WHO'S THE BEST FROG COMMANDER IN cEDH - PLAY TO WIN vs THE GRIM TUTORS

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  • This week we're joined by The Grim Tutors to find out which Frog Commander is best in cEDH
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Komentáře • 160

  • @MomirViggwilv
    @MomirViggwilv Před rokem +95

    Turns out the best frog in CEDH is Orcish Bowmanster

  • @Inspectornills
    @Inspectornills Před rokem +71

    you know what, Orcish Bowmaster just proves to be a great card to me because it showed that is still a worthwhile way to win in a competitive format that heavily favors combos.

  • @barrelofbugs
    @barrelofbugs Před rokem +62

    This was was the episode I have been waiting for my entire life.

  • @Xeno-MTG
    @Xeno-MTG Před rokem +65

    Completely forgot Yargle and Multani were a thing, I thought we'd see Orvar in the pod :D

    • @SirPoonga
      @SirPoonga Před rokem +1

      It's a fun deck. I have a more casual version. BUT it usually ends with me drawing my entire deck by repeatedly saccing Yargle. Then either winning with Phycosis Crawler, Altar od Dimentia, or mass life drain.

  • @GrimTutorsMTG
    @GrimTutorsMTG Před rokem +36

    What a game, we had a blast! Thanks again for having us, we will be returning the favor soon! 🖤

  • @paxman192
    @paxman192 Před rokem +16

    You seemed to accidentally run the intro twice 😮

  • @Xeno-MTG
    @Xeno-MTG Před rokem +36

    Still waiting for the "Who's the best Esper Sphinx in cEDH" episode :)

    • @GrimTutorsMTG
      @GrimTutorsMTG Před rokem +2

      We all built tivit out of spite

    • @michaelatbarnett
      @michaelatbarnett Před rokem +2

      Tivit, Sharuum, Raffine.....who we getting in as the fourth?

    • @Xeno-MTG
      @Xeno-MTG Před rokem +5

      @@michaelatbarnett Yennett

    • @Buchaus
      @Buchaus Před rokem

      Or Elenda and Azor for the lulz

  • @UnuUO
    @UnuUO Před rokem +7

    this might be the most important CEDH question of all time. you should dedicate an entire podcast episode to it

  • @moodyzebra
    @moodyzebra Před rokem +9

    I’m starting to think Cam and Dylan just have these personalities that highlight guests/others. Found PTW bc Cam was on a Tolarian episode and thought this dudes cool. Then they just keep getting rad guests on the show. Thanks for being stellar guys.

  • @awesomesauce_3516
    @awesomesauce_3516 Před rokem +47

    11:10 T+G's ability is not a may, so Oblivion would have had to sacrifice something there.

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Před rokem +16

      Good catch

    • @GrimTutorsMTG
      @GrimTutorsMTG Před rokem +21

      No kidding, who reads the card? (Not her)

    • @dylanh8163
      @dylanh8163 Před rokem +7

      @@GrimTutorsMTGor anyone else at the table. Mistakes happen

    • @Buchaus
      @Buchaus Před rokem +11

      ​@@dylanh8163 (psst that's Oblivion making fun of herself)

    • @dylanh8163
      @dylanh8163 Před rokem +9

      @@Buchaus well i look like a fool, lol

  • @gaarden2000
    @gaarden2000 Před rokem +2

    Hey! Just watched the short involving Dauthi Voidwalker and Grolnok, where you assume Grolnok to be a replacement effect. It is actually a triggered ability because it says "whenever", so since Dauthi is a replacement effect (since it says "if (...) instead" it'll exile the cards before Grolnok gets to trigger

    • @gazza4589
      @gazza4589 Před rokem

      Came here to say this. Magic is hard sometimes. Lol.

    • @gaarden2000
      @gaarden2000 Před rokem +1

      @@gazza4589 For sure! It's an extremely involved game and I can't blame anyone for getting things like this wrong

    • @MullToNone
      @MullToNone Před rokem

      Exactly

  • @kylezuccarini3832
    @kylezuccarini3832 Před rokem +5

    Just a heads up on the short that was just posted. I don't think grolnok is a replacement effect, rather a trigger that happens if a permanent is put into their graveyard, so in the example on the short getting milled with a dauthi would exile them before they even saw the graveyard. Regardless love the show guys! Thanks for the fun content!

    • @MullToNone
      @MullToNone Před rokem +1

      Exactly, came here to say this

  • @michaelatbarnett
    @michaelatbarnett Před rokem +5

    I appreciate these episodes because they show that even in cEDH you can have fun theme pods, and thats just really fun to me.

  • @pe3der
    @pe3der Před rokem +1

    Great episode, @GrimTutorsMTG were awesome and that intro cracked me up

  • @lumi2642
    @lumi2642 Před 11 měsíci

    This was a great showing of Thalia Gitrog and Orcish Bowmasters, just keeping others behind with the lands and the creatures is insane!!
    Thank you guys for the video!

  • @raddestoflads7771
    @raddestoflads7771 Před rokem +1

    This video was good asf, I think that theme videos like this are good for seeing new decks

  • @jankzgsoldier9396
    @jankzgsoldier9396 Před rokem +2

    Dang, funniest intro ever. Caught me unaware. Also heavenly to see Cam playing the great almighty hypno toad. Was actually surprised you didn't get punished by the turn 2 gitrog play as usually Jeweled lotus is a bait into setting you back further, but I understand that you were behind lands. Rip. Sad you couldn't cast the ad naus! (At least I thought I saw it slip from your hand) Better luck next time! Great episode!❤

  • @lokumo13
    @lokumo13 Před rokem +3

    Ayy this was the exact pod Cam played Magda under the Aven Mindcensor in Minneapolis!

  • @gagoosh
    @gagoosh Před rokem +1

    just noticed the berserk volumes. Very nice, I like.

  • @Jimmythehead
    @Jimmythehead Před rokem +1

    Loved Pez doing Dylan’s eyebrow thing in the intro!!

  • @xOptoger
    @xOptoger Před rokem +28

    I think the Godless Shrine from Flagstones at 10:00 comes in tapped even if you pay 2.
    Also Thalia + Gitrog is not a May trigger so you have to sacrifice every attack.
    I dont think this changed the game at all aince T+G was already super ahead.

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Před rokem +12

      the shock was just played and the basic planes from flagstones came in later

    • @mimiklureaegis9906
      @mimiklureaegis9906 Před rokem

      Note: all nonbasic lands you control do NOT come into play tapped because T+Gm says “nonbasic lands your OPPONENTS control come into play tapped.”

    • @brycematthew3115
      @brycematthew3115 Před rokem +2

      @@mimiklureaegis9906 Flagstones puts the land into played tapped.

    • @mimiklureaegis9906
      @mimiklureaegis9906 Před rokem

      @@brycematthew3115 ah, my bad.
      😬

  • @MC_amp7
    @MC_amp7 Před rokem +1

    That ribbot was one of the best transitions I’ve ever seen.

  • @asn101
    @asn101 Před rokem +5

    [4 years ago]
    “What is the best frog commander in cEDH?…You are literally joking….how many frog commanders do you think they’ll ever print let alone actually be playable?”
    [3 years from today]
    “Today we are answering the question ‘which is the best horse commander in cEDH? We have Cam on Bill the Pony’s Carnival of Death…”

    • @mimiklureaegis9906
      @mimiklureaegis9906 Před rokem +3

      “‘Shadowfax shows us the meaning of Haste,’”
      And two other legendary horses. I guess one is a Sultai Kelpie, and…..a Nightmare? A Hippocampus?…reverse Centaur?
      🤣

  • @TheWaffleDad
    @TheWaffleDad Před rokem +1

    I loved the guests this episode!!

  • @tlow5766
    @tlow5766 Před rokem +2

    I remember a few years ago, my group discussed, whether a frog commander was even possible.
    Now we discuss which one is the best. We live in glorious times!

  • @loganowens623
    @loganowens623 Před rokem +6

    I've been obsessed with Thalia and the Gitrog since it came out and this is such a great showing of how good it can be! I love the cEDH build, I recently made a high power casual legends version that is also super nasty...

    • @MTG_Ronin
      @MTG_Ronin Před rokem

      I tried to build a cEDH version but it wasn’t fun (I don’t mind stax at the table… but I don’t enjoy playing it myself). Went HP casual with mine as a Gates deck with Kodoma lines as a backup.

    • @loganowens623
      @loganowens623 Před rokem +1

      @@MTG_Ronin yeah, my legends build is minimally staxxy, more grand abolisher effects than rule of law stuff, disruption of abilities more so than limiting spells. Ya know, drana and linvala and yasharn stax, ya know?

  • @brightonpopsoff4970
    @brightonpopsoff4970 Před rokem +2

    Loved Dylan’s “uh oh” after any level of threat lmao

  • @Highwang
    @Highwang Před rokem +4

    Man that Bowmaster tore shit up this game.

  • @maxwelllebreux5198
    @maxwelllebreux5198 Před rokem +2

    How many games do you record in a pod? Would love to see a clip or video of each deck performing(winning/combining off) in a video. Big fan of seeing decks do there thing

  • @wosc
    @wosc Před rokem +1

    Loved the intro by the guests :)

    • @thomasmoore4813
      @thomasmoore4813 Před rokem +4

      Had to chuckle at Pez mimicking Dylan's mannerisms during the intro, particularly the sideways glance at "Cam" and the eyebrow motions

  • @ToadallyTrevor
    @ToadallyTrevor Před rokem +2

    This video is my dream come true thank you 🐸 Frogs Forever baby

  • @Fogshaper
    @Fogshaper Před rokem

    I know that this comment doesn't refer to this video but you posted a Short today about the interaction of Grolnok and Dauthi Voidwalker. While your statement in the short is correct; if two replacement effects apply, the owner chooses, that ruling doesn't apply in the Grolnok/Dauthi case. Grolnoks ability is a triggered ability (you recognize those by the "Whenever") and Dauthi is a replacement (Recognizable by the "if" and the "instead"). As such, Dauthi's ability replaces the putting into the yard, which leads to Grolnok never triggering.

  • @TripsAhoy
    @TripsAhoy Před rokem +1

    Didn't expect a Heroic Intervention!

  • @Googleflax
    @Googleflax Před rokem +5

    I know it wouldn't have been the RIGHT call, but I'd have loved to see Dylan Vamp Tutor for Giant Growth and just one-shot Pez.

    • @62451
      @62451 Před rokem +4

      I was expecting (and wanting) that, but I think he didn't because pez wasn't an issue at the time and killing individual players comes at a cost of "if someone else becomes a problem there is one less person that can deal with it". BUT it would've been so funny

  • @jackstork1130
    @jackstork1130 Před rokem +2

    This is outrageous, Grolnok has officially been played on the channel more than K’rrik

  • @BurgerManStan
    @BurgerManStan Před rokem +1

    Next episode can we do only minotaur commanders? Like mogis,neheb, firesong and sunspeaker, etc

  • @ShadowWasntHere8433
    @ShadowWasntHere8433 Před rokem

    Bowmasters is a whole other animal in Tayam too.
    With Tayam on field, you get the 3 counters necessary to activate off the Bowmasters and orc alone

  • @GOOMBAHx
    @GOOMBAHx Před rokem

    Intro scared me but the bearscape playmat saved me

  • @jgicantfindaname
    @jgicantfindaname Před rokem

    I need to pick up a copy of bowmasters for my abzan hatebears deck.

  • @mirkomigliavacca9894
    @mirkomigliavacca9894 Před rokem +1

    Dylan on his way to have an explosive turn.
    Orcish Bowmasters: Allow us to introduce ourselves

  • @ChildrenOfOwls
    @ChildrenOfOwls Před rokem

    Grolnok is not a replacement effect. It’s a trigger to exile it from the yard like necropotence, so dauthi would eat them before Grolnok gets a chance to see any perms in the yard

  • @janmelantu7490
    @janmelantu7490 Před rokem +1

    9:51 this is officially a Flagstones fan club

  • @AL-ep7oh
    @AL-ep7oh Před rokem

    I play grolnok too! Mine is a persistent petitioners permanent only self miller.

  • @kaijukraken
    @kaijukraken Před rokem +2

    their interpretation of the intro 10/10

  • @aaronsoat5480
    @aaronsoat5480 Před rokem

    I would like to see Yargle and Multani with Phyresis on it. Best case scenario you get that going and get to cast Seedtime and take half the table out. That’s just a cream dream though.

  • @danielschmidt7143
    @danielschmidt7143 Před rokem

    would love to see another couple games with this pod! I would love to see Grolnok pop off.

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Před rokem +1

      We have another game of this pod going up for patrons this week!

    • @danielschmidt7143
      @danielschmidt7143 Před rokem

      @@PlaytoWinMTG perfect! I'll keep an eye on the patreon.

    • @GrimTutorsMTG
      @GrimTutorsMTG Před rokem

      We were so excited to play 2 games, but any day is frog day.
      RIBBIT

  • @Andrew-ii2lf
    @Andrew-ii2lf Před rokem

    So in a recent shorts where it said that grolnuk croak counter effect is a replacement effect, It is not as it has the key word whenever meaning it a trigger ability so before it trigger resolves dauthi replacement effect already exile the cards. (Note: An effect that contains the words when/whenever/at is a trigger ability)

    • @Andrew-ii2lf
      @Andrew-ii2lf Před rokem

      The short chat is disable so im putting it here :)

  • @frankdetank9126
    @frankdetank9126 Před rokem

    Ribbet! Have you ever considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?

  • @leonardohuber8291
    @leonardohuber8291 Před rokem +2

    9:01 why didn’t dylan use the one green mana floating to cast dismember on the bowmaster (or any other target)

    • @MareczqZglos
      @MareczqZglos Před rokem

      I think proper was to use Dismember on Talia&Gitor to give more "chance" to other players to deal with the board. You knowed that You will not untuap if the Orc Army is still in game.

  • @lukedaniels6070
    @lukedaniels6070 Před rokem

    Have y’all ever made a zimone and Dina cedh deck? If so I need to watch it! And if not make one!!! I really want to see her played!

  • @elliotbanbury6442
    @elliotbanbury6442 Před rokem

    I play grolnok in my command zone and I love it so much!!!

  • @dartalexx
    @dartalexx Před rokem

    Best EDH video of all time

  • @grayembrace7057
    @grayembrace7057 Před rokem +1

    I wonder why Oblivion didn’t use the Force of Vigor to unfrogify T+G.

  • @caioaulicino5
    @caioaulicino5 Před rokem

    yoo that berserk collection thoo fire

  • @jellysandjamz250
    @jellysandjamz250 Před rokem +2

    If I had a nickel for every bad thing that happened to Dylan, I had 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s kind of crazy that it happened twice

  • @Cer000s
    @Cer000s Před rokem +1

    That godless shrine off flagstones should have been tapped though

  • @mitchelfulcer2874
    @mitchelfulcer2874 Před rokem +1

    Holly piss!!!! Stax frog just kept the game on the ropes loading up the haymakers! What a game!

  • @SeriosSkies92
    @SeriosSkies92 Před rokem +1

    I keep trying to use heroic intervention, and its never as good as Oblivion's was xD

  • @mees8711
    @mees8711 Před rokem

    I'm pretty sure Grolnok is not a replacement effect, since it does not say "instead" anywhere. It's just a triggered ability that exiles the permanent card when it hits the graveyard. So Dauthi would take precedence over the Grolnok, even making sure it would not trigger at all.

  • @IPetACatOnce
    @IPetACatOnce Před rokem +1

    This is like the cEDH frog Superbowl!

  • @nCedric1
    @nCedric1 Před rokem +2

    As they say in my country, qué buena intro la puta madre (son of a b, what a great intro)

  • @DoubleAMC0
    @DoubleAMC0 Před rokem

    That was brutal

  • @giannibrannan4423
    @giannibrannan4423 Před rokem

    at 6:10 I had to do a double take since I thought I somehow started watching playing with power

  • @varsoonhks3211
    @varsoonhks3211 Před rokem

    Tatusnari, Toad Rider just over here rubbing his hands together like he making a playdoh snake

  • @DaxVerus
    @DaxVerus Před rokem

    "We are in the same room" is the exact type of forgetfulness I relate to. Don't worry cam, happens to us all.

  • @TheGrifcannon22
    @TheGrifcannon22 Před rokem +1

    This is my favorite game of Frogmander.

  • @thisisbigbear
    @thisisbigbear Před rokem +1

    THIS is content.

  • @kristopherwatts9466
    @kristopherwatts9466 Před rokem +1

    The Bearscape playmat ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @TheMrTimio
    @TheMrTimio Před rokem

    Omg is that Berserk Delux Edition collection in Dylans room?;

  • @christopherpho9424
    @christopherpho9424 Před rokem +2

    Almost fooled me at the intro, but Dylan doesn't have long hair

  • @MareczqZglos
    @MareczqZglos Před rokem

    Still Gitrog is in my heart :) Sad really "no lands" for CAM :) I still prefered to not play Gitrog so early unless i have a win con in hand, or a simple way to get it.

  • @superskaldy
    @superskaldy Před rokem

    I always miss the I'M CAMERON. I still haven't adjusted, feels like blue balls every time lmao

  • @BabelTriumphant
    @BabelTriumphant Před rokem +7

    Thalia + Gitrog seems actually good? Tempted to build it.

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Před rokem +2

      Definitely has a lot going for it

    • @urgoingtojail3892
      @urgoingtojail3892 Před rokem

      Thalrog is one of the better hulk commanders

    • @GrimTutorsMTG
      @GrimTutorsMTG Před rokem

      DO IT! A smidgey of stax, good lines that are harder to interact with, decent interaction for others. Oblivion is a fan (but she also likes Stax, so, grain of salt)

  • @Cy_in
    @Cy_in Před rokem +2

    Oblivion never didn't have it. That was resilient and wonderful.

  • @chasejohnson4706
    @chasejohnson4706 Před rokem

    Berserk deluxe sighting! 0:37

  • @dantebeleren
    @dantebeleren Před rokem +3

    Motherfroakers! This is quality content! My budding has 2 frog tribal decks himself. One is as pushed it near can be with Grolnok

  • @maxwelladam4840
    @maxwelladam4840 Před rokem +1

    Are the spread out cards after being eliminated supposed to be a sad face?

    • @mimiklureaegis9906
      @mimiklureaegis9906 Před rokem +1

      Yes it is. They’ve done these multiple times in their past videos, especially if they lost pretty early in the past.
      :3

  • @TheNotoriousJTS
    @TheNotoriousJTS Před rokem

    absolutely insane draw for oblivion holy moly

  • @Jay15199
    @Jay15199 Před rokem +1

    Bowmasters was crazy.

  • @joshuajohnson1448
    @joshuajohnson1448 Před rokem

    I want yargle and multani to work so bad! Orcish bow masters had made it even harder 😢

  • @jacob510
    @jacob510 Před rokem +1

    The clear answer to the question "which is best frog?" Is Gnshhagghkkappribbit

  • @aeolus7762
    @aeolus7762 Před rokem +2

    I'm gonna ask it anyway, Cam, why didn't you just discard Mana Confluence to Mox Diamond???????

  • @jacobbrooks4664
    @jacobbrooks4664 Před rokem

    Does the $1 patron get access to all videos?

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Před rokem

      Weekly Chill to Win series is available at $10 level

  • @Stryxgg
    @Stryxgg Před rokem

    im glad that tyler has enjoyed vacation and loved seeing his posts on social media, but he cant go on anymore hes forgotten how to play and how to speak

  • @theunholytrinity1544
    @theunholytrinity1544 Před rokem +1

    i love frogs

  • @TechtonixZi
    @TechtonixZi Před rokem

    I would have tutored for giant growth to take out oblivion and for the lulz

  • @blairbrook1336
    @blairbrook1336 Před rokem +1

    I see frog I click

  • @grinreaperoftrolls7528
    @grinreaperoftrolls7528 Před rokem +1

    You must ribbit… ribbit good

  • @JustRightPinedo
    @JustRightPinedo Před rokem

    This looked like a normal commander game lol. #Combat matters

  • @tylercherry7424
    @tylercherry7424 Před 3 měsíci

    You can't get an untapped shock off of Flagstones. It is just like how you can't get an untapped shock off of farseek.

  • @igmodla
    @igmodla Před rokem

    Im definitelty not as good a player as Cam, but I have played some Gitrog recently and I feel like he kept a bad hand

  • @josephdillard2648
    @josephdillard2648 Před rokem

    the “BÈGÎN” always gets me😂

  • @hugovallssabater4998
    @hugovallssabater4998 Před rokem

    11:00 you cant pass on the thalia trigger

  • @AnotherMoMmtg
    @AnotherMoMmtg Před rokem

    My vote in gitrog

  • @Krazba
    @Krazba Před rokem +1

    Go Frogs!

  • @officialCannisMajoris

    2 gitrogs!

  • @yetiz_gaming230
    @yetiz_gaming230 Před rokem +1

    The answer is all the frogs.

  • @calebdrapeau7534
    @calebdrapeau7534 Před rokem

    I hope this comment gets to you guys!
    In your new short where there is a grolnok AND a dauthi on the battlefield, you viewed the abilities as replacement effects, but grolnok is a triggered ability, so your conclusion was wrong.
    If a card would go to the grave, grolnok would see it enters and then exile it, but dauthi just doesn't allow cards to go to the grave, making the ability of dauthi go over the ability of grolnok and absolutely destroying it!
    Sorry for my not so good english

  • @27noetic
    @27noetic Před rokem

    Tatsunari is crying for being left out of the frog party😢

  • @MCKICKZ
    @MCKICKZ Před rokem +1

    If people know who I am I love my frogs. Had a deck built since spoiled and since has upgraded.
    Good to see my little simic dude get some camera action