Baby, BRRRRRRT Me One Last Time (FMS A-10 70mm Crash)
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0:00 Introduction \ Preflight
0:59 Takeoff \ Issue Discussion
2:00 Strafe Pass Test
2:23 Retract Issues \ Weak BEC \ Landing
3:22 Thrust Line Issues \ @hamiltonshangar Callout
4:15 Poor Thrust Line Makes for Great Inverted High Alpha
5:18 ESC Overheating Issues
6:08 Performing Inverted Alpha like Queen of the Sky
8:00 Landing \ Hot Swap
9:00 Takeoff \ Advice
9:40 Inverted Alpha Crash \ Postmortem
11:32 A Proper Sendoff: Intentional Nose Dive
12:35 Postmortem
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I’m on you side if a plane has issues and is not fun to fly why bother fixing it it’s not an enjoyable experience.
This guy gets it. I'm not going to go through all the effort of repairing a jet (one I've already fixed, mind you) just to run into the same problems it had before.
@@TwoBrosRC yes there just some folks out there that I think take this hobby to seriously and take the fun out of it.
Oh for sure. "How dare you fly in a way I personally don't" always cracks me up.
The best part was when you throttled the fuselage closed, lol
Lol I almost wanted to try flying it like that.
It was like a Viking funeral of rc planes 😆
Jon.... this is by far the greatest RC aircraft channel on CZcams....and the vidography unmatched as well as pushing the envelope and great lessons for setup and flying......That A10 inverted high alpha was stunning .....TY for posting ...TERRIFIC WORK!!!!.. Lee
Thanks so much Lee! That really means a lot to us. We put a lot of time and effort into this channel and it makes us happy to see how well you guys receive it. Thanks for being part of our community!
Good sendoff man hell ya keeping it real 😆
Hi Jon, I don't know much about RC aircraft but I do know a thing or two about this song - I'm the DJ who played it on WKNC! I'm grateful you enjoy the song so much. Thanks for listening!
Dude that's awesome! When I found her Bandcamp and saw it's cool to use her music with credit, I had to jump on it. She's got a real talent for capturing moods. Thanks for introducing me to this wonderful piece. ❤️
Dang man! The thrust line is crazy on this one! Sorry that happened but this V1 was a V1 for a reason. Thanks for the callout & happy flying!
Right on. V2 might be interesting but I'd rather get the Freewing 80mm.
Cool stuff 😎👍
Love your commentary man I learn alot
I try to be helpful. Thank you!
WOW dude, wicked cool. Thats what happened to me, maiden flight thrust line, throttled it, and porpoised lil, snapped the front gear rt off on the E-flite version I have. I never knew why, thanks bro, now I see and know, exactly what happened. I cant wait for the gear replacement cause it flew well though lol. That was Awesome sir!!
Glad you enjoyed! I don't think the 64mm suffers from a thrust line issue but it could definitely have been caused by the motors being mounted up high.
You don't need to toot your horn your flying blast it like a tornado warning siren and you can't forget Tony's video skills are unmatched great stuff 👍✌️
Appreciate you, my man.
Love the rooster in the background
Glad you enjoy it because I find it kind of obnoxious lol
Love that plane awsum
That was funny....lol I've never flown this version of the FMS 70 A-10. I do own and love the eflite 64. I recently had an opportunity to buy an older v1 fms 70 hanging in a hobby shop but I passed on it, I guess it was a good call. Thanks buddy.
Wow Deliberately lawn darted, boy you really didn’t want that A10 anymore. lol 😂 😆 😝
So smashing it in the ground was intentional?
Oh yes. I was just tired of the multitude of issues it gave me, so I didn't want to invest the time into repairing it when it wasn't enjoyable enough to put that level of effort in.
Yeah I’m not sure I would have risked damaging my battery!
Mine are pretty cheap so no love lost there if they go up.
Inverted high alpha fully loaded...!
Dreams do come true..!
I have wanted to plant a couple models in the past, but just couldn’t make myself due to the money invested. After watching this I think I have renewed interest in permanently sending a couple of my less than awesome planes into their final crater to make room for some new, better flying and fun aircraft.
Haha, glad I inspired you! I just didn't see the point in repairing it. I bought it months ago - back in February - and it was just issue after issue and I was fed up with it.
I’m slightly disappointed it was not a more spectacular wreck
@@jacobboone6078 I shall endeavour to leave a debris field worthy of you next time, Jacob. :)
Next time put an Easter Egg full on Tanamite in the canopy THEN smash it into the ground! "BOOM!"
NIIIIIIIIIIIICE! 🤪👍
I'll be sure to use a junk battery and receiver for that haha
I love my Eflite duel 64mm A10. She just flies on rails!!! Can just yank and bank on it and she just holds the line. Kick some rudder and she feels more like a F16 ripping a 9G 1500' turn lol.
Love it 🤣😂🤣
Inverted alpha was kool!
Thanks Randy! It was tricky to pull off but so totally worth it.
Well i have the A10 V2.... inrunner and i may just keep it on my ceiling. Inverted was awesome 👌 .
The V2 should be significantly improved over the V1 - if nothing because the thrust line issue was resolved. I could deal with the wonky ground handling but not the thrust line - I had enough at the end.
@@TwoBrosRC you should do a follow up comparison video with the v2
If you guys want to contribute to it, absolutely - I could look into that. Hangar 18 has one on the shelves. The problem is that I don't feel it's worth $620 - for that price I'd rather go a little higher and get the Freewing 80mm A-10.
Where in NC? We are in the south triad area.
Cary, specifically.
Sent to RC hell. 👏👏👏
Oh no, he’s turning into the Whistlin Diesel of rc aviation! LOL JK keep up the good videos sir!
Just taking out the trash my man. This jet sucked so much. I paid $400 for it and will likely be selling the gear set for $150 on eBay. I feel like I got $150 worth of parts with nine good servos, two 70mm motors, and two ESCs.
@@TwoBrosRC like you said in the video, your plane to do what you want with. If anyone thinks otherwise they are too woke for me LOL I’m just here to learn and be continually amazed at what you make these planes do. I just want to land my TTE with breaking the landing gear!
@@jacobboone6078 I could probably film the Timber and how to land high wing bush planes (especially in three point landings) if you're interested in that kind of content. Never let it be said that I won't go out of my way to film something people want to see.
@@TwoBrosRC id watch that for sure!
@@jacobboone6078 You're in luck, I spent several minutes shooting how to land Timbers including with the stick view - and in wind shear to boot. It'll go up sometime next week.
I do the same thing sometimes when I flew the hell out of the plane and crash 🤣
Better than crashing when you're just going in circles. ;)
Ur my latest favorite u tubber I rock thanks for the tips and entertainment
Epic!!! Now I wana try this inverted alpha! It’s a great looking plane but ground handling is crap flys nice though
Crap is putting it lightly, this thing handles so poorly on the ground it's unbelievably bad. Thanks man!
What’s the temperature in NC? I just finished flying in 107 degree weather.
It was high 90s when Tony and I were filming. I don't envy you flying in 107 temps haha
@@TwoBrosRC what is you’re three best flying free wing rc jets
F-22 tops my list, followed closely by the F-15 and Gripen.
I've been wanting to make this rc plane from scratch, what I have in mind is a twin motor pusher on a flat wing made from 3 layers of foam board in a swept wing kind of shape, and the motors behind the wing, and I'd also have wingtips to just make it fly better along with some foam landing skids under the wing and the front of the fuselage, the motors I'm using are drone motors and I'm using drone props with them too, my only concern is that the prop will slip because I can mount the prop on the motor backwards, but less of it touches the motor because it's like a valley going to the middle of the motor shaft, although it stays on pretty well with pulling and with sudden acceleration when mounted properly, I was thinking, since it would be pushing on the motors, it would make it press up against the motor more, decreasing the chance of the prop slipping. The motor I believe is a xing-e 2306 2450kv 2s-4s motor, and the plane I have the motors on at the moment(which I'm planning to recycle the electronics and make a new plane after learning to fly it because the motors were mounted below the wing, so every time it was given power it would go up) runs them on 2 4s lipos each, it drains power fast but it's fun and kind of fast when flying.
Good luck with it man! Building is a unique challenge. Not really my thing, but I enjoy seeing what other people come up with.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks, some of my builds are uploaded to my CZcams channel if you would like to check them out
Man! That stinks. Amazing flight otherwise! Can’t believe it did the inverted high alpha! That thing was FULL of issues. I myself ALMOST crashed doing 120mph on my V900 earlier 😂 the wings FOLDED 3 times when I tried putting it at full throttle. Wings folded and went straight towards the ground. The elevator also came undone in the front part which allowed it to move side to side. Man! I thought that it was SAFE mode I tried flipping the switch but it WASNT in SAFE mode when I thought it was. So I therefore continued flying and tried full throttle a couple more times and it preceded to do the same thing. I somehow safely managed to get it down. Boy. That was scary. The footage was terrible. That’s what I’m sad about. 😂 so I’m not exactly sure what I should do with it. Oh well! Everybody has rough days!
I’m thinking… I should send it straight into the ground full throttle like you did with the A-10… it’ll be safely done in the middle of a field 😂
How'd the wings fold? They should be super strong. That's legitimately concerning. I'd talk to Horizon tech support about that, they're really good about covering things even if they've been flown.
@@TwoBrosRC No idea. And yes that’s definitely concerning. The last time I flew it before this morning the same issue had JUST started happening. Coming in for a low fast pass and it turned right towards my face so I had to pull out of it. But otherwise yeah I know it’s a safety hazard for sure 😂. Just too many flights? I myself have never pulled any high G’s with it. I bought it off another guy but that was over a year ago. So no idea! Highly doubt Horizon will cover that but I guess it’s worth a shot!?!
Oh, yeah, that's probably not covered since you didn't buy it directly from them or a distributor.
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah lol. Time to have some fun at 1,000 subs 😁… or maybe sooner. No idea yet!
It’s a little late but do you mix the thrust line out? It works really well, surprisingly. With a jet or a pattern aerobatic plane that I want to fly on rails, I’ll trim it up to fly straight as an arrow at cruise throttle, say half. Then, I know people will say doing this in the air is risky but most radios are designed to allow it, I call up a mix curve for each stick axis, one at a time. So in the case of a primarily horked up thrust line, I would call up the throttle to elevator curve, then increase throttle by, say, 10% at a time. For each throttle increment from cruise to full throttle, I drop an elevator mix curve point to counter the thrust line. Then I go back to cruise and do the same, in increments down to idle, dropping curve points to counter each thrust line error with a splined curve that is empirically set by manually inputting the exact amount of elevator needed to fly straight and level. I do the same with rudder. And the same with aileron. Then I put all three of those splined curves on the same switch. Flip that switch and the plane flies on a wire with throttle changes.
I’ll do the same with the flap to elevator mix, so Flaps tracking down flies on a wire regardless of both flap position and throttle setting. Sometimes if I get crazy I’ll add a curve for flaps to rudder on a throttle curve and the same for aileron. Then flaps up or down doesn’t really affect the flightpath.
In a forward/aft-swinging main gear pattern airplane or jet, or when CG really varies a lot as the gear travels down (Corsairs being maybe the worst offenders) I’ll usually mix gear position to elevator on a throttle incremented spline, too.
I tried - the elevators didn't react well to it. It kept nosing into the ground even with the mix. I gave up and just started remembering to add pitch as I throttled up.
@@TwoBrosRC
Bummer, it could’ve be the difference between a simple linear mix and transferring the actual stick position to the curve while flying. I’m pretty sure Spektrum has that feature, but I’m not sure how easy/safe it is to drop level flight inputs required onto the mix curve while flying.
Another (future) option that is more conventional/pure aero would be to put a lip on, or inside of, the bottom of each nozzle. So instead of a circular nozzle you have a permanent ramp on the bottom to hardwire some thrust vectoring. You see this on a lot of seaplanes with a high mounted pusher. The A-10 itself does this with the core nozzle inside the fan nozzle.
Haha, it's unfortunately a bit late for that now - the jet's been dismantled. I don't think you can even get the V1 of it anymore. V2 might be interesting but I'd rather go with the Freewing 80mm version.
@@TwoBrosRC
Yeah, I guess stuff like thrust lines are lost on RC copy cat designers. There is a nice cutaway diagram showing the A-10’s fixed upward thrust vector in DTIC’s archive called, “A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog) SYSTEMS ENGINEERING CASE STUDY,” on page 8, bottom of Figure 4.
EVERY plane i hate, wont do as i want, or pisses me off beyond, gets THAT! Today COULD be THAT day for my new commander! 👍😁
Lol why do you hate the Commander?
@@TwoBrosRC
Mine had a ton of crap wrong. Inside the sealed packings. I emailed HH about it, nothing. They dont givadam about those of us with problems.
When Brian Phillips did his review, i left MY issues there.
Luckily, for the commander, yesterday, it finally flies like i want. Still not sure if im gonna keep it. Its an open wound for me. Im on the fence on if i wanna do the Mongolian Stomp on it.
Hate to break this to ya man, but FMS made the Commander. So the issues you're seeing are their problem. All manufacturers have QC issues in mass production, unfortunately.
@@TwoBrosRC
True. BUT, for HH not to make it right, is wrong on all levels. IMHO
For sure. I'd keep telling them what the issue is. They've always come through for me in support.
12:15 Kamikaze lol Lawn Dart Very Entertaining
Hi Jon. Thanks for another great video. But I’m a bit confused. Is this the same 70mm A10 model that was in an excellent video from about a month ago where you compared it to an Eflight 64mm A-10? Because in that video I think you actually liked the 70mm A-10. As I recall you liked it even better than the Eflight A-10 if I’m not mistaken. Keep up the great work and have a good weekend.
It is the same jet, or was. My opinion changed after I had Tony fly it. You know how having a second set of eyes on something can really open your mind to thoughts you didn't consider? That's what happened here. We came to the realization that the 64mm actually flies much better in general.
4:45 cocka-doodle-do 😂
Wow great high alpha invert. Crashing it was painful to watch. Shoulda fixed it and flown some more. Or sold it. Great content on the flight though. That was really cool. Impressive
Thanks man. I had no interest in fixing it - the issues I mentioned throughout the vid would have still been there, or perhaps even more exaggerated after a repair job. Just wasn't worth my time - the electronics are all salvageable so I'll be reusing what I can in future models.
Lawn Dart 🎯 lol
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☢️☣️☢️☣️☢️☣️💥........
AirHammer out!!
Not sure what that means but I'll take it lol
Just a beer cooler.
Just the tail left now. Gonna mount it to the wall of my hangar as a memento.
I HAVE a couple planes the I want to kamakaze , but I managed to figure out the issues with one and also think i can fix the 2nd , but I was SOOO close to just planting them in the ground....your planes your choice , I have killed several planes due to lack of skill and DUMB newb mistakes.. what plane will take its place ?
The Freewing F-5 is taking this jet's place - already got it set up for the maiden tomorrow.
I did that with my TT EVO, Could not get the esc to stop over-heating so I said F It!
Haha that's unfortunate - I actually covered how to fix it in the setup vid. Use a 13x5 prop and move the ESC forward.
I did that and also cut a vent hole into the bottom of the cowel to get even more air into it. It still over-heated in about 80 degree weather.
That's odd. Sounds like the ESC needed to be replaced. I have a 60a that always overheats too.
I didn't like the TT EVO after the first esc failure, used that excuse to buy the Draco and then the CZ Cessna 150T. They fly so much better or should I say easier than the smaller 1.5m. Have not had any issues with them that wasn't my fault. I fly those pretty good now and thanks to you I am pushing myself to do more maneuvers to get better. Keep up the great content.
Will do, my man. You've actually surprised me because I've never seen anyone go for a Draco over a Timber. Here's hoping it lasts a long time and makes you really happy.
That's the downside of foam. My old fiberglass covered jets took beating after beating and didn't explode from a soft crash or stiff slam.
Foam isn't hard to repair though. I just didn't care for this model and was happy to have a reason to send it into the ground 😂
@@TwoBrosRC Well, it was performing awesome inverted up to that point. I just don't have enough experience with it I guess.
@@TheFrenchPug Were you flying yours like mine?
@@TwoBrosRC I didn't try the inverted alpha but have kind of hovered it. Had a couple rough landings and crashes with other jets but no crushing like foam does where you can't repair it sometimes.
Foam is easy to repair if you expand it back using 180 to 200F water and a flexible adhesive like FoamTac. For structural bonds, Gorilla Glue works great.
The only complaint that could be made is that you didn't rig it with explosives and set them off when you crashed... other than that, this video was just more amazing piloting.
How many years have you been flying these?
Haha, yeah, I didn't plan on destroying the model's components because I want to reuse them. I've been flying full scale simulators since I was a kid, and got back into radio control in August of 2020. I started flying jets in March of 2021.
@@TwoBrosRC Ahh, so THAT is why you didn't use explosives! :D
Full scale sims: Yes, I JUST now saw your first Freewing AL37 video where you mentioned flying FS95 as a kid.
I did the same thing! I went to my highschool friend's house who had a BRAND NEW super high performance 1994 computer that was maybe 433 or 500MHz (Whoah!) and flew the learjet down the Seattle ILS 16R trying to exactly pace/match up with the airliner I was listening to on Seattle approach getting vectored.
It's amazing how bad FS95 looks compared to anything now.
@@TwoBrosRC Man, I haven't seen FS95 since 1998 when I bought FS98. I remember that the Learjet was the only civilian jet in it. My highschool friend must have thought I was obsessed with flying FS95 on his computer. I would go to his place after school like I always had, but with FS95 I paid no attention to him. At all. :) And there were only a couple flap settings on the Lear.... like 0, 8 20 and 30 if I remember right. Which was annoying for trying to fly along with the airliners overhead at 170 KIAS with flaps 5.
Hey, do you think people would want an RC 757 that was 4' 7" long? with 60MM EDFs?
That would allow me to, in the future, make a 747 in the same scale with 70MM EDFs...
And a 777X would have 100mm (assuming those exist?)
And thanks again for that fantastic radio recommendation!
@@StratMatt777 Haha yeah, man, I got into my career because of FS95 - I became a game artist and now work for a studio because of that game.
I think you'd be better off making 70mm instead of 60. 70mm would let you get a good size to faithfully replicate the scale of the jet without making it too large.
broke my heart! why why why!!!!???? was so fixable!! I don't know how to feel about this one! yeah just foam! really expensive foam! smh!
Did you watch the entire video where I detailed all of the issues this jet has? I didn't want to repair it and go through the same problems all over again. The thrust line points down, making it hard to fly close to the ground. The nose wheel doesn't track straight which makes it handle really poorly on the ground, etc. It just was not worth my time to fix and repair - just because something crashes doesn't mean it's worth fixing, you know?
@@TwoBrosRC You could of just give it away to someone less fortunate to afford a model like that, but hey, it was your plane and your choice! I respect that, although it is always hard to watch something like this happening! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Thumbs-up for your video 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷
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I agree, he could give it away to somebody else who might like it better than him… Not everyone can afford such an airplane and it is still beautiful even if it does not fly the way you want. I know that sometimes is frustrating when things don’t go as we want but in the end is an airplane and it deserves some love and care…
@@tomasscherer I'm not going to give a cursed model away. That's just kicking a problem to someone else.
Poor A-10 😭😭😭
The intentional crash was epic!
I don't think purchasing a A-10 (any brand) to do "high-alpha" was the selling point or strategy behind this particular model. Having said that. At 9:58 if you'd continued with "down elevator" instead of attempting to roll you would have sailed smoothly out of your stunt. New maneuver within a maneuver always risky.
You must be new to our channel! One of the main reasons people watch us is to see what models can actually do, and inverted high alpha with an A-10 is one of those things we do to push the limits of these models so anyone buying them sees how well built and capable they are. You are correct that we made a mistake on recovery there, but the V1 A-10 was getting to the end of its lifespan for us. You can see our work with the V2 here: czcams.com/video/elV0nE7AgBA/video.html
Yea that was the best way to end it, never fun to see a poorly designed model
But the video was defo fun
That plane had plenty of issues... I have no problem with the way you chose to retire it. You get plenty of good spares. If it was me, I'd probably do the same thing. Why fix a plane you don't enjoy flying. If you sell it, you'd have to explain all the bad qualities and with that, you'd have to bring the price down so low that it wouldn't be worth selling it... and I'd feel bad selling a plane that I thought flew badly....
Exactly. I can't sell something that flies this poorly in good conscience.
Hi Jon I’ve Just recently came across your channel and without a doubt you’ve got to have one of the best rc jet channels on CZcams! My only comment would be about the saying the jet has major issues with having the thrust line where it is. I would say the actual a 10 has the same issues which are going to be inherent with the engine placement. FMS made a very scale model so there’s no way to get away from it. If they dropped the thrust line down lower it’s simply would not look like an a10 and will look funny.
Glad I found your channel! Fantastic stuff!
Hey man, glad to have you aboard! Unfortunately this actually is a legitimate issue with the V1 A-10. I believe that I mentioned it in the video, but the V2 A-10 has a fixed thrust line which was adjusted by changing the angle of the exhaust nozzles behind the fans. V1 has them pointing down, which of course produces a pitch down response when thrust is added. That's one reason why it rolls squirrelly.
You know, I was just going back to your video to put that exact thing! I They probably should’ve canted the engines down a bit in the back to offset the thrust line . Really enjoying watching your videos.
I guess it has to be nice to have that much loot to not even fix to airworth again'
Given the multitude of issues I detailed in this vid, I just didn't see the point of repairing it to experience them all over again. It's not an issue of having "too much loot" - I'm not made of money - but I don't want to keep something in my hangar that sucks, and this jet really does suck.
Yeah, I didn't like that plane but you could have sold it, donated it, someone would have wanted it. Wish I had cash to crash and burn.
@@lancelink88 I could have, but chose not to. I didn't want to sell it when I could re-use all of the electronic components. The servos, motors, ESCs, and gear are all reusable. I could even sell the gear because they're still pristine, and they sell new for nearly half of what I paid to get this model.
@@TwoBrosRC hello Jon my opinion is that you don't need to explain yourself for retiring the A10 anyway you choose whether it's to hang it on a wall or having a accident and it broke into 3 pieces lol have fun repurposing the parts! Your friend Marty (Matti) from Canada 🇨🇦 🇫🇮🛩🛩
@@martymannisto1109 Thanks Marty - I think people take this hobby just a tad too serious. In the end, we're flying foam shaped like iconic aircraft. They're toys in the most essential sense. If this A-10 could talk, I'm sure it would have been happy about the way it went out - it did something no other A-10 has done on CZcams. It flew in sustained inverted high alpha. Who else can say that? I'm happy to retire it finally. The FW 80mm will be the next one I get, and we'll see what kind of hijinks we can get up to with it.
Unfortunately just like the FMS warbirds, they look fantastic, but have never flown as good as even a cheaper e-flite or Freewing model. I don’t get it, but I don’t buy FMS anymore
FMS makes most of the E-flite models. Newer FMS products like the Viper 90mm or F-16 80mm are on par with, or better, than comparable Freewing models.
There's old pilots
There's bold pilots
There are no 9ld bold pilots lol.
It's app good man. Don't sweat dirt napping a plane that doesn't fly well.
I got nothing good to say. So I won't say anything.
You said something though, so I'm sorry this bothered you.
That's the first and last time I've seen a plane crashed on purpose. Not a fan...see ya.
K, bye!
if you know the plane has issues why take it out. i hear you mention all these issues and you don't make adjustments. that's the definition of a bad pilot. you've lost a subscriber.
See ya! 👋