Dogfight in Ukraine: Su-27 jet opens fire on Russian pilot with air-to-air heat-seeking missile
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- Rare footage appears to show a dogfighting jet in Ukraine. Analysts and Ukrainian sources claim it shows an Su-27 fighter firing an air-to-air missile, presumably at a Russian aircraft. One analyst claimed the missile was a heat-seeking R-73 AAM. Ukrainian and Russian jets rarely engage each-other in the air. Ukraine’s jets are generally weaker, and Kyiv fears losing them. While Russia is thought to have few pilots, and can’t risk them. There were frequent dogfights in the early days of the war. But since then the air air forces have largely avoided each-other.
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Daily Mails level of ‘dogfight’ expertise is beyond range 😂
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@@user-zo4kh3ks8m гугли новость о 14го ноября 2017го, когда минобороны выложило скриншот из игры якобы доказывающий связь игил и США. это другое, мистер пиздабол? тут понимать надо?
@@user-zo4kh3ks8m and how are they nazis, orc?
also, this clip is from a video game....
No it is absolutely not. @@RustyB5000
this is the perfect representation of what people hate in modern media
News is what you want. Everyone here knows the difference or should. It is CZcams! Ask a friend.
This is the perfect representation of what (russian) people hate in modern media: Truth
@@theendoftheline Where exactly is the truth in this video? These just look like 2 different clips put together. You don't see a Russian aircraft besides the Ukranian one and you can hear the missile exploding shortly after it's fired. But they couldn't film the Russian aircraft getting ''hit''? Seems like this is just another Ukranian-propaganda piece. Which if you believe doesn't exist, then you're not any better than the Russian ''bots''
@@theendofthelineso you're saying that a shoot and scoot is a dogfight? Are you saying that the su27 is weak? Or what
@@Sceptre1-1 or maybe what I typed was what I typed. Truth.
im so glad people are calling out their bs
Initial sources claimed it was a Ukrainian plane shooting at a Russian drone, and not at a Russian jet fighter.
Also, it wasn't a dogfight, but a Shoot-and-scoot action. In an actual dogfight you don't shoot short range missile, and disengage, because if an enemy plane is close to you, and you turn back, he will outmaneuver you and you will die.
You would also expose your engine to enemy short range missiles = instant death I suppose.
Imagine being so dumb you think this is real life and not a DCS World PC game.
Hey! it's boomer news, you gotta believe what you is fed on the television 🤣
Yep that plane is targeting some low flying object and the pilot is not worried to even merge with the possible agresor. That is not a dogfight.
So You are a pilot in ukraine battlefields
It's definitely not an R-73, it is coming off of one of the the pylons that are near the mid wing, which are not capable of carrying the R-73, the only stations that can carry those on the Su-27 are the tip stations and the ones immediatelly inboard of them, from where it looks to be coming off the aircraft, I would say it's more likely to be an R-27, and since the aircraft turns away and can't be supporting it by its radar, it must be either an R-27T or R-27TE, the IR variants of those missiles.
Could it not have been an R-77 in that case?
@@henrybourgeois9484 probably not, you can vaguely see forward fins which the R-77 lacks and it has larger tail controls which more fit the R-27 series. all in my opinion
@@henrybourgeois9484 Ukraine had extremely limited numbers of R77 before the war since russia took majority of them after the fall of the union (crazy cus R77 was developed in ukraine)
@@carterscott6500 Ah gotcha
@@henrybourgeois9484 Pretty sure Ukraine only has access to older semi-automatic and IR seeker R-27s.
Can't be a dog fight, the pilot defends by turning away the moment he fires the missile.
Did Ghost of Kiev participate? 😂🤡🤡
The maneuvering isn't consistent with BFM. This isn't a dogfight as the mis-informative title states. It was probably shooting something unmanned like a drone or loiter munition.
Bit of correction here, but engaging in BVR does not count as dogfight. Dogfights are when planes engage within visual range.
an R73 isnt a BVR missile so it couldn't have been
this wasnt bvr it was close range
if he was bvr he wouldnt be launching a missile on the deck lmao
@@skeletonjamyes he would because otherwise you would get shot down by sam's if you go too high.
@@lurtzy_ he wouldn't be bvr fighting above sam sites lol
That's not a dogfight. The guy turned around and disengaged way too soon.
Coward 😅
The missile could be an R73. It does look stout and that would fit the short range missile size (9ft). The HARM anti radiation missiles is 14 ft long. Both can be carried on the second pylon from wing tip.
He doesn't deploy flares so his target likely didn't see him or was running.
Yet he turns cold in the opposite direction incase he needed to evade
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@@tiadiad you're welcome 😊
He seem flying low, radar avoiding. Probably near frontline on UA territory
@@tiadiad Play a few weeks of DCS and you would know this as well, chief.
Ok Biggles.
I dont imagine dogfights today happen nearly as much as in ww2 and that if they do happen they are much farther apart from eachother. Much much farther.
that's not dogfighting, but called beyond visual range combat. Your radar detects a boogie, you launch a missile where the radar is looking at, say to the missile "go your own way" and the missile keeps looking at the enemy with it's own built in radar while you fly away.
Over Kherson last month, we saw something similar - other observers on the ground called my attention to approaching jets which appeared to be from different directions. A succession of bangs told me that at least one of the pilots had selected full afterburner as he came into view, relatively low over the city and in a hard-over bank. He dropped out of view but the second aircraft, also either a MiG-29 or SU-27, took a more direct line across much of the visible sky (again, obscured by buildings as the two aircraft remained quite low) before the lower aircraft attempted an AA missile shot. From our vantage point, the missile did not track on the enemy a/c and simply corkscrewed away in a straight line. This was the only air-to-air engagement we witnessed in 34 days, but plenty of air activity, primarily missile overflights.
Great first hand info. Thanks 👍🏼
in this video, the plane is flying well below any speed a dogfight would occur at. I would expect an expert to mention that. We also see no clear target being hit, only the sound of the r-73 airbursting as they do when there is no lock registered.
Both Russia and Ukraine have fairly equal control (or lack of control) over the skies, and is probably the only battlefield where the fight is equal. Russia has the technology advantage but isn't willing to throw their expensive aircraft into the fray, and Ukraine wants to preserve what they have left. Coupled with the fact both countries have enormous networks of SAM coverage, and it makes sense why they'd rather have drones and stand off missiles do the work. It also explains why most helos and fighters on AG duty hug the ground
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By the slow speed of the aircraft it's obvious that the target is a drone - most likely a Shahed.
Finally, Andrew the war expert finally arrived
that missile cost more than the Shahed drone
lmfao, you won the internet today@@Cryptic211_
@@finality4795 what's the point you're trying to make? The Russian state seemed to think that their prisoners are worth less than Ukrainian bullets so should they not fire on them either? You do realise those prisoners would've taken over the Ukrainian positions and that drone (or whatever it is, but probably a drone) would potentially target an ammo dump, tank, etc
This biggest problem the Russian air force has is Russian SAM operators.
Why???
@@joelc9439 No training or coordination just like they shot down a civilian airliner many years ago and cheered until they saw the wreck.
@@joelc9439 because of Wodka abuse
this is actually footage showing a ukrainian jet firing on a russian drone
It’s actually video game footage soooo okay
@@3dprintmiamii want that game. How is it called?
@@Amradar123 digital combat simulator. It’s fantastic. Though the foliage and cloud renderings are CLEARLY not real.
@@3dprintmiami
Your brain is a video game.
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R-73 is a short range missile. And here we don't see what he fired it at. Why didn't the man behind camera follow it through? Plus, he is very lightly armed with short range missiles only. Wouldn't it make more sense ta have at least medium range missiles, especially since Russians use those (R-77, active radar homing) and even long range (R-37M, hypersonic) as well as long range SAM systems...
On top of it all, we don't even see the decals to verify this is even a Ukrainian plane to start with...
Most likely, this a footage from earlier, during some exercise...
Just show off after having lost most of the jets in the last week.
Ok ok ok, this video is very misleading. The Su-27 is not a "weak plane." Kyiv simply does not want to risk their limited supply of aircraft and pilots to Russian air defenses. Both Russian and Ukrainian aircraft operate inside their respected air defenses for a reason.
Хватит писать украинские
украинского ничего не осталось
Это американские и европейские
@@fantomeagle5500 Ukrainians are going to do what Ukrainians do in Ukraine. If you have a problem with Ukraine then don't go to Ukraine, but if you haven't been to Ukraine then how can you say there is no Ukraine. I personally think Ukraine is pretty nice and the Ukrainians are great people. In case you didn't know Ukraine and Russia are both in Europe. But Ukraine itself is very Ukrainian...... Ukraine.... Cheers
@@fantomeagle5500 Ukraine
@@fantomeagle5500 Ukrainian
@@fantomeagle5500 Украина
I thought the Ghost of Kyiv shot down all of the Russian jets?
@0:26 that jet looks in the turn like its from a game xD. like the one a year ago or so
I suspect it is firing at a Heli as it has not used Counter Measures and circling this way is coming back to check the kill. The Heat Seeker and low altitude go hand in hand for sneeky tactics. Else they would not waste a Heat Seeker.
Может по беспилотнику
@@Ami_BK That is NOT how you do BVR dude. You need SPEED + ALTITUDE so you can CRANK. I guess we both play DCS and we are adding our own take on it but the smoke trail is showing Heat Seeker. That is how we look for them both in game and IRL. The slow speed already plus a full turn means he is not engaging a Dog Fight Plane but shows it must therefore be a slow mover.
wow DCS's graphics are getting better...
Dog fight in the laundry mat you mean?
this is a ukrainian jet firing at the sun.
Dogfights ... in that hight. Sounds qustionable ...
Neither side wants to approach the front. The Ukrainians have the challenge of Russian AWACS vectoring interceptors with long range missiles at them from high altitudes. Most miss, but a hit is a hit and percentages will grind you down.
Авакс не перехватчик. Это летающая РЛС , наводить он не может
@@Ruinskiy АВАКС - радиолокационный директор перехватчиков МиГ-31.
It's likely targeting a orlan-10 drone. It's been recorded a fare bit how they will use short range air to air missiles to shoot them down. It's not a AGM-88 as they would be way higher to maximize range as they try to fire them at safe distances.
Yes he seem flying radar avoiding.
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Isn't this just another blasted video game clickbait?
Look like it flying radar avoiding at low altitude, but don't use flares. It's probably near front but not over russian held territory and whatever it fired at, no IR missile seem to be expected right back, but something radar guided.
Хрень
It's the ghost of Kiev, you guys.
Where is the enemy fighter?
His Pc crashed
Very misleading, this isn't a dogfight and I don't have to be an expert.
What movie was this taken from?
A dog fight between jets? This low? With this low amount of speed?? Nope, not buying it.
The same dogfight that was meant to never happen again?
This is scary..
Why video games are here? This channel deserves report for misinformation
You could hear the other jet BOOK-IT at mach 2 with that double sonic boom.
Ukraine lost most of
It's airforce last week
I'm supposed to believe Ukraine has fighters left? lol
Russia has few pilots man get out of here
No pre-emptive countermeasures by the shooter. Looks more like how you'd engage a drone. From those outer pylons on the Su-27 it's likely to be an R-73 short range heat seeker (like late models of the US AIM-9 Sidewinder family) rather than an R-27R radar guided or R-27T IR guided missile which are launched from an inner pylon or the fuselage. Plus, with the shooter turning away before the missile hit it is not going to be a R-27R which requires the launch aircraft to illuminate the target (it is not "fire and forget" like later R-77 missiles and the US AIM-120 Amraam series).
No modern air force would "dog fight" with an opposing jet fighter... ever. They haven't done anything like that since the 60-80s when beyond visual range missiles became a thing. Opposing fighter jets shoot their long range missiles at each other and then turn and run away.
I have to admit the Su27 is one of the better designed soviet era fighter plane. I have a model kit of it.
Расскажи это жевтоблакытным свинохрюкам
Oh dear!
So you're a credible expert then.
How would it do against a F16 ?
@@hb-ol9oc the question is which F16, it wouldn't do great against newest model, su 27 is late 70s aircraft and with no updates can't do a lot
‘Dogfights were more common until ghost of kyiv shot down every Russian pilot’. What a joke!
So how is this even a dogfight
If it was a jet vs jet fight thats basically a dogfight no matter the distance given the maneuvers are still needed. It might have been a drone attack but all they had confirmed is "air to air" combat, so they assumed its a dogfight, until its confirmed, sure could be, but most are saying it attacked a drone which no, not technically a dogfight.
And how many hours in Battlefield 2042 has this "analyst" accrued?
Is dailymail an English first channel? Wouldn't think it from the captions.
This wouldn't happen in Soviet times
After the launch the aircraft appears to carry nothing on its hardpoints except at the wingtips, video cuts, suddenly it carries a single ordnance on one of the hardpoints.
ECM
The missile knows where it is and where it isnt
Video says nothing and is open to massive interpretation on so many levels - no credibility as to the title
Well cant expect much from journalist to analyize a war footage without making them look fool themself
Where's this so called "dogfight?" Usually, a dogfight is between at least 2 airplanes. All I see in this video is a single solitary plane flying around. What a joke!
First, they showed footage from the military flight simulator DCS World. I know the graphical features of this game very well. This is evidenced by the overly stable camera and smooth image, as well as some shaders, smoke from rocket engines, etc. Also, the sound is orchestrated in the same way as in this simulator.
Ukraine has lost over 20 figther jets over the last week due to Russians Using stealth figther with new anti radar coating and long range (400 km)air to air missiles.
It seems that the US AWACS fail to see them and therefor can't warn the Ukranian pilots in advance.
Surviving Ukranian pilots tells they got no warning from their systems before being hit.
20 fighter jets over the last week? Where the hell did you hear that from lmao
It's not visible what was shot down. Probably some drone or missile.
Pretty soon they won't be avoiding each other.
This was not a Dogfight! Nice try clowns
Turning away after firing a missile at an enemy fighter is the dumbest way to die. So that missile was definitely not fired towards an enemy fighter, and most likely meant for a drone.
Please learn what a actual dogfight is.
Arent dogfights with guns, rather than missiles
this ain't a dogfight lol
Not really believable if that was a Russian fighter jet the ukrainian jet never would of got the shot off in the first place. Would be little pieces all over the countryside.
OK, But the question is did he hit anything with that missile?
Who keeps saying the days of close in dogfights are over??? Your wrong...
To be honest ai think this is lifted from a computer game.
To be honest, human brain is certain it is not
Wait this isn't a Dog Fight?
*checks uploader'
Ah, makes sense. Thought I'd stopped this channel being recommended to me years ago!
not much of a dogfight
this video literally shows nothing of value
This title makes it sound like a war crime
Who thinks Russia has few pilots....They have been preparing for this 15 years
I thought he was shooting a Russian radar
I love how ex/pilots, mechanics and people that nerd out on these beastly machines come up with more of a logical response vs Daily Mail's claims. Don't try to mislead these enthusiasts, it will never work.
If that is a dogfight, airliners do that all the time (BVR other aircraft and think about their paths)
all DCS virtual wanna be pilots experts are here as experts.
Definitely not a dogfight. Too low speed and too wide and comfortable return arch, and he would never turn his back to the bandit exposing himself to a counter attack if the missile doesn't strike true.
No Flares, no Chaffs?
Im surprised no one talking about Mig29
One aircraft, dogfighting, really.
Ridiculous news story.
The Ghost of Kiev in action again 😅
Just stick to your childish pottery videos. You have nothing of value to add here.
modern jets dont dogfight
Dogfights have been extremely rare. Much more likely that it was shooting at a cruise missile.
More likely the missile is an R-27 variant being fired at a Russian cruise missile.
Which one came out on top?
Perhaps the Russian target was launching the 1500kg glide bomb which might need air to air engagement to counter.
Presumably and probably eh?
Fact: Russia recently took down 7 Ukro aircraft in one day and 15 over a week.
R-73 is short range. IF this was an air-to-air engagement (and that is a BIG if), given the nature of manoeuvre this looks like a BVR shot, and since he goes cold as soon as he fires, it is most likely an R-27T/ET long-range IR missile that doesn't require radar guidance from the mothership (passive radar guided missile would immediately lose track and go stupid) . As far as I am aware, Su-27s of the generation Ukraine has don't support active radar guided missiles like R-27EA and R-77.
Its from the outer pylon meaning its most likely a short range R-73. The outer pylon doesn't have any other(that are better at least) fire and forget missiles. Doubt its BVR because the SU-27s Ukraine operates cannot carry active radar missiles anyway, and those would be on the inner pylons still. I think this is a close range fight as Ukrainian SU-27 pilots are taught to fly low and I mean really low to avoid radar guided missiles. They probably went to target while flying about 50р meters then came up to shoot a missile and is going back down. Thats probably also why they arent using every counter measure on earth right now. Also it does appear that they have ECM pods when the planes bed is towards the camera, so thats what the things are at where the last pylons would be.
is it the gHoST oF keEV again ? 😂🤦🏽♂️🤡
that was a massive missile, it could be an R27 Early
Did it score a hit?
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Are we sure this isn't DCS again, like half of the other "air combat" videos from this conflict have been?
exactly. anyone know for sure? it 'looks' real to me, not in the actual rendering so much as the peripherals that make it seem real.
No this is definitely real.
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This is not DCS for sure
short range missile , no flare hmmm
Who won ?
Okay. So then ( and, please, I am NOT! A war/ battle strategist!
I. REPEAT!!!
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This footage is old and is from an air show.
The Ghost of Kiev is back.
With modern armaments, if you're dogfighting you've probably made a mistake somewhere along the way.
Or both sides have managed to avoid each others attempts at killing each other and so the distance gets closer and closer
joke of the year is that Russia have few pilots
I like Arma 3 as well. Name of this mod please?