000 12-Fret Comparison: Collings 000-2H, Martin 000-28VS

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • Lindsay compares and contrasts two guitars cut from the same DNA with very different results.

Komentáře • 81

  • @BreadLightPray_EWFMgtr
    @BreadLightPray_EWFMgtr Před 4 lety +20

    the OO/OOO-12 fret are hands down The Best designed and sounding steel string guitars on the planet !!
    Yes Martin and Collings does build them the best too ! a collector of sorts over the past 40+ years ; I have owned both these builder's models in both OO & OOO 12-frets ; I cannot say which I prefer more as they are so good a guitar ; but the Martin is silky smooth and a traditional piece of eye candy , and the Collings is clear as a bell and immaculately well finished !!
    Open headstock is a must for these traditional beauties.
    These two are absolutely must haves in the arsenal of the collector and player of vintage acoustic designs and tones ❣❣

    • @sappo504
      @sappo504 Před 3 lety

      BarakLap - have any of the OO-OOO guitars you've owned had a shorter scale length? I've only played on the standard longscale models (around 25.5), the OOOO Martin I have now is 25.4 - but I've always wondered about the shorter scale length guitars, never played one though. Am thinking it might be a lot easier to play.

    • @PotPoet
      @PotPoet Před 3 lety

      @@sappo504 The lower string tension on the shorter scale guitars makes for easier playability. One can slide up easier and bend easier. It is so easy to bend, that if you are used to playing a 12 string and use the same pressure on your chords, you will bend them, or bend one of the strings you are holding down a bit out of tune. I found I was bending the B string when holding a D chord and had to consciously adjust my position to play it without distortion.

    • @BreadLightPray_EWFMgtr
      @BreadLightPray_EWFMgtr Před rokem

      short scale length yes 24.9" or 24.75" are my favorite and most of my OO and OOO are actually the SS length; and yes much easier to play , and on top of that I tune my guitars E_flat to e_flat as I have not much use for the high pitched stnd tuning ; I won't even buy any guitar with a scale length over 25" anymore ❗️☻️😎

  • @steveb9325
    @steveb9325 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Both beautiful guitars no doubt. I'd do with the Collings just the paint brush for me. Love the colors. Beautiful colors❤

  • @DanTrapp
    @DanTrapp Před 4 lety +20

    Collings. No question in my mind. I love the warmth of the Martin, but that Collings cut right through and delivered way better note separation. Maybe that's not what everyone wants, I'm just saying my ears perked up when you switched to that Collings. I can say that Martin is a winner. Can't go wrong with either.

    • @mragunathan1627
      @mragunathan1627 Před 3 lety +1

      I didnt want to agree with it but dammit you are right about the note separation. Not that the Martin sounds "bad". The Collings is just clear like its been EQ'd in post production.

    • @jamesderoc6717
      @jamesderoc6717 Před 3 lety

      you are right but listen to the martin dressed in maple
      czcams.com/video/fWjfALqX5BU/video.html

  • @SillyMoustache
    @SillyMoustache Před 4 lety +10

    Well, I feel quite at home here! I stumbled on this video after reading some comments on my video about my Collings DS2h and 0002h.
    I was a Martin man for a long time until I discovered that the standard thin "rhythm" style 14 frt necks were holding back my style. I searched long and hard for a Martin D18/28/35-S but simply couldn't find one. The HD28VS was a fine guitar but ad a 1 & 3/4 nut which was still too small for me, then, in 1999 I discovered a Collings DS2h, and discovered nor only an ideal fretboard/neck geometry for my purposes, but discovered other advantages of the pre 1934 Martin designs. Being something of a Jimmie Rodgers fan gave me an excuse to seek out a 000, and again it was the Collings 0002h which I found first in 2005. By then , of course, I had become sensitised (?) to the Collings balanced sound as compared to the bass biased Martin sound that, lets face it, we all appreciate. The 0002h with a near identical neck to the dread, but with a slightly thinner string spacing was, I found, a very delicate instrument. With such resonance, I had to learn not to overplay it as it had power in abundance. Many describe the Collings sound as Bright, in comparison to an equivalent Martin, but I prefer the term clarity from the open bass E to the octave on the top e - clean, clear rounded notes. I still respect Martin truly believe that in their 12 fret flat-top line from the 0 model in 1895, to the 00 of 1898, the 000 of 1902, and the ditson 111 that would in effect become the Dreadnought in 1931 their research and development was second to none. The now much loved OM was, at the time (1929-1933) not that popular,but it as aimed at a market that Gibson had owned with their archtops. The flat top battle for the folk music market started in 1934 with the 14 fret dreadnought and Gibson jumbo, which sold in far greater numbers than the 12 fret Martins, however the 12 fret designs are still in my opinion superior. I find it very sad that Martin have now discontinued all of them, and thankfully Collings continues to carry the banner of these excellent designs.

    • @steveb9325
      @steveb9325 Před 3 lety

      Well said Andy!!! Steve from ATX home of Collings of course!!! Take care Buddy. Btw: I'm going to forward your comments to Martin guitars co! Couldn't agree more. It would be like Coca-Cola stop producing the original coke and sell only diet coke... you and I will and most everyone else will always love Martin though Collings is just superior cause really they are just old school Martin and Gibson and they make no bones about it. They stuck to Bill's dream that he made reality. RIP Bill

  • @thunderbugcreative7778
    @thunderbugcreative7778 Před 6 měsíci +2

    These are dandies for sure. I am fortunate to own a Martin 000-40 and a Collings 00Mh (hog). Both are glorious to behold and delightful to play. Collings makes incredible instruments as does Martin, but Collings make the the greatest mahogany top guitars on earth in my opinion.

  • @macktheknife8443
    @macktheknife8443 Před 3 lety +6

    Very good comparison. Makes me want to buy both! The Collings voice is very interesting, beautiful strong and clear trebles and to my ear brighter sounding, but never thin or boring. The Martin is more bass dominant and sounds darker. It is not about which is better, both are great in different ways.

  • @rogerd9150
    @rogerd9150 Před 3 lety +5

    I’ve been a Martin fan for years. I recall the first time I saw a Collings guitar in person years ago I was amazed at the fit and finish of the Collings. Very noticeable craftsmanship. Just beautiful guitars. On this video, I’ll have to favor the Martin for its warmth of tone. The Collings is right up there and I would love to be able to own one someday. Great playing, great comparison.

    • @gosman949
      @gosman949 Před 2 lety +1

      @Luke have you looked at the prices going for the used Martin 12 frets?

    • @gosman949
      @gosman949 Před 2 lety

      @Luke i can get hold of a Martin 2014 model of the 00-28vs for about $3300. Does that sound right for this larger 00?

  • @SteveAtkinsonFineArt
    @SteveAtkinsonFineArt Před 4 lety +3

    Loved the brightness of the Collings vs the Martin. The Collings seems to be a cross between a Martin and a Taylor. Nice low and mid-range of the Martin and brightness of a Taylor, but not as bright as a Taylor... which, to me is a very good thing. Thanks for the comparison Lindsay.

  • @klomax7750
    @klomax7750 Před 3 lety +4

    Good, straightforward comparison. Each guitar has its own characteristics, there is no right or wrong choice, just the player's preference (would be the Collings for me).
    The on-screen specs show the Martin as having a 1 13/16" nut (correctly shown as this for the Collings) but I think it is 1 7/8".

  • @Ravenwood82
    @Ravenwood82 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I've owned examples of both of these instruments. Of the two, the Collings was, in my opinion, a better sounding guitar.I really like 12 fretters.
    My favorite is my 12 fret slot-head Martin HD 28 S

  • @PotPoet
    @PotPoet Před 3 lety +2

    That Collings has a truly sweet sound. They are both indeed outstanding guitars, as noted. The playing is also outstanding.

  • @58landman
    @58landman Před rokem +1

    I own a Collings 02h and a Parlor model. They are excellent instruments and I essentially stopped buying guitars after acquiring them, but that little Martin ain't no slouch. It's very nice with a slight total difference. I love them both.

  • @robertmycroft8268
    @robertmycroft8268 Před 4 lety +3

    The Collings guitar seemed brighter in sound while maintaining a decent base. I was surprised, but I liked the sound of the Collings over the Martin. Just my humble opinion.

  • @vegetableswife
    @vegetableswife Před 5 lety +4

    The Martin is warmer, darker and bass heavy. The Collings is louder, more balanced across the strings with thick trebles. Both fantastic, I own a 000-2H but I really like the Martin as well. I don’t think owning both would be a redundant experience.

    • @quigley4440
      @quigley4440 Před 4 lety +2

      I must agree with you in every respect. I had my mind set on this very Martin until a used Collings 0001 12 fret came into the local shop as a trade in for this very Martin. Go figure. After trying the Collings I could not resist any longer and brought it home. For my style of fingerstyle and songs, it just has more of what I need in a guitar.

    • @vegetableswife
      @vegetableswife Před 4 lety +3

      I think a lot of Martin fans initially find the Collings a little strident and bright as their ears have been conditioned over the years to a prominent bass tone and plenty of warmth at arguably the expense of some clarity and mid-range. My 000-2h is a very warm sounding instrument yet it has the clarity and note separation imperative for well defined finger style arrangements. I think the secret with Collings is that they need to be played in a lot to warm up (more so than most guitars) and they are also very sensitive to string brand and gauge. I use Thomastik 11-52 on mine for both warmth and clarity and in effect I get a tone somewhere between the above two instruments, a best of both worlds if you will.

  • @billmay7364
    @billmay7364 Před rokem +2

    I love the Martin VS Series.
    I own the Martin and it is a Jewel.
    But the Collins is the Dream.
    There both beautiful instruments.

  • @Oklatucky_Guitarman
    @Oklatucky_Guitarman Před 2 lety +1

    You did a very nice job with those demos. Thank you.

  • @markcarleton6647
    @markcarleton6647 Před 4 lety +1

    Great comparison video and playing by Lindsay! Both of the guitars sound amazing. I have Collings OM1, OM2 and Martin OM18, OM28 guitars - all with Adirondack tops and cutaways. I can’t say that I prefer one over the other. There are advantages to each guitar. I really like the Collings neck! The Martin guitars have a deeper sound that shimmers. The Collings guitars have a brighter / more balanced sound. I’d love to have a 12 fret Collings or Martin someday.

  • @NexusDL12
    @NexusDL12 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Collings wins it for me. More projection , warmth and a more crystalline sound.

  • @sam-ww1wk
    @sam-ww1wk Před rokem +2

    Collings similar bright tone to my Eastman. Martin, typical warm tone it's known for.

  • @SergeUnplugged
    @SergeUnplugged Před 2 lety +2

    Two brilliant instruments

  • @quigley4440
    @quigley4440 Před 4 lety +3

    I commend you on this fine comparison. Well played finger style and you brought out the best voice from each guitar giving us a sample of what to expect from each model. Folks, this is not a which guitar is better comparison. We are all different in what we appreciate in the sound from a guitar. This is why Martin's sound like - a Martin, and a Collings has it's own voicing. We are attracted to that specific sound quality. It is not better or a hands down winner. It's what makes that guitar special to each and every one of us. Appreciate that difference and enjoy it. Took me awhile to find my special guitar and I had to sell most everything to get the one acoustic. No regrets, and every time I pick it up I know why. I would be completely happy with either one of these two guitars. In the end - it was a Collings 0001, used and in excellent condition. If it was a used 000-28 Martin instead - then that would have been brought home instead. Love the one you're with.

    • @maplestreetguitars
      @maplestreetguitars  Před 4 lety +1

      Well said, Quigley!! And thank you for your kind words!

    • @quigley4440
      @quigley4440 Před 2 lety +1

      @@maplestreetguitars Forgot to mention - love the shirt man.

  • @angusdevine7045
    @angusdevine7045 Před 2 lety +2

    I'd say the Collings but the Martin also sounds fantastic

  • @msinger5340
    @msinger5340 Před 3 lety +1

    Very nice video and playing Lindsay!

  • @christianlacheze3323
    @christianlacheze3323 Před 4 lety +3

    Excellent presentation, many thanks!

  • @demian77able
    @demian77able Před 2 lety +1

    We are all so used to the Martin sound that listening to Collings we immediately catch even the most hidden and subtle nuances, the slightest and / or macroscopic differences ...
    The Martin has a darker sound while the Collings has a brighter sound.
    Is it like in the most beautiful and important classical guitars: Cedar soundboard or spruce soundboard?
    The sound will change dramatically.
    To you the choice.

  • @hervecastre7359
    @hervecastre7359 Před 3 lety +2

    The Collings sounds better for me. A lot of medium. Triple 0 are great guitars for fingerstyle.

  • @Walker615
    @Walker615 Před 3 lety +2

    The Martin is warmer and would therefore be better suited to accompanying a vocalist than the Collings. The Collings is brighter and punchier and would be better suited for soloing. It’s brightness would compete in the same frequency range as the vocals.

  • @chuck2388
    @chuck2388 Před 2 lety +1

    Don’t stop!

  • @tbeau6663
    @tbeau6663 Před rokem +2

    Collings for me - more balanced

  • @joq702
    @joq702 Před 3 lety +2

    I like the warmer, less bright sound of the Martin.

  • @PotPoet
    @PotPoet Před 3 lety +1

    12 fret guitars are warm and clear sounding. I play my two 12 fret guitars more than my sixteen 14 fret guitars.

  • @solice8844
    @solice8844 Před 3 lety +2

    The Martin has a thicker punchier delivery vs. Collings’ bright and flashiness. Both are of high comparable caliber although Collings traditionally carries the larger price tag.

  • @michaeleggleston4737
    @michaeleggleston4737 Před rokem

    The Collings sounds brighter more note separation in the trebles.
    The Martin has more tone and sounded a little darker and has a little more bass. I like the Martin.

  • @brendonleary
    @brendonleary Před 3 lety

    Martin's thicker neck portrays better tone to the body. Collings are obviously first-class guitars but just sounded thinner through my monitors.

  • @ejb5659
    @ejb5659 Před rokem +1

    I'm sorry- but- I don't see where my Esteban Special Turquoise LE fits in.

  • @scottmackie2821
    @scottmackie2821 Před 5 lety +2

    Same wood...same scale...same bracing...same fingers. Same strings? Very different voices. Lindsey have you run across a 12 fret 000 with a cutaway?

    • @maplestreetguitars
      @maplestreetguitars  Před 5 lety

      Hi Scott- Yes, in answer to your question, I have seen (and sold) several 000-12 fret cutaways. We have stocked several over the years that were made by Collings, some of which also had a solid headstock--these were mostly inspired by the Collings played by one of my songwriter idols, Chris Smither. I'm sure Martin's Custom Shop would also be happy to make one.... ;-) - Lindsay

  • @christopherhawthorne5395
    @christopherhawthorne5395 Před 10 měsíci

    I don’t own a Martin yet but it it’s crazy how I can pick it out of the bunch in these tests. Somehow Martin is able to get a very distinct sound while mass producing these. Quite amazing.

  • @bigfurlan
    @bigfurlan Před 3 lety +1

    The Martin hits home for me. Collings is nice but Martin takes it to another level.

  • @swagner3105
    @swagner3105 Před 5 lety

    both stunning. where one is weak the other exceeds desire. difficult to compare. this begs the question, why the disparity in price. i find it difficult to justify on either hand by any means. please make an attempt to demystify this.

    • @sappo504
      @sappo504 Před 3 lety

      S Wager: FIrst, and most importantly, I have to give you props for this lovely turn of phrase: "where one is weak the other exceeds desire." I believe Collings is a handmade guitar, whereareas Martin is not (for the most part). Also, I've heard the Collings pays extraordinary attention to their tonewoods. Better tonewoods are more expensive. I'm not an authority on these things, although I did just buy a Martin M36 after trying out a Collings, Taylor and a few other makers and learned a bit in the process.

    • @steveb9325
      @steveb9325 Před 3 lety

      Where is either one weak? I'd like to know. They're both just incredible guitars.

  • @jjallyn3151
    @jjallyn3151 Před 2 měsíci

    Collings. Now try it against a Boucher please

    • @maplestreetguitars
      @maplestreetguitars  Před 2 měsíci

      Good suggestion! Sadly, we are not a Boucher dealer; however, should the opportunity arise, we will certainly make the comparison. In the meantime, thanks for watching!

  • @commentking1591
    @commentking1591 Před 11 měsíci

    I don't know how anyone can listen to this comparison and not think the Martin is the clear winner! They wrote the book on these guitars and it shows. The Martin is just so perfectly balanced, comes out like a well rehearsed choir who knows how to blend!

  • @mr.kilpatrick2991
    @mr.kilpatrick2991 Před 4 lety

    Do these both have a mod V neck profile - whats you opinion of that profile?

    • @maplestreetguitars
      @maplestreetguitars  Před 4 lety

      Hey Scott, they do both have their companies' respective "Modified V" neck profiles. Martin's Mod-V is more pronounced as well as thicker than the Collings profile. If you're a fan of a prominent V, the Martin would probably be more favorable to you. If you prefer a more common C-shape or maybe a slightly thinner neck, you'd probably prefer the Collings.

  • @robdonell9915
    @robdonell9915 Před 3 lety

    Does Taylor have an equivalent ?

    • @maplestreetguitars
      @maplestreetguitars  Před 3 lety +1

      The closest Taylor equivalent would be their 812e 12-fret model!

  • @BobK5
    @BobK5 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The Collings sounded brash at the end when strummed lightly giving away its overly metallic tone, the Martin sounds like it was made of wood, the Collings sounds as if it was made of aluminium.

    • @BobK5
      @BobK5 Před 2 měsíci

      Absolutely

  • @chrisstanford3652
    @chrisstanford3652 Před 3 lety +1

    🤗🤗

  • @vincenteoppolo9025
    @vincenteoppolo9025 Před 2 lety

    My favorite Martin model of all time nothing like it

  • @blonchie4724
    @blonchie4724 Před 4 lety +5

    Nothing sounds like a Martin. Martin forever. Whenever I bought any other make, I ended up regretting it . So I only buy Martin guitars. I'm addicted to their tone! Collings...beautiful sound- too perfect, no personality!

    • @VyasAnand
      @VyasAnand Před 3 lety

      It’s wood good sir - no such thing as too perfect as we are tying to reflect divinity on our musical instruments and music. The divine being 100% no matter how long we practice the best of us practicing 13 hours a day may get to 95% (anymore and we would burst into flames and become one with the divine).

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache Před 3 lety +2

      Blonchie, the only problem with your commitment to Martin is that they have discontinued all the VS series so here is now no choice so, effectively Martin have de-committed to you and I.
      All I can say is thanks o Collings and to Santa Cruz for keepng the 12 fret balanced guitars alive. p.s. Over the last two years I have bought a clone of the Martin 028, and the 00-45 made by Eastman of down town Beijing. Very serious threats to Martin - I would say, and can't wait to see whether they add a 12 fret 000 and dreadnought to their offerings.

    • @blonchie4724
      @blonchie4724 Před 3 lety

      @@SillyMoustache you're right! I had a 0028vs but believe it or nor, I ended up selling it. I now own a om28 custom and I love it!

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache Před 3 lety +1

      @@blonchie4724 Hi, as you will see, i am totally committed to pre 1929/34 Martin designs. 0,00,000 and original dreads - all 12 fretters and the wide fretboards, that I need. The OM was the first rhythm guitar by Martin , made to compete with the Gibson archtops for the tenor banjo players transitioning to "swing" rather than New Orleans style dance/jazz band. It is ironic that many people now prefer the OM thin necked guitar for finger style which is exactly what it wasn't designed for!

    • @blonchie4724
      @blonchie4724 Před 3 lety

      @@SillyMoustache that is interesting! As Imodified my om28 custom to a 1 11/16 neck! I bought it as a comfy (as in not bulky) rhythm guitar! :) by the way, you have a lively playing style!

  • @bigfurlan
    @bigfurlan Před rokem

    The warm wood sound of Martin for me.

  • @user-ep7mo3ph4d
    @user-ep7mo3ph4d Před 5 lety +4

    Martin hands down.

  • @championhairpuller
    @championhairpuller Před 4 lety +3

    Martin, no contest.

  • @bufalobill19
    @bufalobill19 Před 3 měsíci

    Collings is clearer,Martin is warmer...I prefer Martin

  • @TT-wz6xy
    @TT-wz6xy Před 3 lety +2

    Martin by quite a margin

  • @MyChannel-om3gg
    @MyChannel-om3gg Před 2 lety +1

    Martin more quality sounding fiddle.