How US politics on abortion is dividing a city | BBC Newsnight
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- čas přidán 22. 01. 2024
- As Donald Trump and Nikki Haley fight it out in New Hampshire, US President, Joe Biden, is launching a campaign to try and put the fight over reproductive rights at the heart of November’s election.
It is a repeat of the strategy Democrats deployed to achieve better-than-expected results in the 2022 midterms.
This comes on the 51st anniversary of Roe versus Wade, the landmark supreme court decision which legalised terminations across the US and was overturned by the US Supreme Court in 2022.
Newsnight's Joe Pike has been in Illinois speaking to some of Carbondale's residents.
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US politics is like going to a circus
And it's the clowns that rule...
I live here and I am in constant fear of the stupidity
All due to Iran's intervention
@@mattfisk7695dude it's everywhere. Politics means madness.
Pro life ❤
Please fix your audio... left vs right channels
It's sad that it's up to a small-town's church community to offer the financial support needed to allow a struggling mother to keep her baby or not. That's something every pro-life citizen should be aggressively pressuring their government to spend their taxes on, instead of harassing vulnerable people on their way to often life-saving procedures.
If you really want to decrease the number of abortions in your country, you should be voting for more food-stamps, subsidized daycare, school lunch programs and paid maternity leave, not passing laws that recklessly endanger women's lives and torture babies that doctors know are slowly dying in the womb.
They assume that every case is about money, that it's always just about someone not having enough money to raise a child. Of course they do, the kind of hypocrites who insist on imposing their personal religious beliefs on others are also the kinds of hypocrites who would blaspheme against Christ's anti-avarice teachings and obsess about money and always be thinking of money. 😒
I agree with you but I can’t stop seeing the unborn child as having value equal to a born child
@@rons.9678It does. People are clueless.
@@rons.9678 Most pro-choice people don't want to hurt an unborn child any more than you do, the issue is that these types of bans are placing more value on the baby than the mother. There's never a definitive line where a doctor can declare and prove in court "this mother will die unless we abort" there's only a scale of risks and benefits to weigh, and if termination's not an option, the doctors will be forced to never help an endangered mother, and will often lose the baby anyway. There are countless complex scenarios where choosing abortion is what's best for everyone, and it should be decided by the people who fully understand those situations.
Why not just let us do whatever needs to be done? Because of your kind, a 12 or 13 year old got "grapped" and she was forced to give birth because it's illegal. To make it worse, she and her family didn't have money to drive or fly to Illinois to get an abortion. There has to be somewhere where people feel okay.
12 is nothing, the "record" is 5 (at time of birth, so 4 at time of assault).
@@I.____.....__...__ 12 _is_ something m#ron. That's a kid in case you haven't noticed. What are you saying??
Abortion is healthcare plain and simple lawmakers have no business butting into medical decisions...
Voteblue 💙
Ending an innocent’s life is healthcare? Did you say the same when Biden and Harris demanded Americans get vaccinated? Choice didn’t matter then?
What about the rights of the unvaxxed? Where were the 'my body my choice' feminists then? Spending big pharma pay-offs?
@Jen-lg4hp the antivaxers nobody made them get the vaccine and most of them died or came close to it...
Your argument holds no water since nobody made the antivaxers get the vaccine they said no and we said it's your funeral and we were right..
Baby grinders aren’t medical reasons.
Pro life❤
This should have been a private issue.
It's heartbreaking to see a girl as young as 12 not able to get a better chance at life and has to let a rapist ruin her whole life because of the barbaric six-week law. Evil has embodied itself in such inhuman anti abortion law.
Blame religion
@@realpolitics527 religion has Zero to do with it. it’s basic human rights. I follow no god and yes baby grinding is bad. Clownshoes.
@@realpolitics527 blaming religion for your own moral faults, is an amazing gaslighting tactic.
@@Censortubes my apologies, blame the people using religious scripture to take away rights from women and force their own religious beliefs down these women's throats.
@@realpolitics527 again if you need to blame that instead of having a convo about it with normal people. You are just a a room temp iq muppet yourself. You know only 7 nations out of the 200 in world think it’s ok right? Literally the entire world thinks you are wrong. Now back to the child’s table with you.
No love like Christian hate.
All religious zealots are hypocrites, but Christian zealots are the most hypocritical.
Pro life ❤ ✝️
what about muslims or jews? why do you roasties hate christians so much?
I'm glad this is a settled issue in the UK. The politics involved is appalling.
We have about 80 MPS that vote anti abortion ( majority areTories) we can never be complacent, specially when a few religious MPS (Cates,Krueger, Mogg etc)are continually going on about increasing UK birth rates
Abortion is wrong 😢
@@mariamoments478 many people would disagree
It was a settled issue in America until the new SCOTUS. They all swore under oath they would not touch any standing law - but they did. And there is no one to hold them accountable.
@@mariamoments478 So you think it's OK to kill the mother rather than abort a dead fetus? You are obviously a man or someone who has never known anyone with a toxic pregnancy.
Its heartbreaking to think women are forced to drive hundreds or thousnds of miles to get healthcare or just have bodily autonomy. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER
Grinding up your baby isn't healthcare ccp bot.
I remember Biden firing those who didn't want the jab- I'll NEVER forget or forgive that DISCRIMINATION!
@@Jen-lg4hp lol. If you want to participate in society, other people have the right to be safe from getting sick. However I actually did not support forced vaccines, unlike those people who resisted the vaccine but want to force women to give birth , I am not a hypocrite.
It was the backlash from the overturning of R v W that crushed the GOP in the 2022 midterms, and will do the same this November.
@@Jen-lg4hp I guess you think that is the same, lol. And you people call liberals snowflakes
Convert your audio to mono before uploading.
How’d you do that, please 🙂
So that woman thinks that a 5yo should be forced to give birth and raise the child of her assaulter, or else, give birth and have her child taken away from her? 🤨
Yes...
A 5 year old can’t give birth short bus rider.
Pro life ❤ ✝️
Can't she just give the baby for adoption?
@@Censortubesthe youngest mother was 5 years old she gave birth via c section. Her grandfather was her baby daddy.
Abortion is a medical procedure, and not a morality issue. Moral issues should be handled with your minister, and not your doctor.
Unless it’s to save the life of mother. It’s not a medical procedure. Facts prove you wrong.
Money only has value because we believe it does, its just paper. How much imaginary paper value is a life worth?
Yeah so "pro life" is give them a bag of freaking diapers and Alabama so called "pro life" state is gassing down human being, Sick!
I’m sorry to see that US politics went completely crazy…
It tends to happen when the people go crazy and start demanding rights they either already have or will never have. Especially when they become entitled to such a degree they forget how to be responsible.
Pro life ❤ ✝️
Babies has rights too. Who is going to speak for them. Killing babies is appalling, inhumane and dead wrong.
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The woman should be able to do as she feels right ( her body and circumstances ) People should keep their beaks out. 8 billion of us , we do not need more . They are not even a child by that timeline
Does that right extend to a girl? What about a young girl? What about a baby girl? What about a fetal girl? If people were allowed and permitted to do what they thought was right without any other consideration, forethought, analysis or contemplation, no almost one would be able to do anything that was good, right or decent , and there certainly would far fewer than eight-billion homo sapiens.
Let me guess. the old timers vs the young people
Remember now, baby grinding is fine. Refusing an unknown medial jab isn’t though.
Why don't both sides of the issue work to promote not getting an unwanted pregnancy in the first place, instead of bickering and arguing about who killed who, etc?
(1) It's impossible to guarantee birth-control. With over 8 billion humans in the world boning constantly, it's just a matter of time until even the most foolproof scenario fails.
(2) The kind of people who insist on imposing their own personal religious beliefs on others are also against birth-control. 😒
The unwanted pregnancies are done by men. So men must be restricted with their activities.
rape victims? You think they chose to be impregnated by their rapists? Groomed children, you think just because a baby can grow inside them, that they are adult enough to know what they are getting into? A guy who pulls off the condom without the woman knowing, because he wants to have a full feel? How do you avoid that as a woman?
And even contraceptives are never 100%. So you want people to not ever have sex, unless they plan on having children.
The pro-choice movement is also pro-birth control and pro-sexual education. The other side is against all that because of their religion, which they want to impose on everybody
I can't see any replies so I'll assume all of them are stating that Republicans vote against sex Ed and birth control whenever they think they can get away with it. It isn't about life, it's about control.
Woman’s body; woman’s choice. No one else’s business, aside from the father.
Says the fake postbot account.
@@Censortubes Paranoid, much? 🤣
@@Censortubes Just for the record, even if I _were_ a bot, that doesn’t invalidate the comment. 🤖
Even the father shouldn't really have much say because it is the mother's body that going through the process.
Well, technically it's the fetus's body inside the mom's body, so this statement does not hold. You can argue that it's a choice between protecting the mom or saving the baby, which would be similar to the Trolley problem.
I also don't get why you said aside from the father. Saying abortion yes/no should be determined by the mom is not a perfect argument, saying it's determined by the dad is worse. You can say that the familial bond is a factor, but I think it's a minor thing.
why is the comment section a bunch of whiny pro abortion leftists?
Because if they controlo woman they control everything and they know that 😢
All due to Iran's intervention.
Wow. I really can’t describe the shock of seeing a story about Carbondale. I’m only a couple hours away from there.
As an aside, that is where I will be viewing the solar eclipse this April!
You're a narcissist, right? You somehow managed to make it all about you
@@lukaszurov Did my idle comment offend you? Block me
@@princepsmickey934 Offended? no, only amused
Anime loser makes it about him. lol
I cannot accept the phrase my body, my choice, since a foetus has its own DNA from conception. Yes, there are some circumstances in which abortion may be the lesser of two evils. Yes, it is essential if a woman's life is in danger. But it is horrible, horrible, horrible. And maybe if the full horror of abortion were more clear, people would be more careful about pregnancy. Fact: the number of men having vasectomies has risen steeply in the parts of the US where there are stricter limits on abortion.
😂 but the number of women singles too! With this stupid law you only go back 50 years! Women stop trusting governments, women prefer to be single... now the risk? And what's the point of seeing that the number of rapes and suicides among men in these states has also increased? 😮
I believe that an unborn child is an unborn child. So I believe that the killing of an unborn child is wrong
A foetus is a person as much as a seed is a tree
You...but some people have a diferent opinion....My anger today with the ignorant USA is that you allow the choice to carry a weapon that can kill 3 and 4 people in seconds. But they don't allow a desperate mother to choose 😢
respect the lives. they are your children.
Respect them by giving them a painless death rather than a life filled with pain and suffering.
Frick children lol /j
Ты же родился от Байдена война ради чего ты живешь как научили украинцы и русские❤️🎃
Abortion is not an election issue
Exactly. Just a side show liberal media circus.
Sadly it is.
Freedom is always an election issue.
No it's a civil rights issue, because actual rights of born individuals are under threat
For a large chunk of the American electorate it is the only election issue
The misinformation on this topic is disgraceful. If travelling to another state is too much of an inconvenience to have an abortion then you shouldn’t have an abortion.
If you don't have the resources to travel you might not have the resources to raise a kid.
@@richardkey1678excellent point. However, ensuring a good life for the child after it is born, is not even within the talking points of ''pro life" people and politicians.
You’re a 17 year old who is pregnant with no money, no support network, no access to free sexual healthcare and parents who will beat you or kick you out if they find out you’re pregnant. The nearest abortion clinic is 350 miles away. Go. Tell me how that should be handled
@@chrisdalby ssshhhhh... don't ask such meaningful questions from pro life people, smoke starts to come out of their ears.
Babykllers
Cope. Fetus is not human
@@minthukq3235 You are insane , or incapable of thinking in English. Or both.
@@minthukq3235 yes it is.
@@spatehicks4724 who said? Religious books?
Abortion issue dividing USA ? That's why US citizens should follow the Bible where God says get married and live honorably. Hebrew 13:4 "let marriage be held in honor among all ....for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. - meaning must get knowledge and educated about marriage life and get married honorably to avoid abortion problem.
"Bitterwater"
Oink, oink .... makes about the same amount of sense. Oink
Um...a more than a few of the women affected were married and wanted to be pregnant. They were forced to carry doomed pregnancies so people like you can feel better without it costing you anything
I’m pro life.
No, you're not. You're anti-freedom, anti-Women, pro-forced birth, and pro-dead women by default. In fact; you're that exact oppicite of "pro-life".
What does that even mean?
Your personal choice regards only you.
Not me. Or any other women.
You sure you're pro life or actually pro BIRTH? There's just a lot to unravel in your comment.
Anti choice you mean, even for yourself you'd rather have someone else making your choice
If only irresponsible & loose women were responsible with their bodies & choices 👍🏻
If only you'd keep your puritanical christofascist nose the hell out of other people's business.
If only loose men would keep their member in their pants.
What about those women who wanted to be pregnant but the law included "no exceptions including the life of the mother"? And before you say those places don't exist, both Texas and Idaho have Supreme courts that say there will be no exceptions. Should those women just die because other women were "irresponsible" therefore all women must be punished?
There are two parties involved in a pregnancy. Why do you only point at the women? What about the loose men that made them pregnant?
@@AdrianneJH
That's a case by case decision...
But you know as well as I do those cases don't make up the majority of abortions
Where were all the "my body, my choice" hypocrites when Biden was firing us for not taking the jab???? HYPOCRITES!!!
You were actually allowed to make the CHOICE to refuse the vaccine. That didn't extend to you the right to impose YOUR LIFE CHOICE on someone else who would be concerned you would therefore be a more susceptible candidate for being a virus carrier.
@@ThomasFromTN false gov bootlick. People weee fired for not taking it. Now without the lies answer the question.
You obviously fell for the propaganda! Don't you dare use the word "allowed" with me! I'm not some 5 year old who thinks the government and big pharma scum are my nanny! If the 'vaccine' is so great, shouldn't it protect all you idiots for the great unwashed unjabbed lepers like me???? Ps. The 'virus' is called SEASONAL FLU! Strange how it disappeared the past few years!@@ThomasFromTN
That’s a bs comparison. Vaccines save lives and abortion can potentially save lives too. And no an underdeveloped fetus doesn’t count. There are no double standards
@@DisinfoWatch
People who believe that women deserve rights and are not baby making machines
think that women have a right to obtain an abortion if necessary but nobody is pro-abortion.
Next time ask a question that makes sense.