Marvel - Final Desperation
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- A recent Variety article shed a great deal of light on the problems and challenges at Marvel (most of their own making) and the frankly ridiculous solutions they're considering.
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If only Marvel had 80 years of source material to draw stories from.
Classic story and fall of a corporation becoming to big, they loose it.
Or the gumption to realise that they do.
Disney has thousands of years of legends and history to draw on for their stories and they choose to...rewrite Snow White with an angry POC. 😂
They're probably unaware.
Wouldn't shock me if the corporate shirts thought Marvel was a new thing.
@@musical_lolu4811too late either way
None of it is compatible with the trash narratives they rewrote
So after years of us being called basement dwelling incels, and nothing but sexist, misogynistic bigots…the main stream is now agreeing with us? What a shock…
They're not agreeing with you. They just want your money. They don't care about anything else.
@@BB-te8tcyou’re probably right!
What???
They are not agreeing with you. Somehow they can say the exact same thing, and still not agree with you. Because it's not you saying it, it's them. That's how it works.
It's almost like it's run by sociopathic dipsh*ts...
Long live the MCU. 2008-2019. it was incredible while it lasted.
MCU started with tony Stark and died with tony stark
@@griimrose Nah. It was more of oversaturation that happened after Endgame.
@@Ironica82it started with Miss Marvel and Endgame
@@liborsysel2234 I would still say it started after Endgame. There were duds throughout the pre-Endgame movies (Thor 2, Ironman 3, etc.) but it was still one or two movies a year and no tv shows. After Endgame, they started having the tv shows on Disney+ as well as the movies and it just became oversaturated (as well as purely PC focus). Yea, Endgame had the extremely cringey scene during the final battle but that was just for a minute or two.
@@griimrose Cringe
A single episode of She Hulk being $25 mil, $10 mil more than the GoT finale, says everything you need to know about the state of Marvel and Hollywood in general
Yeah I heard one single episode of she hulk was more than the entire production of John Wick and that told me all I needed to know
@@joellezima3506 Why? I didn't see it, and I can't imagine where the money went. CGI is expensive, but still...it's confusing...
@@joefox9875 the CGI itself! The entire show had to be made where the main character is pretty much fully artificially rendered, so like millions to animate every one of her movements. Such a dumb waste of money for such an awful end result
😮Yikes, they were better off making a movie of She Hulk. Not to mention a better story, characters, and plot.
Money laundering
The fact that Marvel got two time Academy Award Winner Mahershala Ali to play Blade which is one of the best casting choice ever then gave him a script where he was not the lead in his own Blade solo movie is one of the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard
SO who is the main character 😂😂
@@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qiAccording to that writer who I can say is no longer part of it I guess is a bunch of ladies giving life lessons. So yeay for diversity? 😂
Heard they thought the name Blade was too offensive so they are renaming it BUTTERKNIFE LOL 😂
What was so surprising? He's male and black. If he was female and had mixed cultural background, they would be on a second trilogy by now.
The infamous "bait and switch". They know what we want, but won't give it for reasons.
Disney has mishandled so many iconic franchises. This is objective fact. A handful of happy Twitter users versus the hundreds of thousands that they drove away does not a feasible fandom make.
The amount of Twitter users who praise mediocrity drives me insane
But Jonathan didn't you know, people like Drinker talking about it instead of doing a Blair Witch Project impression and hoping the problem will somehow magically go away on its own is what's generating money out of the vacuum so that they keep burrning it on sludge content after sludge content...
Brand recognition and China money are the only things keeping Disney alive.
I'll never forgive Disney for uncanonize Star Wars EU (afaik, I could be wrong) and shelving Aliens vs Predator anime
While I do see people in Twitter who have pretty logical and fair takes most of the time… I swear they overhype some of the blandest pieces of entertainment. Loki Season 2 is not that good - I’m standing on that.
I remember some years back while in college, a group of friends and I went to go see Avengers: Age of Ultron. I wasn't that big of a superhero fan, and I don't think any of my friends were either. In fact, at the time I hadn't even seen the first Avengers movie. Nevertheless, my friends had tickets and they invited me so I went. And I'm glad I did. The energy, the magic, the story, the acting, the comedy, everything came together beautifully and to this day, it remains one of the best movie theater experiences I've ever had. Fast forward to today, when I look at clips or previews of upcoming Marvel films, I don't feel that energy or sense of excitement, anymore. That magic, that energy, that excitement, it's all gone.
Age of Ultron sucked ass
Thats just a testament to how good those movies were cause for a while AOU was considered one of the more weaker movies
I had a similar experience watching first Deadpool movie 2016.
When the Avengers was released in 2012, I made an unusual decision to watch it in an expensive 3D theater. It was among the best cinematic experiences I had.
Scarcity inflates value. When movies like Age of Ultron got popular, the executives took that as a que to repeat the same formula in every single project. It cheapens the value of the experience when you can get the MCU experience by watching any of their movies half drunk on a Tuesday night with your hand in your pants on a recliner.
That last line hits home especially when you remember how everyone was so excited for Infinity War and couldn't wait for Endgame afterword's not too long ago too
I remember seeing Endgame on opening night at 3AM, the movie finished whe nthe sun was coming up. The crowd that was there was full of energy and cheering at every epic moment. stomping their feet when cap picked up the hammer, seeing the years of build up pay off. Sadly, i dont think ill ever experience this in another Marvel movie again.
@@bobsag1164liar, Endgame did not start at 3am opening night, or anywhere near that time for that matter
My favorite MCU villain is Ultron. He was on the internet for like 5 seconds and ultimately decided that all humans have to die. I don't blame him.
Ultron has to be one of the most botched villains in the entire MCU (in a sea of horrendous villains). Ultron was meant to be treated like an Endgame level threat, yet the Marvel higher-ups thought it was a good idea to have him be yet another stock Joss Wheaton Villain. He didn’t even add anything to the rest of the story anyways, making him even more forgettable. To see the MCU mishandle one of its most iconic villains is beyond insulting.
@@allenkeettikkal3149Ultron ended up just looking like a clown and the butt of everyone's jokes. Besides the Hulk Vs Ironman scene (which was sick) the movie sucked and nowhere as good as the first Avengers.
@@ChrisZukowski88 I wierdly enjoyed that movie 5 years after it came out considering the age of AI we're in rn. Plus the character development and cinematography wasn't too bad, black widow actually kinda got an emotional proper development arc, something they royally fucked up in her solo movie. The movie aged pretty well in the context of the current Marvel shitshow we've got.
Age of Ultron was bad. Huge step down from the first avengers.
The twins' motivations didn't make any sense anyway. They're mad at the avengers for not caring about collateral damage, and to show just how evil the avengers are they... brainwash the incredible hulk and sick him on a town of innocent people...
What took him so long?
as a woman, I DO NOT FEEL EMPOWERED BY MARVEL. I FEEL EMBARRASSED.
No one with big floppas should be embarrassed.
And pray tell, how do other women feel about *you* exactly?
Oh shut up will you.
I know these virgin simps are gonna come after me now.
Even if Marvel movies were good, why would they make you feel empowered? Batman doesn’t make me feel empowered.
@@faisalmemon285 That's where you differ from these incels. Many of them actually do feel as though watching a superhero fight imaginary bad guys somehow gives them strength. As a former six year old myself, I can relate.
Marvel died with Stan Lee
You have become my favorite new channel. Being the managing editor of a film website, Im so happy that finally someone has called BS on the film industry, particularly Disney. Keep it up!
Are you kidding me? There are dozens, maybe hundreds of right-of-center critics constantly pointing out the industry's every misstep. Critical Drinker is among the best of the best, but hardly alone.
I believe Hollywood now is the problem, as it seems to be stifling new talent and ideas and mostly churns out mindless, ill thought out junk.
Smells like someone was a huge liberal socialist that fed on the woke bullshit on the last decade and now his depression has made him barf.
There are still fantastically written films and shows with strong female and male characters that will appeal to both sexes. You just have to shift through the sh!t. Unfortunately, Disney is only looking for crap stories, execrably written to wrap around female characters no one cares about.
But after watching The Marvels and suffering through the IBS caused by it, I watched 1883 and it restored my faith that there ARE good stories with fantastic writing for strong female/male characters that can co-exist and that both sexes can relate to. I dare anyone to watch the first 4 minutes of Episode 1 of 1883 and not want to find out more about Elsa Dutton's story.
Faith Hill, Tim McGraw and Sam Elliot give outstanding performances with cameos by Tom Hanks and Billy Bob Thornton. But it is Isabel May as 17 year old Elsa that steals the show. She's not a Mary Sue and you watch her character arc and journey as she takes guidance and grows. She is at the heart of not just 1883, but also all the seasons of the shows 1923 and Yellowstone with Harrison Ford and Kevin Costner.
@@willarth9186 only liberal socialists care about gender. You can talk about food stories without having to explicitly being a weak and mediocre libsoc bringing the "great female/male stories" bullshit.
Disney's ability to take multi-billion dollar franchises and run them into the ground is *astounding*
Even more astounding is the fact they've had the Fantastic 4 and X-Men back for YEARS and have yet to do shit with them. Looks like putting some of the most iconic Marvel Properties on the back burner for the sake of B listers and imposters was'nt a good idea. At all.
Even worse, they did it in such a short timespan.
Disney is like the EA of the movie industry
it's amazing what can be accomplished when just a handful of billionaires own 95% of all major media
You can say it's marvelous
Kang losing to a bunch of highly evolved ants will forever be funny😂
Council of Kangs were scared of him. Nah, they should fear the evolved ants instead lol
I think you mean highly evolved socialist ants…
"Pretty smart ants."
Still he lost to 🐜
What else is funny is in Ant man 2 they send Scott to the Quantum realm yet here Janet got scared because Cassie sent a signal. 😂😂
One thing I often hear people say in defense of Kang is "The point isn't that he's a powerful threat on his own, it's that there's a infinite amount of him that'll keep coming". Isn't that just the description of any generic mook? Like, any villain worth his salt will have a functionally unlimited number of mooks that keep on coming. It's like they cut out the idea of having a main villain and just said a bunch of disposable mooks are collectively the main villain because they all happen to be played by the same actor.
Thank you!
Loki's good
We call them adds in games. You go through hundreds of them before you face the "boss". Nobody ever remembers them but we WILL remember the boss. And as you said, Kang....is just an add!
@@behzadmirmozaffari2563 At this point, the Kangs might as well be replaced by common infantry.
It can always be a threat in large numbers.
I don't quite think that will be the point of Kang though. Thanos was a villain that was teased over multiple movies, but was mostly developed in only one, that one being Infinity War. Which is all Thanos really needed.
With Kang they're not so much introducing different mooks, they're developing the character over the guise of his multiple variants. So, when the time comes at the peak of the Mutliverse Saga in the new Avenger movies, Kang as a character will be developed enough where we won't know which variant to trust, or even which Kang will be the big bad. The audience will be navigating the multiple Kangs with the Avengers who will be dealing with them.
...at least I hope thats what they're doing, idk man lol
It’s funny that the last time I watched a video essay ab marvel just a few years ago it was about their cinematic dominance and how DC would never catch up. They dropped the ball enormously after endgame
DC is still 10 times worse tho😂
You almost have to admire Marvel's complete resistance to learning any lessons whatsoever as it plods on.
It's Disney. Old Marvel, before Stan died would never pull this crap. Stan respected his world. Disney does not. I wish the "nerds" could gatekeep and prevent "outsiders" from coming in and ruining amazing characters and stories.
"I don't agree with your position, your logic, your feelings or your intended direction, but I do have to admire your utter commitment to it and in the face of so much empirical evidence to the contrary"
- Planet Earth watching Disney turning into a woke Dubai Porta Potty variant
@@Myst_Eerie_Isle gatekeeping is just bizarre, its all a made-up lore
anyone can declare anything to be non-canon so NOW just perceive hijacked Disney company's MESSAGE as a sub-par fan-fiction / extended rendition of the source material
there
i successfully gatekept MCU
you're welcome
*Lucasfilm entered the chat*
I believe you are talking about the definition of insanity -- Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
When I heard She Hulk cost $25M per episode I knew Disney was too far gone. Utter incompetence
It's amazing that they spent that much money just to show fat women twerking, when crap like that is all over CZcams for free!
They spent $24,500,000 on tampons and catering for the feminist writers...what did they spend the other $500,000 on?
Wait what? That’s freaking insane!
@@yellowmartian most movies you love nowadays are by directors and writers who would also describe themselves as feminist, so weird drag here
@@deniswauchope3788lol, meanwhile HBO there making House of the Dragon with 20 million and it was perfect
I can't believe I was so naive as to think that the multiverse plot lines would be all directly connected, I really thought that the writers of different shows spoke to one another to make a cohesive narrative. Clowns killed the party
Couldve been better
Storylines like superior iron man could happen, one offs, no impact on greater narratives, just focused on telling good stories.
That thing is difficult enough to pull off-and barely succeeds-when the comics themselves go through big crossover events. Fat chance pulling it off cinematically.
@@jeremytitus9519 They got it right the first time, even with the earlier team ups like avengers, civil war etc.
It boggles the mind how they went from creating such incredible movies to such shit ones in such a short amount of time.
They took an award winning multi billion dollar franchise and ran it completely into the ground in less than a few years time. It's remarkable really.
So they're the Joe Biden of movie franchises?
Honestly Disney deserves no credit for the first few phases. Fiege and Marvel already had the MCU mapped out way before Disney bought the company.
It's like Feige and Kennedy are competing with each other to see who can f-ck up more spectacularly.
@@macethorns1168Perfect comparison. The MCU had everything by the end of 2019. Same with Sleepy Joe at the start of 2021 and they both fumbled the bag.
@@ThrobingkcocDisney bought Marvel in 2009 and Iron Man came out in 2008, so they bought it a year after it started so they had control over it for the majority of Phase I and all phases afterwards
Props to Mahersala Ali for sticking to his guns and threaten to leave once he saw how shitty the scripts were rather than kissing Disney's ass like all other leading actors in their films and shows have done in the last few years.
Finally someone who's not willing to let his skills go to waste in favor of following a stupid trend and simping for a corporation that would throw him under the bus at the slightest bit of backlash.
I'll be amazed if that Blade film ever comes out tbh.
This will hopefully set the standard for whenever Disney hires someone who is _not_ a fledgling actor that doesn't _need_ to be in some Marvel or Star Wars thing to further their career.
Man is a fucking Oscar winner who takes the craft seriously. Good for Ali. I can’t believe some people shit on Ed Norton for stepping out when he didn’t want to be associated with the same role through his career.
I like to imagine he said "Some mother fuckers are always trying ice skate up hill..." after reading the script.
@@renji0002on the roast of Bruce Willis, Norton said "his mistake was he wanted a better script”
The actor set to play Blade, was actually a big fan of the original movies and comic, as adamant about doing it right... So it's a good thing he killed whatever they were originally doing with it.
The path might be that in a multiverse, there are infinitely more numbers of people seeking revenge and infinity of them are more powerful than you, so the only solution must be to close the door on infinity, despite the potential it offers.
That could be an entire setup which conveniently would conclude by letting the audience know that stakes are real again because the door to the multiverse is closed forever.
In the process, they could kill/strand/dump inconvenient mistakes they've made with characters that audiences don't like, and it would be thematic.
This is a great idea 👍
I really hope that RDJ and Scarlett Johansson don't agree to come back. I hope they recognize it for the desperation of a dying franchise that it is, recognize that it's beneath them, and stay away. Their deaths mean infinitely more to fans than their returns ever will.
With enougth money maybe, i mean Harryso Ford, hated Han solo even when it was the role making him famous, he return because money, maybe if RDJ, and Scarlet are desperate enougth and need another yate, they will do it, showing characters anre not important is money
@@Krysnha Sad but true. All we true fans can do is hope!
@@KrysnhaNeither is likely. They wrote Stark out because RDJ was too expensive. And ScarJo literally sued them over her last MCU movie
@@LucianDevine sad but true
@@Cuchulainn1984 well is over i guess
It’s a shame what they did to this universe.
DEI and ESG scores are why……
At this point Mahershala Ali should just quit the role if there hasn't been a Blade script that impressed him. Marvel wasted Christian Bale in a Thor parody movie, I couldn't imagine how sad it would be if they waste Ali's talent
@@TheRedKing-I mean it's comic books so there's a lot to draw from. Could've been generally a lot of cool inspired different things but they became too formulaic.
Anyone else seeing all the spam messages in the comments‽ It’s insane and annoying.
The MCU closed with Endgame as far as I'm concerned.
I’m proud to say that the last Marvel material I watched was Endgame. After that movie I decided I was moving on because it was a fitting exit point, and end to the MCU IMO. I see now that it was the right choice
One of my friend did that, and I ar that time asked him, why? And I stopped watching and he continued, and then told me what the fuck is going on, that's when I started watching again and felt like this ain't marvel
I have to wonder whether it's a coincidence that the trend for Marvel movies and TV shows that most people have serious problems with, starting going into production around the time Stan Lee was in his final decline. Perhaps he wasn't just "the cameo guy." We've all given a great deal of credit for Marvel Studios' success to Kevin Feige, but maybe Stan's creative input was a bigger factor than we realized.
It’s almost as if the original creator of these characters had a little too much to say in the final product than we actually thought.
Nothing to do with that. They just didn't have a plan beyond Endgame. They laid out a cohesive plot up until Endgame where they probably planned on ending it altogether but realized that it was too profitable to stop so they're now haphazardly forcing another Saga. Stan Lee could've passed early on in the MCU and it wouldn't have made much of a difference. He could've passed years later than he did and the results would've been the same. This is purely a result of executives wanting to produce more than the writers were prepared for because the films were far too popular to not keep producing them.
For me, Endgame was the finale while Spider-Man far from home, no way home and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 are the epilogue of the story
exactly what i’ve been saying! and i like Hawkeye as a little tribute to a great legacy character. everything else is shit.
I liked Wandavision. Too bad the movie script writers didn't even have time to read what the show script writers were doing and there's barely a coherent character between them.
Exactly!!!
Eerie. I've been saying the same thing myself. Great minds think alike.
Imagine if phase 4 was everything centered around talking about the events before, and after the snap and slowed down the pace to think about the impact it had on the world.
Then phase 5 would be secret invasion instead of having that dog shit show we have.
The biggest thing for me in the article was that up until now, the only test screenings for Marvel projects were for executives and their family members. Did they think they were going to get honest feedback from those test screenings?
so weve all been watching movies approved at the whims of a college sophomore? makes a lot of sense
They not only got dishonest feedback. They got basic low IQ, 1 dimensional, out of touch, fake fan feedback.
I guest at the beginning it wasn't a test and more like a favor to watch exciting movies from the people that worked on them. Now they aren't exciting anymore so probably the family of the executives, and the executives themselves, see as a punishment to watch their own movies.
4:17 i wasn't expecting a Starship Troopers reference here in 2023. What a great time to be alive
Long time watcher, I love your content and the delivery you use. I watch this, after hours and chasers… keep up the brilliance
A "Blade" movie with female leads and life lessons 😂 These people have lost the plot entirely. Is Disney willing to bankrupt themselves by continuing to be stupid? Thanks Drinker.
It's actually very sad. They massacred a Black Superhero, one of the most prominent anti-hero's to ever be born ready (Motherfuka) for the sake of pandering & they literally didn't need to. All they had to do is watch the Trinity again and do it exactly like that, swear words and everything but they fucked it.
Please fact check that info is wrong and was never going to happen that info was just lies🤦🏾♂️
Disney is doing this on purpose so BlackRock can get the best deal. Disney for a dollar..
It's "B-lady, the They woker" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Does Disney own the Blade IP too? Ah shit its Marvel, so yeah eh?
But that's good, Blade should be a transgender mentally challenged person of colour in a wheelchair who fights public buildings without accessible entrances. That's someone I could identify with!
I honestly just want a phase where there's smaller but very important stakes.... I'm exhausted with multiverse world, galaxy, universe ending threats
Movies, TV shows, when I see galaxy threats, etc., it means either the writers are out of ideas,
or the producers are trying to play it safe and stop creative writers.
Either one's a death sentence.
@@veramae4098 i also think a lot of it is they are scared that audiences and Twitter fans would piss and shit themselves if the movies aren't connected in some way or something giant is happening.
Even Black Widow had semi-world ending implications and it was probably the one that needed to be the most low stakes, because I dont believe she reconnected with her family and took down The Red Room by the time of IW and Endgame.
I concur,I wish they could produce another film like Captain America: The Winter Soldier,now that was a terrific film...
X-Men origins: Wolverine is a character story, even the drinker had to accept that it was a good movie.
@@rrmackayI love that movie, grew up watching it. I never really understood all the hate it gets online
Okay, this guy really analyzes and critiques his subjects very well, and sprinkles his repertoire with some genuinely funny nuggets of comedy. I'm impressed! Keeps me coming back for more.
He's an excellent writer, has authored many novels with rock solid plotting. Maybe Disney should hire him.
Cutting from that godawful she-hulk stuff to a puppet vomiting was Kubrickian editing genius!
Apathy sums it up. I used to get worked up over how Star Wars, MCU was being demolished by bad content, bad writing, bad acting, bad messaging... but you can stay angry only for so long and avoiding the content altogether has become the default.
In a relationship, that'd be called abuse. We're just so numb to it now we just take the pain with no emotional response anymore. We just expect it to happen and then get ready for the next beating. We need a restraining order against marvel 😂
Guardians was good and Loki is getting good attention right now they could be on a streak but the Marvels is coming out 😂
If only we could all unite and protest to have Disney let go of the rights to Marvel and Star Wars and if give it give it to companies with a better current track record who will take their time with them even if means only one or two movies a year and no low quality series shows in between.
Yep.
@@evangingerson1271 Even if Loki was the Andor of Marvel, which it isnt, wouldnt save anything, as Andor didnt either.
Hit the nail on the head. I went through all the stages of grief with Disney. Denial: This ain't so bad if you look hard enough. Anger: Don't do this to my favorite characters Disney! Bargaining: If you go back to your roots I'll come back. Depression: This sucks, everything sucks, Disney ruined everything. Acceptance: Disney killed my childhood heroes, but I can still remember what they used to be.
Exactly the same with me
We still have the originals, I just wish they didn't do what they did 😢
All I wanted was a nice little patriotic Peace during COVID something as an honorage to the old world war 2 peices from Years ago, but NOPE instead they put the very birth place of the virus on a pedestal and treated them as if they did nothing wrong, that and the pathetic and disrespectful honorage of the B-17 in the last Jedi was the beginning of the end for me, I will always remember what it once was but I will always say when we look back on this "they did this to themselves" 😞
It's disgusting what they have done, not just to comics, but movies from our childhood. I'm old enough to have seen Star Wars in the theater, and 8 yr old me was forever changed by the experience. Patiently waited for Empire, and was rewarded, same with Jedi, even though the Ewoks were cheesy. But hey, I was getting older and expected more.
Raided temples with Indy, then rode off into the sunset with him and his father; was sad to see them go, but happy with how it ended.
Or so I thought.
I will always treasure the 2 trilogies, and won't even acknowledge what they did afterwards; Crystal Skull and Jar Jar Binks? Nah. I'm good.
At least we have those originals, and the memories of better times.
Demoralization and commmunism 101, get people to accept that their world is crumbling and they can’t do anything about it.
I love your theory at the end of the video. There's seems to be a power struggle inside the Disney heads, hence why everything they release now is so shitty.
I have always said the most damning thing you can give to a media product is your indifference. Not your outrage, not your indignation, but your utter and complete apathy.
Well. Said.
Agreed. Being angry means you still care. When you are indifferent, you've gone beyond caring to a point where it just doesn't matter to you anymore. That's where I am with Marvel now.
No doubt about that.
💯
This works with basically anything really. Ex trying to make you mad for some reason? Don't be mad, get on with your life and be indifferent, that will surely make her mad lmao.
For a woman who demanded the hundreds if not thousands of staff at disney unfollow people, sites, celebs, youtubers etc because they say nasty (true) things about her, what did we all expect.
KK damn well knows she's despised by fans everywhere, yet doesn't even bother to repent.
Kathleen Kartman needs to be distracted with more lunches at Spago.
"Put a chick in it! Make her gay! Make it lame!" is going to haunt that woman.
Kathleen Kennedy runs Marvel in your mind?
She is the CEO of Disney, according to the juice TV cartoon you watched?
How cohencidentally convenient for the juice who are in charge of everything.
@@harbl99 But it wont haunt Bob Iger of course. Who is her boss. And the boss of Marvel. Nor will it haunt any of the other KK's at EA, Games Workshop, Activision, CDPR, Bioware, Blizzard, any of the other movie studios, Netflix, Marvel comics, or just about every other major media company, government agency, education system, etc..?
Or Is Kathleen Kennedy in charge of all those other things as well as being her own boss at Disney while she runs Lucasfilm and Marvel?
I've just watched Talk To Me. Good effort.
You’re right about bringing back the og character’s. As much as I want to see it, RDJ said in an interview that he’s happy with how his story ended, it wouldn’t be exciting when you know the actor is happier to not be there too.
Remember, while Marvel said the trash they were spewing out, it wasn't for you. They blame you for it's problems.
I will say, sometimes the “This product is not marketed to you” argument is fair. I think of Barbie, when a lot of men complained that movie sucked. Well, yeah, it wasn’t targeting men. It was targeting women of all ages.
But the problem with Marvel is you can’t make $300 million dollar films and target certain demographics. Blockbusters we’re always supposed to target all demographics, if you want to make your money back anyway.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124That is true. Barbie has always been for girls.
But when they make what they claim is a girls' movie, as part of a franchise whose main audience is boys and men, that line doesn't hold water.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 you're comparing apples to oranges. it would be like the barbie marketing material saying it wasn't for women but for men instead
sounds like something a "strong independent woman" would do.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 I'm not certain that's true, and you'll notice that the "not made for you" comes after the property receives reasonable criticism. It's almost always a cop-out. A well-made property marketed towards girls should inevitably draw in boys as well, boys who appreciate what it does well, MLP being the obvious example.
Not that they should actively try to "appeal to a wider audience" or anything like that, but very few critics that I know of were saying that barbie was too pink, because that is a criticism that is automatically discarded, it doesn't need to be addressed with scornful identity-based derision of whoever it came from. Almost all reputable critics I have ever heard take into account what a piece of media is TRYING to do.
It’s unfortunate that Disney is ruining Marvel before we get the mutants integrated. That should have been their premier franchise and they’ve messed the bed before even using them.
Yeah, absolutely right... Is a shame we didn't get to see more of the X-Men...
I like how us F4 enjoyers keep getting slept on.
I say good riddance, let the X-men be untainted by disney's marvel mishandling.
I think the X-Men work best in their own universe. It's hard to understand how mutants are hated when individuals with just as much or more power, such as the Hulk and Spiderman, are beloved. With the X-Men and mutant hatred rampant, any metahuman should get automatically lumped in as a mutant.
The best thing that could have happened actually. I don't want a disney version of X-Men. The name alone already triggers them, they would change everything beyond recognition.
100,000% absolutely spot on from start to finish here!!! Well done!
It’s too much like homework. If I’d been interested in The Marvels, I would’ve had to watch how many prior movies and tv shows to be caught up before it came on? And why would we be invested in characters that show up once, aren’t heard from for years, then have a big part in something else?
It's not that the mainstream woke up, it's that they can't deny it anymore.
Excellent observation. At some point, you can't explain away the hazy atmosphere in the dining room as just "steam from the kitchen" and you can't claim the rising temperature is because of a faulty thermostat. Sooner or later, you have to acknowledge the building's on fire and that it's time to head for the exits.
Imagine having 80 years of stories available and not using them ! Imagine calling the very people who buy the product names and telling them to grow up , then taking a gold minting machine , and ruining it in a few short years . I wish I could upward this hard !
I mean, many have been saying for years, you are getting read of those that make the industry big, and important and replace them with people that at long dont care, and is not only marvel, and DC, is videogames, music and more, and now, anime and manga, the moment you bring suits and care more for investment than making a product you are done, and worst not even that, ok you want too make money, make what the costumer wants, worst we are no longer even costumers, you replace with consumers, that buy shit and dont care, but as soon as something grab normies, turist, who are those consumers, you are done, fans loyal fans that care and were with you, see how you dispose of them and now are gone, is sad, but that is how thigns are now
"Kang"? do they consider spelling optional? Diversity, idiocy and more idiocy
As a comics guy Marvel in particular...almost all of those 80 years of comics are trash.
Fiege seems like the brand fan type of person the very type of shill fans that keep these things going.
He doesn't know good Marvel from Bad Marvel and just said use it all.
@@Krysnha It's worse than the Suits, they're always going to do what they do, they'll pay for whatever makes them money regardless of quality, the problem I think is Fiege I don't think he understands comics beyond a superficial brand loyalty level.
He's the "Superfan" type that would today livestream to tiktok every trailer but instead he's the guy in charge, if he didn't green light the shit Marvel wouldn't be losing them money and the suits wouldn't care.
Wasn't there a fable about a "Golden Goose" this sure sounds like it.
We dont' give jumping the shark enough credit/blame. They literally invented time travel to save half the universe, then had a full cast team up to defeat Thanos again. And of course don't seem too interested in exploring the time travel angle anymore, multiverses are so hot right now (allegedly)
The multiverse is a tired trope. Rick & Morty did the best job exploring it, but even they’ve worn it out.
The fact that Variety would run a devastating piece like this shows how much clout Marvel has lost within the entertainment-media complex. They're no longer generating the multiple billion-dollar layups every year that allowed them to dominate the narrative in the access media. The cracks are now visible and the trades might be the first rats to flee the sinking ship.
Yeah, and it's pretty significant that it's Variety in particular. I mean, they still carry a torch for Rings of Power, long after many others in the media have given up pretending it's great.
The only reason Variety had the balls to publish that article was because of South Park's episode making fun of Disney and their wokeness and the success that episode had. They just followed the path opened by Trey Parker and Matt Stone. All mainstrean media outlets are run by spineless normies who care more about their petty careers than pointing out the king having no clothes.
The MCU be like: "Mr. Feige, I don't feel so good."
Mr Feige : "I missed the part, where's that my problem?"
Haha nice.
Mr Feige: "Good. That's normal after a long night of *[CENSORED]* - but that's par for the course here in Hollywood. Here's a doctor who will give you a prescription for some ointment."
The Message. Well timed shot.
In full honesty, I actually liked the first few shows they rolled out like Loki and wandavision. They had interesting plots and characters that weren’t 100% predictable, nor were they really pushing a political agenda. It started going far downward sometime around ms marvel imo. But that’s my opinion
Loki is the only good series marvel has put out(sylvie is the real annoying af Villian ngl) Wandavision was 7.5/10 just because it had all the usual tropes though the documentary style was unique. I didn't even bother to watch anyother series just watched their recaps.
I loved Wandavision and like Loki. Ive not really watched any of the other new Marvel series because they either didn’t sound interesting or got bad reviews. I had Interest in Secret Invasion but heard similar negative stuff so just left it. Might watch it still to make up my own mind. All in all its just sad how indifferent I now feel towards Marvel after being hyped through all those years leading up to Endgame.
I agree. The shows were good at first cause Loki showed how a villain can become a hero while wandavision showed the whole “Either for a hero or live long enough to become a villain” idea
I think Wandavision was a cute homage to sitcoms, decade by decade. But, having her be the main villain in Dr Strange 2 ruined Wandavision. You can't give her a redemption arc then say "just kidding. She didn't really take responsibility, she is now selfish and evil."
The girl power scene in endgame was the beginning of the end-it signaled a willingness to disrupt true storytelling in favor pointless virtue signaling, and sure enough, here we are
So true….. it felt SO forced
Honestly it ended with spiderman no way home 😪
@@GalaxyOfBoltzFierced /s
Cringe scene.
Yes. That was a terrible and pointless scene. Had it been a mix of heroes, male and female, it could have been a powerful scene instead. But, alas, there it was and here we are.
I love how MCU back then was used as great standards for film studies, now they're used as examples on what to avoid when making such movies.
They're treating the IP like their comic books, except comics were cheaper to produce and didn't require everyone to buy them to sustain them. Now even comics have fallen for the overbudgeted hype.
The pendulum swung fast
Phase 1
They’re good in minuscule amounts. Binge the og movies and they’re abysmal
I don't think ANY film maker was praising the MCU as peak cinema. Because it really wasn't. Remember the Scorsese criticisms that all the MCU fanboys/fangirls were screaming about? Remember how not a single MCU movie got nominated for awards? Because everyone knew MCU movies were formulaic, capitalist garbage that had no chance of being a good movie on its own. The only thing that kept Phase 1-3 enjoyable was the good actors, the most popular MCU characters being represented, and actually coherent writing. Also, it was just new and fresh at the time, so people didn't mind the formula. If you go back and watch Phase 1 now, pretty sure you won't have as high as an opinion as you once did.
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I actually wouldn't mind seeing RDJ in the iron Man role again. Now I don't want to see it anytime soon. But it would be kind of cool to see a prequel highlighting some events that may have been overlooked in the previous phases.
Edit: It would have to be a prequel though. Not some AI technology that's about to upload Tony Starks brain to a human-like suit. Which is probably the route that would be taken so he could be in the modern MCU
Does anyone remember when Marvel was sinking down into bankruptcy and what ultimately saved Marvel was basically starting from scratch?
They’ve hit their DCEU era of every project being trash.. if the DCU ends up being amazing that’d be hilarious
What saved them was creating movies about classic characters that were accurate to the popular and beloved portrayals of them from the comics. They did that and established a fanbase that paid enough for them to pay back the bank loans and have enough left over to go even bigger... and that massive success gave them the confidence to think that they could do anything and still make a fortune, so they started using the comics to Beta test their Ne-Marxist "re-imaginings/replacements" of classic characters, with the goal of phasing out the beloved characters in the movies and replacing them with the SJW comics versions, which they did and are doing. The audience stuck with them as expected for a few of the new SJW garbage versions... but now that is changing and the execs are realizing that the audience aren't as stupid and brainwashed as they thought, and calling them racist/sexist/homophobic bigots actually DOESN'T work to discredit their legitimate criicisms and make the public keep buying tickets... so they are panicking HARD.
I remember Marvel was sinking down into bankruptcy, but nothing ever saved them. It's like trying to save the Titanic TWO HOURS AFTER hitting the giant iceberg.
My favorite Marvel period was when Shooter was Editor and Cheif. The 90's were ok but nothing beats the 70's and 80's. That was peak Marvel.
Yea,in the 90's DC almost bought them! then came Blade,then SPIDERMAN, Ironman...
You are right. They had another good 10 years of story telling but that extra funding for propagating the message must have been more important than the fans (i.e. customers)
Shame I was making a thing of going to see every Marval Movie in the cinema but then The Eternals and I knew that was going to suck so didn't go see it. Then She Hulk, Loki, Wonder vision, Secret invention and the rest I forgot dont want to see them. First Marvel movie I skipped, because I could not understand her power, seemed stupid, and this new movie looks even more stupid.
If they really stuck the landing for secret wars as well as infinity war and introduced the X-men and FF without any message laden plot, or the haze of Phase 4, it could have been glorious.
They put the message first before the story, plot, and characters. Disney/ Marvel could've had another ten year plan, if they had taken a break on the big screen.
Just rewatched the Avengers Infinity War trailer after five years and omg its still legendary that i got chills 🥶🥶❄️❄️👑👑
There are still fantastically written films and shows with strong female and male characters that will appeal to both sexes. You just have to shift through the sh!t. Unfortunately, Disney is only looking for crap stories, execrably written to wrap around female characters no one cares about.
But after watching The Marvels and suffering through the IBS caused by it, I watched 1883 and it restored my faith that there ARE good stories with fantastic writing for strong female/male characters that can co-exist and that both sexes can relate to. I dare anyone to watch the first 4 minutes of Episode 1 of 1883 and not want to find out more about Elsa Dutton's story.
Faith Hill, Tim McGraw and Sam Elliot give outstanding performances with cameos by Tom Hanks and Billy Bob Thornton. But it is Isabel May as 17 year old Elsa that steals the show. She's not a Mary Sue and you watch her character arc and journey as she takes guidance and grows. She is at the heart of not just 1883, but also all the seasons of the shows 1923 and Yellowstone with Harrison Ford and Kevin Costner.
Thank you for not contaminating blade.
If you ask me, their biggest misunderstanding (comic book creators included) is giving a different character the "ironman" or "cpt. America name" and thinking the character will be a success, without realising that the popular character is Tony Stark and Steve Rogers and not a mantle they can pass on.
When Anthony Mackie said it was "Falcon and Cap who puts butts in seats, not Mackie and Evans", he was right and wrong. He was wrong in the sense that the public loved him as Falcon. He made that character great. He was right because it is Disney that sees him as imminently replaceable.
They've done this way every hero at this point. It's so manipulative and desperate. Think back to your favorite stories about your favorite heroes. How many of those stories were origin stories? Why are those so popular? Because they show the PERSON becoming the hero. The audience liked the PERSON first. With these race and gender swapped versions, the audience is expected to let their affection for the hero control how they perceive the person behind the mask. But most of the new people behind the masks are insufferable.
The franchise might've worked as a revolving door cast. As actors came and went new blood would be introduced in their origin movies (which would be mid-budget affairs), and be brought together every few years in Avengers movies, which would be the big event blockbusters with huge budgets. Keep out the worst excesses of the comics (which they've now fallen for), and remember that films are entertainment first and propaganda/parables second. Unfortunately they botched it. And for God sakes it wouldn't have hurt for villains to occasionally survive a movie or two so that a character besides Loki could be reused.
Woah preach. You said it perfectly.
Legacy characters _have_ been done well. But they have to be an actual character, and they _should_ be a legacy. You could tell a fun story about a Ms. Williams who copied (at least superficially) Stark's power armor and made herself a replacement Iron Man. There is potential there, especially if her tech forces her to handle threats differently than Tony did. Also especially if she's hiding behind the Iron Man persona, as interpreted by her, for whatever reason, which makes a nice contrast to Tony announcing Iron Man's identity to the world.
And now I'm writing the outline to a story in my head, but that's mostly besides the point so I'll stop.
Speaking of a villain with endless entities in the multiverse... Have you ever seen Jet Li in The One? They work the same concept, except when one dies, the other versions of him get stronger.
And that ending fight scene....legendary
Never heard of it
a movie before its time
That was my thought exactly. If they did something like this with Kang, it would have a potential. Like within lets say a storyline of 5-6 years we get the Ultimate Kang and the heroes have to gather and fight him. That would be a good idea.
My name is Yu Law! And I'm nobody's Bitch!
Ironically, bringing back the dead characters is the most canonical comic book thing the MCU had done lol.
They called me a madman for saying that launching the multiverse so soon would be a terrible idea. I was right.
I used to want this to turnaround and improve, but after they double downed, I now want them to go out of business.
How many times can people be told they’re hated and still come back for more?
@@GalaxyOfBoltz They think they are appealing to this fictional thing they call "general movie goer". They think these people are just regular normies who are completely ignorant of the pandering and will internalize their wokeness. I think they are finding out people are smarter than they think they are.
Deadpool 3 is gonna suck, Thundercrack is gonna suck, Blade Runner is gonna suck, Captain America is gonna suck
I know this feeling all too well. It's like you explain to someone again and again that their actions will lead to failure but they just keep insisting their way is better. Finally you just go "fuck it" and leave them to learn the hard way
@@Us3r739Why is Deadpool gonna fail?
Something that you don't really touch on is the monetary losses.
The reason everyone is agreeing with us now is because Disney's failure is self-evident. Their big tentpole movies aren't financially viable anymore.
I don't think Disney ever really cared about quality when they were still making boatloads of money.
But this is how Disney changes.
Not because of quality or ideological backlash, but because of shareholders.
It was always only about the money.
Who knows, maybe something good will come out of this eventually, like another Disney renaissance - and the cycle repeats.
i wonder why it took then long enough until theyre at the bottom of their fall.
goes to show theyre not letting go of their woke culture and will repeat it again once their back on their feet.
Barbie was a clear recent indicator that thier strategy was wrong. Women tell you with their dollars what they want and here Marvel is trying to appeal to them by infecting terribly written characters into a genre they have no interest in at the expense if of the established fan base. Now nobody cares.
Or how Ppl like kang and Rick and Morty v actor get fired before court. Ezra Miller can do anything he wants. What does Ezra have on one of these powerful ppl.
Well thing is if you don't put out certain quality eventually it's gonna go to shit and your money too
Making a point out of monetary losses doesn't really matter in the case of Disney/Marvel because disney (at least on the marvel side) is infamous for cooking the books, and inflating their movies own worth.
Remember the captain Marvel controversy in that Disney was handing out free Captain Marvel tickets left, right, and center? The numerous stories and videoes of completely Empty theaters when online they were "totally sold out"
The only reason *why* it matters now is because this has been a long streak of losses coming. Cooking the books to either "not lose profits" or "stay out of the black" isn't as easy to do when you are doing it 5+ years in a row, rather then on one massive bomb of a film in a streak of decently profitable films.
That's the problem with the majority of things nowadays big entities including social media value cranking out massive amounts of content and updates add new things to their apps instead of making it good or enjoyable for what people originally got involved with the apps or projects or movies
Its all about How can we chase the most current trend and maximize every dollar at the cost of quality
Nuff said... Indeed.
One thing that makes me more devastated is that they also mention how they're considering scrapping Kang altogether and replacing him with Dr. Doom. Not because I care about Kang, but because I care about Doom, and haphazardly dropping him into the middle of a storyline that has nothing to do with him with no proper buildup would breed nothing but disaster, and would ruin Doom's reputation with audiences due to him not having any particularly good adaptations beforehand
Nope. They never got Doom right. It always provoked me to the nth degree. It's all laid out in the comics, yet they still miss.
Yes you right !! throwing Doom out of nowhere would lazy and wrong ! without any proper built up !
The High Evolutionary is Kang's natural replacement. Creepy, powerful, but not so powerful we need an entire connected universe to contain him, and brilliantly acted. Plus, he punches puppies.
@@amidworkin Didn't The High Evolutionary die in GotG 3?
@@louisduarte8763 Didn't Fury die?
Your telling me you don't think someone with the title "high evolutionary" can come back from death when the ones who dealt with him were the Guardians of all people?
Honestly, a Kathleen vs. Kevin slap fight would be the most entertaining thing either of them have ever done.
It would shatter her illusion of girl power ....and a few of her bones.
The annoying thing about the council of ricks... i mean kangs.. is how they make a super villian a super fan of himself
I was waiting for your rants, I mean wisdoms about this finale.
The situation at Disney is far from unfixable. Iger and Kennedy just aren't the people to fix it because that would mean accepting that there needs to be a hard reset on almost every franchise they have.
IMO the way to fix Marvel is to downscale the content for a year, then come in swinging with X-Men and the Fantastic Four, bringing a slew of recognizable characters to be the new face of the franchise, sending all the current players to support roles except maybe a few stand outs like Spider-Man and Dr. Strange.
THAT is their chance to reboot. THAT is their chance to recover. Not bringing back dead characters.
IMO the way to fix Marvel is to downscale the content for a year, then come in swinging with X-Men and the Fantastic Four, bringing a slew of recognizable characters to be the new face of the franchise, sending all the current players to support roles except maybe a few stand outs like Spider-Man and Dr. Strange.
THAT is their chance to reboot. THAT is their chance to recover. Not bringing back dead characters.
The big problem is that they pretty much own every franchise their is. Even the Aliens Franchise they own and Gawd damn doesn't that suck
Disney is fixable, alright.
Iger's and Kennedy's narcissism, complete lack of introspection and their lack of responsibility are far beyond repair.
Precisely, fixing it is easy but doing so would be to prove us right and they are too deep into the ESG hole to agree with the "far right extremists".
I think they will simply double down on everything that is wrong because they rather let it all collapse than do something we like.
Excellent analysis as always. I teach business management classes and the fall of Disney/Marvel will be the juicy case study for the next 10-15 years. A big thanks to the management team at Disney for providing so much material. Although, it is the same story of failure that was available to them BEFORE they did all this. Shame on them for not paying attention and learning from other's mistakes. 😞
You can write entire textbook about Disney's business record of all these franchises they've ruined.
I remember reading those stories and having to write papers on them when I was getting my master's degree. The fall of Disney will make a good one!
Moreover, the case study should be about hiring a bunch of commies as corporate executives and subsequently wondering why everything went straight to hell from there.
I wonder what your take on it would be because I highly doubt anyone in the comments (including you) know what it is. I rarely read anything beyond hashtag logic in the comments.
The woke mind virus will hopefully be something future generations are taught to avoid
6:10 guy getting hit by the shield in a different show made me giggle
9:30 THE MESSAGE!
I'd love to see Drinker's reaction to the final The Marvels trailer. What a crazy shift in tone, and using Thanos/Endgame footage to drum up the nostalgia bait. Holy shit it is going to be awful.
If Marvel seriously tries to pull a “Episode 9 Palpatine” it’s going to kill everything for me related to Disney as a whole. I can’t even play “Jedi: Survivor” without thinking “Gosh I hate how my childhood has been tainted. Why can’t they just tell a story like this does?”
This just in Thanos from another earth kills off the Kangs with his army and is running loose with an evil ultron and Scarlet Witch on his side.
"Somehow Tony Stark returned."
@@minespatch God! I really hope they don't do this
2:30 "Remember, when Cap and Iron Man fought each other in Civil War .... And the fate of the entire universe wasn't at stake, it still meant a lot? ...That was nice"
I remember watching Logan and then X-Men Apocalypse back to back, and realizing this. I loved Logan, and the "stakes" was Wolverine trying to stay alive and save a girl. I didn't like Apocalypse; even though the stakes was saving the entire planet. I realized that the size of the stakes has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the film.
Logan had one of the best send off's. But even he's alive again with Dead pool 3.
Even "Days Of Future Past" was so much more personal and emotional. The past and present versions of the heroes struggled immensely in their respective eras to erase a destructive timeline and create a positive new version of history.
@@christopherregan1654 Also because the way to "save the world" was just to become better people and help one another, rather than beating some Big Bad. It's just a really good movie and message, without having to spell it out and be all in your face about it.
Beautifully put!
Hey, Marvel!
ADAPT THE COMICS.
How can you POSSIBLY be running out of ideas?
They literally did what made the comics put off a lot of people - convulted storylines, bad writing, unimaginative plots and cookie-cutter characters that never experience any real progress/change and just stay the same.
The only thing that could save them is a paradigm shift and literally firing all their dumb woke writers and actually using skilled writers who won't prioritize pandering to the smallest subsections of their audience.
facts
That won't save them at all, woke =/= broke. The reception of a movie is based on its audience, woke only equals broke when the audience consists of a majority of conservatives. What they need to do is focus mainly on big IPs like fantastic four and spider man to help shape the upcoming multiverse plot and focus less on characters nobody's ever heard of (seriously, who's Ms Marvel!??!)
Focusing on the 'multiverse' is the dumbest thing ever, I know no one in real life who enjoys those plots. Time travel and the multiverse are the tools used when you have no creativity and imagination, the last of your brain cells completely dead so you resort to those concepts for some easy claps from an audience that just likes moving pictures and shares those same brain cells @@QUBIQUBED
Very well summarized !
@QUBIQUBED wokeness doesn't just bother conservatives it bothers just about anyone with two brain cells to rub together. Woke is a religion of lies. Every part of it starts with a truth, and then actively searches for anyone speaking that truth to berate them and force them to agree with whatever lie they have concocted to explain the truth away.
"One person familiar with the script permutations says the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons. Blade was relegated to the fourth lead, a bizarre idea considering that the studio had two-time Oscar winner Ali on board." I couldn't stop laughing!
May Stan Lee forever rest in peace and thank you for gift and hope of hero’s
Personally, I think the MCU is suffering from the same thing the source material does: years of continuity that makes it tiresome for newcomers to catch up and enjoy. Two or three movies per year was perfectly doable for the general public. Now it's multiple movies and Disney Plus series just to know what the hell is going on.
This is true, but this is only *one* of the factors that have led to its downfall
Yes, this is one contributing factor .
Yeah it was smart marketing to tie all of the movies together when they were doing 2 or maybe 3 a year. Now that there's 20 movies out it's just exhausting.
The problem is more investment than anything. The MCU has reached the same problem of the DCEU, where trying to create the spectacle is more important the making the characters relatable. The 'Big 3' (Captain America, Iron Man, and Black Widow) were the most liked of the group and all three left. But, there aren't many characters left to get anybody invested in thing moving past Endgame. That's why we keep seeing the multiverse brought in so we get tons of versions of a single character because trying to write depth with one version of that character is harder than putting a bunch of them in silly outfits.
There are still a lot of people willing to give the MCU a shot. They do the same thing we all did: watch from the beginning. They get invested in the same characters we did and then get disappointed when the main trio go away and there's nobody left to have fun with.
The thing is, they could have made that work by actually establishing new characters the same way they did the original Avengers. Take Spider-man, for example. While it has plenty of references and cameos to the Infinity Saga, you don't actually need to watch any of them to understand the core plot. Sure, you might be a little confused about the multverse stuff but the characters, plot and story are all the central focus. Instead of tightening up on that aspect for future movies they went the exact opposite and made it so if you hadn't seen a good chunk of the MCU, you'd be completely lost.
What really separates good writers, our old Marvel writers, and bad writers, the new ones, is that good writers understand that mantles can't be passed. You cannot give Captain Marvel Thor's reputation. You cannot give her Thor's adoration. You cannot give Falcon Captain America's respect. These things must be earned at an individual level, and every time you change characters, you have to earn them over again. Bad writers assume that by handing Thor's hammer to a woman, people will automatically love that woman as much as Thor. Hell, she IS Thor, right? Thor is the one with the hammer! Wrong. Thor is the one people love, and love can't be handed off.
I think the absolute best example of this being done right is Miles Morales Spider-man. He's his own character with his own backstory who doesn't replace the old character in any way. He just happens to possess similar abilities, and thus, takes on the same title. I really liked him in both Spiderverse and the Insomniac games.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, you've got characters like Jane Foster Thor. She's not her own character, she stole Thor's backstory, and is meant to replace Thor in the movies. She stole his abilities, but somehow magically became better at using them than him. She even tries to one up his title by calling herself Mighty Thor instead of just Thor. I thought basically nothing of her for most of her appearances, and hated her in Love and Thunder.
We need more characters that are built with purpose from the ground up. If you want that character to inherit a title and abilities from another, that's fine. So long as you put in the work to have it happen naturally.
Absolutely based comment and very pleased that Thor was the primary example given that Disney have reduced him to a bumbling, vapid, room temperature IQ moron who risks a pratfall every couple of minutes, and they did it in just one movie.
@@ClashBluelight Honestly Miles Morales is such a perfect embodiment of SOO many things. Representation especially. Miles is mixed (black), he has life experiences and a culture so many black/mixed folk can relate to, and yet it feels natural. It doesn't feel forced. It's just another basic part of his character, its not the key focus but it is there.
It annoys me when movies include minority characters but spend half of the runtime "educating" the audience. A character is black, so they spend 50 minutes explaining black culture. Or a character is bi, so they spend 30 minutes explaining sexuality and showcasing bisexuality in the most cringe way ever. Just examples but i cant stand it!!!
I like it when movies show the unique life experiences that may come with being a minority, because they do exist. But it shouldnt be the key focus. If you have a bi character, them being attracted to both girls and boys shouldnt be a big deal. you know!!
Good writers existed, They went through WW II... Or heard about it a lot.
@@ClashBluelightWatch that change, they've been setting up a long time narrative with all things Miles, they're going to try and permanently replace Peter with Miles.
They've been threading the idea that "anyone can be Spider-man" with the introduction of the Spider-verse comic and it was the central theme of the Miles movie.
They're doing it in the comics too, they've had 3 Spider-man (Peter, Miles and Ben, now Peter, Miles and Kurt Wagner...yes that one) at least running around at once for the last 2 or so years, they have an "original Spider-man" now that's not Peter it's an African guy.
Seems even the point of the Spider-man games now it's an arc to have Peter killed off and Miles take over.
"With budgets like these, you need home runs."
That, above all else, explains it. Hollywood used to be good at budgeting in the 80s, but now producers are siphoning all their short term gains from budgets. Oh well. Corporations be corporatin'.
Man I can’t think of a movie I’ve enjoyed since Venom 2. I really liked Morbius (what it’s one of my favorite characters and I liked the graphics idea) but besides that I haven’t liked a Marvel movie since the two 2016 ones (how could they do my boy Quicksilver like that). I was looking forward to Kraven (my favorite character and looks like a cool concept) until it got delayed and I heard the new venom was canceled? How is that going to happen after SheHulk? For Plus Series, I really enjoyed Moonknight, Loki and Secret Invasion (besides the final fight).
TLDR: Yeah they fumbled to the point they made the QB not even through the ball in the right direction, literally threw it to his own end zone.
I just don't understand how with decades of amazing source material they continue to screw things up. Instead of pandering to a decades old, generation spanning and multi millions strong fan base, they've decided to work in tandem with other large corporations to try to completely shift the fan base paradigm all together. In the words of the always should be late Tony Stark "Not a great plan".
It blows my mind. All they have to do is rely on the source material and make honest live-action renditions.
They only wanted to use the IPs as a vehicle to spread their status quo ideology but got carried away and crashed their vehicle. They thought they were perfectly savvy but fumbled their bag. Or maybe they want to tank the IPs, or rather drastically change the culture to where there's nothing that's loved to make a void and fill it with their hegimony. Entertainment is now a sacrificial lamb for tyranny.
By this point, they've got decades of crap (but lauded for *The Message)* source material, too, and they ran full speed towards that crap. And usually managed to make it worse in adaptation.
I gave a chance to the saga of Gorr the god butcher, it was very fine I think, considering it was written in current "if-you-don't-like-my-poitics-don't-buy-my-books" Marvel Even adapting that relatively successful arc Marvel got a way to translate it into an unwatchable movie, I abhor the idea of them adapting the classics of previous decades. Larry Fink should be the one watching them because I guess the money he takes from pensioners is the only one Disney wants.
Additionally, I heard that the VFX team at Marvel/Disney are unionizing as we speak. I looked into their average pay and working conditions in more detail, and it's absolutely disgusting. Their union is another massive punch to Marvel too...
A writers strike, an actor's strike and now a potential VFX workers strike? Hahahahahahahahaahaha! Hollywood imploding is one of the funniest things I've seen in my life.
@@Theendman42 For real💀💀
I don't support the writers and actors, but I would support the VFX artists.
Disgusting because they're underpaid or overpaid? It's not clear from this comment lol
Aren't vfx the fieldworkers on the studio plantation?
I thoroughly enjoyed the Starship troopers insert.
5:39 Ironically, in this other case, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania actually pushed the female hero of Hope Van Dyne into the background more so than the male hero Scott Lang, whose likable personality is still mostly intact and he is still a big part of the story. The other preachy female hero in question is a Cassie Lang imposter who replaced the nicer teenage Cassie from Avengers: Endgame, when Emma Fuhrmann and her older sister Isabella Fuhrmann look much more like grown-up Abby Ryder Fortson than Kathryn Newton. Kang the Conqueror as a character and the plot of Quantumania built around him both raised the stakes so unfathomably high for the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse, that it gives people who liked the earlier two Ant-Man films another good reason to get upset. The other two Ant-Man films had a unique identity that made them sort of worth watching because they added more variety to the Marvel Cinematic Universe by having lower stakes than what we see in the Avengers movies (solo Avenger movies included) and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. This also applies to two Spider-Man Home films, and now I like the irony of how the Spider-Man threequel that pulled in old actors from Spider-Man films outside the Marvel Cinematic Universe, had a better story and a more successful box office run than the Ant-Man threequel that was meant to be more relevant to the greater story of The Multiverse Saga. Perhaps it is because the third Spider-Man-Home movie and the third Guardians of the Galaxy movie cared more about building another good story around their own characters that the earlier two films built up, than to lean too far into an overarching villain who alleviates all stakes and tension he may have had when we first saw him in Loki, because there are infinite versions of him to serve as backups when one of Kang, or one thousand of Kang gets killed off. This is why it does not surprise me when Phase 5 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, now has to phase out their initial plans for Captain Marvel and Kang the Conqueror to be the new tentpole hero and tentpole villain of The Multiverse Saga, not just because their actors have proven to be controversial figures this year, but because the characters were much too powerful and tensionless for anyone to care about them, which was a big factor among several factors that contributed to the box office failure of Quantumania and The Marvels. November 11, 2023, 2:27am
I like how the media gives honest opinions that are not popular only when those opinions are now impossible to hide
I guess someone finally pointed out that the emperor has no clothes
"An empire attacked from outside can rebuild, but one rotten from the inside is dead, completely and utterly." Someone said something like that, it felt appropiate.
Yeah. Ironically, it was said by Baron Zemo, the villain of Civil War.
What you said about "The Marvels" for me basically describes every single fucking superhero-movie ever made.
I’m mad they killed off Tony even if they did it in a fabulous way that brought full closure to his character arc from rich boy selfishness to selfless savior.
But the only place he should be brought back is in low distribution fanfic where ideas can be enjoyed but not destroy what was done well.
My stages of MCU fandom:
Phase 1: Moderate fan
Phase 2: Huge fan
Phase 3: Huge fan
Phase 4: Moderate fan
Phase 5: No longer invested
It only takes a few years to kill off a fan base
You was a patient person
Giving phase 4 any attention was a huge mistake.
@@NicholasCosti True. Star Wars killed things at a much faster pace than the MCU has. I still haven't seen the 3rd one in the trilogy. Rogue One was the only one I enjoyed of the new films. I have no interest in the new Indiana Jones film, the live-action classics or anything else they're putting out. People now associate their brand with wokeness. The damage is done.
For me
Ph1-3: Huge fan
Ph4-5: um, why aren't you taking a break.
@@normadgarmez7026 True. I suppose I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt after a few clunkers during the pandemic.. but now it's just been too many doozies in a row.