I'm looking forward to this one , Narcissism and the victim martyr narrative through various lenses is what has always gone wrong with society and always will , thinking you're good or doing good but in fact is the antithesis because of Narcissism
Anyone who says they can't get totally behind anyone else's ideology is a breath of fresh air. Too many people blindly follow certain people without questioning anything they say.
My godfather was an NYC homicide detective in the 70’s and 80’s, at a time when such a position could be achieved without a degree in criminal justice or the scientific aspects of crime. He solved quite a few high profile and even famous cases all through a combination of street smarts, intuition, and common sense. In today’s world, he’d barely rise above writing parking tickets. He feels that most major crimes in the Western world don’t get solved these days because they replaced men like him with woke college educated officers who couldn’t solve a crossword puzzle, much less a murder with little to no evidence prior to DNA technology.
The problem is, that in today's world - there's a complete lack of that combination of street smarts, intuition, and common sense your grandfather obviously possessed in the demographic who don't have the same employment opportunities he had. They're all brainwashed on social media and cossetted from life experience on every level - and actively avoidant of anything that might take them away from TikTok for five minutes. I know some kids still travel - but not to the extent I did at their age. They're all convinced of their "mental health" crisis - a self-fulfilling prophecy monetized by all the "mental health" experts on social media. It is a closed circuit of ignorance, entitlement and apathy.
Sadly, modern education is so flooded with indoctrination that it's not the education that's needed. Our society was better off when we have people that use some basic sense and deductive reasoning to solve the problems that needed to be solved. Or basic civics in school anymore.
Please thank your godfather for his service. My brother was a police officer in the UK, now retired. His frustrations are similar. These old school law veterans are an ignored, even maligned, asset, shamefully disrespected by the modernists.
I always end stating a similar thing, an interviewer that allows for free flowing discourse without the compulsion to interrupt. I have waited for this type of platform for an age. Andrew, thank you
This is a guy who notices everything, remembers everything, and has an uncanny knack for integrating, reordering and expressing all that information. Rory can go on for hours, and it might seem like a whole string of trivial points… but taken in aggregate, and with his humor, there’s a lot of lessons in there.
He's an absolute gem, the kind of guy that starts talking to you in a pub without invitation but by the end of the evening you're buying him pints because it's just so interesting.
What a lovely chap, genuine enthusiastic talker who actually says an awful lot without you realising until he moves on to another subject 😊 it made me giggle watching you trying to find a break in his enthusiasm x
Posie also says something to the effect that milder and nuanced clearly hasn't worked and actually it's those people who have taken that approach who have helped to create the mess we're in because they've essentially been communicating to everyone that to be acceptable they too should dance around and walk on eggshells about the trans issue instead of simply coming out and telling it like it is, which would have made others feel like 'right if they can speak the truth in plain English then so can I'. This is of course my wording but it in essence captures Posie's perspective.
Yes,you're can't be mild with constant idiocy,and as men we aren't as affected by trans "men". I'm not worried about a woman dressed as a man in my private spaces or sports. I think the one thing we're are as concerned about is the effect it has on children and young people.
There are a couple of very good reasons those approaches were tried before clobbering woke with aggressive tactics like lawsuits and government policy reforms (some nations are already at the point of government intervention, such as New Zealand after it's recent landslide election to vote in a government that ran on a strong anti-woke platform). First is that we aren't generally against WHAT the woke are pushing for, we are against HOW they are doing it. As just one example, nobody reasonable cares if someone is trans, they do care about the implications of eradicating safe spaces for biological females and forcing upon our kids anti-intellectual, anti-scientific garbage about sex and gender with zero consultation of parents and the defamation of objectors. In short, people have the right to do or be what they want until it interferes with the rights of others, at which point it becomes immoral and in some cases criminal. Social and legal regulations should always adhere to the concept of maximized benefit with minimized negative impact. The powers that be haven't just abandoned this concept, they publicly wiped their asses with it. The second reason is that NOT being open to debate is a fundamental component of how critical studies operate. "Praxis" - the actual doing of a thing - is demanded by the core tenets of critical theory (yes, straight out of the communist handbook). You've likely seen it many times along the lines of "It isn't enough to be not racist, you have to be anti-racist", meaning you HAVE to engage in belligerent, aggressive activism or else you are still a racist. They aren't just totalitarian towards those they seek to cancel or silence, they are utterly authoritarian over their own as well. It would be a very bad move to bring that concept over to the sane side of the culture war because not only would we be behaving just as immorally as they are, we would be actively restricting speech, thought and behavior in the same way the woke do. All that said, I find it very hard to maintain such composure and not just wish to see the woke torn limb from limb by rabid dogs.
Neither of you has really understood why GCs have become more extreme. On the face of it, it sounds very reasonable interview more trans people. But the ideology has become so dangerous (not merely toxic) to women, children, young people, and become so deeply engrained in our institutions, that many people have begun to feel we cannot maintain any flexibility in discussing it. We cannot continue to support something which is essentially a lie.
If the state can get you to believe that a man is a women, and enforce that belief, they will try to get you to believe anything. This issue is beyond "bathrooms".
About American tipping, I have become better at standing my ground on tipping. Rewarding one for outstanding service or product is one thing, but being told how much to tip and that it is the expected formula is BS. Merchants and their help aren't being paid enough to live on, so I need to pay extra to pick up the slack. No. As long as customers keep accommodating these ridiculous rules, businesses will continue to under pay their employees.
In USA most restaurants are allowed to pay wait staff under minimum wage expecting tips to make up the difference. In some places tips are shared with managers! Tipping in USA was expected for restaurant sit down meals and hotel room cleaning staff at end of motel stay, parking attendants, bellhops who bring luggage to rooms, and airport luggage handlers at curbside. Who did I forget.
@WindTurbineSyndrome I tip the kids that help me take my groceries to the car on the days where I'm really not feeling well (chronic pain) even though the store policy states that tips are not part of their policy. If somebody is helping me out and being super kind then I'm going to show my thanks! But I think you got the basics covered with waitstaff and service staff!
@elizabethlanders9805 agreed! I love to give praise to people who work hard and step up to the plate. It's admirable and I want them to know that they are appreciated!
@@ry.butterflyI agree...Iike giving for exceptional service. Tbe person appreciates it and everybody wins. Hotel will not distribute tips to staff. I know. I am in the travel business.
@jazura2 oh wow, I didn't know that! So if you leave a tip for staff at the desk they won't get it? I usually try to give the tip directly to the person themselves but if I can't then what is the best way to ensure they get it?
I love this channel, a frequent reminder of how crazy the world is going - but also keeps me from joining the insanity through believing its the new norm
Ordinary women are becoming more angry because our language is being bastardised, as well as women being in fear every day of losing jobs, our sports, our spaces and all we see is men winning womens awards etc and kids are being lied too 😢😢😢
First, men protected women. Then women said they didn't need it. Then women took it for granted. Then women said they could beat men. They women said they were better at everything. Then women said men were useless. Then women said all men were misogynist. Then women said all men should die. Then women refused to listen to anything men said. Finally... men stopped protecting women. Then women said men were monsters for not protecting them. Then men stopped caring what women said!
I wonder what Rory Sutherland - as a marketing executive - thinks about our 'religious' cognitive dissonance: whereby we ban tobacco advertising on the Nation's TV screens; and yet have wall-to-wall advertising, to children, for GAMBLING? Is it not time for us to put the Gambling Companies back in their box?
Australia has gambling ads on TV and at the end of the ad they say "chances are, you're about to LOSE" 😂😂 Funny they never have that disclaimer at the end of state Lottery ads though.
@@aidananstey9848 Exactly. There was a time when gambling - like lying - was regarded as a 'bad action'. Today both are indulged-in by the highest in the land! Relativism rules!
I think it comes from older people's unfamiliarity with technology. Most gambling nowadays is done on stock trading apps, cryptocurrencies, in video games, and it will take time for our 85 year old overlords to die and be replaced with someone who knows how to send an email, who may be able to understand these issues and create sensible policies.
Being "extremely critical" of something is NOT the same thing as being in some way socially or politically "extreme." Kelly-Jay Keene definitely IS extremely critical of so-called "gender ideology," and rightly so. So am I: so should we all be.
Regarding Mr. Rorys story about his brother and consumer decisions, there is a book called "The Paradox of Choice," and is about this very phenomenon. About how too many choices can lead to paralysis. If you have too many choices, it can leave you with the anxiety that you may have not made the right one. As opposed, if you only have 2 options, the chances of you making the incorrect choice are significantly reduced. Also as a disabled person I agree with his point about people thinking they can speak for other groups. People thinking they can speak for disabled people if offensive and patronizing, and is further pushing us into invisibility. They usually don't know disabled people, the needs and issues we face. This is further made worse by the wheelchair token. When the majority of disabled people aren't in a wheelchair. For one, we aren't a race or community. A person with cystic fibrosis doesn't relate anymore to the blind more than anyone else.
There's another way that having choices can lead to paralysis, and that is that you have to educate yourself about what the choices mean, and then whether you care about them. I remember the first time I went to the US, and I went to a coffee shop with a friend. When my turn came, the barista pelted me with a barage of questions about type of bean, type of roast, type of milk etc. Most of these I actually had no opinion about so I started asking the barista about the choices. I could sense the frustration from the people in line behind me, so in the end I just gave random answers. The coffee was perfectly decent, so I wasn't paralysed by the idea that my choices had been "wrong", just that I was being forced to make choices I didn't care about.
@@Guzunderstrop Yes, it's presumed that having a wide variety of choices is automatically a good thing. It isn't, informed choice is. Having a choice when you don't know the pros and cons is pointless, no matter how many options you have. Your story is similar to what my partners parents experienced in the US concerning ordering a breakfast. The options concerning JUST what the fried egg was cooked in started with what type of oil. They answered olive oil presuming that would be it, but no. Green or black olives? Italian Greek or Spanish? Light or virgin? It soon got very tiresome for them having to chose every little trivial thing.
This is something that makes me very angry. People worry about a word being some kind of ist but are silent about minority children being killed in Chicago from gang violence. They worry about a team name while the drug cartels invade American Indian Reservations. They can’t get any more police hired because of all the bureaucracy. There are five or six government agencies that oversee the reservations, they don’t work together and you can’t get anything done. If you want to help fix that.
I agree. Real issues are complex. Feds with all their insane need to keep all our digital data stored at NSA but real problems Americans experience are neglected or ignored. always money for war. The local police like the public schools are funded by town tax dollars. In my town they bought police all electric vehicle police cars at great expense. They don't work they constantly break down take forever to fix and they want gas powered ones but the town said no. So we have 5 working squad cars on road 24 hrs a day for a 50 sq mile town. We have to make changes locally. We have no power in Washington.
The problem with trigger warnings today is,they're warning people like students about things that they should be able to withstand like opinions. Great interview, I'd definitely like a pint or four with Rory!
Its not my responsibility to warn someone else's emotional sensitivities. An adult should be able to discern those things by themselves. I remember watching a video on reddit about a car accident & it showed the video. Someone in the comments said "You should have had a TRIGGER WARNING! I'm TRAUMATIZED" & the response was "well, it says in the TITLE "FATAL car accident, you should have assumed from the title it was NSFW". Freaking ridiculous.
Wow Rory can talk. In a good way. My brain is 10 minutes behind him processing what he says. Great channel allowing the guest to talk. Thank you Andrew. Keep up the great content. I’m a fan and recommend your channel to others.
So you aren’t a capitalist… Nor have you ever worked in the service industry. Demonstrated effort, attentiveness, and being pleasant = MORE money. I assure you that a drive through worker will never have the same incentive as a server who NEEDS to provide good service to make good money. Other than Japan- not sure where in East Asia I’d praise for their treatment of workers…
@@Smashthemadnessif you receive bad service in a US restaurant you're still expected to tip. In Ireland where tipping is not as prominent you (usually) get good service
Andrew @ ~1:03:40 he doesn't like tipping, and would rather go to a hotel that cost more without needing to tip housekeeping etc. I've heard multiple examples from U.S. and Canada of restaurants saying just that, no tipping, we pay our staff more, you pay a little more. I see a story when they open and then again a few months later when they close.
Rory is such an absolute character, isn't he!? You couldn't put a word in edgeways Andrew 🤣 All those questions you had prepared went out of the window: Rory follows his own train of thought. Another great episode, thank you! ❤
@@elizabethlanders9805Doug Kramer on Dazed But Not Confused, smoked on air...before he recently died- from smoking....says the girl with the ciggy in her hand...
This is SO HOW this "movement" has also become So fucking annoying...self-interest without a dab of enlightenment. I object to anyone's insistence upon me that I comply...but when someone quietly goes about something unique, I'll respect it all day!
I feel like English people do use Yiddish. It seems fairly common to hear words like schmooze, glitch, nosh...schmaltzy. I hear people say "kosher" as well as a way of suggesting something is right or wrong, or even a bit off: "that doesn't seem quite kosher".
I was born and brought up in Cambridge (England) and didn’t realise how many Yiddish words I use til moved to Scotland. They understand most of the words I use on the Isle of Islay where I now live but I get a very puzzled look if I use the expression ‘Stay schtum’
Destroying land ownership with taxes is anti-conservation, anti-agriculture, and destructive of social stability. Without attachment to land, people lose their attachment to community.
@@differentname5867the distinction Rory coined here is unnecessary. It's less about whether the economy is "creative" or not, it's about whether free market competition exists or not. Where the economy is controlled by very few entities, ie. monopoly or oligopoly, lack of competition makes the economy exploitive, and it already has a name, crony capitalism. Crony capitalism can happen to markets of scarce resources as well as markets of creative products.
@@YummyFoodOnlyPlz I don't think we should destroy land ownership. But it would make a lot of sense to reduce income tax and increase taxes on landlords.
Destroying land ownership as if it's a bad thing? Please. It needs democratising. When 1% of the UK population owns over 70% of the land, tell me how that builds community? The only socially stability it gives is to keep the rich stable at their level on the top of society
This the first encounter I've had with Rory Sutherland and have to say I'm impressed with his pragmatic yet still nuanced views. He makes a great point about problem solving and argument winning are two very distinct skill sets that often don't overlap, yet we put the argument winners in charge of solving problems.
Rory is both an interviewer’s dream and nightmare. He’s fascinating and overflowing with great information and insights, but he will just talk and not allow others to get a word in, or he’ll cut them off and is quite unintentionally rude.
@@YvonneBrisbaneI want to push this one through but I’m only 6 minutes in and already having a hard time. **edit Literally one minute later he had me. That was funny because super same and relatable. I’ll stick with it now.
@tinkercat8268 yes that would be why you were reading the comments. I did the same thing. Good luck and good on you for opening your mind watching and listening to interesting conversations.
With respect Rory, your Peter Sutcliffe story is wrong. The police were alerted to his car due to false number plates and then he couldn’t tell them the name of his female companion who in fact was a sex worker and would’ve been his next victim. After the cops had got him out of the car, he told them he needed a wee. He went in the bushes and dumped his killing tools, a knife, hammer and rope, so when the police searched his car they didn’t find anything. He was arrested that night for the offences. Back at the cop shop the police realised his likeness to the Yorkshire Ripper and began questioning him about that. The officers returned to the scene and found the tools he’d dumped the night before. I’m a true crime fan and have a special interest in serial killers so I had to set the record straight. As always I thoroughly enjoyed the whole episode and all the topics covered. I love the purple jacket Andrew! ❤
jojo you're absolutely correct. I vividly remember these details about the arrest of Peter Sutcliffe as well. Also, this was an episode with two wonderfully coloured jackets in it!
American companies won’t distribute the extra money to their low skilled workforce unless and until they are forced to. This is why the minimum wage hasn’t risen and tipping culture is still in force
Minimum wage doesn't rise where there is a high competition for jobs (cheap labor.). What causes cheap labor? Illegals being allowed to flood across the border. The more people searching for the same jobs, the less those people will get paid. Supply and demand is basic economics.
Well it's more complicated than that. Back in 90s free trade agreements and push for globalism meant many manufactured moved to China and overseas. The only jobs available now are part time sales or retail jobs where the schedule changes weekly no guarantee if hours but unable to take a second job with hours shifting. No unions no opportunity to advance, no benefits. Many states are pegged to a minimum wage that was never adjusted for inflation. Work for hire laws meant workers had zero job security and were at the mercy of management. where I live aging workforce means elderly must work part time to pay their bills, their property tax. Social security they worked for thirty years ago is too low to live on today it's a third of what one person needs to live in a year. So there are lots of issues with the work force. Amazon has nothing but disdain for workers the govt finally explained to the corporate heads their business model meant they would have to hire every single person in America five times. They had no interest in long term employment that was their business model.
Top points for letting this guy speak and ramble a bit. He was fascinating to listen to and far too many interviewers feel the need to interrupt every 10 seconds. Great interview.
Amusing. A change from sometimes dull, other times irritating stuff that too often comes my way. A bit of humour makes a pleasant diversion or distraction from angry, holier than thou behaviour.. He reminds me of my brother, William, on a good day. I did Philosophy at Manchester. The department, which was closed down in the 1990s had an interesting history. The rift between real philosophy and relativist negative philosophers has long caused immense disputes across the country. Like the restaurant anecdote... it taught me more than what it could possibly do in the work itself. This applied particularly in the late 1970s. The dismantling of philosophy has been a social catastrophe.. the fact virtually no one was aware of what was happening is telling.
Found your channel a few days ago, have been steadily working through it. Absolute A+ content. You're going to be hitting 1 Million subs before the years done easily. Keep up the fantastic work!!
Two book recommendations for Sutherland (which I actually think he will enjoy if he has not read them already): 1) 'Superforecasters' by P. Tetlock, 2) 'Rationality' by S. Pinker. 'Superforecasters' very lucidly addresses precisely the sort of problem situation in which we have imperfect information and want to arrive at quantitative probability estimates. There are several important aspects to this. Firstly, historical "reference classes" for the kind of event being forecasted provide a lot of information: how rare is event-type A given B? Secondly, a lot of "Fermi estimation" is used - here you calculate a more complex numerical estimate using a series of simpler estimates, in hope that the errors in the sub-estimates will tend to balance out. Thirdly, forecasters are encouraged to regularly practice making quantitative probabilistic predictions that quantify their degrees of subjective credence, and using the feedback to "calibrate" themselves; it turns out people can get quite good at this, as measured by metrics of forecasting quality such as Brier-scores. But really the whole panoply of critical thinking skills are relevant to forecasting - good forecasters are unusually vigilant against bias, logical, and they often think explicitly in Bayesian terms, or make use of statistical techniques are mathematical modelling. The general point is that the task of trying to reduce the complex and fuzzy world of grey uncertainties to precise numerical probabilities is not hopeless, and can actually be done with some success by those practiced in the relevant skills. But a pre-requisite - or, at least, a great aid - for developing these skills is being able to solve the kinds of "stupid" problems you will find in maths textbooks or logic puzzles where, implausibly, all of the information is available. Sutherland is quite right that this is a fairly different art from that practiced by research scientists, but it is the sort of thinking that is valuable in fields such as finance. Pinker's 'Rationality' is a delightful book from which anyone can learn something. It is an excellent primer on some of the issues I have already mentioned - Bayesian inference, cognitive biases, basic statistics, etc. It also has a very good discussion of "decision theory", which, in conjunction with probabilistic thinking, deals in a systematic way with the problem of decision-making under uncertainty. If we make use of Bayesian thinking and optimal decision theory, we can be more precise about the sorts of questions which interest Sutherland - how much weight should we give to surprising new information? what should our evidential threshold for criminal investigations be? etc.
The jackets are incredible in this episode! Your view on tipping was really interesting. I grew up in America, so I'm used to the tipping culture. However, I understand your point about the inauthenticity of the "customer service" face. I think the switch from "customer service" to "resting" face may not be as strange to us, because lots of us have had customer service jobs (unless your family has money). We understand how much energy it takes to sell and give good service, so we're not really shocked by people needing to go back to their resting face. I think it might also be why we don't mind tipping a large amount if the service is good. We kind of remember being that person, so there's a small human-to-human solidarity present that can make people feel good to tip. I say "we" here, but of course I can't speak for everyone. There's Americans who hate the tipping culture, too, for the very reasons you stated.
Andrew, the Hotel/Restaurant is NOT going to distribute to the staff. They will trouser your money. In NYC min wage is $15/hour & not enough to live on anywhere & THAT is what staff will earn without tipping.
Sure they will, employers will pay whatever is needed to keep employees as long as it still makes sense for them too. But, they wouldn't pay more than it would cost to replace them. It seems people can't quite get past the notion that while you may think your time is worth a wage you can raise a family on, if there is a teenager that can do your job just as well for less it really isn't worth what you think it is.
Just to answer you, I know about chutzpah and schlepping and a smattering of Jewish words and phrases. I'm a Scottish Protestant in London. My flatmate 1990 to 92 taught me, but most people I know understand quite a bit. Also, coincidentally, I have just acquired Seinfeld seasons 1--6 for a re-watch.
troubleshooting a person (as a pretty good troubleshooter myself) takes association. Through compassion and empathy one can attempt to try to associate with another and in that association both agree to the causality of an issue to then be able to resolve it. As an IT tech I have found most of the time I am helping the person with the PC and not the PC with the person.
'The skill you need to solve problems and the skill you need to win arguments, they're not the same skill.' That sounds like what Plato said in The Republic. “In politics we presume that everyone who knows how to get votes knows how to administer a city or a state. When we are ill… we do not ask for the handsomest physician, or the most eloquent one.” As I've seen it translated elsewhere, the problem with democracy is that it elects people who are skilled at winning elections, not people who are skilled at governing.
I was a cocktail bartender in both UK & NYC & I LOVE the USA tipping system. Waiters & bar staff in NYC are World Class & many are Uni Grads & aspiring artists & actors.
Anecdotal = real world experience. Which is more real than an accumulation of data collected with bias. I never understand and ALWAYS laugh when people try to dismiss any input as insignificant by labelling it anecdotal. They think it makes them appear smart but I really think it makes someone look terribly stupid.
Great interview. My sides were splitting when your guest kept talking over you and you were like ‘shut up’ and he says JC. Hilarious. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Your heretic channel is usually far above my head. I listen and sometimes learn something I’ve never thought abt before. Other times I don’t understand a word.
It's ridiculous how bad it is. Many towns do not want to offer/build public toilets and water fountains because of cost. But I didn't realize it was a human rights issue. In downtown Los Angeles there were no public toilets anywhere only Target and Union station.
You can walk into any bar, restaurant, hotel or Department store in NYC and use their bathrooms. My favourites used to be, the Plaza hotel and the Harvard club.
Andrew maybe you should try being a waiter or a porter. I don't think you would make it through one shift. These types of jobs are difficult and you have to deal with a lot of crap from people. Customers who understand this tip well. There is no way that certain businesses can pick up the slack of good tippers. In turn if you don't receive good service then you tip low or not at all, that sends a hard message to the worker.
"The skill you need to solve problems and the skill you need to win arguments are not the same skill" Rory Sutherland. I've been trying to explain this to people for years... Alas, I'm not great at and don't enjoy argument...I'm not clear it solves any problems!
Arguments are composed of word games tied to premises as Rory says, by axioms. Arguments are entirely abstract, fundamentally they can include almost any wacky idea. One distinction I like to make is that while Arguments are abstract, problems exist in reality, solutions exist in reality too. If you're lucky their solutions are within an accessible search space, and the process of finding solutions is traversing that search space.
In a Radio Times survey Seinfeld was voted the best comedy series but still the BBC would not schedule it properly because they are idiots. When I phoned to complain about all the times it was summarily cancelled to make way for the bloody snooker the snooty guy on the other end of the line said "It only has a small, niche audience." It was the most successful and popular TV comedy series in America! It would have been in Britain if it had been on Channel 4 and treated with the respect that Channel 4 treated Friends and Frasier.
Not totally sure but : we were in the EU for a while. They discouraged foreign TV inorder to promote local productions. Note ... Australian and US shows disappeared. But cooking programs thrived as they were cheap. Yes they were that petty.
In Medicine, we regard anecdotal evidence, very highly in the form of case reports. If a patient has an unusual presentation of a certain disease, or if an unusual treatment worked on a patient, we write about it and publish it for our colleagues. Unfortunately, the case report has fallen out of a favor, and larger journals have put a premium on randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled clinical trials, which are important knowledge their own right, but lack the hypothesis-generating power of a case report.
Of course there's a premium of double blind randomised trials. They're evidence that something works. Generating ideas for something to test (anecdotes,) is pretty easy. There are way more anecdotes than we have time to test for ..
Canadian here. Finding safe and clean public washrooms in major cities isn't all that easy, actually. Lots of places to stop along major highways, but walking around downtown Toronto? Nah.
I've got a hydrotherapy hot tub and it's brilliant. I suffer with horrific muscular pain and it genuinely helps. To me, it's one of the best purchases I've ever made although if I didn't suffer with pain I wouldn't have purchased one.
I love listening to Rory talk just because. He'd be a fabulous person to have a drink with in the evening in front of a fire and chat all evening about ideas.
as much as i usually like the hear the guests talk, you are one of the ones where i like listening to the host too, but this guy won't let you get a word in.
There was already a system of warnings on films, it was called a rating G PG etc. No need for constant "trigger" warnings. Very annoying constant "trigger" warning which now "triggers" me.
This is thoroughly enjoyable : by the way since the public loos have disappeared one may use lavatories in cafes etc they are required to let you use them
I took your suggestion. This morning, I started to read Crime and Punishment. You are right. It's a page turner! I loved it from the first page. I loved -It's deviant to not back into a parking space. Haha.
I can see why people mind tips being a social expectation. But on the other hand its practically the only avenue left for unskilled work increase baseline income and the only one that people skills is valued. Remove tipping from restaurants and the priority will become efficiency instead of pleasing customers. No refills, brusk service, rushing out the current table to make room for more even when its not busy, etc. I go to restaurants to have a nice experience not to be the 1 million customer served.
It’s guests like this that make me so glad to be subscribed here. A bit of a weird flex but I’ve just finished up with Adam Smith and David Ricardo so the ideas presented here made so much sense, especially the idea that there’s been a sort of rug pull moment where the capitalist and the landlord are conflated. I’d be interested to hear what Rory thinks on Ricardo’s idea that the landlord sets the price through rent based on land value, that is the worst quality land pays no rent but the labour costs are very high, the most productive land meanwhile has the highest rent which equalises the cost of goods.
Another great video, lots of information in one podcast. Rory seems a very interesting chap, I'd love to have a chat with him, I think I could learn a lot! Keep up the good work Andrew.
I understand what he says about tipping culture but the reality is - a lot of people don’t have the extra money to keep tipping everyone for good service. We may just have enough “for the thing” so next time out service will go down because they know we don’t ‘tip well’
As a kid my teacher wrote “[Rocky] is a pleasant scatter brain inclined to be rather talkative”. - I think she would have made the same comment about Rory.
Narcissism is the problem. Raised by narcissist parents and married a covert one. The sooner people who know about narcissist speak up the better. Education is the key to the way out of this.
The reason that TV advertising appears next to more graphic material than youtube advertising is because when commercial TV began in the UK, the government was concerned that advertisers would exercise control over the content of broadcasts as they already did in the US, so the sale of adverts was restricted to sale of advertising packages to be shown at the discretion of the broadcaster (this is also why sponsorship was not permitted until the 1990s). CZcams defaults to the American system where advertisers have full control and naturally the government is too spineless and ineffectual to bring it into line with established British broadcasting practices.
It's great to hear Rory advocating Georgism. We could settle so many political debates if we distinguished between productive business and exploitative rent-seeking.
Seinfeld wildly popular and NOT a Jewish special! Where are you getting that from? Definitely a New York/metro NY area thing, but not just Jewish. Jerry was the only Jewish character. I loved that show, and I’m not Jewish.
The principle asset which has been lost (removed) along the way is the potential to "squat" long term empty and derelict properties lacking any restorative plans. The amount of revenue generated during the 70s and 80s from creative, entrepreneurial, imaginative people from multiple fields to pursue their skills and dreams without crippling overheads is underestimated today. Many billions were created by the people not pushed into fighting daily for financial survival on the way up.
The USA changed their bankruptcy laws and earlier Japan did. Not being able to wipe debt clean 100% anymore has seriously hurt entrepreneurial areas. The credit card companies force it through..
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I'm looking forward to this one , Narcissism and the victim martyr narrative through various lenses is what has always gone wrong with society and always will , thinking you're good or doing good but in fact is the antithesis because of Narcissism
I just listened and really enjoyed this one. I think I just became a Georgist. Thanks!
Typical gaslighting psycho calls us (abusive term "woke") a narcissist??
Anyone who says they can't get totally behind anyone else's ideology is a breath of fresh air. Too many people blindly follow certain people without questioning anything they say.
Love you, Jew Grant!
My godfather was an NYC homicide detective in the 70’s and 80’s, at a time when such a position could be achieved without a degree in criminal justice or the scientific aspects of crime. He solved quite a few high profile and even famous cases all through a combination of street smarts, intuition, and common sense. In today’s world, he’d barely rise above writing parking tickets. He feels that most major crimes in the Western world don’t get solved these days because they replaced men like him with woke college educated officers who couldn’t solve a crossword puzzle, much less a murder with little to no evidence prior to DNA technology.
The problem is, that in today's world - there's a complete lack of that combination of street smarts, intuition, and common sense your grandfather obviously possessed in the demographic who don't have the same employment opportunities he had. They're all brainwashed on social media and cossetted from life experience on every level - and actively avoidant of anything that might take them away from TikTok for five minutes. I know some kids still travel - but not to the extent I did at their age. They're all convinced of their "mental health" crisis - a self-fulfilling prophecy monetized by all the "mental health" experts on social media. It is a closed circuit of ignorance, entitlement and apathy.
The same thing happened in journalism. I think that journalism school destroyed journalism.
Sadly, modern education is so flooded with indoctrination that it's not the education that's needed. Our society was better off when we have people that use some basic sense and deductive reasoning to solve the problems that needed to be solved. Or basic civics in school anymore.
education is not the culprit. A fall in clearance rates happened around the rise of social movements that targeted policing. BLM etc.
Please thank your godfather for his service.
My brother was a police officer in the UK, now retired. His frustrations are similar.
These old school law veterans are an ignored, even maligned, asset, shamefully disrespected by the modernists.
I always end stating a similar thing, an interviewer that allows for free flowing discourse without the compulsion to interrupt. I have waited for this type of platform for an age. Andrew, thank you
Sad that you still haven’t found it!
Try Coleman Hughes or Brendan O’Neill.
Very Larry King!
Try Chris Williamson! He has much more gravitas and is much smarter than my guy here.
@@flissb6067 I would've loved to hear what Rory's aunt thought of the American south in the 1920's but Andrew had to but in with some inane comment.
This is a guy who notices everything, remembers everything, and has an uncanny knack for integrating, reordering and expressing all that information.
Rory can go on for hours, and it might seem like a whole string of trivial points… but taken in aggregate, and with his humor, there’s a lot of lessons in there.
He's an absolute gem, the kind of guy that starts talking to you in a pub without invitation but by the end of the evening you're buying him pints because it's just so interesting.
@@superscatboyhahaha so accurate 👌
I loved the opening line to his Ted talk where he said "As an ad man, I'm more used to speaking at Ted Evil."
Excellent observation and spot on.
Rory seems lovely but almost "Wodehousian " ...in dress and demeanour and intelligence.
What a lovely chap, genuine enthusiastic talker who actually says an awful lot without you realising until he moves on to another subject 😊 it made me giggle watching you trying to find a break in his enthusiasm x
I was thinking the exact thing. Poor Andrew trying to jump in but continues to get interrupted, so Andrew starts talking faster when he jumps in…
@@Stargazer-28ok 😂
Posie also says something to the effect that milder and nuanced clearly hasn't worked and actually it's those people who have taken that approach who have helped to create the mess we're in because they've essentially been communicating to everyone that to be acceptable they too should dance around and walk on eggshells about the trans issue instead of simply coming out and telling it like it is, which would have made others feel like 'right if they can speak the truth in plain English then so can I'.
This is of course my wording but it in essence captures Posie's perspective.
Notice how Gold refers to Willoughby as "she".
QUEEN Posie ❤
Yes,you're can't be mild with constant idiocy,and as men we aren't as affected by trans "men".
I'm not worried about a woman dressed as a man in my private spaces or sports.
I think the one thing we're are as concerned about is the effect it has on children and young people.
@@winstonasmith9398 he doesn't have as good lawyers as JK Rowling 😂
There are a couple of very good reasons those approaches were tried before clobbering woke with aggressive tactics like lawsuits and government policy reforms (some nations are already at the point of government intervention, such as New Zealand after it's recent landslide election to vote in a government that ran on a strong anti-woke platform).
First is that we aren't generally against WHAT the woke are pushing for, we are against HOW they are doing it. As just one example, nobody reasonable cares if someone is trans, they do care about the implications of eradicating safe spaces for biological females and forcing upon our kids anti-intellectual, anti-scientific garbage about sex and gender with zero consultation of parents and the defamation of objectors.
In short, people have the right to do or be what they want until it interferes with the rights of others, at which point it becomes immoral and in some cases criminal. Social and legal regulations should always adhere to the concept of maximized benefit with minimized negative impact. The powers that be haven't just abandoned this concept, they publicly wiped their asses with it.
The second reason is that NOT being open to debate is a fundamental component of how critical studies operate. "Praxis" - the actual doing of a thing - is demanded by the core tenets of critical theory (yes, straight out of the communist handbook). You've likely seen it many times along the lines of "It isn't enough to be not racist, you have to be anti-racist", meaning you HAVE to engage in belligerent, aggressive activism or else you are still a racist. They aren't just totalitarian towards those they seek to cancel or silence, they are utterly authoritarian over their own as well.
It would be a very bad move to bring that concept over to the sane side of the culture war because not only would we be behaving just as immorally as they are, we would be actively restricting speech, thought and behavior in the same way the woke do.
All that said, I find it very hard to maintain such composure and not just wish to see the woke torn limb from limb by rabid dogs.
Neither of you has really understood why GCs have become more extreme.
On the face of it, it sounds very reasonable interview more trans people.
But the ideology has become so dangerous (not merely toxic) to women, children, young people, and become so deeply engrained in our institutions, that many people have begun to feel we cannot maintain any flexibility in discussing it. We cannot continue to support something which is essentially a lie.
If the state can get you to believe that a man is a women, and enforce that belief, they will try to get you to believe anything. This issue is beyond "bathrooms".
Boehhooo spooky
GCs?
@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 gender critical
Yep. And I'm surprised, because Andrew has had Kellie-Jay on. I just can't with his pronoun parC.
About American tipping, I have become better at standing my ground on tipping. Rewarding one for outstanding service or product is one thing, but being told how much to tip and that it is the expected formula is BS. Merchants and their help aren't being paid enough to live on, so I need to pay extra to pick up the slack. No.
As long as customers keep accommodating these ridiculous rules, businesses will continue to under pay their employees.
In USA most restaurants are allowed to pay wait staff under minimum wage expecting tips to make up the difference. In some places tips are shared with managers! Tipping in USA was expected for restaurant sit down meals and hotel room cleaning staff at end of motel stay, parking attendants, bellhops who bring luggage to rooms, and airport luggage handlers at curbside. Who did I forget.
@WindTurbineSyndrome I tip the kids that help me take my groceries to the car on the days where I'm really not feeling well (chronic pain) even though the store policy states that tips are not part of their policy. If somebody is helping me out and being super kind then I'm going to show my thanks! But I think you got the basics covered with waitstaff and service staff!
@elizabethlanders9805 agreed! I love to give praise to people who work hard and step up to the plate. It's admirable and I want them to know that they are appreciated!
@@ry.butterflyI agree...Iike giving for exceptional service. Tbe person appreciates it and everybody wins.
Hotel will not distribute tips to staff. I know. I am in the travel business.
@jazura2 oh wow, I didn't know that! So if you leave a tip for staff at the desk they won't get it? I usually try to give the tip directly to the person themselves but if I can't then what is the best way to ensure they get it?
I love this channel, a frequent reminder of how crazy the world is going - but also keeps me from joining the insanity through believing its the new norm
My favourite guest so far - a lovely man. Thank you both.
Ordinary women are becoming more angry because our language is being bastardised, as well as women being in fear every day of losing jobs, our sports, our spaces and all we see is men winning womens awards etc and kids are being lied too 😢😢😢
First, men protected women.
Then women said they didn't need it.
Then women took it for granted.
Then women said they could beat men.
They women said they were better at everything.
Then women said men were useless.
Then women said all men were misogynist.
Then women said all men should die.
Then women refused to listen to anything men said.
Finally... men stopped protecting women.
Then women said men were monsters for not protecting them.
Then men stopped caring what women said!
@@bugsy742 grow up please
@@bertieboo nice gaslight! This is reality! Its childish to say otherwise
@@bugsy742 not it’s not, it’s a lazy caricature of the situation lacking any nuance.
@@joygibbons5482 laziness is to deny this because it means you have to be accountable!
I wonder what Rory Sutherland - as a marketing executive - thinks about our 'religious' cognitive dissonance: whereby we ban tobacco advertising on the Nation's TV screens; and yet have wall-to-wall advertising, to children, for GAMBLING? Is it not time for us to put the Gambling Companies back in their box?
I would more happily work on a tobacco account than a gambling account.
@@rory.sutherland Well said and written, Rory!
Australia has gambling ads on TV and at the end of the ad they say "chances are, you're about to LOSE" 😂😂
Funny they never have that disclaimer at the end of state Lottery ads though.
@@aidananstey9848 Exactly. There was a time when gambling - like lying - was regarded as a 'bad action'. Today both are indulged-in by the highest in the land! Relativism rules!
I think it comes from older people's unfamiliarity with technology. Most gambling nowadays is done on stock trading apps, cryptocurrencies, in video games, and it will take time for our 85 year old overlords to die and be replaced with someone who knows how to send an email, who may be able to understand these issues and create sensible policies.
Andrew, Kelly Jay isn’t extremely gender critical, she’s campaigning to keep us women and girls safe. That is not extreme.
Sanity is extreme when everyone else is committed to the opposite
She's just normal. We need more normalcy.
Being "extremely critical" of something is NOT the same thing as being in some way socially or politically "extreme." Kelly-Jay Keene definitely IS extremely critical of so-called "gender ideology," and rightly so. So am I: so should we all be.
'I quite like people up to a point but wouldn't want to become wholly invested in their point of view'. Quote of the year for me 😃😃😃
Regarding Mr. Rorys story about his brother and consumer decisions, there is a book called "The Paradox of Choice," and is about this very phenomenon. About how too many choices can lead to paralysis. If you have too many choices, it can leave you with the anxiety that you may have not made the right one. As opposed, if you only have 2 options, the chances of you making the incorrect choice are significantly reduced.
Also as a disabled person I agree with his point about people thinking they can speak for other groups. People thinking they can speak for disabled people if offensive and patronizing, and is further pushing us into invisibility. They usually don't know disabled people, the needs and issues we face. This is further made worse by the wheelchair token. When the majority of disabled people aren't in a wheelchair. For one, we aren't a race or community. A person with cystic fibrosis doesn't relate anymore to the blind more than anyone else.
Well said 👏👏👏
There's another way that having choices can lead to paralysis, and that is that you have to educate yourself about what the choices mean, and then whether you care about them. I remember the first time I went to the US, and I went to a coffee shop with a friend. When my turn came, the barista pelted me with a barage of questions about type of bean, type of roast, type of milk etc. Most of these I actually had no opinion about so I started asking the barista about the choices. I could sense the frustration from the people in line behind me, so in the end I just gave random answers. The coffee was perfectly decent, so I wasn't paralysed by the idea that my choices had been "wrong", just that I was being forced to make choices I didn't care about.
@@Guzunderstrop Yes, it's presumed that having a wide variety of choices is automatically a good thing. It isn't, informed choice is. Having a choice when you don't know the pros and cons is pointless, no matter how many options you have.
Your story is similar to what my partners parents experienced in the US concerning ordering a breakfast. The options concerning JUST what the fried egg was cooked in started with what type of oil. They answered olive oil presuming that would be it, but no. Green or black olives? Italian Greek or Spanish? Light or virgin? It soon got very tiresome for them having to chose every little trivial thing.
@@Guzunderstrop - I suppose you could have said to him/her : you choose
Maximizers vs Satisficers?
This is something that makes me very angry. People worry about a word being some kind of ist but are silent about minority children being killed in Chicago from gang violence. They worry about a team name while the drug cartels invade American Indian Reservations. They can’t get any more police hired because of all the bureaucracy. There are five or six government agencies that oversee the reservations, they don’t work together and you can’t get anything done. If you want to help fix that.
I agree. Real issues are complex. Feds with all their insane need to keep all our digital data stored at NSA but real problems Americans experience are neglected or ignored. always money for war. The local police like the public schools are funded by town tax dollars. In my town they bought police all electric vehicle police cars at great expense. They don't work they constantly break down take forever to fix and they want gas powered ones but the town said no. So we have 5 working squad cars on road 24 hrs a day for a 50 sq mile town. We have to make changes locally. We have no power in Washington.
The problem with trigger warnings today is,they're warning people like students about things that they should be able to withstand like opinions.
Great interview, I'd definitely like a pint or four with Rory!
Yea-!! Catering to the lowest common denominator brings everyone down. Don't give in.
Its not my responsibility to warn someone else's emotional sensitivities. An adult should be able to discern those things by themselves. I remember watching a video on reddit about a car accident & it showed the video. Someone in the comments said "You should have had a TRIGGER WARNING! I'm TRAUMATIZED" & the response was "well, it says in the TITLE "FATAL car accident, you should have assumed from the title it was NSFW".
Freaking ridiculous.
Trigger warning - 1936
A trigger warning used to be for people with epilepsy, not for 6ft children.
Child proofing the world instead of worldproofing the child...
Wow Rory can talk. In a good way. My brain is 10 minutes behind him processing what he says.
Great channel allowing the guest to talk. Thank you Andrew. Keep up the great content. I’m a fan and recommend your channel to others.
Having lived in East Asia for a while, where tipping is discouraged, I loath the tipping culture in the USA.
So you aren’t a capitalist… Nor have you ever worked in the service industry.
Demonstrated effort, attentiveness, and being pleasant = MORE money. I assure you that a drive through worker will never have the same incentive as a server who NEEDS to provide good service to make good money.
Other than Japan- not sure where in East Asia I’d praise for their treatment of workers…
@@Smashthemadnessif you receive bad service in a US restaurant you're still expected to tip. In Ireland where tipping is not as prominent you (usually) get good service
Not a thing here in Australia - tend to pay decent wages instead.
Andrew @ ~1:03:40 he doesn't like tipping, and would rather go to a hotel that cost more without needing to tip housekeeping etc.
I've heard multiple examples from U.S. and Canada of restaurants saying just that, no tipping, we pay our staff more, you pay a little more. I see a story when they open and then again a few months later when they close.
@@Smashthemadness Do you ever give an extra optional tip on top of your mandatory tip? When the tips are not expected, they are different, yeah?
Andrews humour and one liners are great when you have a guest who waffles too much.
Rory is such an absolute character, isn't he!? You couldn't put a word in edgeways Andrew 🤣
All those questions you had prepared went out of the window: Rory follows his own train of thought. Another great episode, thank you! ❤
Genius interviewing. I'm being won over, Andrew.
@@elizabethlanders9805Doug Kramer on Dazed But Not Confused, smoked on air...before he recently died- from smoking....says the girl with the ciggy in her hand...
@@sunnyadams5842 How was this genius interviewing, out of interest?
Wonderful conversation! Enjoying these in depth, long form interviews
Thank you!
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I do too. So very sick of people looking for simplistic answers for highly nuanced topics.
Yes yes yes ( she agreed for the algo)
“I’m a big believer of reversing into parking spaces. Going in forwards, that’s deviant.”
🔥 HOT💀TAKE🔥
I must be a deviant. 😈
I cannot stand people who back into parking spots, ha! Hot take, indeed.
Women are deviant is what he is saying.
Yes you hold up everyone. Just drive in
This is SO HOW this "movement" has also become So fucking annoying...self-interest without a dab of enlightenment. I object to anyone's insistence upon me that I comply...but when someone quietly goes about something unique, I'll respect it all day!
I feel like English people do use Yiddish. It seems fairly common to hear words like schmooze, glitch, nosh...schmaltzy. I hear people say "kosher" as well as a way of suggesting something is right or wrong, or even a bit off: "that doesn't seem quite kosher".
Yes, I'd forgotten about "nosh" that's very common.
These words have been in english for a very long time!
I was born and brought up in Cambridge (England) and didn’t realise how many Yiddish words I use til moved to Scotland. They understand most of the words I use on the Isle of Islay where I now live but I get a very puzzled look if I use the expression ‘Stay schtum’
I don’t have time for this mischegoss
It'd never occurred to me before that "glitch" is Yiddish.
Destroying land ownership with taxes is anti-conservation, anti-agriculture, and destructive of social stability. Without attachment to land, people lose their attachment to community.
@@differentname5867the distinction Rory coined here is unnecessary. It's less about whether the economy is "creative" or not, it's about whether free market competition exists or not. Where the economy is controlled by very few entities, ie. monopoly or oligopoly, lack of competition makes the economy exploitive, and it already has a name, crony capitalism. Crony capitalism can happen to markets of scarce resources as well as markets of creative products.
@@YummyFoodOnlyPlz I don't think we should destroy land ownership. But it would make a lot of sense to reduce income tax and increase taxes on landlords.
Destroying land ownership as if it's a bad thing? Please. It needs democratising. When 1% of the UK population owns over 70% of the land, tell me how that builds community? The only socially stability it gives is to keep the rich stable at their level on the top of society
This the first encounter I've had with Rory Sutherland and have to say I'm impressed with his pragmatic yet still nuanced views. He makes a great point about problem solving and argument winning are two very distinct skill sets that often don't overlap, yet we put the argument winners in charge of solving problems.
Rory is both an interviewer’s dream and nightmare. He’s fascinating and overflowing with great information and insights, but he will just talk and not allow others to get a word in, or he’ll cut them off and is quite unintentionally rude.
I know, it was driving me mad by the latter half. I really felt for Andrew.
Yeah I watched until the end for Andrews sake but wanted to leave early on.
@@YvonneBrisbaneI want to push this one through but I’m only 6 minutes in and already having a hard time.
**edit
Literally one minute later he had me. That was funny because super same and relatable. I’ll stick with it now.
@tinkercat8268 yes that would be why you were reading the comments. I did the same thing. Good luck and good on you for opening your mind watching and listening to interesting conversations.
@@Stargazer-28 rest easy and the fact that you can type right now is admirable. He’s not an easy person to keep up with for sure 😂😂
Feel better soon
With respect Rory, your Peter Sutcliffe story is wrong. The police were alerted to his car due to false number plates and then he couldn’t tell them the name of his female companion who in fact was a sex worker and would’ve been his next victim. After the cops had got him out of the car, he told them he needed a wee. He went in the bushes and dumped his killing tools, a knife, hammer and rope, so when the police searched his car they didn’t find anything. He was arrested that night for the offences.
Back at the cop shop the police realised his likeness to the Yorkshire Ripper and began questioning him about that. The officers returned to the scene and found the tools he’d dumped the night before.
I’m a true crime fan and have a special interest in serial killers so I had to set the record straight.
As always I thoroughly enjoyed the whole episode and all the topics covered. I love the purple jacket Andrew! ❤
jojo you're absolutely correct. I vividly remember these details about the arrest of Peter Sutcliffe as well. Also, this was an episode with two wonderfully coloured jackets in it!
@@mardyroux8136 thanks and yes I agree with you on both jackets. ❤️
Really enjoyed this, he is definitely one of my five at a dinner party. So interesting.
American companies won’t distribute the extra money to their low skilled workforce unless and until they are forced to. This is why the minimum wage hasn’t risen and tipping culture is still in force
Minimum wage doesn't rise where there is a high competition for jobs (cheap labor.). What causes cheap labor? Illegals being allowed to flood across the border. The more people searching for the same jobs, the less those people will get paid. Supply and demand is basic economics.
Well it's more complicated than that. Back in 90s free trade agreements and push for globalism meant many manufactured moved to China and overseas. The only jobs available now are part time sales or retail jobs where the schedule changes weekly no guarantee if hours but unable to take a second job with hours shifting. No unions no opportunity to advance, no benefits. Many states are pegged to a minimum wage that was never adjusted for inflation. Work for hire laws meant workers had zero job security and were at the mercy of management. where I live aging workforce means elderly must work part time to pay their bills, their property tax. Social security they worked for thirty years ago is too low to live on today it's a third of what one person needs to live in a year. So there are lots of issues with the work force. Amazon has nothing but disdain for workers the govt finally explained to the corporate heads their business model meant they would have to hire every single person in America five times. They had no interest in long term employment that was their business model.
Top points for letting this guy speak and ramble a bit. He was fascinating to listen to and far too many interviewers feel the need to interrupt every 10 seconds. Great interview.
Andrew, that’s a beautiful purple jacket!
Amusing. A change from sometimes dull, other times irritating stuff that too often comes my way. A bit of humour makes a pleasant diversion or distraction from angry, holier than thou behaviour.. He reminds me of my brother, William, on a good day. I did Philosophy at Manchester. The department, which was closed down in the 1990s had an interesting history. The rift between real philosophy and relativist negative philosophers has long caused immense disputes across the country. Like the restaurant anecdote... it taught me more than what it could possibly do in the work itself. This applied particularly in the late 1970s. The dismantling of philosophy has been a social catastrophe.. the fact virtually no one was aware of what was happening is telling.
When I did philosophy at A level there were a total of only 4 people in the class
@@qlus Modern academic philosophy is close to useless- worse, it is destructive.
This is the first time I've watched this channel....Brilliant!!
Found your channel a few days ago, have been steadily working through it. Absolute A+ content. You're going to be hitting 1 Million subs before the years done easily. Keep up the fantastic work!!
Fascinating interview, and more digressions and tangents than I could possibly count. Thanks, Rory and Andrew
Two book recommendations for Sutherland (which I actually think he will enjoy if he has not read them already): 1) 'Superforecasters' by P. Tetlock, 2) 'Rationality' by S. Pinker.
'Superforecasters' very lucidly addresses precisely the sort of problem situation in which we have imperfect information and want to arrive at quantitative probability estimates. There are several important aspects to this. Firstly, historical "reference classes" for the kind of event being forecasted provide a lot of information: how rare is event-type A given B? Secondly, a lot of "Fermi estimation" is used - here you calculate a more complex numerical estimate using a series of simpler estimates, in hope that the errors in the sub-estimates will tend to balance out. Thirdly, forecasters are encouraged to regularly practice making quantitative probabilistic predictions that quantify their degrees of subjective credence, and using the feedback to "calibrate" themselves; it turns out people can get quite good at this, as measured by metrics of forecasting quality such as Brier-scores. But really the whole panoply of critical thinking skills are relevant to forecasting - good forecasters are unusually vigilant against bias, logical, and they often think explicitly in Bayesian terms, or make use of statistical techniques are mathematical modelling.
The general point is that the task of trying to reduce the complex and fuzzy world of grey uncertainties to precise numerical probabilities is not hopeless, and can actually be done with some success by those practiced in the relevant skills. But a pre-requisite - or, at least, a great aid - for developing these skills is being able to solve the kinds of "stupid" problems you will find in maths textbooks or logic puzzles where, implausibly, all of the information is available. Sutherland is quite right that this is a fairly different art from that practiced by research scientists, but it is the sort of thinking that is valuable in fields such as finance.
Pinker's 'Rationality' is a delightful book from which anyone can learn something. It is an excellent primer on some of the issues I have already mentioned - Bayesian inference, cognitive biases, basic statistics, etc. It also has a very good discussion of "decision theory", which, in conjunction with probabilistic thinking, deals in a systematic way with the problem of decision-making under uncertainty. If we make use of Bayesian thinking and optimal decision theory, we can be more precise about the sorts of questions which interest Sutherland - how much weight should we give to surprising new information? what should our evidential threshold for criminal investigations be? etc.
The jackets are incredible in this episode!
Your view on tipping was really interesting. I grew up in America, so I'm used to the tipping culture. However, I understand your point about the inauthenticity of the "customer service" face.
I think the switch from "customer service" to "resting" face may not be as strange to us, because lots of us have had customer service jobs (unless your family has money). We understand how much energy it takes to sell and give good service, so we're not really shocked by people needing to go back to their resting face. I think it might also be why we don't mind tipping a large amount if the service is good. We kind of remember being that person, so there's a small human-to-human solidarity present that can make people feel good to tip.
I say "we" here, but of course I can't speak for everyone. There's Americans who hate the tipping culture, too, for the very reasons you stated.
Andrew, the Hotel/Restaurant is NOT going to distribute to the staff.
They will trouser your money.
In NYC min wage is $15/hour & not enough to live on anywhere & THAT is what staff will earn without tipping.
Cash is still King in NYC!
Sure they will, employers will pay whatever is needed to keep employees as long as it still makes sense for them too. But, they wouldn't pay more than it would cost to replace them. It seems people can't quite get past the notion that while you may think your time is worth a wage you can raise a family on, if there is a teenager that can do your job just as well for less it really isn't worth what you think it is.
Great to hear someone openly a Georgist on something other than a Georgist podcast.
There are dozens of us!
Just to answer you, I know about chutzpah and schlepping and a smattering of Jewish words and phrases. I'm a Scottish Protestant in London. My flatmate 1990 to 92 taught me, but most people I know understand quite a bit. Also, coincidentally, I have just acquired Seinfeld seasons 1--6 for a re-watch.
:D
troubleshooting a person (as a pretty good troubleshooter myself) takes association. Through compassion and empathy one can attempt to try to associate with another and in that association both agree to the causality of an issue to then be able to resolve it. As an IT tech I have found most of the time I am helping the person with the PC and not the PC with the person.
I decided to give Seinfeld a go last year. Binged watched the whole thing. What a find!
'The skill you need to solve problems and the skill you need to win arguments, they're not the same skill.' That sounds like what Plato said in The Republic. “In politics we presume that everyone who knows how to get votes knows how to administer a city or a state. When we are ill… we do not ask for the handsomest physician, or the most eloquent one.” As I've seen it translated elsewhere, the problem with democracy is that it elects people who are skilled at winning elections, not people who are skilled at governing.
Wonderful conversation. Also the picture quality is amazing 🎉
I was a cocktail bartender in both UK & NYC & I LOVE the USA tipping system.
Waiters & bar staff in NYC are World Class & many are Uni Grads & aspiring artists & actors.
I loved how you slowly lost control of that interview. It was great!
Shpiel and Schtum, but also latkes. Very rural upbringing (not Jewish) in deepest darkest Lancashire, but the Yiddish is still there!
I’ve been following Rory Sutherland for more than a decade. Thank you for this spotlight on him.
Anecdotal = real world experience.
Which is more real than an accumulation of data collected with bias.
I never understand and ALWAYS laugh when people try to dismiss any input as insignificant by labelling it anecdotal. They think it makes them appear smart but I really think it makes someone look terribly stupid.
exactly. Anecdotal is single data point, but it's a real one, and lots together lead to a hypothesis that can then be tested.
@@miff227 precisely!
i've been seeing random little clips from Rory's talks all over tiktok recently, thrilled to see him in this format!
Oi Andrew, please do not refer to that bloke Willoughby as a "she", "He's a man!"
Agreed
Great interview. My sides were splitting when your guest kept talking over you and you were like ‘shut up’ and he says JC. Hilarious. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Your heretic channel is usually far above my head. I listen and sometimes learn something I’ve never thought abt before. Other times I don’t understand a word.
Really enjoying these interviews Andrew. I’ve been a fan since your exorcism documentary, but these conversations are the next level.
Cheers!
Douglas Hofstadter - I am a strange loop. Very illuminating and one of the best books I've ever read, even 18 years later.
Hi Andrew ♥
I'm loving this new channel of yours.
Subscribed before I saw the first one, I knew it would be great.
Hope your having fun with Aaron ♥
The New York Son of Sam was caught on a hunch by a detective when he, SoS, was issued a parking ticket.
The US has been called out by International human rights orgs for not providing public restrooms and public sources of water, 24 hour/365 days a year.
It's ridiculous how bad it is. Many towns do not want to offer/build public toilets and water fountains because of cost. But I didn't realize it was a human rights issue. In downtown Los Angeles there were no public toilets anywhere only Target and Union station.
You can walk into any bar, restaurant, hotel or Department store in NYC and use their bathrooms. My favourites used to be, the Plaza hotel and the Harvard club.
@@maryrose4712 are those bars, restaurants and hotels public?
YES! 30:32 Rory is my new favorite intellectual because of his sound, genuine and SENSIBLE kindness. What a mensch!
I love this. It's just 2 intelligent people having a good natured, light hearted, free flowing conversation.
Andrew maybe you should try being a waiter or a porter. I don't think you would make it through one shift. These types of jobs are difficult and you have to deal with a lot of crap from people. Customers who understand this tip well. There is no way that certain businesses can pick up the slack of good tippers. In turn if you don't receive good service then you tip low or not at all, that sends a hard message to the worker.
"The skill you need to solve problems and the skill you need to win arguments are not the same skill" Rory Sutherland.
I've been trying to explain this to people for years... Alas, I'm not great at and don't enjoy argument...I'm not clear it solves any problems!
Arguments are composed of word games tied to premises as Rory says, by axioms. Arguments are entirely abstract, fundamentally they can include almost any wacky idea. One distinction I like to make is that while Arguments are abstract, problems exist in reality, solutions exist in reality too. If you're lucky their solutions are within an accessible search space, and the process of finding solutions is traversing that search space.
In a Radio Times survey Seinfeld was voted the best comedy series but still the BBC would not schedule it properly because they are idiots. When I phoned to complain about all the times it was summarily cancelled to make way for the bloody snooker the snooty guy on the other end of the line said "It only has a small, niche audience." It was the most successful and popular TV comedy series in America! It would have been in Britain if it had been on Channel 4 and treated with the respect that Channel 4 treated Friends and Frasier.
YOu know what? Given their attitude to Israel, they might not have scheduled it well simply because it was Jewish.
Not totally sure but : we were in the EU for a while. They discouraged foreign TV inorder to promote local productions. Note ... Australian and US shows disappeared. But cooking programs thrived as they were cheap. Yes they were that petty.
You don't have to wait for a Guinness to be poured. The wait is a marketing strategy in itself
Thank you for having Rory on! I have been following him for years and read his book Alchemy. He is a great thought leader. A very interesting man.
In Medicine, we regard anecdotal evidence, very highly in the form of case reports. If a patient has an unusual presentation of a certain disease, or if an unusual treatment worked on a patient, we write about it and publish it for our colleagues. Unfortunately, the case report has fallen out of a favor, and larger journals have put a premium on randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled clinical trials, which are important knowledge their own right, but lack the hypothesis-generating power of a case report.
Of course there's a premium of double blind randomised trials. They're evidence that something works. Generating ideas for something to test (anecdotes,) is pretty easy. There are way more anecdotes than we have time to test for ..
Totally agree about Piers Morgan. Love him or loathe him, he does an amazing job!
Canadian here. Finding safe and clean public washrooms in major cities isn't all that easy, actually. Lots of places to stop along major highways, but walking around downtown Toronto? Nah.
Absolutely loved this Andrew, im loving this channel of yours thanks 👍🏼👍🏼
I don’t find hot tubs at all aspirational. I don’t understand the attraction of sitting in a big bowl of human soup.
I've got a hydrotherapy hot tub and it's brilliant. I suffer with horrific muscular pain and it genuinely helps. To me, it's one of the best purchases I've ever made although if I didn't suffer with pain I wouldn't have purchased one.
@@joce11 my neighbours are in theirs wearing bikinis and drinking Prosecco! 😁
I love listening to Rory talk just because. He'd be a fabulous person to have a drink with in the evening in front of a fire and chat all evening about ideas.
Great. He is like a firehose of creativity, love it.
-They make things that are easy to measure important rather than things that are important easy to measure.
Schools are terrible for it.
as much as i usually like the hear the guests talk, you are one of the ones where i like listening to the host too, but this guy won't let you get a word in.
There was already a system of warnings on films, it was called a rating G PG etc. No need for constant "trigger" warnings. Very annoying constant "trigger" warning which now "triggers" me.
This is thoroughly enjoyable : by the way since the public loos have disappeared one may use lavatories in cafes etc they are required to let you use them
I took your suggestion. This morning, I started to read Crime and Punishment. You are right. It's a page turner! I loved it from the first page. I loved -It's deviant to not back into a parking space. Haha.
I can see why people mind tips being a social expectation. But on the other hand its practically the only avenue left for unskilled work increase baseline income and the only one that people skills is valued. Remove tipping from restaurants and the priority will become efficiency instead of pleasing customers. No refills, brusk service, rushing out the current table to make room for more even when its not busy, etc. I go to restaurants to have a nice experience not to be the 1 million customer served.
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation - thank you
One of your best Andrew!
It’s guests like this that make me so glad to be subscribed here.
A bit of a weird flex but I’ve just finished up with Adam Smith and David Ricardo so the ideas presented here made so much sense, especially the idea that there’s been a sort of rug pull moment where the capitalist and the landlord are conflated. I’d be interested to hear what Rory thinks on Ricardo’s idea that the landlord sets the price through rent based on land value, that is the worst quality land pays no rent but the labour costs are very high, the most productive land meanwhile has the highest rent which equalises the cost of goods.
Another great video, lots of information in one podcast. Rory seems a very interesting chap, I'd love to have a chat with him, I think I could learn a lot! Keep up the good work Andrew.
Interesting but going off on a lot of tangents that were hard to keep up with 😂
When he started to praise electric cars ... it was time to leave.
I understand what he says about tipping culture but the reality is - a lot of people don’t have the extra money to keep tipping everyone for good service. We may just have enough “for the thing” so next time out service will go down because they know we don’t ‘tip well’
As a kid my teacher wrote “[Rocky] is a pleasant scatter brain inclined to be rather talkative”. - I think she would have made the same comment about Rory.
Love your jacket Andrew.❤😊
What a wonderful raconteur.
I could listen to this fella for hours.
Narcissism is the problem. Raised by narcissist parents and married a covert one. The sooner people who know about narcissist speak up the better. Education is the key to the way out of this.
You're Freud's wet dream
The reason that TV advertising appears next to more graphic material than youtube advertising is because when commercial TV began in the UK, the government was concerned that advertisers would exercise control over the content of broadcasts as they already did in the US, so the sale of adverts was restricted to sale of advertising packages to be shown at the discretion of the broadcaster (this is also why sponsorship was not permitted until the 1990s).
CZcams defaults to the American system where advertisers have full control and naturally the government is too spineless and ineffectual to bring it into line with established British broadcasting practices.
As long as Andrew Gold continues his CZcams channel "peak stupidity" remains in the future.
It's great to hear Rory advocating Georgism. We could settle so many political debates if we distinguished between productive business and exploitative rent-seeking.
Ok, I can’t watch Rory without expecting him to say ok, okay, and then some more random okays, ok 😂
Rory Sutherland is always exceptionally good value - and wise as well as witty - despite his casual elitism.
Way too good for Gold to keep up with !
If someone doesn't "get" football, how can i trust anything further said?
Seinfeld wildly popular and NOT a Jewish special! Where are you getting that from? Definitely a New York/metro NY area thing, but not just Jewish. Jerry was the only Jewish character. I loved that show, and I’m not Jewish.
It is more about 4 people who are self absorbed and it's very funny.
The principle asset which has been lost (removed) along the way is the potential to "squat" long term empty and derelict properties lacking any restorative plans. The amount of revenue generated during the 70s and 80s from creative, entrepreneurial, imaginative people from multiple fields to pursue their skills and dreams without crippling overheads is underestimated today. Many billions were created by the people not pushed into fighting daily for financial survival on the way up.
The USA changed their bankruptcy laws and earlier Japan did. Not being able to wipe debt clean 100% anymore has seriously hurt entrepreneurial areas. The credit card companies force it through..
I discovered Rory by happenstance a few days ago and I can’t stop listening to the man.
Don't worry about your brother Rory, he can always eat IKEA meatballs while he decides on a sofa.