Oh, 700+ fps is still considered as low speed with airgun! I did not know that. In Sweden the strongest license free air gun is about 460fps with 15,4 grain pellet. The result with that speed would be interesting to see.
Very informative video - I would like to seen the same test for the those exact slugs also done at double the fpe ie 52-55fpe to see the difference in expansion.I shot my first knockouts at 32fpe with no expnsion. Now I shoot them at approx 56fpe and boy do they whack and mushroom exceptionally well. Same slug, 2 speeds = totally different results.
What's up bro?! Sorry it took me till now to watch your video, but I've had a bunch of crap going on lately! I was thinking about this video, & it was a great idea to do the low power & high power tests separately! I think this video will help a lot of people! ...I might be wrong about this, but I think more people out there are using budget pcps or break barrels, shooting at lower velocities.
@GotDave?- No worries man! Thanks for commenting all the time! I agree with your thinking about most people having lower powered rifles. I will do the same type of test in .25 and .30 cal. It’s supposed to snow almost 2 feet tonight and tomorrow so I won’t get to the high velocity video for another week, but I’m excited to see how the slugs and pellets perform in the gel at high velocities!
GotDave? I TOTALLY agree with your Assessment sir! I used to be budget minded too but I finally saved enough to get a Maverick so this is ALL very helpful!
@donham512- Thanks for leaving a comment! It is costly to experiment with ammo! It’s nice to have a bit of info starting out when making a decision on what to shoot!
Interesting , so I would use the slugs with least expansion on coyote head shots. The softer full expansion slugs on behind the shoulder for a lung shot. The pellet test the least expansion would be good on bone to trigger expansion, the high expansion on soft small target so less pass through for background safety.
@Roger Armendariz- Great use of the info and your statement is well put! The softer the ammo the better for small game and the harder the slugs the better for penetrating skulls or meat to get to the heart 👍🏻
@Brian Trujillo- They are hard to beat! They are a great expanding slug at all velocities! In the next test I’ll be shooting them at about 1015fps ! Thanks for commenting!
I could be wrong, but at lower speeds the 2 slugs that expand the most are also the most expensive. ?? But some slugs are more accurate at higher speeds and also perform better with more fpe. Another issue is what diameter slug performs best in your barrel?? If that's not enough there are a large quantity of different weights to choose from. Awesome testing. Lots of info. Very nice 👌👍
@Stedy One- you are half correct on the price, the VKs cost as much as the hybrids. The javelins are twice the value of both- 200 slugs for $18. You are correct with the slug size in regards to the barrel. Lots of options in .22 cal
@Nick Meinert- Thanks bud! I appreciate the feedback. It is time consuming to get the test done right, but the results are worth the effort! Thanks for support and thanks for taking the time to leave a comment 🙏🏻
@David Richards- Thanks! It does take a lot of setup and editing but in the end the information that comes from it is very helpful to some! I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment, it makes it worth it knowing people find it helpful!
Awesome video brother varmint knockers are the best for dumbing all your energy in a animal in my opinion 👍 great job man ...some slugs almost went all the way through i like softer lead slugs thanks for sharing bsafe
@Sam Houston- Thanks, I tried to put some though into it before I went through the process! I’m looking forward to the .25 cal test. I am expecting snow here tomorrow, and once that clears up I’ll finish up the .22 cal high velocity testing and then on to .25 and .30
Love the ballistic gel test, would love to get my hands on the varmint knockers, the Javelins performed the best in my clay tests, I was hitting a bit harder with the higher velocity so it is brilliant to see them perform as good on low velocity, the KO's were the 2nd best at high speed. +- 900 fps to 950fps. Very interesting indeed. How is the accuracy on the Varmint knockers?
@Aim Small- Thanks! I have had great success with accuracy using the Varmint Knockers. I use the 700mm slug liner A and in my Wildcat and I shoot them at 1015 fps. They will group sub moa at 100 yards and the farthest kill was at 176 yards on a prarie dog and I got it on camera! I really like the Javelins too, and they are a bit cheaper than the Varmint Knockers. With the Varmint Knockers, only the 22 gr has the extra large hollow point and with the Javelins there are a few more options with weight. I watched your clay testing and I enjoyed it! It looked like there was a lot of effort that went into it! I like the style of your videos and they way you edit them, great job and I have been watching your channel for months.
I am getting ready to start a series called”The Blind” where I test different air guns and ammo and will use a new system I have invented to recycle pellets and slug lead back into cupped or non cupped slugs with the ability to choose custom weights and hollow point diameter and depth. I will be showing the system in the series and putting my cast ammo against popular and widely used pellets and slugs on the market as the baseline. If enough Interest develops I might offer to the airgun community. It saves a ton of money and just makes sense. I hope you will come visit me in the blind and see what I have to share.
@Sam Houston- That sounds pretty interesting. With all the ammo choices available now, I thing there’s a lot of air gunners who want to see the difference in performance between them all. Sounds like something I’d watch 👍🏻 When demonstrating ammo in a heads up comparison, the results speak for them self! Are you the one that shot the elk with the .30 Impact?
@@dangolwinner no I just shoot paper and Gel as soon as it arrives Maybe hunting/pesting some day. More testing is needed 😂. I think I like the testing part. I think the system will impress all calibers except.177 I haven’t done any r&d on them but for myself I have hybrid style all the way up to .357 for my impact and round nose in all except .177 that shoot great. I will use what is commercially available to show the accuracy then compare. I plan on ordering a .177 barrel for impact but it’s still a ways out on the priority list. Can’t wait for some input!!
Thank you very much my friend I love your videos, they are super helpful. Where can I buy the varmint knocker slugs and the javelins? Any links will help please. 👊🏻
I wonder if there is a difference between swaged slugs v mould slugs as the the difference in the density of the lead ie molten v pounded/forged... I could just be over thinking it or maybe softer pellets expand more than alloyed lead
Wow Daniel! Loved it. No one can deny those results you showed in order to make an informed decision based on their needs. Excellent work (hell of a lot of it too)! Thank you and I will be ordering some cases. Can you make some for .308?
@Bret Lawson- Thanks Bret! I appreciate the comments! If you send me the length of the ammo I could make a container for them. Shoot me an email with some specs and I’ll get it going 👍🏻
Would still like to see the FPE at POI at least for the Varmint Knockers and the Hades Right. Now I am convinced Poly or Hades under 50 yds Varmint Knockers over 50
@Tbuggey- I had planned to shoot with the labradar again but it ended up snowing. If you follow on Instagram I will post a chart in a few days. When I test the slugs at high velocities in the next few days I will be sure to document the energy at the target 👍🏻
Hay amigo, what did you do to your barrel? Did I miss that episode? Just got a Maverick and am really surprised at the amount of barrel flex. Hits where you aim it but still weirds me out. Thanks man, much appreciated.
@Scott Michael- I don’t have a barrel band developed yet for the Maverick but it’s something that I can work on. Typically the bullpup design supports the barrel better than a traditional rifle. I’ll be sure to show the barrel band when I get a working and tested model made!
Superb test for pellet and slug at those lower speeds👍, what distance was the gel set up at?, I would love to see the same slow pellet and slug test with the. 30cal for.expansion tests...
@phillip23451- The gel was at 50 yards, I figured that would be the most realistic application for people taking shots at game in the real world. I agree about the Varmint Knockers, they are a great slug and perform like you’d want! I would like to do a test like this in all calibers! I will get them all done in time 👍🏻 thanks for leaving a comment 🙏🏻
@Pc Biaka- In the next test I will be shooting these same pellets and slugs but at a much faster velocity. That might help show what your impact will be capable of and give you some more options in slugs. I believe they will all expand when shot at a higher velocity
@@dangolwinner sad news for us in India slug so hard almost impossible even 25grain jsb no where tobe found even 16grain so hard only 18.13 available even 18.13 they start to band 😭😭
@Johnny Venturino- In my testing that I’ve done using ballistic gel, they don’t expand too well compared to other slugs. You would need to be shooting them over 1000fps to get them to expand. The NSA slugs are a great economical choice to see if your setup will shoot them well and they expand at 880fps and up. The Hades and Polymags are an excellent choice for any kind of shooting out to 80 yards and they dump a lot of energy into live targets!
@@dangolwinner That was probably the reason many did not expand. Up your muzzle velocity to the upper 900's and bring your target a little closer 25-35 yds and I think you would have seen more expansion on many of these ammo options. For me, I get a little more expansion out of the H&N Hunter Extremes than the Hades, but the hades are more accurate... Anyway, love the vid and gave it a like. I subscribed months ago!!! Good to have low velocity info. I look forward to seeing the high velocity test.
@Randy Cupp- I shot them at a low velocity intentionally to see what expanded at lower power levels. I feel like lots of people out there would have a rifle that shoots at a lower velocity like this. In the next week I will be doing this exact same test but I will be shooting the pellets at 950+FPS and the slugs at 1000+FPS. I believe that will show what the true potential for expansion is on all the projectiles.
@Bo Bo’s World- The price is steep! But once you have it and start using it, it’s worth it. No worrying about the sun or weather, it is very accurate, and the fact that it tracks down range for to give ballistic coefficient is very helpful. I would recommend it if you like tuning and knowing what your rifle is doing. For some of the videos I put out where I need to document speed down range it make my life much easier! It’s a great tool to have
@@dangolwinner oh yeah, this info is awesome!!! So when I start making my slugs, that's info I'll need right? Down range velocities and such. Thank you so much I'll be in touch OK. Oh and I just got a new RAW HM1000x boy oh boy brutha, this thing is the TRUTH!
@Sam Houston- There was a bit of a learning curve to get it pointed in the right area, but once you get that figured out it works great! I would recommend it if it’s in your price range. No worrying about the sun or shade anymore! Plus the fact that it tracks the projectile is awesome for calculating BC and gathering dope for ballistic calculators.
@Wayne Robinson- Thanks for commenting! I found the results to be very telling on what expands and what doesn’t! To do this test justice, I will be performing the same test but shooting the pellets and slugs at around 1000fps to see how the results change
Thanks for all the work on the low velocity test Dan. Very interesting to see these results.
What " low velocity"? Low velocity is sub 500 fps
Oh, 700+ fps is still considered as low speed with airgun! I did not know that. In Sweden the strongest license free air gun is about 460fps with 15,4 grain pellet.
The result with that speed would be interesting to see.
Very informative video - I would like to seen the same test for the those exact slugs also done at double the fpe ie 52-55fpe to see the difference in expansion.I shot my first knockouts at 32fpe with no expnsion. Now I shoot them at approx 56fpe and boy do they whack and mushroom exceptionally well. Same slug, 2 speeds = totally different results.
Nice video Dan and I liked to see the result at low speed...
@NUMIZA Airguns- Thanks man! The next one will be at high speed. Then I’ll move to .25 cal, and .30
Great content and information, thank you
@vipseisun- No problem! Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment!
This video just help me decide what slugs I was going to try in my AAs410tdr.great video Series. Keep it up!
@jtwobickful- Thats great to hear! I am going to be testing each caliber like this!
Great video massive thanks!
@J S- Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment!
What's up bro?! Sorry it took me till now to watch your video, but I've had a bunch of crap going on lately!
I was thinking about this video, & it was a great idea to do the low power & high power tests separately! I think this video will help a lot of people! ...I might be wrong about this, but I think more people out there are using budget pcps or break barrels, shooting at lower velocities.
@GotDave?- No worries man! Thanks for commenting all the time! I agree with your thinking about most people having lower powered rifles. I will do the same type of test in .25 and .30 cal. It’s supposed to snow almost 2 feet tonight and tomorrow so I won’t get to the high velocity video for another week, but I’m excited to see how the slugs and pellets perform in the gel at high velocities!
@@dangolwinner Definitely! I'm interested in seeing that too! Take care & stay warm! Peace!
GotDave? I TOTALLY agree with your Assessment sir! I used to be budget minded too but I finally saved enough to get a Maverick so this is ALL very helpful!
great info ... saved me a lot of time deciding what slugs to use ... low velocity info is eye opening ,,,. thanks
@donham512- Thanks for leaving a comment! It is costly to experiment with ammo! It’s nice to have a bit of info starting out when making a decision on what to shoot!
Just a wealth of information.
Really enjoyed that. Too much fun 🤪
I have every one you tested.
@Stedy One- There was a lot to learn from that testing! Thanks for watching man, I need to film the .25 version and the .22 high velocity version.
Interesting , so I would use the slugs with least expansion on coyote head shots. The softer full expansion slugs on behind the shoulder for a lung shot.
The pellet test the least expansion would be good on bone to trigger expansion, the high expansion on soft small target so less pass through for background safety.
@Roger Armendariz- Great use of the info and your statement is well put! The softer the ammo the better for small game and the harder the slugs the better for penetrating skulls or meat to get to the heart 👍🏻
Ya I agree with the low velocity test. The VK performed excellent 👌
@Brian Trujillo- They are hard to beat! They are a great expanding slug at all velocities! In the next test I’ll be shooting them at about 1015fps ! Thanks for commenting!
We need to test them in meat and bone
I could be wrong, but at lower speeds the 2 slugs that expand the most are also the most expensive. ??
But some slugs are more accurate at higher speeds and also perform better with more fpe.
Another issue is what diameter slug performs best in your barrel??
If that's not enough there are a large quantity of different weights to choose from.
Awesome testing. Lots of info.
Very nice 👌👍
@Stedy One- you are half correct on the price, the VKs cost as much as the hybrids. The javelins are twice the value of both- 200 slugs for $18. You are correct with the slug size in regards to the barrel. Lots of options in .22 cal
great video as usual, very informative and professionally done, thanks for all the hard work you put in.
@Nick Meinert- Thanks bud! I appreciate the feedback. It is time consuming to get the test done right, but the results are worth the effort! Thanks for support and thanks for taking the time to leave a comment 🙏🏻
Great video. Very informative. Appreciate the fact you take the time to do such a test. 👍👍👍
@David Richards- Thanks! It does take a lot of setup and editing but in the end the information that comes from it is very helpful to some! I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment, it makes it worth it knowing people find it helpful!
Awesome video brother varmint knockers are the best for dumbing all your energy in a animal in my opinion 👍 great job man ...some slugs almost went all the way through i like softer lead slugs thanks for sharing bsafe
@Chris Figueroa- Thanks for leaving a comment man! I agree about the VKs, they are great for shooting live targets
Just got a .22 Maverick so this info is Super helpful! Thanks man!
@Scott Michael- Nice, great rifle! You should be able to shoot a variety of ammo very accurately!
Great video by the way I love the grid beneath the gel!!
@Sam Houston- Thanks, I tried to put some though into it before I went through the process! I’m looking forward to the .25 cal test. I am expecting snow here tomorrow, and once that clears up I’ll finish up the .22 cal high velocity testing and then on to .25 and .30
Excellent video excellent graphics and information thank you keep up the good videos
@JF pointblank- Thanks bud! I appreciate the feedback and I do plan on making a few more videos like this with other calibers.
CZcams seems to be nothing but FX guns and no one is highlighting the problems with these guns.
Excellent info. Thanks for all the work.
@dnick49- thanks for taking the time to leave a comment bud 🙏🏻
Excellent video.
@Henry Moreland- Thanks for the positive feedback! I appreciate it!!
great video thank you!!! kind sad about the fx hybrid slugs
Love the ballistic gel test, would love to get my hands on the varmint knockers, the Javelins performed the best in my clay tests, I was hitting a bit harder with the higher velocity so it is brilliant to see them perform as good on low velocity, the KO's were the 2nd best at high speed. +- 900 fps to 950fps. Very interesting indeed. How is the accuracy on the Varmint knockers?
@Aim Small- Thanks! I have had great success with accuracy using the Varmint Knockers. I use the 700mm slug liner A and in my Wildcat and I shoot them at 1015 fps. They will group sub moa at 100 yards and the farthest kill was at 176 yards on a prarie dog and I got it on camera! I really like the Javelins too, and they are a bit cheaper than the Varmint Knockers. With the Varmint Knockers, only the 22 gr has the extra large hollow point and with the Javelins there are a few more options with weight. I watched your clay testing and I enjoyed it! It looked like there was a lot of effort that went into it! I like the style of your videos and they way you edit them, great job and I have been watching your channel for months.
if the knockers look like the ones in the pic they look dented and deformed fresh out the box may have bad accuracy
Absolutely excellent video brutha!
@Bo Bo’s World- Thanks man!
Thanx for all the hard work...
@Andre Bosch- thanks for taking the time to leave a comment!!
I am getting ready to start a series called”The Blind” where I test different air guns and ammo and will use a new system I have invented to recycle pellets and slug lead back into cupped or non cupped slugs with the ability to choose custom weights and hollow point diameter and depth. I will be showing the system in the series and putting my cast ammo against popular and widely used pellets and slugs on the market as the baseline. If enough Interest develops I might offer to the airgun community. It saves a ton of money and just makes sense. I hope you will come visit me in the blind and see what I have to share.
@Sam Houston- That sounds pretty interesting. With all the ammo choices available now, I thing there’s a lot of air gunners who want to see the difference in performance between them all. Sounds like something I’d watch 👍🏻 When demonstrating ammo in a heads up comparison, the results speak for them self!
Are you the one that shot the elk with the .30 Impact?
@@dangolwinner no I just shoot paper and Gel as soon as it arrives Maybe hunting/pesting some day. More testing is needed 😂. I think I like the testing part. I think the system will impress all calibers except.177 I haven’t done any r&d on them but for myself I have hybrid style all the way up to .357 for my impact and round nose in all except .177 that shoot great. I will use what is commercially available to show the accuracy then compare. I plan on ordering a .177 barrel for impact but it’s still a ways out on the priority list. Can’t wait for some input!!
@Sam Houston- Oh, got it! There was another Sam that was messaging at one point about the hunting. Do you have a channel?
@@dangolwinner will be posting first videos this week hopefully.
@Sam Houston- Let me know when you do, I’ll check it out!
Thank you very much my friend I love your videos, they are super helpful. Where can I buy the varmint knocker slugs and the javelins? Any links will help please. 👊🏻
I wonder if there is a difference between swaged slugs v mould slugs as the the difference in the density of the lead ie molten v pounded/forged... I could just be over thinking it or maybe softer pellets expand more than alloyed lead
@duffmanmark- I’m sure there is a difference, most people who cast slugs have added tin. The Varmint Knocker and the javelins are very soft
Wow Daniel! Loved it. No one can deny those results you showed in order to make an informed decision based on their needs. Excellent work (hell of a lot of it too)! Thank you and I will be ordering some cases. Can you make some for .308?
@Bret Lawson- Thanks Bret! I appreciate the comments! If you send me the length of the ammo I could make a container for them. Shoot me an email with some specs and I’ll get it going 👍🏻
I haven't watched any videos for awhile but I always enjoyed your guns and videos. Do you still have your little BP17 by Atoman.
@Johnny Venturino- Yes I still have the BP17! I love that little gun, it’s my go to truck gun. I will be using it in some upcoming videos!
Would still like to see the FPE at POI at least for the Varmint Knockers and the Hades
Right. Now I am convinced
Poly or Hades under 50 yds
Varmint Knockers over 50
@Tbuggey- I had planned to shoot with the labradar again but it ended up snowing. If you follow on Instagram I will post a chart in a few days. When I test the slugs at high velocities in the next few days I will be sure to document the energy at the target 👍🏻
Thanks
I will try to find it
Thanks for the test. How about trying below 700 FPS with your two top performing slugs?
@Peter Fowler-Sure! I can work on that 👍🏻
Hay amigo, what did you do to your barrel? Did I miss that episode? Just got a Maverick and am really surprised at the amount of barrel flex. Hits where you aim it but still weirds me out. Thanks man, much appreciated.
@Scott Michael- I don’t have a barrel band developed yet for the Maverick but it’s something that I can work on. Typically the bullpup design supports the barrel better than a traditional rifle. I’ll be sure to show the barrel band when I get a working and tested model made!
@@dangolwinner I'd appreciate that my man.
Where can I get those varmint knocker slugs in .25? They look devastating
You do understand the meaning of "low velocity" right? Low velocity air guns literally everywhere shoot under 500fps
Superb test for pellet and slug at those lower speeds👍, what distance was the gel set up at?,
I would love to see the same slow pellet and slug test with the. 30cal for.expansion tests...
Those varmint knockers are what were all looking for in a slug
@phillip23451- The gel was at 50 yards, I figured that would be the most realistic application for people taking shots at game in the real world. I agree about the Varmint Knockers, they are a great slug and perform like you’d want! I would like to do a test like this in all calibers! I will get them all done in time 👍🏻 thanks for leaving a comment 🙏🏻
@@dangolwinner not sure i can get these varmint knocker slugs here in the UK tho, ive had a look and can't.seem to find any..
@phillip23451- I am currently testing the ZAN projectiles, they are great for expansion and have also been easy to tune! They are worth trying out!
Hunter and hunter extreme, i shoot at 910fps its good but i really wish i can use a very good slug with my impact mkii
@Pc Biaka- In the next test I will be shooting these same pellets and slugs but at a much faster velocity. That might help show what your impact will be capable of and give you some more options in slugs. I believe they will all expand when shot at a higher velocity
@@dangolwinner sad news for us in India slug so hard almost impossible even 25grain jsb no where tobe found even 16grain so hard only 18.13 available even 18.13 they start to band 😭😭
@Pc Biaka- Oh man, that’s a bummer. The good thing about the Impact is it will shoot just about every type of ammo!
Where's a link to purchase boxes?
@Stedy One- email me, I don’t have a website up yet- dang77lopez@gmail.com I can send you some pictures of examples I can make
H&N 36gr ??
How about accuracy?
Wow Excelent friends..
@PEMBURU KATROK- Thanks bud!
How do you think the FX Hybrids in 25 cal. Would do in a Edgun leshyi buddy.
@Johnny Venturino- In my testing that I’ve done using ballistic gel, they don’t expand too well compared to other slugs. You would need to be shooting them over 1000fps to get them to expand. The NSA slugs are a great economical choice to see if your setup will shoot them well and they expand at 880fps and up. The Hades and Polymags are an excellent choice for any kind of shooting out to 80 yards and they dump a lot of energy into live targets!
Did I miss where you said how far the gel is?
@jtwobickful- I had the gel placed at 50 yards away!
@@dangolwinner That was probably the reason many did not expand. Up your muzzle velocity to the upper 900's and bring your target a little closer 25-35 yds and I think you would have seen more expansion on many of these ammo options. For me, I get a little more expansion out of the H&N Hunter Extremes than the Hades, but the hades are more accurate... Anyway, love the vid and gave it a like. I subscribed months ago!!!
Good to have low velocity info. I look forward to seeing the high velocity test.
@Randy Cupp- I shot them at a low velocity intentionally to see what expanded at lower power levels. I feel like lots of people out there would have a rifle that shoots at a lower velocity like this. In the next week I will be doing this exact same test but I will be shooting the pellets at 950+FPS and the slugs at 1000+FPS. I believe that will show what the true potential for expansion is on all the projectiles.
@Randy Cupp- And thanks for the support!!! i really appreciate it 🙏🏻
Almost bought a Lab radar last week. The price tag gave me pause 😨. But I think I still want it. What are your opinions on it?
@Bo Bo’s World- The price is steep! But once you have it and start using it, it’s worth it. No worrying about the sun or weather, it is very accurate, and the fact that it tracks down range for to give ballistic coefficient is very helpful. I would recommend it if you like tuning and knowing what your rifle is doing. For some of the videos I put out where I need to document speed down range it make my life much easier! It’s a great tool to have
@@dangolwinner oh yeah, this info is awesome!!! So when I start making my slugs, that's info I'll need right? Down range velocities and such. Thank you so much I'll be in touch OK. Oh and I just got a new RAW HM1000x boy oh boy brutha, this thing is the TRUTH!
@Bo Bo’s World- Man! I almost bought that but ended up going with the Crown! You will have to keep me posted on what slugs it shoots!
Where can I get your ammo boxes??
@24carrera- email me and I’ll get you the info! Dang77lopez@gmail.com
How do you like the lab radar?
@Sam Houston- There was a bit of a learning curve to get it pointed in the right area, but once you get that figured out it works great! I would recommend it if it’s in your price range. No worrying about the sun or shade anymore! Plus the fact that it tracks the projectile is awesome for calculating BC and gathering dope for ballistic calculators.
It’s on my radar 😂
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@RK Hunter- 🙏🏻
Thanks for all the work on the low velocity test Dan. Very interesting to see these results.
@Wayne Robinson- Thanks for commenting! I found the results to be very telling on what expands and what doesn’t! To do this test justice, I will be performing the same test but shooting the pellets and slugs at around 1000fps to see how the results change