Milos Sarcev: The Difference Between Correct And Incorrect Steroid Use In Bodybuilding
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- DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this video are solely those of the subject in this video and do not reflect Generation Iron. GI does not condone or endorse the use of illegal drugs
Milos Sarcev dives deep on the realities of steroids in bodybuilding.
In the mainstream media, one of the most controversial topics about bodybuilding is the use of steroids by athletes. Quite honestly, it's a controversial topic covered in nearly any professional sport. While you might see headlines claiming a bodybuilder had died young due to steroid use - other experts in the industry claim there's no way to prove it was from steroids specifically. Most experts, coaches, and gurus in the bodybuilding industry claim that the issue isn't the drug itself but the drug being used incorrectly. Like most other drugs, it can be abused to unhealthy effects. In our latest GI Exclusive interview, Milos Sarcev details the difference between correct and incorrect steroid use in bodybuilding.
Milos Sarcev went from being an incredible bodybuilder into a coach that is recognized by many. To some he is considered one of the best bodybuilding coaches of the modern era. With that kind of reputation, we wanted to take the opportunity during our interview with Milos to discuss the controversy surrounding steroids and bodybuilding. While the use of steroids in bodybuilding has always been controversial - it's publicized more than ever due to the fast spread of information on the internet and social media.
There are those out there who stand with the current laws and regulations - believing that steroids is dangerous but a risk that many athletes are willing to make. But there are others who do not believe steroids to be dangerous at all - if used properly. Tony Huge, for example, has been the highlight of two documentary films chronicling his attempts to prove that steroids are no more or less harmful than many other drugs currently unregulated and available in the United States.
Milos Sarcev is another man who believes that steroids are only dangerous if abused and used incorrectly. Which is why we wanted to directly ask him to explain the difference between correct steroids usage and incorrect usage. To answer, Milos recounts the full evolution of steroid usage throughout bodybuilding history - and how we've gotten to our current situation with many young athletes simply taking too much.
Milos Sarcev is very clear that steroids are a powerful drug and should not be used lightly. That's why it's important for athletes who chose to partake in PEDs to do the research, speak to doctors, get bloodwork, and treat it like you are using any prescription drug.
You can see Milo Sarcev's full deep dive into steroid usage in bodybuilding by watching our latest GI Exclusive interview segment above!
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Milos is probably the most honest knowledgeable bodybuilder when it comes to gear ..most of the other guys lie about their dosages and what they’re taking.
Not everyone needs a lot though. I believe Lee Priests cycles. He's too damn blunt
They only lie when u don't agree with what they say
I met Milos three times (Athens 2016, Las Vegas 2019,Columbus 2020) and we had podcast on RXmuscle in 2018.
Gave him both of my books,signed.
You a doctor whose into steroids ?
Signed even? Whoooooaaaa...
George, is it possible today for an athlete who is subjected to random drug testing year round to take TRT and still pass the testosterone:epitestosterone ratito test?
gothops Nope unless he is using the cream by Patrick Arnold chemist
@@georgetoul Broderick Chavez said that athletes can take up to 3g testosterone per kg body weight and pass the testosterone:epitestosterone ratio test. Is this wrong?
When i See Milos My insulin levels increase by 60%.
😂😂🙄
😆🤣
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Milos is a legend! Respect the honesty and transparency.
This is hearing for somebody with experience & used it themselves, not people reading it from textbooks & online articles.
Milos = Respect for honesty ...Thank you!
You have to respect him being honest about his thoughts on it.
I’m 47 been on testosterone for almost 30 years 1ml cypionate 200 mg every 3 days ,always had a 6 week rest after 4 months on and feel fantastic and can hold my own on stage with anyone
I've experimented with many protocols but have settled with Test C @100mg e5d. Feeling great on less testosterone because I have optimised my dosage frequency.
Huge difference.
3 name changes allowed every 90 days. I’ve never needed too blood work is always great
God damn son it's crazy how people use that much for so long and are fine. Maybe I should just blast for life lol
@@outerspacing9207 I've been using since 2008. Blasting and cruising. I am 173cm, approx 90kg lean, squat 260kg, bench 180kg, deadlift 315kg, run marathons, tris, ultras and swim/runs.
I am no where near the biggest, leanest, strongest, fittest etc. However PEDs have allowed me to engage in all the things I am passionate about at the same time. I love this aspect of my life.
S H1990 what’s your IG these are great claims
Milos is a genius. This mans erudition and opinions are a delight to listen to.
I'm just going to do the zzyz cycle topped off with the rich stack, I hear it's a killer but you'll get jacked
Again thanks for your honesty Milos
Great to hear honesty. Thank you
I see no issue with responsible use, if the person has considered the risks and the outcome of their use doesn’t destroy their relationships or livelihood
The problem with "responsible" use is we all have a different definition of what that is.
outer spacing Some guys are smart and can limit themselves, some start shooting tren and everything under the sun and end up loony tunes. Tbh I don’t know too many smart steroid users. I am on TRT and cycle occasionally.
@@auralplex yea I do steroids. I want to start a cycle this summer but I don't think gyms will open.
@@auralplex that's true about the tren, I know a fella who took tren test deca and dbol at 19 for his first cycle because thats what he was told he should take to get as big as possible in the shortest amout of time, needless to say he lost it quicker than he gained it and destroyed his natural production
Excellent explain 👏....thanks lot milos!
Vlad's shirt is a complete troll on this whole topic lol. Well played
That is why there is a saying "use vs abuse". Guys now are abusing gear.
Some guys. I'm seeing a rise in the popularity of low dose cycles. Where as 5 years ago everybody I knew who was on wanted to be a bodybuilder and was on high dosages as well as things like insulin LONG before they should be. It was quite scary.
I think the whole rise of TRT has enlightened most as to what is possible with even just low dose test. Before it was just people going from anecdotes on bodybuilding forums, or what a big guy in the gym said.
techically anything over 250mg is "abuse" because anything over that is beyond TRT amount, and enters into supraphysiological territory then and there. So there was abuse in the 70's. People react differently to supraphysiological amounts of aas, some gyno like crazy and get watery af even on AI, while others can use 2 grams test without any AI and /or other physical problems. Those guys become pro's because there is some how less wear and tear on the body , exceptionally very well genetically suited to bodybuild, unnaturally. Imagine youre one of those 0.0000001% of the population gifted with these genes back in the 70's. You start taking testosterone, deca and dbol. Arnies stack. Off season that is ofc. You get great results at 600mg testosterone, 400mg deca and 50mg dbol. That is what the other guys around you are running but are running into hosts of other problems you dont face. Fast forward a few years and 600mg test has become ineffective and now 2grams test 1.2gram deca and 150mg dbol pwo is the norm for you and the sides are bearable without any major health problems. What you dont realize that massive left ventricular hypertrophy is taking place and that surely will manifest as a big problem down the line. WOULD YOU TELL PEOPLE THAT THE REASON YOU WON WAS PARTLY BECAUSE YOU COULD HANDLE THE GEAR BETTER? of course theyre all gonna lie about amounts and minimize the damage as they can. So there was abuse in the past but its nothing compared to now , ill give you that. They just use a host of ancillaries as well to mask and hide the side effects they face while running 15grams of total gear /week like the bloodwork from Dallas indicated.
@SauceGodBandjos 513 do cardio. 1hr morning fasted stomach. 1 hr at evening. 2 sessions a day, drop your caloric intake. Lets say you daily intake is 2500. Drop it down to 2000 or say even 1800 cals a day. Do abs after cardio in morning. Pick 2 or 3 different exercises for abs. 20 to 25 reps. 4 sets each. Do not touch gear. If ur a newbie or just started training, you can just do a lot with just these little protocols. No shortcuts. No easy wayaround.
@SauceGodBandjos 513 well if ur 180lbs am asuming ur bodyfat must be close to 15% or 16%. If you want deep washboard abs then drop down to 150 or 154. Then start ur way up.
Amazing interview, great and smart guy
There is no TRT doc who would ever prescribe 500mg of test a week. 200 to 250 is pretty much the max. But I guess if your receptors are pretty much wiped out like his are maybe that's what he feels needs.
Nah he just has bigorexia like most of them he would go mad if he was under 220lbd
You are right...250/week is just about the max...And that is - because they don't have the courage to prescribe more...
I dont think he was talking about your random doc or maybe not about prescription in that sentence.
Not true. 300 mg per week right here
Full interview please...
Thank you ! 🙏🏽💪🏽
Respect for Milos an innovator & honest man!👍
The best interview ever about this subject.
Great bodybuilder. Humble and honest. I can’t get past how much he sounds like Ladka ( Andy Kaufman) from the tv show taxi.
The "Fastest Man Alive" he referred to was Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson who set a world record in the 100 m but was stripped of his Gold Medal for testing positive for Winstrol.
Masterson
Love this guy
Is he talking about markus rühl? 😁 maybe?
Markus ruhl baby german guy
ANIMAL 99 Yeah I was thinking either him or Gunter, but when I think steroid abuse fits Ruhr more LOL
He’s talking about Denis wolf
Milos great to see you brother.
Respect!! Respect!!
Makes me laugh every time he says ow my god 🤣🤣
You see the younger generation they do not want to wait for 30 years to get big . they wanted now so instead they take big dose they will get there in seven years .
If anyone says it how it is its Milov. The words at the end "Healing".....wise and a genius.
I would be taking gear I ain’t gunna lie but I have 0 idea where to or how to find any
Online
Should ask him what’s was his thoughts on Matt Porters passing…..We never heard what the cause was
The guy in Germany is it Kevin Gebhard?, 🤔
Balco’s The Clear🤘🏻
500 mgs a week of test for 30 years!!!?? OMG lol Legend
Insulin: "You need more Milos"
Misko kralju pozdrav iz L.A
True legend 👍
Pozdrav iz Srbije...
I love any Milos Sarcev content. He is genuine and the MAN!!
Doesn’t talk about his obsession with insulin that’s making his competitors that work with him for a long time get smaller arms and legs year by year from insulin resistance though does he. Look at Hidetada.
Milos sarcev 🔥
6:55 Markus Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhl :D ;)
My paisano, MILOS THE MIND SARCEV! ...and what do you say Vlad? :D
I'm 55 and do trt, I do 100mg a week of testosterone c.
I take 100mg/wk and for me it is more than plenty. It all depends on the person. Testosterone is incredibly powerful. For a year, I was Rx'd 200mg/wk and it was too much for me. I can't imagine what 500-750mg/wk would feel like. For the 200mg/ml testosterone, 600mg would be an entire 3ML syringe full of testosterone, for reference. I don't know if they would inject that once a week or inject it once every 2 days, 3X/wk. Regardless, that's a lot!
Back in the late 80s we would do 6 week blitz starting off with 750mg of cypinate 3cc, for two weeks, 500 for two and 250 for two then 3 months later do it again. 2 6 week cycles a year.
So let him debate Anabolic doc … is there such an interview ?
Haha..natural wimp shirt. What a goooofy dude
Ok,some want testing in bodybuilding? Ok everyone knows what the guys would look like without steroids,how about if the competitors were allowed to use only certain amounts of certain compounds? This allow a more level field of play,the big guts would go away and the guys would be healthier??? Just a thought
Naturally I can train 4-5 hours every other day. I have overtrained for years naturally so I'm use to it. If I can get a prescription I would use low dosages for longevity. I admire Robbie Robinson and Dexter Jackson for maintaining long term good physiques.
Probably use an above TRT dosage to get all the benefits without any of the negatives. Then experiment over time with what your body can tolerate. Get your bloodwork done every 4-8 weeks. Make sure your sources are legit.
4 to 5 hours i belive that with low weight an 15 min pauze between sets.
Moderate 1- 2 minutes rest and Heavy 3-5 minutes rest.
Responsible use is key. It's simple, take a bottle of dianabol and a bottle of Tylenol. Guess which one is guaranteed to be fatal if even half the bottle is consumed. Hint, it's not the one that's illegal.
Hypersensition!
his face is so red and unhealthy
THE MIND MILOS BUT PERSONALLY I WARN YA CHECK AND EVERY TIME CHECK YOUR SOURCE
If low dosages of steroids or TRT not dangerous then why do you still need a doctors supervision?
Because it's a clinical medicine
Most people are weak minded cookie cutters who cannot think for themselves. They believe if you give a doctor thousands of dollars to do what anyone with a functioning brain can do, it gives them safety and security.
TRT fantastic, however prostate cancer is a risk that need to be considered.
I swear all us Serbs pack on muscle so easy💪
big nut y’all all are on steroids dork
Giannis Magos Greeks like it in the ass especially there men
When Milos says the oxandrolone dosage Vlad doesn't get it.
I didn't either. Enlighten us please?
@@sunnysideup5826 very high dosage
130 mg per day thats huge
Scientific name for Anavar
@@dasmarkus1 130mg and your kidney would pray for mercy what a stupid dose i took 20mg with 1cc test cyp and i looked fantastic 205lbs 6%
Mighty Miloš🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸
600 sustanon 300 deca 250 boldenone a week and 50 oxy monday to friday thats good for mass and healty after 10 years of gear use i think..... 2 16 weeks cycles a year
@Cuss Blackstone 600 deca
250 test c
can add mast e 250
i love PED's, best shit since american made sliced bread (the highpoint of civilisation lol)
lollll didn't a guy with 40 inch arms say that lol
That's from bigger faster stronger. You're goddam right son roids are life.
Steroids are as American as Apple Pie
actually some of steroids where made by German, and Hitler created even more for experiments.
XP Gamer I was just gonna say that. Gregg Valentino for the win.
I think steroid use has kept my body younger and healthier, I'm scared to come off my body might breakdown. I need to see a knowledgeable dr to come off
I feel the exact same way. In fact I have no reason to ever come off. I am very aggressive at avoiding side affects even though I do not do blood work. Wish I could but I do not have the time or money to be running back and forth to doctors. Sides were not easy to overcome but I did it.
@@vikingstrongman5903 ....for now. Spend the money. Nobody escapes the damage to the endocrine system. Nobody.
The face burns kept his face looking pretty young, or maybe it's the genetics.
Common sense guy ,I like the way he thinks some of his views mirror today's problems
Has anything anyone ever said or recommended ever been true
Milos CAR !
I bet 90s bodybuilders used around 500 to a 1000 mg range of test a week..any dose above that you would probably have prostate problems cause that shit in the 90s was straight legit,really powerful..now for the average joe who is been training for a year and jumb to a gram or 2 of test no wonder why he dont believe these guys..if you need 2 grams of test to pack muscle on , bodybuilding is not for you.
Nasser admits to using 5 grams of just testosterone not including everything else.
Lol. "How many deaths can you point the finger directly at steroids?" ...Obviously, very little; it's essentially impossible to definitively point fingers to anything unless someone was kept under strict hospital ward control, by which all external variables were either eliminated or greatly reduced. That's ridiculous...anyone who is saying STEROIDS did it...ridiculous. But, PLEASE do not confuse this with steroids are harmless. They absolutely contribute to the early deaths of many bodybuilders and recreational amateur users alike. Taking copious amounts of anabolics on top large quantities of calories and protein, along with peptide use, along with diuretic use, along with extreme fluctuations in water and mineral balance, body fat % throughout given off and on seasons....they all contribute to an early death. And, it's all for the ridiculous notion of putting on a speedo, oiling yourself down and flexing your muscles in front of majority men.
On this interview he doesn't even mention having your blood done when using gear he just says to see a doctor and be safe with them. George Farat to me he is a better trainer he will not work with anyone unless he sees blood work results and yes he is married to a Doctor.
M.D. here. Blood work is just an indication that something went off but don't have you 100% covered. You guys that have nothing to do with medicine just here a phrase for example "blood work" from a guy you think is an expert and just go with it. All in all blood work is just as useful...that's it.
@@chrisballis5312 so its bullshit. Theres no proper way of taking steroids if im understanding
You should've asked him if injecting synthol directly into your vein is correct use or not.
He almost died lol
He's actually one of the few bb's who admit synthol usage and how he almost died from it, ruining his career.
Pity he didn't say yeah steroids will kill you i am just a lucky one i would have more respect for him he is almost 60 alot of users never make it to that age.
Let's make the least controversial statement in the history of sport right here: *no champion bodybuilder has ever succeeded without using steroids.*
Depends on what your definition of success is. Kai green and Ronnie Coleman were great bodybuilders and made professional status natural. Sure they went to ped's after but it's like any pro will tell you, if you wana be the best, you gotta do what they do!
No champion in any sports has ever succeeded without peds
@@pray4plagues666
They gained pro status without PEDs? And you've seen the test results that stand as the empirical evidence for this?
Seriously, if you have an iota of an idea about this sport then you would not continue to perpetuate this urban myth about Coleman! I have not heard this attributed to Kai Greene but it carries no more weight than the claim made by Coleman....and so often repeated by him.
Listen to someone like Milos Sarcev and salvation may come to you.
@@truthsayerq7264 yea I think Coleman was a pro without juice. But he was a nobody at the time. He looked amazing still. But we can all agree there's only 1 Ronnie Coleman. He's a freak of nature
@@pray4plagues666 no shit..
The question about olympic athletes was good. How many of them are natural? People really expect from them to be natural at this level? You have to sacrifice something to be the best in the world. Think about it. ;)
He looks like his blood pressure is through the roof!
Tell me you are JOKING?????
Not as red as Gregg Valentino. Also his face was badly burnt years ago so I'm sure that contributes.
We workout to be healthy and look healthy and feel healthy, and with all of this juice you just end up wrecking your body from the inside. Makes no sense to juice it up, but each to their own
Mustapha should change the coach. Chris Aceto wasn't even good with himself back then when he was competing. He didn't even know his body HOW CAN He KNOWS THE ATHER ATHLETES BODY. Every body rember when big ramy had him as coach potato, Ramy came too small and not the shape we were expecting from him. So Mustapha you know know what to do. Ths same thing apply to Sarcev, he had to participated at 1000 competition to win at last one Pro title and i tought was toronto Pro and the lane up was too weak. They should'n be coatching.Mustapha do as Ramy and go visit Chad Nicolls.
I think all drugs are bad. Especially recreational. But for bodybuilding you can get far naturally and then maybe start out slow. Like 200mgs of test or something. I hate even thinking about that though.
Don't live in denial man. Be smart with drugs and you might end up like Milos : awesome physique and respected bodybuilder. I'm waiting for this Corona stuff to end and I'm going on my first cycle.
zeemo my friend so I’m guessing you’ve been working out what a few years? Get to a good standard naturally give it 8-10 years of hardwork and dedication then even think of that. Medical doctors have come out and said not to do steroids it’s dangerous to your health regardless of the dosage, Milos and pros like that they have genetics that are superb and I can assure you majority would have trained many years naturally before gear. Try your best naturally first, go as far as you can go then think of it. Just my 2 cents coming from a champion Natural Bodybuilder.
zeemo
I’m not living in denial. And I don’t really even think about cycles since bodybuilding is just fun to me and I feel zero need to add drugs in the mix. You do you
Heavy metal fitness keep doing your thing bro! You look very good and are young already at a high standard. Unfortunately some people want a quick fix and take shortcuts think that’s what makes a champion...
@@vn5520 8 years natural training , I'm about 215 pounds with about 16-17% bf. I'm more than ready for the next step
Is just me or do most of you fast forward through the intro? Way to drag that shit out GI.
Milos doesn't take into account that all the deaths in fact is connected to the chemical unbalance BB's create when taking PEDs. The compounds mixed together creates a very unhealthy cocktail and the steroids are a significant factor in the heart and cardio vascular illnesses BBs so often get. You can smoke for 30 years too, you don't have to fall over dead the first year of smoking but it still significantly reduces lifespan and creates all sorts of health issues. That's so incredibly well documented over decades of studies. It's just fact. Same thing with roids, when tampering with your natural hormone balance your setting yourself up for trouble. Some manage to live with it better than others but you do increase the chanses of serious health damage. BB's don't drop dead at 32 because they eat too little vegetables. They die because they have used substances that weakens the health in so many ways. How many BB's needs to die young for people to get this? This PED game is like playing lottery with your health. Branch Warren just said the same in an interview, he considers himself lucky to have survived so far, but the thing is you really don't know what type of negative health consequences it may have further down the road. These things can develop slowly and take you out many years after you stopped taking the stuff.
Mike o hearn is from their era and looks better then all of them
Hes a fake natty
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Question, when one say 500mg testosterone per week, do they mean 500mg of testosterone molecular weight? Take testosterone enanthate for example. Its molecular weight is 400g/mol. Testosterone's molecular weight is 288g/mol. Hence, 500mg of testosterone enanthate contains only 360mg of pure testosterone and the remaining 240mg is the enanthate molecule
You're over complicating things with irrelevant information. Studies are typically done with long esters, ie cypionate or enthanate, they wouldn't never base it off the molecule. Dosages are done based off the drug administered.
Fair question. They mean a 500mg dose of the product as labeled, regardless of ester (cypionate, enanthate, propionate). So someone taking 500mg testosterone per week could inject 2ml of testosterone cypionate @250mg/ml concentration, or 5ml of testosterone propionate @100mg/ml, and both scenarios would be considered a 500mg weekly dose. You are right though, because propionate is a much lighter ester than cypionate, you are getting significantly more active hormone by using it.
@@iskillio good words.
Tamtam Micabalo fair questions it’s based off what your bottle would say:ie 200mgs per cc.
crap.
Milos = Insulin Indulegence
I wonder how much Milos paid for his teeth?
do you guys buy that milos never took more than 750mg of test every week?
@Ze TheGame i feel you on that. I mean i've used everything under the sun (except slin and gh) and ive had success using sub-500 test, high anabolics, and a solid diet. I still feel like 750 sounds a little low for a professional in Open.
What would be a possible reason for me to lie about it?
@@MilosSarcevOfficialCZcamsPage Not sure. Maybe you aren't. But I know how obsessive pro bodybuilders are, they are willing to push the envelope. If I'm training for the O, and 750 mg of Test works well, then I'm going to experiment with a gram +. They will try anything that may give them an edge based on what i've seen.
Ze TheGame also remember in the 80s,90s they could get pharma grade gear , quality was different
@@vincet5584 Yeah i've heard that. Victor Martinez recently said in an interview that the reason so many guys in the 90s looked great was because they had access to better gear.
Milos kome ti prodajes te price smjesne da si koristio 750mg test.depoa😂👏.. i to pred takmicenje covece ti nisi ispod 2grama testa tjedno..a za ol8mpiju uzimaju od 2-5grama testosterona
Misliš stvarno da uzimaju tolike doze? Ja mislim da testosteron u ogromnim količinama nedaje ništa osim velikih nuspojava , možda griješim.
@@eclipse8866 pa znam da je tako pouzdano,, 750mg testosteron ga održava, a takmicio se 2gplus velike doze HGH /Inzulina i anabolici da ne pričam,,,vjeruj znam to
Cronos the baby eater
Steroids will kill you! Eat healthy food and train right. Get plenty of sleep and drink water.💪🏾👍🏽. Don't do drugs. Don't listen to used car salesmen!
Everyone trying to justify juicing.. it is bad for you end of... It isn't healthy
Wish he would talk about steroids for women and dosages . Not just about men that use 👍
Would be great if we had subtitles for Milos. He doesn’t exactly have the best English 💪🏽
LOL...Trust me - sometimes I don't even understand what I said when I watch some of my videos
His English is perfectly clear. Certainly more articulate then most yanks or even brits
700 a week wow that’s a lot to me
But your 100 pounds.
That is steroids problem...so you have to take testosteron....I am 50+....never use anything....sport active all my life....still flying without this shit
After 30 yrs in bodybuilding I can tell you this guy who once had a top class physique.....is gonna drop dead..... 500mg /wk constantly at his age is just nuts. You can see it in his face. With his knowledge he should know better but that's his problem
If anything the mass he’s carrying will kill him i don’t believe testosterone is toxic to the body at all idk tho I don’t do roids
Thanks for telling us
Robert Jordan ofc that high t dose has side effects but I believe the sides would be hair loss acne etc testosterone alone won’t kill your kidneys or grow ur heart I’m not sure tho
@@escobarrich8753 it will grow your heart for sure and 500 is also enough to have a high bp, which miloz obviously has all the time (look at the color of his face).
@@knowitintobeing Steroids is the leading cause of hypertension which results in cardiac arrest and stroke for many known abusers. Not saying this guy is abusing it but his skin color tells all.
There's no correct use of drugs
Don't use it them, feel free to be a healthy DYEL all your life
That's just obviously not correct. If you have a medical condition, you need to take medication. There's no reason that would not extend to taking testosterone if you have low testosterone.
@@brenobonfim5749 dyel?
@@andreiarama8745 DYEL - Do You Even Lift - It's a term often used to describe gym goers that look like they've never touched a weight in there life.
@@shadowhawk7441 yes I used to and I still have a pair of barbells but now I run and bike mostly. When you realise that this sport is all build on a VERY BIG LIE and all the athletes are using drugs you go a different road. Plus do we want to talk about all the controversial Mr O wins over the years? About if one guy wants to compete in a different show to be banned from IFBB? 👎👎👎
Love listening to steroid users justify its use and downplay the negative outcomes of steroids