How GREAT was Ferrothorn ACTUALLY? - History of Ferrothorn in Competitive Pokemon
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Ferrothorn is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this overview of Ferrothorn in competitive Pokemon!
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REGARDING VGC PLACEMENTS: Once again, since this Pokemon was used so much, we have limited the mentions of placements for this video to those that tell the story of Ferrothorn’s development in VGC + high placing Ferrothorns. We apologize if anyone was missed. The full list of placements that we found are in our sources document linked above.
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0:00 - Intro
2:43 - BW/Gen 5 Singles
13:12 - BW/Gen 5 VGC
17:27 - XY/Gen 6 Singles
23:19 - XY/Gen 6 VGC
32:02 - SM/Gen 7 Singles
38:42 - SM/Gen 7 VGC
43:55 - SS/Gen 8 Singles
52:53 - SS/Gen 8 VGC
1:01:12 - Outro
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Whoops! 57:04. We did not mean to say Kartana in that list of Pokemon that Amoongus helped deal with. Kartana would be immune to Rage powder and Spore due to being grass type.
Yep
You made a single uncorrected mistake in this hour-long video? Unsubscribed; I can’t believe the lack of factual integrity on this channel. /j
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I find it a bit funny that you did gastly and haunter before Ferrothorn
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Ferrothorn with Rain teams is literally the embodiment of "aid me and I'll be your greatest friend, oppose me and I'll be your worst enemy."
With sun teams it be like:
"Idc what you do, just stay the hell away from me"
@@redtheraichu3938 💀
@@redtheraichu3938 o
@@redtheraichu3938 Yet Forretress was used on sun when it was viable in gen 5, but Ferro wasn't. Probably because slow Volt Switch paired with Rapid Spin if I had to guess. Imagine if Ferro had both of those
@@AnitaNapkin96 bh
Ferrothorn running hidden power fire is so funny. “I’m done taking this, it’s my turn!”
Ferro: "Hey you're grass steel too right Kartana?"
Kartana: "Yeah why?"
Ferro slotting in HP fire: "Oh no reason"
Ferrothorn was the Swampert of Gens 5-8
@@yof2210 Kartana: “What do you got there?
Ferrothorn with HP Fire: “…a smoothie”
@@ubermaster1 A Molotov smoothie.
Kartana: expects a free switch on Ferro
Ferro with HP Fire: *laughs in irony*
A testament to how great Ferrothorn is comes directly from the length of the video. This is, at the time of writing, the third longest episode to date, behind only the Charizard and Chansey/Blissey videos. However, both Charizard and Chansey have been around since Gen 1, Blissey's been around since Gen 2, and Charizard had gotten two Mega Evolutions and a Gigantamax form. Ferrothorn, meanwhile, has been around for half as long and has had no alternate forms discussed, but its history in the metagame is so profound, it demanded an hour-long video itself. It's just that good.
Y’ello! Knew you were already a fan of this channel.
Not to mention that Blissey and Chansey were both discussed each gen, while Ferro is just one mon
Yeah if the video is less than 15 minutes why even bother making a video about it?
@@richi5291 honestly what's crazy is that ferroseed is a great mon in lc and also ru I believe
Virgin Charizard vs Chad Ferrothorn
Ferrothorn can do everything so well, I'm surprised it doesn't have a move that does your taxes for you
Well if you use it right it can help pay your taxes
One thing it can’t do well is make for an ESP (Emotional Support Pokémon). You’ll just be asking for a trip to the ER.
I'm surprised it didn't get Spiky Shield for his withdraw.
Just Power Whip the IRS office.
@@Fireluigi1225 Filethorn
It’s crazy how ferrothorn just keeps getting better even with powercreep and gameplay changes over time.
Walls such as Ferrothorn, Toxapex and Chansey/Blissey get obviously better each gen as new powerful offensive Pokémon are released and rise to the top. Most of them just become another reason to use said walls to, well, wall them, and thus they keep rising in popularity
Will the new power of mons ruin competitive pokemon?
@@oluwaseyiadekunle9761 No, because Smogon's eternal rule of thumb is to just ban anything that threatens stall too much
@@WingedFish66 they ban anything that ENCOURAGES stall as a top tier strategy, such as a hyper aggressive meta like early gen 8.
similar to Ho-Oh
The fact that Ferrothorn has only been around for 4 generations and this video is still over an hour long is absolutely hysterical
Just wait until Landorus comes out.
2 forms and quite possibly the single most played Pokemon in competitive history, topping OU usage charts 4 generations in a row and being on every team in the top 8 of a worlds.
@@bmac4 Maractus sent it back to RBY so lets get that 7 hour long vid
@@bmac4 I think the title of most played Pokemon in competitive history is fiercely fought for against Tyranitar, and the two definitely have arguments (but the later generations where Lando is more popular are also more played, but if we even out the generations, I think Ttar wins
Landorus could easily be a 2 hours video if you had to dissect the success of both forms. I do not envy the day FalseSwipeGaming covers them both.
@@bmac4 Oh yea Landorus…… Forgot about that one. I think he might have to do a separate video for each form because otherwise it would be a two hour long video which no one would watch and he’d probably have to spend like a month making it. Also I honestly don’t it’s high on his priority list because I think at this point pretty much everyone knows that landorus is insane in competitive and knows why.
*Ferrothorn at a gen 5 job interview*
OU: So what are you bringing to the metagame?
Ferrothorn: *Yes.*
More like, Y E S
Gf office : so what you can do
Ferrathorn : hmmm ... yeh
OU: So what are you bringing to the metagame?
Ferrothorn: Silly, silly fool… I AM the metagame.
@@grantnesselroad7569 horrificaly true
Just note,ferrothorn only has a base stat total of 489,if they wanted to,they could give this an evolution
The world isn’t ready for EVIOLITE FERROTHORN
Ok I'm scared now it could become the best pokemon in ubers not to mention the evolite on ferrothorn
WTF HAVE YOU DONE!!!!
everyones talking about eviolite ferro but no one's talkign about just how busted ferro's evolution could be if it had literally any decent attacking stat
@@kehana2908 CB ferrothorn tech
I love mons like Ferrothorn that aren't legendaries or semi-legendaries and yet are this powerfull. You find it in a cave like other normal mons.
I feel Ferro has a very important place in the game, kind of like a brake check for teams that lean too hard into certain archetypes and encourages Balanced teams overall. Esp in Gen 7 where it was both the counter to and essential anchor of powerful rain teams.
it's not powerful, it's just bulky and annoying stall mon
I read "I love moms like Ferrothorn" at first...
Mons like these become a nuisance when you come across them 10 times in row and lose
@@Kambyday forces you to have a fire & fighting coverage on your teams. But nobody want to use fighting moves on ferrothorn because barbs unless it's aura sphere or unless you have protective pads
When your video is longer than Arceus’s, with “great” in the title, and a long time fan-requested, you know you’re one of the best.
I mean, VGC and being available in more than one tier, so yeah. Of course it is longer. ;)
The only thing that’s more requested is Lando
I am very concerned now about Landorus, that might actually be a standard 90 minute movie.
Or one of the worst.
*worst
The entire OU tier: "You are the metagame! Whatever comes through those gates, you stand your ground!"
(Ferrothorn with Body Press appears)
"RUN!"
Gen 8 ferro be like:
The meta game: So are you stall or offensive?
Ferro: *y e s*
Contrary Serperior, Ferrothorn, and Amoongus are the reasons why I believe the Gen 5 developers loved grass types.
Gen 5 was our big chance for a Grass-type Champion...
Should also add Whimsicott.
@@jaretco6423 I think Gen 7 made Bugs and Grasses better too.
Tons of great Bug mons, Leech Lifes actually good, etc.
Grass types being immune to powder moves, good grass mons (Lurantis comes to mind), etc.
They made sure everyone touched grass 🥦🍀
@@jaretco6423 steel was already great
I expected no less than an hour for this absolute gamechanger of a tank!
not long enough
@Depp. *it’s
@Depp. Also, you forgot a comma.
@@eliashornwall8546 That's a bot, but i think that sentence makes sense even without the comma
@@camillalapolentona8420 Yeah, you're right. Sometimes I just get this compulsive need to correct people's grammar mistakes. This being a bot, and the sentence working both with and without a comma makes it look pretty bad though, I'll admit. Still, I just really feel off people get things like it's, and its wrong, you know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Edit: I forgot a comma...
I had a tear in my eye for the last line - "It's a lonely job but it's what Ferrothorn does best."
8:10 - So basically, Ferrothorn vs Ferrothorn was the Gen 5 equivalent of Metapod vs Metapod
Essentially yes but like with slapping in the background
Without hearing "oh my" when someone says how hard their metapod is
Two top it off, ferrothorn does learn harden XD
Metapod vs. Metapod takes me back a minute! God that episode sucked!!
38:35 Absolutely terrifying levels of bulk. My jaw dropped upon seeing Ferro live that, even resisted.
It's finally here. One of the greatest walls Pokemon had ever seen.
One of the best competitive Pokemon imo
Goes to show that steel really is up there with fairy as the best type
One of the generic staple of hazard setters as well
Finally bro he did it
Can't wait for the toxapex movie
Ferrothorn is that guy every sport has that always shows up to practice/training, never skips a day, always signs up for any and all competitions and always does well. He might not win or even be the favorite at any given tournament, but anybody who has any aspirations or dreams of being the best knows they have to beat this guy to stand a chance.
This guy doesn't do anything fancy or surprising, it's just raw fundamentals, a healthy approach to life and the game, and a never say die attitude.
If you ask casual spectators who their favorite competitor is, not many people are going to mention this guy because he might be kinda boring, but anybody who knows a lot about the sport, either because they've been around for a long time or because they've competed themselves, all say that they respect the hell out of him for his consistency and commitment and they always know he'll put up a good fight and whenever there's a conversation among experts of who's the GOAT, he'll always be mentioned, not because he necessarily has a ton of trophies to his name, though he does have plenty, but because he's always there, at or near the top of the game, no matter what.
Well said man
Pin this Fukin Comment!!!!
the tim duncan of pokemon
Mr. Sandman ( Punch-Out character, difficult fight, didn't cheat even once ) of Pokemon.
So it's Rudy?
I'm surprised you guys hadn't already done this one, insane that it's over an hour. Fantastic work on the research on this as always!
Can't be too surprised. This Pokémon was specifically banned from being voted on for a long while now. But the longer they wait to cover it, the more content we get
The greatness of this Pokémon is the exact reason to why they haven’t covered it already. The videos an hour long cuz there’s so much to cover lol
Plus with how impactful it has been throughout all of Smogon singles and VGC doubles during SwSh's life, getting to it now means more data to evaluate its impact on both formats, even after the release of 2 expansions and the multitudes of Smogon bannings and VGC season changes. Both formats are still shifting. Any sooner would feel premature, especially with its VGC usage dropping, however slowly that may be
I’m fairly certain they’ve spent actual years working on this video in the background… they needed to do it justice, this dude is one of the most important Pokémon in the history of competitive
@@snuffysam nah it took like 2 months at most, remember they already made 2 vids of over an hour and other long vids loke deoxys and scizor, so... no
The fact that Ferrothorn was introduced in gen 5, and yet its fsg video is almost as long as Charizard's is truly inspiring
Weird coincidental fact:
As a little kid, I drew a fake Pokémon that I wanted as a grass starter
I wanted a cocklebur-those spiny sticky things that you sometimes get in your shoes-but made of metal and robot looking, because I wanted a mean looking grass type
Gen 5 got announced and I avoided spoilers
I made it to chargestone cave and when I found that a durian steel grass type that likes to stick to walls of caves was not only a thing, but was seen as one of the best Pokémon by a lot of people, I had found my favorite Pokémon to exist
Every time I replay BW, I add Ferrothorn
Rambling a lot, but I wanted to share
Cool
That's so adorable
I made a reptilian ankylosaur for a fire/poison starter that was kind of like a Camerupt/Salazzle.
It would have been slower and bulky like a Blastoise but a special tank like Camerupt or Turtonator.
that's pretty fun
@@JohnJonesBilly I'm dying to figure out why you're such a kid
The Ferrothorn Movie: at long last.
Competitive history aside, I love Ferroseed and Ferrothorn a ton design wise. Super unique!
Completely agree! it’s so awesome to see a Pokémon that has a great, unique design that looks cool on top of it all.
Then I probaly have the unpopular view to think it look at best okay.
Not realy unique or cool.
@@Acacius1992 Name another spiky metal grass thing
@@blobfish1649 hear me out, a metal maraca
Regional variant maractus confirmed?
@@jeremiahjacob4603 I have never really liked Maractus, but I would be happy for the 7 Maractus fans that are out there
we all know the biggest debuff to ferrothorn was moving its vines from attaching up to attaching to the ground. took a cool and threatening pose and made the poor thing look like an angry shrub :(
Hard agree. BRING BACK THE DYNAMIC POWER STANCE, GAMEFREAK.
They would have to create floating magic rocks for it to latch on to. 💚
Shut up you stupeed Gen Fiverr, go complain about the gen 6 sprites on a video complaining about them and not a video talking about competitive Pokemon
@@KristalyaNo, they wouldn't.
@@Kristalyaif Winged Pokemons can fly through nonsense wind, then why can't ferrothron hang from its vines
'We will keep it simple. Ferrothorn is simply one of the greatest Pokemon of all time.' Awesome statement pushed to the limit after an epic video.
Oh boy, can’t wait to see the insanity Ferro has caused in recent VGC formats and the insane Ferro tech in Gen 8
@Depp. spam
@@htlchtlc and self-promo as well
@@hecatomb1864 Did you not see the part where FSG talks about how it’s really good in doubles as a win con that can also do a good job at checking opposing rain teams and Kyogre focused teams in Doubles like the Swordfish Team?
@@hecatomb1864 It's not a VGC Superstar like the Genies, but Ferrothorn is definitely good in VGC and has seen a ton of tournament results, it's no Skarmory or Toxapex
@@hecatomb1864 Ferro has ALWAYS been good in doubles
Finally, we get the Ferrothorn documentary.
Unfortunately I clicked on the video and took Iron Barbs damage
It was worse for me, mine happened to be holding Rocky Helmet...
Ouch
@@eliyaskiya Yikes, I happened to hit him with Fury Swipes 5 times.
I tried clicking on the video.
I got knocked off my chair
I took an Outrage on it like 3 times and took an pain with iron barbs, than I gotten confused and smack myself like 2 times & fainted.
I’m so hyped for when he does Lando-T that’s gonna be insane. Based on how good this was that’ll be incredible
Soooooo what do ya think?
"Ah, yes, the ultimate defensive pokemon"
...
"Let's give him 94 attack"
And a 120 BP STAB, another STAB with flinch or one immensely powerful when combined with either TR and/or Curse. Oh yeah, and now there's Body Press
@@rufusconnolly8489 "What could possibly go wrong?"
Let's give it leech seed, t.wave, stealth rock, and curse :) and slap on a leftovers and ingrain
"Also let's release it in the generation where the weather that nulls its double weakness is omnipresent"
Let's also make curse viable with gyro ball, it's stab too :))))
Holy crap an hour long! I remember first seeing Ferroseed in Chargestone Cave, thinking it was really cool and wishing I could use it because Grass Steel is such a cool typing but I picked Snivy for my starter. When I saw Ferrothorn I hoped such a cool looking Mon would at least be viable and useable in competitive… I think an hour long video goes to show that my hopes were met, but to what extent is amazing. Keep up the great work FSGaming!
"At least be viable and usable in competitive"
Well ain't that a fuckin understatement lmao
"at least be viable and usable in competitive." Well, it's a bit more than usable lol
Bruh Ferrothorn is referenced in almost every FSG video
@@stellarknight04 fr, and its influence is stated in most of them.
@@ianluk8855 I remember hard countering an Outraging Flygon with it and after it was done I had already set up 2 Curses and smashed it with Powerwhip.
The fact that Ferrothorn was usually followed by the opponent bringing in their own Ferrothorn and then the battle turning into them just unga bunga-ing at each other is honestly kind of hilarious.
And that speaking like a caveman gag at 41:48 was funny.
It's like those rock-em sock-em robots that just punch each other, but with iron durians.
Like Goats just butting heads at each other over and over 😂
It's like an Metapod vs. an Metapod.
Basically the same with Pex. Smogon OU's long-term end game is Clef + Pex + Corv + Ferro + 2 future annoying defensive mons that all just stare at each other until the heat death of the universe.
@@12jswilson You know what they say: "Smogon loves stall.".
Watching this channel has really helped me see just how many meta defining pokemon Gen 5 bought. Ferro, Volcarona, Keldeo, , Excadrill, the genies. And that's without even talking about how much life hidden abilities breathed into older mons.
@@jaretco6423 i don’t think anyone ever says that in terms of the competitive scene. It’s usually the opposite, people usually associate gen 5 with when they turn power creep up a notch
@@notfabio9858 Yeah was just thinking that, criticism with gen 5 is usually power creep or bad/forgettable Pokémon design. Going from 4 to 5 and having entire teams become unviable even in lower tiers was such a dramatic shift. You can kinda see it now with how much different BDSP is with the lack of gen 5 pokemon.
Ferrothorn is so mean, he won’t let Executor and Slowbro get married in peace :(
Thank goodness Magnezone is an ally, he can easily stop Ferrothorn's homophobia
@@egbertmilton4003 If we come together we can stop Ferrothorn’s homophobia
@@Starguy-qm5se Now with the help of trans ally Amoongus!
@TheQuilavaQueen we can also summon trans icon shiny sylveon
Fun fact: Ferrothorn is one of two Unova pokemon that is not carried by any trainer in BW (outside of Battle Subway). The other is Zweilous.
Edit: I was wrong, Vullaby and Mandibuzz also fall in this category. I also should have specified non-legendary.
They knew it was too good
That’s funny I remember specifically getting and leveling up those Pokémon purely because I wanted to see those evolutions. Good times.
@@ChillavaKirby sameeee
Vullaby and Mandibuzz also fall into the same boat.
I guess that explains why I didn't know Ferrothorn even existed for a while...
Oh boy, here we go, it's the big one. While not longer than the Chansey/Blissey and Charizard remakes (though it's pretty dang close), those were Gen 1 Pokemon, while Ferrothorn was a Gen 5 Pokemon, which makes this even more significant
The fact that Ferrothorn has done as much as those gen1 pokemon while still being younger by comparison is a testament to Ferrothorn and its legacy.
Lando T's episode is gonna be a tv show season's length.
@@mr.boombasticc3924 I was gonna go with a lord of the rings trilogy’s length
Honestly charizard's vid started from gen 6 tbh
@@dabmonstr7403 Well pre Gen 6 Charizard only took 17 minutes of that video so... Yeah
With a base stat total of just 489, Ferrothorn is a *great* example of why BST is not the be-all end-all of a Pokémon’s viability. Ferrothorn has the perfect combination of a good ability, great typing, useable movepool and a solid stat *distribution* (which is just as, if not, *more important* than BST itself.)
With the bst it has, some say it may one day get a evolution.
Could this be a new theorom? The ferrothorn theorem, or why base stats may not be everything.
That’s because its speed is a dump stat. It wouldn’t really become any better if it had 30 more points in speed and had a total of 519.
More important unless you're Shuckle
@@1080lights Plus the opportunity of having trick room, for some gimmicky set
70-80 speed is the worst
Kyogre: The God of Sea and Rain
Groudon: The God of Land and Sun
Dialga: The Warden of Time
Palkia: The Warden of Space
Giratina: The Ruler of Distortion World
Arceus: The God of Gods
Xerneas: The Meaning of Life
Yveltal: The Meaning of Death
Zacian: The Hero of the Sword
Ferrothorn: spikes
Toxapex: toxic spikes lol
Chansey/Blissey: F A T
Damn, Zamazenta didn't even make the list. He got done dirty.
solgaleo is the god of sun
@@connivingkhajiit hes an ultra beast (I mean he is a legendary but in the lore hes an ultra beast)
Ferro thorn isn't just spikes,
he also uses leech seed
I used to underestimate Ferrothorn because I've been using Volcarona for a long time. But when people started using Knock Off, that was an astonishing punishment for the switch-ins. And if you don't pack a Fire-type, chances are Ferrothorn will wall at least 5/6 of your team
Even when you have a fire type it's a pain if it makes contact. Life orb speed Boost Blaziken which is what I run, while fully capable on OHKOing Ferro, has to worry about Rocky Helmet. If you are running Flare Blitz (most do, but I run Blaze Kick despite the endless objections of many) you are looking at a half dead Blaziken right off the bat.
@@ShadowNinjaMaster93 When you run Life Orb _and_ Swords Dance on Blaziken, it can sneeze on Pokémon and they die.
@@ShadowNinjaMaster93 i dont even run fire coverage i run sd protect thunder punch and close combat
Maractus: "Who are you fellow spikey plant?"
Ferrothorn: "I'm you. Only usable."
I just love how necrozma just absolutely nukes other pokemon with light that burns the sky and then ferrothorn is just there like 'nice attack, but not enough!' And then proceeds to kill it with gyro ball.
I love how gen 5 was considered to have a lineup of “This Pokémon is playing the role of this Gen 1 Pokémon” but then half of the roster are like Ferrothorn and completely bring something new and shook the meta so much that we still feel it’s effects today. Gen 5 seriously might’ve been the most important Pokémon game ever.
I’d give that to Gen 4, with good mons and the Physical/Special split
@@AshenDust_ It's a mix of both. Gen 4 was more influential through items and mechanics, while Gen 5 was the game that defined what modern Pokemon is as we know it.
Typing addition/swaps saved that comparison issue during gameplay. It probably inspired regional variants, give the old Pokemon new typing/abilities.
@@AshenDust_ The physical special split was the most important change yes, but ultimately everything else in Gen 4 was either additions to previous Pokémon (Babymoms/Final forms) But the Pokémon in gen 5 never got Megas because thy were already seen as competitively viable with more Pokémon in Gen 5 being in UU or Ubers than the other gens comparatively, more often.
@@boodstain Gen 5 overall brought infinite use of TMs, some completely power crept Pokémon, eviolite what only few Pokémon can actually take advantage of and addition of Hidden abilities with no regards for balance at all to a point that they immediately changed some of them in Gen 6 before those Pokémon could have those Hidden abilities officially, so everythings not exactly good what it brought to the series as most of Gen 6s changes were all about balancing that mess Gen 5 was in terms of meta and mechanics to a point that it made a much bigger impact to the series than what people give it credit for... Also helped by the fact that Gen 6 also finally stopped the decreasing fanbase/sales Pokémon was having issues with since Gen 3 and tried to fix that for years with no luck outside of DP.
I love to see Grass Pokémon being really good! Grass/Steel is such a cool combo.
That flamethrower coming from an emboar ko'ing it is a bit bad tho
@@dabmonstr7403 It's a small price to pay for the massive defensive buff for Grass.
*Laugh maniacly in heatran*
I find it funny how both Bug and Grass are considered generally bad defensive types, albeit with some rare valueable resistances (Ground/Water with Grass, Ground/Fighting with bug)
But toghether with still they combine amazingly well
@@Tintelinus bug steel and grass steel are probably 2 of the strongest type combos 💕🥳😭
In some ways, Ferrothorn is the Vegeta to Quagsire's Goku. On one hand, you have this serious beast blessed with natural strength and skill, a dominant threat who can challenge even gods. Then you have the dumb goofy guy who's been around for longer and, despite being dismissed as "low-class" and "weak," is right up there in the big leagues with him.
In that regard, would Clodsire be the GT Goku or the Goku Black of SV?
@@aubueruser7228 GT Goku. Clodsire is not evil.
@@Leet-iz2fz Stallsire mood
Bruh, why does this work so well? Lol
The 4 horsemen of OU -
1. Landorus-T
2. Ferrothorn
3. Garchomp
3. Heatran
Two done, two to go.
magnezone gliscor tyranitar blissey + Chansey and zapdos
tyranitar, chansey and zapdos?
@@joelmiller4741 tyranitar was fallen chansey blis keeps falling and rising even zap was UUbl at time
Just got heatran to go
The prophecy has been fulfilled
Isn't it funny that they took those annoying spiky seed pods known for nothing more than inspiring velcro and getting stuck on your clothes, and turned 'em into a carnivorous tripod BEAST that can laugh in the face of gods?
That's why I love Pokemon. Any creature can become an absolute menace.
In other words; Arceus.
Salamanders too. As in the actual amphibian salamanders. Quagsire will shrug off the best shots of world-ending horrors without ever stopping smiling.
And then British fraudulent archeology destroyed the world.
@@ZorotheGallade Quagsire regularly traumatizes gods.
We will no longer have to see "No requesting Ferrothorn" in the community voting. What a time to be alive.
Off to request Ferroseed then.
And now I'm predicting the May Patreon pick to be Ferroseed
Heatran time
Give it a few years, we'll want an update on our thorny friend
Off to request landorous
Note: While ferrothorn is definitely a factor in zacian running sacred sword, the main reason zacian runs sacred sword is so that it doesn't have to deal with defense drops, as defense drops make it harder to use zacian's good bulk, something a lot of players are investing in right now. Also noted that ferro has fallen off a fair bit due to the rise of rinya sun and swordfish teams transitioning to rilla as their grass type.
What is Rinya?
Defense drops? You mean defense boosts?
@@skeetermania3202 I manual they mean running sacred sword over close combat. Both works I guess.
We must let Ferro rest, they've carried too long (or made you pissed) and need a well deserved rest
Ferrothorn might be the first Pokemon I've seen that has a decent HP stat with good Defense and Special Defense. The best you'll often see from wall and tank Pokemon is to have 2 of those 3 things going for it, like Blissey's high HP and Special Defense but terrible Defense, or Shuckle having both great defenses with awful HP. Ferrothorn's only weakness is, well, it's only weakness, fire (I forget if grass makes it neutral to fighting). A neutral hit from either the physical or special side will just be shrugged off.
And when the Pokémon has all three it has a bad typing, like Calyrex-Ice Rider.
@@iantaakalla8180 lmao toxapex
@@alexbeauchamp8627 toxapex has just 50 HP. It's just great because it has 3 million support moves like Ferrothorn. Otherwise it's raw bulk is on par with Victini and Manaphy
BW1 was my first game, and to this day I remember the moment my Ferrothorn tanked a Flamethrower from Ghetsis’ Life Orb Hydreigon despite being 5 levels lower. I’ve never even heard of competitive battling but since then Ferro was my favourite Pokémon
11 years later, still dominating OU and Ubers with 489 BST makes me so proud. Super excited it finally got its own episode!
His Hydreigon didn't have a Life Orb in BW1 but it did use Fire Blast instead of Flamethrower. Impressive either way.
@@yorecf9641 whoops you’re right. Must have remember the move wrongly, but I vividly remember it living the fire move and doing like 50% back with Gyro Ball
its crazy how minmaxed ferro’s stats are
bst doesn't really matter ferrothorn just has an actual good stat spread with no nonsense involved whatsoever
@@Jollofmuncher2000 plus an ability that compliments its stats and typing well.
More like how ABSOLUTELY AMAZING was Ferrothorn. I couldn't imagine the insane amount of research and editing required to make a video on Ferrothorn. No wonder there was no video last week. Even it's pre-evolution was incredible in low tiers and Little Cup. A video of it's success could only be rivaled in scope by Landorus/Landorus-T. Ferrothorn is the most successful grass type of all time. Gen V completely redefined what it meant to be a OU staple, with mons like Ferrothorn, Volcarona, Excadrill and Landorus taking the lead. Ferrothorn is one of the best Pokémon of all time and will continue to be in future games.
“How dominant was ferrothorn”
well said
> A video of it's success could only be rivaled in scope by Landorus/Landorus-T.
Did you forget Tyranitar exists lmaoof
Ferrothorn's stats always seemed odd to me. Like 74, not 75? 131, not 130? 116, not 115? Oh well, at least the speed stat is divisible by 5. It seems like all the stats were designed around the speed stat.
What I love about Ferrothorn is even though it is absolutely amazing it never felt broken, overpowered or unhealthy. I can't imagine a metagame in current times without Ferro and I don't want to either
Scarlet and violet: howdy!
Personally love assault vest ferro, nobody expects the extra special bulk. They especially don't expect it to OHKO their switch in (on a resisted hit in some cases.) Though ofc it is still scared to death of staying in against fire and/or fighting stabs.
+Atk - Speed, max Atk + Hp, rest in Def or Spdef
Gyro Ball
Power Whip (Seed bomb just doesn't ko on most neutral switch ins)
Body Press
Knock Off
im surprised ferrothron never got "spiky shield" added to its movepool during gen 6 or 7. i also want this mon in pokemon unite
No need to buff this thing even more.
No. Just no
Iron Barbs, Rocky Helmet as a held item, and Spiky Shield... That seems like the most counter damage a pokemon could do. And hella punishing. Could even give Zacian some issues if it were a thing in Gen 8 (Behemont Blade counts as contact, right?).
@@RyusparkX *Zacian used Close Combat*
@@superzockertvyt9630 Its not very effective on Volcarona...
*Its STABs too*
Just know, the fiery bugs completely wall Zacian if it doesnt have Crunch\Wild Charge
back when I first played BW, I fell in love with this mon and drew a lot of fan art and even made an animation of it with flash. years later my friends still remember my obsession with it and gifted me a ferroseed plushie
"We're going to give Ferrothorn insane defenses and make it very slow."
"Wouldn't that make it bait? It can't defend itself."
"Aha, there's the catch. It can. Give it 94 attack."
"You know what, scratch that. Let it attack using its Defense."
Grass/steel is a pretty good type combination. Despite 4x weakness to fire, you're safe against poison, ice, ground, water, and a lot more
Also some Fighting type attacks
@@IgnitedQuils still not 4x weak
I love the interactions bug and grass have with steel. Steel cancels out most of their weaknesses and gains resistances and an immunity in exchange for a 4x weakness. Bug and grass also cancel out steel's weakness to ground (bug also cancels the fighting weakness). Despite bug and grass being seen as a mediocre type, they combine with steel for great combination.
@@pergrineheel3018 Same, I’d love to see more grass/steel types too. Maybe then Gen 9 grass starter will be grass steel
@@notfabio9858 a grass steel cat would be cool
One of the best well made competitive Pokémon. I love this thing.
Another thing too, I always found Ferrothorn to be kinda adorable
Please report the stupid bot.
One of the most wall made competitive Pokémon
And by "Well Made" what needs to be said is that it not only means "good" but also "fair"
Ferrothorn has countless great traits, but it's perfectly fair as it lacks reliable recovery outside of Leech Seed etc, it's not like Toxapex which feels completely cheap in singles or Incineroar in Doubles, those are just bullshit mons
@@Tangrowth_Fan it’s the lack of a mouth that makes it adorable to me, don’t get why
As someone who LOVES grass and who started playing in gen 5, Ferrothorn is one of my favorite mons of all time. so this was just wonderful. Thank you!
“What else could it take on? Oh you know, just ARCEUS” has gotta be one of my new favorite sentences ever spoken.
funnily enough, even though ferro is a great wall, stall usually can't fit it because stall as a playstyle already gets 6 0ed by magma taunt heatran so slapping on more mons that get smashed by tran is a bad idea.
Ferro is more of a tank, it can take a few hits and dish it back with Gyro Ball, Power Whip, or Body Press
It's actually more cause leech seed is bad recovery and magnezone exists, Heatran isnt too big of a deal
Thats why I usually run either Quagsire or Gliscor in my stall teams to hard counter Heatran.
@@hugopereira2241 the hell are you smoking trying to counter heatran with scarf magnezone. those things run damn near max spdef.
@@1peidu Countering Ferrothorn with Magnezone, not Heatran
28:37 "Free Hugs" has to be the best nickname for a Ferrothorn I have ever heard.
Give yourselves a pat on the back for finally tackling this behemoth. Way to go, False Swipe team!
Now I wonder if we'll ever see a ferroseed video. Something tells me the li'l guy will manage to get a video longer than videos about quite a few fully-evolved 'mons.
Ferrothorn died, guys. He is a victim of dex-it. Press F to pay respects for the bastard durian.
Ferrothorn: Please, Revival bless me in the DLC
@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146 We need the swiss army nut back in the metagame with how many nukes are being thrown around this generation
@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146welp...
@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146welp...
F
With a Pokémon like Ferrothorn, "great" doesn't even begin to describe how much of an impact it has made since its debut, and how much of an impact it will make for generations to come.
I just wonder what it'll take to make it end up like skarmory or starmie. I guess ferrothorn managed to prove itself over them by not being done in by a pair o' shoes (which seemed to theoretically be a problem for it, given its playstyle). But time will tell if something does show up to achieve the impossible and dethrone it.
Or, who knows, maybe Gamefreak will eventually get sick of it and make it another victim of Dexit.
@@jaschabull2365 Maybe they'll just introduce 10 different Fire type lines that would be really good in OU
@@jaschabull2365 or create a new Grass/steel that is a Ferrothorn 2.0
Ferrothorn is one of my favorite Pokemon of all time.
I always wanted a Grass/Steel type.
Ferrothorn is basically an old truck with 300,000 miles to its name and it still runs better and more reliably than all the models that have come out after its introduction.
pex
And all this from a Mon with an under 500 BST. Just goes to show how important stat distribution is (of course typing, move pool, and abilities as well).
Keep in mind its Speed and Special Attack are both not good but the stats that matter for it are.
The fact that Ferrothron has more to talk about than all 4 Deoxys forms combined scares me
Unlike the Deoxys forms that fell out of favor in gen 7, Ferrothorn still did its job well in ubers and it even survived the dexit to Galar.
Deoxy is just an poor cross between Mewtwo, Arceus & Rotom.
@@jaretco6423 poor? wdym
Well, Ferro sees use in OU/Ubers AND VGC in every generation its been in, while Deoxys ONLY exists in Ubers because Mythicals are banned in VGC
Basically, Deoxys is only good in Gen 5 and below. Ferrothorn will never become irrelevant.
This was one of my Pokemon I used in the Battle Subway in Black 2, and I was able to achieve 49 wins in the Super Single thanks to this Pokemon, including Haxorus and Volcarona.
May I ask what was your Ferrothorn's moveset?
@@spacemonkey0809 Power Whip, Gyro Ball, Curse, Rest (holding Rocky Helmet)
@@AceDragonXX Oh, that's very cool. Thanks for replying.
Curse + Gyro Ball was such a good set for farming the Subway, especially when paired with Chandelure like I did, they work really REALLY well together
How difficult was to achieve the 49 wins with this team? I mean how many tries it tooked? I been trying to get that many wins and is taking me forever, I tried many teams and get 35 at most
All of Gen4, Water Types felt almost busted because their only real counter (grass types) really really struggled to make a lasting impact, since Grass has sooo many resists. Meanwhile Grass Types always had to fear Ice Attacks, ensuring Water Types made progress. Roserade showed the potential of a Spiking Grass type that used hazard stacking to ensure progress, but its fear of Physical Water types and Ice Beams always made it shaky as a general purpose Water-Type counter. Even before Gen 5’s announcement there were actually more than a few players in Smogon theorymonning/wishing for a well rounded bulky Grass/Steel type that used Spikes or otherwise had a way of forcing progress outside trying to use Grass Attacks. At the time we wished for such a Mon as a needed balance to the overwhelming dominance of Bulky Waters, but we didn’t think its actualization would not only end the the archetype of Suicune/Milotic/Swampert-like Pokémon completely, but become one of the most dominant OU Pokémon of all time.
Well water types wouldn't have been that strong if only they didn't slap ice beam on every water and their grandma as well as having Poison be SE against Water which should've been a thing since gen 1. Water types pre gen 4 were only weak to special types which made pokemon like Milotic and Kyogre FAR more annoying to take down than they should be.
this is something i did not expect coming back home from school
👀 Imagine if ferrothorn had reliable recovery *shudders*
lefties and leech seed is plenty reliable tbf
Lol what if they gave it synthesis?
@@Retro89Dec There's a good reason they never gave it
@@Retro89Dec and maybe metal burst?
Ubers. I'll just put it that way. Ferrothorn would be Ubers with reliable recovery and so would be Landorus-T.
I think Ferrothorn is one of those rare pokemon that completely changes the face of OU without "overcentralizing".
It is an absolute powerhouse of a threat that NEEDS to be one most, if not all, teams. But if the temperature rises above 80 degrees Fahrenheit, it absolutely turns to ash and molten metal. Fire is not an uncommon attacking type. It makes sure that both teams are using it, but it's easy to deal with. It keeps the meta from being centralized because you need a counter for Ferro...and a counter for its' counters. And a counter for *its'* counters. And a bulky Grass/Steel, a strong and/or fast Fire, and a similarly bulky Water...is just half your team *anyway*. And it's not for one pokemon because that Water-type is likely going to be there ANYWAY because Bulky Waters are a staple.
Happy to see this. I remember that back then during early Gen 5, I found forum posts questioning Ferrothorn's viability and purpose because many just didn't see how valuable of an addition it was to a team.
It's interesting to see how competitive knowledge evolved. Now Ferrothorn's viability is just visibly obvious. Steel type is that good.
19:38 glad you said this because I liked to give ferrothorn rocky helmet and my other tank usually got the leftovers. I loved throwing people off with the extra damage after iron barbs especially if they used a move with recoil lol
Chansey: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
Ferrothorn used Body Press!
@@autobotstarscream765 the trick is that chansey is holding focus sash and the battle is in a simulation of gen 4 hp bars
Heatran + Ferrothorn + Landorus T have been my go to Bread and Butter core since basically forever and it's nice to hear more about Ferrothorn
What about Rotom?
@@jaretco6423 rotom isn't amazing in gen 8 OU, while lando, ferro and hetran make up top 3
I think 70% of my Gen 7 teams had this core
@@moss7910 rotom wash never had scald
These are the GOAT mons of competitive.
it's funny, only after playing Pokemon GO and doing the pvp did I fall in love with Ferrothorn, and its rather opposite counterpart, Kartana
ferrothorn has been on my competitive pokemon journey since the beginning. by white 2, I was old enough to understand online battling. I put him on a Ttar sand team. to this day, he has been on my series 12 rain team.
some things never change
"This feature length film is sponsored--"
HECK YEAH, dude. With a video that's THIS long, I'm glad you're getting some guaranteed revenue from it.
“It’s MY sleepover, I GET to choose the movie!”
this is the 2nd pokemon I ever knew about, first obviously being pikachu. I saw it on the first ever pokemon card i got and now its one of my favourites
I got back into Pokemon during XY, but didn't start competitively battling until ORAS. I remember watching Poketubers and wondering why a slow and fairly ugly Pokemon with a 4x Fire weakness was so common in their wifi battles. Then I started competitively battling myself and realized just how incredible Ferrothorn was
he ain't ugly
Keep it mind. Ferrothorn has had four fewer generations than Charizard. And its video is only four minutes shorter.
and it wasnt even amazing in vgc
ferro is probably the best singles pokemon in history
@@gotdamn4989 Lando is probably better but both these guys have immense utility
To be fair,50 minutes of the zard video were about gen 6 and 7
@@michaelswagachu8808 lando t is probably better
@@gotdamn4989 Lando covers 90 percent of my team builder 💀
Several videos for some really important mons, such as Groudon and Kyogre, were made in previous years while they are continuing to make huge impact in the current meta game. Hope to see a update for those videos in the future.
I'd say some of the earlier reviews like starmie and gengar could definitely use a revisiting. Those guys' reviews were too early to cover even gen 7.
I knew Ferrothorn’s video was gonna be a lengthy one and boy was I right! I’ve been so interested in how Ferrothorn performs throughout the generations because I know it is very popular and reliable, but I did not know to what extent. I’m glad this video gave me a lot of insight into just how amazing Ferrothorn really is! Thank you False Swipe Gaming team! 🙏
Swore I’d never watch the hour long videos and Ferrothorn isn’t even a favourite, but I broke it up into bits and here we are. Can’t imagine how much went into making this, so very nicely done to the whole FSG crew 👍
Well, if Ferrothorn is one of the best pokemon of all time, I cant wait to see what he says about Landorus-T
You know this thing is amazing when its video length is the same as Chansey and Blissey even though it only had 3 gens
Since it had better VGC experience and has been constantly in OU while both have been at UU at least once
And only being a couple of minutes shorter than Charizard and its two mega evolutions
4 gens.
@@IgnitedQuils To be fair, more tiers are covered in the Chansey/Blissey video.
I stuck to the end and each and every single time i end one of your video's i'm amazed. Also during the outro you show a how GOOD where ice types actually screenshot. I know this is an old one but i do keep wondering if you ever do any other types.
Keep up the great work man, i love these video's.
One funny thing is, when I was younger, I used to have in a team a Ferrothorn with Rocky Helmet and Curse, Power Whip, Payback and Gyro Ball as it moves, and it still was performing decently well. So, I guess, even with its most inconvenient sets, a Ferrothorn is a fucking Ferrothorn XD
YAHOO! To say that I've been waiting for Ferrothorn to be covered after always hearing it mentioned on this channel is an understatement and then some!
I’ve been waiting for this day.
Thanks for this massive and comprehensive Ferrothorn video. Ever since I picked Ferroseed up for the first time playing Black this thornball has been a favorite of mine.
I think that one of it's most interesting characteristics is that it keeps showing up in VGC too, truly versatile.
Thank you so much for covering Ferrothorn! I know this video had to have been an ordeal to make, but trust me, it was absolutely with it!
God what an amazing Pokemon. I'm always happy when a Gen 5 Pokemon is good in competitive, especially a non-legendary, so naturally I'm overjoyed to see Ferro be not only good, but one of the best Pokemon of all time.
Just make sure to keep it away from fire haha.
Ferrothorn and Ferroseed is finally here. I’m not even the biggest fan of Generation 5 but I respect how formidable and important this mon is.
Thanks for an awesome analysis of one of if not the best Pokémon in Gen V OU.
Edit: Okay so Ferroseed is not in this video but I am betting we will get it soon, where it played like it’s older evolution in the lower tiers. Maybe even the next video.
What's funny is that ferroseed isn't even included in this video. It's an hour long even WITHOUT the similarly powerful pre evolution's adventures in the lower tiers.
Ferroseed's solo video is also gonna be easily 25 minutes long I presume since in every single generation it is viable in 1-2 lower tier AND Little Cup
@@sephikong8323 Yeah probably. Although it depends on how much they have to say about it considering it has a similar role to ferrothorn but without a vgc presence.
As a ferropex main in casual gen 7, I'm glad to see one of the 2 best tanks in the game getting an in depth analysis for those who want to get into competitive pokemon.
This video taught me a lot about various metas throughout gens 5-8. Watched it a few times to digest all the information
Damn, I would love more longform pokemon coverage. This was a ton of fun, thanks FSG team!