situation before concluding. And the way You don't say "this" or "that", rather "what's in between? Why does people have different perspectives?".
I did the mensa test in hungary about 2 years back, but I didn't get two results, I only got one, and we didn't have a test with any sort of language in it. Maybe it's only for english speaking countries, idk...
As always, amazing video, philip, loving the new series.
I remember doing the online test on the mensa website, it was only about logic and you had 25 minutes to do it. Its like a practice run and it tells you if you have any chance of being a member if you decide to try the real one.
What score did you get? I wonder if they slightly inflate scores to encourage more people to pay for the test
@@mennims 148 I think, it said I should go and do the real test, so perhaps they do as you said haha
I'm taking a BA in second language teaching, and I vaguely remember something about the idea of testing someone "smartness" with a test. I'm probably an awful student because I don't remember it to a T but it was someone about the difficulty of trying to test someone's intelligence as the idea mostly relies for the user to be familiar with certain topics and scenarios that not everyone may be aware or even know about. Sure, most of the tests try to mitigate these but it's not 100% perfect and as you mention, people under a certain pressure will answer something randomly just to get it over with and move on, which you mentioned doing (which again, completely normal).
I don't know if I should conclude this with, probably with something along the lines of "it doesn't really matter how smart you think you are, but what exactly you do with it".
Also, I found interesting that, of course, age is calculated differently, because recently here in Mexico there has been a similar news making the rounds of a little girl being smarter than Einstein. I remember someone mentioned in one of these articles: "why these news always happen every so often and after a while these kids suddenly disappear?" I wasn't exactly aware, while in hindsight obvious, that people get scored different with age. So I guess every news paper runs with the article, either with no idea how it works (I sure didn't) or knows and willingly goes ahead with it.
i remember doing an iq test a while back. it was similar to how you described it, but it was a more 1 on 1 experience, and i think this was due to it being more of a psychological evaluation than strictly an iq test. They gave me two scores, IQ and Global Ability Index, but there was only one iq. I am in mensa, but I used this IQ and report rather than the actual mensa test, so maybe that explains the difference. anyway, i find it hilarious that people now find iq offensive...
Rain Man Phillip lol.
The Legacy kliksphilip is creating on youtube will be remembered for hundreds of years.
So basically the IQ test is the real life equivelent of CSGO ranking syatem
At least everyone on Twitter hates each other
I have been much happier since realizing I was not as intelligent as I believed I was.
While I haven't seen the mensa iq tests, I really doubt you can't get a higher iq the second time around, especially with things like shapes.
I've seen youtube videos that try and teach you the logic in them and after watching some i know for a fact that I'd be able to notice the pattern in places where I was unable beforehand, also iq might work the same way reaction times do, where your reaction time is supposedly genetic, but you can still train it and get better at it, because you train your attention.
Whilst waiting around for a delayed flight not too long ago, I strolled into a book shop, on the 'clearance table', 5-6 Different MENSA puzzle books at $2 each. I bought 2, worked through the first bit of both on the flight, the puzzles become ridiculously difficult the further you progress.
As an American with slightly different political views from Reddit this is an exceptional video mate.
Philip, you were great in the Harry Potter Movies!
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