I BANNED These "Offroad" Motorcycle Boots from my Dual Sport Rallies
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Let's have an honest, real discussion about dual sport, adventure, and dirt bike boots. When it comes to choosing boots to ride on-road, you can get away with a lot more. But for riding any amount of time off road, frankly I think only one style should be used because the others are just downright unsafe to ride in. For my rallies, the ONLY type of boot you can wear is the full length armored MX style boot. Road-boots, half boots, "shorty" boots, and infamously popular unarmored "adventure boots" are not allowed because of one simple fact... BROKEN LEGS, sprained ankles, huge bruises, and other preventable foot and leg injuries were had in the name of comfort. The truth is... a hard sole and an armored boot will be far more comfortable if you're standing on your pegs.
Now I know a lot of guys will chime in and say, "I wear boots like that all the time and I've never broken my leg!" and while that's probably true, why even take the risk? Why chance a serious injury with a "comfortable" boot that's made for walking/hiking/comfort when you are RIDING off road? The same could be said for riding without a helmet. I encourage you to get the boot that does the job of keeping your feet and legs safe... otherwise, might as well go FULL comfort and wear slip ons, toe socks, or flip flops.
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Great video, great advice. I was wearing Forma adventure boots last year on my XR650L when I hit a stump with my foot. Broke my foot in 4 places requiring pins, a screw and surgery. Never again! While recovering I ordered a pair of SG12's and will never ride without them. Take heed. Love your channel, keep up the good work.
The "adventure boots" (like the MSR in your video) are actually trials boots. I think the manufactures just market them as "adventure" boots - usually if they do not have a true adventure boot. For trials, they are really good. You want to feel the pegs, and you want them to be flexible in the ankle do you can move your feet around on the pegs. I would not use them for enduro riding because of the reasons you are mentioning. I had the FLY vector boots and they were pretty good boots, the only thing I did not like about them is that they are wider than most other boots, so your feel are closer to the outside edge of the pegs. For me, it was a bit more difficult to find the shifter and rear brake. I did wear them for snow biking and they were great for that - very warm and toasty (as you would expect from a nice booty). My current pair of boots are the SIDI Crossfire. I highly recommend those. Very comfortable and very good protection, plus they are double hinged at the ankle so you have good feel for the shifter and brake.
Eddie Marak You are exactly right, Eddie. He evidently didn't know that the MSR's were designed for trials riding and NOT for knarly off-road motorcycle riding. I have the Guarne's that look similar (almost identical) to the MSR's. There is NO heel and has FLAT sole to dance on the pegs which is totally necessary for slow speed feel on trials. I also use the Guarne's for ON-road use to and from rallies for their protection/comfort factor. They are NOT and never were designed for anything else.
everide, thanks so much for these vids! I've seen the power of good boots almost every time I ride. I'm always concerned when I see fellow riders with "banned boots". I was there when said rally had a broken leg.
Keep the awesome vids coming!
Thanks for the info Everide. I’ve used your Amazon store for some of my safety gear. I trust your opinion and appreciate your help. Love the Channel keep it up my friend 👍
Really needed this video. Thanks bro.
Very very helpful especially for a beginner. Really appreciate the sincere recommendations based on actual use.
I think a good thing to note is the length of time that boots are still good protection. I ran the Fox Comp 5 and it was a great boot, BUT I wore them longer than I should have. They didn’t hold up in stiffness and support. Because of that I got hurt due to an ankle twist. You can run cheaper boots but you need to be willing to buy them more often then a higher price point.
Had been riding in my SWAT 9" zip up boots for years. They were also my work boots, but last November 15th 2019 I fell off the roof of my house and broke 7 out of 10 metetarsal bones in my feet, plus fractured both fiblula ones just under the knees. Cured me of wearing the Combat style boots. They folded up like a cheap suit at the toes. I was looking at my feet when landed. Been 4 months in a wheelchair and now another month in strap on cast before I can ride again. Going to go back to my motocross ADV boots. Get good boots.
Sorry to hear that! Heal quickly!
Ouch!
Boots and Helmet are the two things NEVER to skimp on. I learned, and now have a canyon named after my broken toe in St.George. I highly recommend the Alpine Stars Tech 7's I've worn for the last few years. Super comfy, very nice and easily used buckles, very good protection and totally worth every penny I spent on them. Great video Tyler.
The rest of us think it was all worthwhile just to give that canyon a great name!!
I remember watching that video and thinking: "that's gonna hurt" when I saw your foot get munched against the stone step-up. Thanks for the practical lesson. Hope you're doing well on the East Coast, CDS.
After tearing my right foot in half at only 15 MPH while wearing a light dual sport boot I can say I wholeheartedly endorse your message here! More protection is better! It was a really painful and expensive lesson, I haven't ridden in anything other than my Alpinestars Tech 5's/7's since!
The information we really need, Great video
Thanks for the advise, I am just getting into adventure riding
+1 on the O'Neil boots. I had a pair that served me well. Cracked the plastic toe and replaced them with a pair of Alpinestars. Still, the O'Neils were a good starter boot.
Good video, very helpful. I was looking at getting the Oneils, but maybe now might set my sights on something like the tech 3.
I think he recommends the O'Neals as a good budget boot.
Thanks for the reviews and your opinions, you made some very good points and I'll continue with the motocross boots even the cheap ones over the "adventure" boots that I was thinking of buying.
Hi Tyler - Excellent advice that all riders should follow. I have two friends that suffered severe lower leg fractures from wearing adventure boots in off-road situations. Don't skimp on protective gear, but if you're on a budget, buy the ONeals, they are an amazing value.
Great advice. I almost bought some alpinestars toucan boots from someone on craigslist today. He wouldn't come down on the price and now I'm really happy
Thanks for the thorough info! Hopefully my old Alpinestars Tech 3 boots that I got used for $50 do me well.
Now this is some good info. Just getting into riding and this is the best info I have found so far.
Good video.
I think a lot of new and/or infrequent riders tend to cheap out on the important things, but don’t mind spending a fortune on things that don’t really matter.
Good boots and a good helmet are the foundation of safety for any level rider. After that, I think it’s ok (sometimes)to cut a few corners, considering the type of riding someone may be doing (Mellow dual sport riding comes to mind). As speeds increase, or conditions become more technical, the gear must rise to the level of hazard.
Very timely video for me. I ride a road bike(s) only but like the look of a particular adventure boot. I have a lot to think about now. Thanks! 🤔☺
As always thank you for the video!
I just picked up a pair of 1 month old Fox Instinct's for $100 on Craigslist. A pro racer wore them 5 times before switching sponsor's so lucky me. I was wearing a pair of steal toe pull on work boots before so I'm pumped that my lower legs/feet are protected and protected very well I might add. 👍
So much safety Sally in this video it is incredible. Gear snobs rejoice.
Good video and advice. Thanks for that.
Brilliant vid, thanks. Going to get some O'Neills!
Practical experience is like gold, here EverideBro. That 'wiggle room' concept...its basically how cars are designed with 'crush zones'...brilliant, Ty!
sarobinson56 unless you already wear a size 13 good idea but kinda impossible lol.
Also boots with laces can get the laces tangled up on the pegs, shifter, brakes, etc.
When I was shopping for offroad boots I would picture my foot inside the boot, while holding it in my hand, and imagining my 500 lb F800GSA falling on top of it. I put a lot of highly rated boot back on the shelf simply because I could tell my foot/leg would be pulverized. Ended up with the Alpinestars Tech 7s, and they have served me very well after many crashes.
Hi Ty, I just rewatched this video to convince myself to ditch the Forma Adventure for a Trans Europa Trails trip through the East European Balkan countries. The Alpinestars Tech 7 Enduro Drystar are on my wishlist. Keep it up, love your channel.
I've only just seen this Ty, excellent video and completely agree! I've been doing a big informal kind of research of user reviews and even the mighty Sidi Crossfires seem to be dropping in quality lately, although not in every case of course. The Gaerne SG12 appears to be the only brand still made completely in Italy and has the highest approval rating by far... unfortunately it's the most expensive too. 😢
I switched to the Garnae SG 12. Mostly because I have freakishly large calves. Only one that really fit me... It’s a great boot.
Sidi crossfires,Gaurne sg 10 or 12s or Alpinestars worth the extra money. This is solid advice..great vid!
I think the Gaerne GX-1s are good for budget minded people, too.
Great vid, thanks.
Make more videos like this, please - honest, authentic reviews and feedback based on your actual experience and testing. More videos, I say! Keep up the great work :-)
Good advice. I own a pair of MSR's, not much used now, as they are too hard and dangerous to walk in on steep sandstone cliffs. I tend to ride to good hiking places, so now wear lace-up ropers. All a compromise on what you want to achieve. Thanks!
I have forma adventure lows. They are funky to walk in so definitely more stiff than a hiking boot. But next time im getting real MX boots and saving the forma for road touring
I love my Aipinestar Corizols, they are comfy and feel pretty protective. They do make some noise when walking, I should probably oil them or something.
I’m glad you put this content out here. I wanted a pair of adventure boots but you convinced me otherwise.
Recently watched my KLIM adventure boots bite the dust with commuting daily - not even an adventure!! Bought some of the top of the line Alpinestar boots - super heavy duty but hurts my fingers to clamp them on at times lol
It looks like you are having a pretty good day, Tyler, especially since you areperched over some funky boots. 😆 I’m keeping you in my thoughts and prayers, brother.
13:20 - I complete agree. It doesn't take much to break a foot, just the wrong decision at the right angle.
I've got the o'neal riders. they were my first boot, and are around 6 years old now. about 1.5 years after I got them, I went down on a sandy dirt road corner. The bike landed on my right calf right near the muffler. Those boots definitely saved me from a significant burn to my leg. Once they wear out, I'll upgrade, but for now with the lower amount that I wear them, they still wear like new.
Have O'Neal boots also. Mine have lasted 10 years. Recently decided to buy another pair.
I like the adventure style boots, especially for walking, but the thing that nagged at me was that many aren’t really that far removed from a hiking boot or work boot. I split the difference got some of the Terra EVO’s with the plastic side braces.
SIDI Crossfire's anyone? I wear mine for everything, every style of bike, every style of riding. Indestuctible.
I have Sidi cross fires, i have replaced the sole with new trials bike soles. That combo is perfect for me. A former trials rider, those give me great grip when i need it most, slippery mud on or off the bike. They haven't gotten chewed up as much as i had feared on my aggressive pegs. If they do, I have a second set ready to go!!!!
So I have Astars tech 8, very similar to the fly racing boot featured. It is a bit cumbersome, but I got mine for $60 secondhand. Super armored and well worth all of the concessions of size and comfortability.
Great vid Tyler! Alpinesrars Tech 7 and Corozal. Alpinestars Corozal has a lot mx baked into it. I can thank these boots for a few walk away and ride days.
Friend of mine washed out the front on a gravel road and put the brake pedal right through the side (near the sole) of his Corozal's and ended up with a boot full of blood. Had to drive him to the hospital. He doesn't wear the Corozals any more - I think he went to the Tech 7's. Likely just a freak accident, but went to full-on MX boots now. I wear Gaerne SG12's - I feel they are the best you can get period. Some may argue the Sidi Crossfire's match them, but I think they are just 1 step below the Gaerne's.
I recently bought the Tourmaster Trailblazers and they're advertised as "ADV" boots. I can see now their shortcomings but the soles are extremely rigid so I use them for low-level, non-aggressive, "basic training"; MSF type work, but in the dirt and gravel. It's gonna be awhile before I'm "adventuring".
I have the O'Neil Rider boots, I kind of hate them. I don't have any feel for what the controls are doing and the toe box is so high I have a hard time getting my toe under the shifter. My boot looks a little different than yours, I wonder if they changed the design.
The half boots were originally designed for pit bike riding if i remember right. In fact I had a pair for my crf50 due to how confined everything is on it.
I have a hard time shifting with full boots. Are your ankle supposed to be able move up and down or do you shift with your leg?
👍 solid advice!
Wore combat boots, ones I was issued before when I deployed to Iraq, and almost broke my foot on the peg when I went down. The things you need are a stiff sole, ankle crush protection, and it needs to come up enough to keep your foot from twisting. Without that last one you could end up with a torn or damaged tendon or ligament in the ankle.
I would also suggest knee guards that brace as well to prevent an injury to your ACL and meniscus.
I blame my Tech7 for messing up my knee no knee braces so yes good boots you also should get knee braces
You weren't wearing your pt belt were you. Tsk tsk. SAFETY BRIEF.
Totally agree…
Went straight for Astars tech 7’s.. ya it isn’t cheap but … a broken foot or whatever is so much worse..
Shifting is a little weird but I adjusted the shifter linkage to make it easier… my legs and feet are far more important than a little weird shift that I will get used to in about a week of riding.
Thanks!!!
I bought O’Neal adventure boots went down and luckily only sprang my ankle. Just got the leatt 5.5s rode them yesterday and they felt a lot safer and very comfortable.
Yup, when I bought my DR650 I was looking at the usual Forma Adventure or Boulder boots.
One single ride in the rough and I ordered a pair of Sidi X-3 Enduros.
You are a mad man. I know where you took that spill in Mohab. Very famous place . I also ride the drzs . I would never even think about dropping in to that hot tub. Thanks for that story. I'm not wearing the proper foot wear and I know it. I'm shopping for boots . And was thinking about the adventure style one..thanks for your advice. I'm going to step it up and get something with more armor. Great video.
Love your content, only thing I'd suggest if possible is the wide screen option. When I open up the wide screen I miss a lot on top and bottom of your videos 😅 keep up the good content though 👍🏼
You can always use an awl or drill screw hole out and ut rivets in your adventure boot buckle holes. Also I'm very particular about boots and I still think a 10-in or so boot with a steel toe and steel shank is good for a lot of situations. On a longer off-road trip I'd bring some easy to compact lightweight camp shoes to wear when off the bike. My problem with those dirt bike boots is it's hard to find them in wide sizes. If you're going to get off your bike and hike and all you bring is lightweight camp shoes you also risk injuring yourself that way however so if you have the space you might as well bring proper hiking boots for that as well. I personally like the really thick soled adventure boots that won't give you the fatigue of the flexible ones but aren't quite as bad as the hardest dirt bike boots and ones like SIDI with gortex all the way up are most practical to me.
any thoughts on the alpinestar belize? thinking about getting a pair for firetrail type riding.
great video Tyler...lots of detail and practical explanations....bottom line....don't go cheap on you boots people!
Ugh. I just bought the Forma ADV boots Low version... 😭. I prefer them to my Alpine Stars Tech 3’s... but your video makes sense... guess I need to just suck it up and break in A-Stars and get used to riding in them and return the Formas
I hear what you are saying. However due to my age, 67, and some muscle wasting in my calves I am not sure I would be able to shift gears with them at all ever. So not sure what to do.
Maybe using foot prints insole will reduce fatigue. Have you thought about Covering the toe region with LINE-X?
Most important thing about mx boots is to break them in by hand flexing them for a few hours first !!! Makes a huge difference in compliance.
which of those boots is the best to wear for road touring?
A friend broke his foot at a round about falling off, so Ive had great boots since. Ive got Alpine star racetech road boots with inner mechanical boot, which is great, and alpine star Tech 8's, which are tanks. Ive fallen in both, the tech8s quite a few times, the bikes landed on me, squashed it between rocks and the bike.. i just get up, dust myself off (again) and keep going.
I was going to get a pair of Alpinestars Toucan Boots for this year, but the Sidi Adventure 2 boots appeared to offer more features at a better price, so I'll be giving them a go this season.
I’d like some Sidi Boots. I just need to pony up the bits to buy them. Forma Adventure for now.
@@pinkiepie1656 they've been working out good, but are still quite stiff, making shifting a little more effort than I prefer.
This is my choice. It is among a small handful of "adventure" boots that offer legitimate offroad protection. They still don't protect like a pair of quality MX boots, which I also have, but if you need to walk much and/or wear them several days then they're a great choice.
What do you think about the terra forma boots?
Quality gear is priceless - fork out the cash and ride protected... so you can ride tomorrow too!
I've rammed my Alpinestar Tech 5s into a 2" thick root sticking out of the trench-wall on a single track... I hit it so hard my gut told me something was injured. Nope, I was perfectly fine and in awe.
Some people look at me sideways for wearing a Leatt Fusion chest protector with the built in neck brace (for trail riding, no track)... I've hit a couple trees and walked away without neck, chest or shoulder injuries.
Knee guards or braces are a must as well, can't tell you how many times I've fallen with my knee dropping directly on a rock and just stood back up like nothing happened.
On ride days it's top of the lins s
Sidi mx boots, the only time I will where less is on trail work days with lots of hiking.
Nice video. The problem is for riders like me with wide feet (EEEE). Currently for the road I use Klim Outlander GTX Boot. Has a wide toe box and have ridden several 500 mile days in them. Not a boot to ride off road. I did a search for wide boots for riding in the dirt and according to web site Motor Gear Expert the best boot for wide feet is the Gaerne SG10 at $404.99 on Amazon. Not easy on the motorcycling budget. If any of you know of more budget friendly option, please let me know. As always have fun but stay safe.
Boots are essential, I went for a short offroad ride with street touring boots and ended up with torn ankle ligaments. This year I bought Sidi adventure, because of good ankle protection. There are plenty good shoes much cheaper, just pay attention that ankle protection would have some mechanical joints and you'll stay on the safe side.
Thanks for this. We're moving to Utah in August and I need my first pair or off-road boots for riding my DR650.
I'll have to go to Rocky Mountain ATV MC to try stuff on and I don't feel like spending $400+ on boots.
well, isn´t each off your feets worth more than 200 bucks?
That is the question I would ask myself, especialyl offraod.
buddy slid some meters on ashpalt, wearing jus skater schoes.
shredded his ankle.
no matter how much surgery, he will never be able to walk normally again.
All because he felt it was "too warm" to put on the 300€ boots, which he also owned.
@@eberbacher007 yes they are. I have nice TCX Explorer Evo gore tex boots but obviously they're not good for off-road. They have high CE ratings though, but those or for the street.
I was thinking about going with something in the AStars Tech lineup. I've spent plenty on MC gear but I think I should be able to get good MX boots in the $250-350 range.
Great points to consider , although I wouldn’t call “the hot tub” in Moab typical adventure riding.
I remember that crash.. and actually, at the time I was wearing hiking boots just like the ones you show here. Of coarse the Yamoto I was on did not weigh nearly as much as the DRZ and I was not as brave as other riders are.
Oh man, doing an enduro trip through Vietnam. Lots of trails and off-road, on a DRZ400. Was just about to pull the trigger on some less protective, more comfortable boots (the TCX Drifters) because the moto boots I’ve tried are so stiff (I realize this is intentional).
Now your story about being on the DRZ and almost crushing your leg has me rethinking not getting a pure moto boot! Arrrge. Haha.
I've been looking high and low but I can't seem to get a solid answer. What brands or models have a wide (EE) fit? "Just go and try a bunch!" I would but I'm pretty far from any motorcycle gear store and it's looking like I'll have to order from revzilla. On a side note, why don't manufacturers list width?
I have the same msr boots. I hate them! I wore them on a 1k trip and ended up with blisters on the inside of my ankles. Mine have a circular pad and that rubbed my ankle bone. They suck to walk in and they suck to ride in. The buckles would slip and then loosen up. Good review sir!!
I bought some expensive riding boots that will protect me from injury but I just can't feel the shift lever and get missed shifts. Also on my KLR I have an extended shift lever and its still hard to get that almost $300 boot in to shift. Just no feel to it.
i just got some berik mega adventure boots which are comparable with the oneal boots in your video armor wise and i cant walk in them (especially going downstairs is a hassle) and i dont feel anything of my foot controls, the stock footpegs of my DR650 feel like they are as thin as a knife blade but i know its worth it. they are not the best boots out there but my friend gave them to me for 160€ used with dirtbike pants and shirt because its better than my road boots i had before.
feels like i need to buy footpegs to ever get a solid stand on the bike. is there a trick to get used to it faster?
that Oneal boot saved my ankle when I pinned it in between a tree and my bike going up a hill climb!
I have a pair of alpinestars and crashed in the mountains. My feet and ankles were fine but blew out my right knee that took out a little sapling.
I bought my 690 and I figured I could manage with my Aussie Steel toe Blundstone boots. I was riding on a trail and I decided to change trails and I didn't have enough momentum which resulted in my front tire on a bit of a hill between trails. I couldn't reach the ground and by the time I could the back rack of my bike came down the back of my leg. It hurt bad but. I thought not a big deal. I rode all day and pretty much every other day for the next month. I initially had a couple nights of rough sleeping and the bruising went from top of my calf to the heel of my foot. At about a month and a half after the injury I ended up in the hospital wondering if I was going to loose my leg or worse because of the infection. The rub of my bike separated the flesh from the blood supply and was then necrotizing on my leg. I am ok and riding again after 6 months of dealing with wound care, I have a leg that looks like a shark attacked it and it would never have happened if I had the proper boots in the first place. Get good boots!
I love my Alpinestar tech 7 enduro boots! (The newer style) the old ones were hard stiff and heavy
Holgrinator are your boots also super noisy when walking around?
Yeah they squeak bad. My nieces call them my squeaky squawkers. But they're relatively comfy and offer good protection. Plus I have huge calves and not many other brands fit and close at the top.
Holgrinator good to know I’m not the only squeaker.
Use tech 7s if you want low cost and better feel and flexibility, or tech 10s for more protection
You might want to check out the a* corozals and toucans , they are effectively waterproof dirt boots .
Thanks you!
I have a pair of Sidi FLex Force boot that I bought back in about 2001 / 2002. I love them, but they are about due for replacement.
How do you set up your shift lever for those boots
What “version” are the Fly TCX boots there are a few differing.
So... You're saying that those of us with big calves that cannot close full height moto boots should do what instead of wearing the shorter version? I ride with the Alpine Stars Belize for that reason.
Think you need to check your Amazon listings some items no longer available
Haven't gone offroad yet on my new DR650 so can't comment on that . Did get a nice pair of Falco Avanture boots . They are stiffer than those MSR boots you have also a bit taller with more internal and external protection . They do flex forward but do stop .
When I know I will be in harsher terrain then a step up in protection is in order .
@@gbner9991
Yeah I still have them but haven't really had too many chances to put them to the test . All I needed was a good pair of arch support insoles . Next spring early summer I should have more miles on and offroad experience . Whatever you do do not skimp on protective gear . We only have one body so do everything you can to help keep it in one piece .
@@gbner9991
Same reason I got those boots . Just be careful when you undo the velcro . A couple times I was hasty and scratched my finger on the hard plastic raspy area that helps in a slide or whatnot . Dang that caught me by surprise . They need no break in time that I remember .
I wear my Tech 3’s for everything, I’m going to a stiffer boot when I replace them though.
I had Tech 3's for years and was very happy with them until they finally needed to be replaced. I found a sale on Tech 7's and will never go back. Over all a more comfortable boot and the buckles are a much higher quality. My only complaint about the Tech 3's was after a hard days ride I never had the hand strength to pop the buckles and often just did the top 2 and just yanked off the boot. The tech 7's buckles are super easy to undo.
That's right, Tyler. I bent my foot backwards messing around on my dirt bike while in my street boots. They are just plain useless for protection. I use work boots much stiffer for street riding now. And the O'Neill's for dirt riding.
With this video as context, what do you think of the Gaerne Dakar boots? They seem to hit all your protection criteria for off-road boots but are definitely lesser than a true motocross boot. How little protection is too little?
It's interesting here that many are saying don't skimp on boots but are looking at midline boots like Tech 7, Tech 3 or Fly etc ... Basically a top of the line boot will have a hinge maybe a bootie and be really well built.
I fractured my ankle riding offroad while wearing a adventure type boots. No ankle protection what so ever. I am using tech 7 and fallen off many times, ankle just fine.
I agree with the majority of your video. Personally I wear the Forma adventure boot. I understand a motocross boot offers more protection but I am willing to give up some protection for comfort. You are 100 % correct about the stiffness of the sole. Makes a huge difference when standing on the pegs. You said the street boot was fine for the street . I have a pair very similar to those. In reality a street crash will probably be more violent due to the speed and being on pavement. So We all make compromises. We all should be wearing neck braces and only Snell rated helmets but we all don’t. So I guess my main complaint is there are many adventure boots that are way better than the ones you had. I wouldn’t lump all adventure boots in the same category. Keep up the great videos and do you do adventure bike tours in Utah ?
Im generally a 10 Wide shoe and wear an 11 Bike boot. I agree with the shin guards fitting much better a boot size bigger and the toe smash room.
I use tge xpd boots on road and they are great for on road but if you have beefy calves like I do they wont fit well.