Oh Brother Where Art Thou?! | House Of The Dragon Ep 2x2 Reaction & Review | HBO Max & Crave
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Otto denies emotional support to his daughter, Alicent. Alicent denies emotional support to her son, Aegon. Aegon denies emotional support to Helaena. Aemond , wanting motherly love, goes not to Alicent, but to a sex worker.
This is a sad portrait of a broken family, and how that brokenness continues from one generation to the next and the next…
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That's why it's good for daeron that he spent his childhood in Oldtown. He born with courage like a targeryan , smart as he done his education in oldtown( the educational hub of westros) & have a good heart ( as he not spend his childhood with fool mother & ignorant & dumb father ).
If I had to write a dissertation about the family dynamics of the Hightowers, I'd call it "Hurt people hurt people". The parallels between all generations there is just insanely good writing.
@@Ryuu44 I think it's wrong way of putting out stuff. Otto done what he thinks best for the realm & in many stuff he was correct politically. Also when u say hightowers is all about " hurt people hurt people " than it's completely wrong because if we start looking back to history of westros than the family which hurt most to the people are targeryans.
Aegon the conqueror built this amazing empire on fire and ashes. Also this civil war is also happend because of targeryans which leads to death of so many people. Daeron the young dragon kills so many people in order to win Dorne, u can then add Blackfyre rebellion to this as well. This list of crimes can go on till Danerys killing kingslanding people ( in the show ).
So i don't think ur argument is correct.
@@rohitkumar-dc3xb i think that you're disagreeing with something that's not my argument. "hurt people hurt people" is a saying about passing on abuse. It's about the person thst was fondled by their dad, and grew up into a father fondling their kid. It's about the child that grew up with an abusive alcoholic parent growing into an abusive alcoholic. It's about the daughter of a psycho that used her as a fuck doll for a kind and never showed her any affection, so now she's unable to comfort her son, when he's crying in front of her. On top of that I'm talking about this show, not the whole ASOIAF lore. This episode goes out of it's way to show this is a huge theme for this part of the story.
Otto became my favorite character this episode just with his facial expressions lol He's like the living meme of "I'm surrounded by idiots"
He is the biggest itiot of all of them. The fact that he put a child who never wanted the throne on this throne and now upset, that he isnt listening you lol
@@user-df8lp9zq8syes that seems quite easy to understand. What so hard?
Otto is the biggest idiot. None of these people wanted to go to war with Rhaenyra if not for him
The Duel of the Cargyll Twins is immortalized in Westerosi legend as the ultimate display of honor and duty. In the book _A Game of Thrones,_ Bran recalls the story when thinking about famous Kingsguard members and, in _A Clash of Kings,_ Sansa uses the legend to demonstrate that a man crying does not make him weak. Olenna Tyrell also has two twin guards named Erryk and Arryk after the famous kingsguard members.
And yes, that means that Arryk and Erryk Cargyll have been a part of the lore of the ASoIaF/GoT universe since the very beginning.
Very interesting info. Thanks!
I enjoyed my emotional journey with Otto this episode. I went from "wtaf?! You exploitative ass,!" to "you're right to say that to Aegon & Cole, thank you.'
He finally realized that he f'd up and regretted his life choices and it was DELICIOUS.
You won’t be saying that later. Bloody Cole earns his name dishonorably.
But was he??? Seems like an overreaction
@@aishwarya8241 It was. And Otto had all the lords who didn’t bend the Aegon hanged in 1x9.
He was the one who forced Aegon on throne he did not wanted it be made Alicent to convince Aegon to to believe in it now he ruins it , he is behind skims again Viserys using how weak he was now he misses him because he cannot control Aegon
Nerdy, " Maybe this will be the impetus Chrispen Cole needs to become a better person."
Cole, "Hold my ale."
It's glaringly obvious now why her sons are so F'd up. She goes to his room with the intention to manipulate him. She sees her son weeping instead of thinking "gee my son is bereft and needs my assurance and know he's loved." Instead, she goes."Oh man, he's crying. I can't mess with him right now. Well, peace out." I am aware of what Aegon is. But no one should feel the horror of losing their child, especially in such a gruesome manner.
How did you get all that? She didn't say anything like that and clearly had empathy on her face and decided "now is not the time," and left him to the solitude he clearly sought.
Everyone wants to compare this scene to Rhaenyra comforting Jace, but Rhaenyra left for WEEKS to search for Jace's body and be alone and process her own grief.
@@LuxLoserBecause that’s exactly what Alicent was going there to do. She just left Otto after telling him that she will try to get in his ear and all they have to do is wait for him to get bored with ruling and then they can move forward with their plans.
How is the OP so spot on and this is just going so over your head?
lol this is the woman who physically abused Aegon while fear-conditioning him against Rhaenyra, and the one who called him an imbecile when he asked if she loved him. Of course, she doesn't care to console him. And she was raised that way too. Alicent embraces the institution that failed her and continues the cycle of abuse, even worse than it was with her. She is the strife between them and Rhaenyra, the grief in Helaena (she calls her own grandson "the child"), the anger in Aemond, and the troubles in Aegon. It's interesting and could be even more with a consistent script.
@@LuxLoserbro it doesn’t matter how you feel if you let ur son sit there and fucking cry after losing a son ur a terrible parent this whole time she’s been so fucking bad
i mean, it was obvious they were gonna grow up fucked when Alicent barged in his room while he was jerking off and slapped him around. Alicent was never a good mother. She has consistently been shown to be a very distant mother. lol That it took this scene for so many people to see the obvious... The show has been hammering us pretty hard with the this parenting style results in this type of kid. Alicent's kids are all deranged and mentally ill and have mommy/daddy issues. Rhaneyra's kids might be bastards, at least they're not insane. lul
Cue the Oprah gif: "YOU GET AN EMMY, YOU GET AN EMMY, YOU GET AN EMMY"
I get why some Daemon/Rhaenyra fans call them "parents" now. Because when one of them can't come up with an argument anymore or they know they'll regret the next thing that comes out of their mouth, they walk out. And how very Daemon to be like "If I get her the Riverlands, I won't have to admit I did anything wrong."
And she won't make him see he was wrong, they are definitely going to have make up sex when they reunite at the end of the season
As a black supporter ill say the greens are the best part of this show for all the wrong reasons i can't believe we found a more messy faction then the lannesters
Jace and Baela are not married. They are betrothed. They aren't siblings either, but they are cousins. And step-siblings, who share siblings. Luke and Rhaena were also betrothed before his death. It happened during episode 8 of last season, but in the book, Rhaenyra betrothed them when they were toddlers because she was very close with Daemon and Laena (the twins are younger than the boys in the book, the show messed up all the ages).
Just letting yall know, that the only incest exclusive to Targaryens is between blood-siblings, which was common in Old Valyria for all dragon lord families (they were all fighting each other for power and keeping the blood pure meant the bond they acquired through blood magic would remain strong and keep them linked to dragons). Otherwise, all of Westeros practices incest. Cousin-cousin being the most common (Tywin and his wife Johanna Lannister, Ned Stark's parents Rickard and Lyarra Stark, etc). Then avuculate marriages (aunt/nephew, uncle/niece) are fairly common as well, mostly for the followers of the Old Gods, against the Starks have uncles who married their nieces, including a son of Lord Cregan Stark).
Sibling marriage falls into the Doctrine of Exceptionalism created by King Jaehaerys Targaryen (Viserys, Daemon and Rhaenys' grandfather). He eloped with his sister Alysanne and made her his Queen against his mother's wishes. Daemon and Viserys' parents were also brother and sister, Alyssa and Baelon. Rhaenys' parents were aunt and nephew, Aemon Targaryen and Jocelyn Baratheon. Aegon and Helaena marry under this doctrine that continues all throughout the dynasty, with the last sibling marriage being between Aerys and Rhaella, Daenerys' parents.
You guys's reaction when Aegon named Cole his new Hand was fantastic, i think we all died a little inside after that.
I love how everyone's reaction when Aegon tells Otto to take off his pin is, "Oh no, he's giving it to Larys", shortly followed by "....what? _What?!_ Oh _gods_ no, give it to Larys!"
I'm pretty sure the dragon circling Addam was Seasmoke, Laenor's dragon. Notably, he's remained on Driftmark rather than roaming afield.
That's moondancer mount of baela Targaryen
@@sportsrocky I believe it is SeaSmoke. The original Commenter is correct.
Moondancer is on Dragonstone with Baela or scouting King’s Landing per Rhaenyra’s orders.
It's Moondancer. How do you people watch this show and not pay attention at all? lol
@@SteezLouise wtf no they aren't and how the fuck is it Seasmoke? Your wild fantasy confirmed it? I like how you 'believe' it's one thing, and yet claim the original commenter is correct. This isn't how facts work. lol'd
@@IIIIAmSHODAN you know nothing, Jon Snow
Ser Erryk was a loyal Queensguard and a good man.
RIP Ser Erryk Cargyll the most loyal soldier a Queen could ever ask for he literally killed his brother for her.
Arryk was loyal too😂he went on a dummy mission for his side💯 it's crazy how y'all pick & choose like bro literally slide on a get back in the streets that's the best show of loyalty
Arryk wasn't so loyal to King Viserys since he chose to support a usurper instead of the real heir. Erryk was the real deal
@@kylethompson3008 Because Arryk knows for a fact what Visery's last words were? Even Erryk doesn't know. He chose Rheanyra soley because he didn't like Aegon. Arryk is more loyal in a sense.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 I won't argue on Arryk he was very loyal to the end for the greens but he was not loyal to Viserys because he supported a usurper instead of the real heir. Viserys wasn't talking about Aegon his son on his deathbed, he was talking about the song of ice and fire 🤣 the promised prince is Jon Snow, Alicent misunderstood Viserys and used his words to get Aegon on the throne. So Rhaenyra is the true heir to the Iron Throne you should pay attention to the story buddy.
When Otto said "You have a son there" we all shouted. DAERON at last!
Two things. Firstly, the tragedy of being Daemon Targaryen. He does not want the throne for himself, he wants a STRONG Targaryen on the throne, and every time he looks at the people he considers true Targaryens (His Brother and his Niece-Wife) he sees weakness, the same weakness that nearly toppled the Targaryens one generation after the conquest. Every move he makes is to try to strengthen his House and family, and all others see is him trying to climb, attain power, and potentially usurp. Rhaenrys does the first thing he thinks is a good move (Calls for the assassination of Aemond, something he was planning to do, albeit more directly). The men he hires go off script, give up before even searching properly, and fuck up the entire job. In response, the woman he has backed since she was a child to be Queen accuses him of weakening her, and says she can't trust him, when all his actions have been to try to win her war (From his perspective).
Secondly, dear god, Cole's plan is DUMB. Arryk is nearly caught AT THE GATE, all it takes is a single question from another Kingsguard answered wrong, or him running into Daemon (remember, Arryk is very uncomfortable sneaking in, and probably would slip up under any sort of questioning), and suddenly the Greens have lost a valuable, skilled knight and gained nothing, besides tarring them as willing to use the same tools of assassination, except they did it with a Kingsguard, a man supposed to remain at the Royal Families side to protect them at all times.
The Cargyll twins' fight ends ambiguously. You never actually know who won. It could really be either. The apology to Rhaenyra and seppuku makes sense with either of them.
It's so funny because you can always tell who the theatre trained actors are in a tv show because of the voice work. Rhys' voice work in the scene with Aegon and Crispy is just remarkable.
Yeah, Rhanyera and Daemon, Otto and Aegon, and Otto, just overall, gave uber Shakespearesque performances this episode. The appeal of a trip to a London play this summer greatly increased this episode. Olivia Cooke is underrated in Bates Motel because, naturally, Freddie Highmore got great kudos for his portrayal.
Aegon clearly loved his son lmao
no shit.
@@MXFoX408 Some dum as mofos need 5 confirmations that he loves his own son.
It's like they're watching a different show lmao
@@MXFoX408 yeah but she mentioned that he didn’t even care that his son was dead he just cared about his legacy being hurt but that’s definitely not the case
Shoutout to Otto getting the blame for burning Mysaria's den when it was all Larys' doing though...
Yes that is a random-ass comment, I know. ^^
Oh, and Otto, Jaehaerys, was your grand-grandson, not your grandson.
Anyways... that was the banger that was promised.
What a fucking episode. Loved every single second of it.
Weren’t they working together at the time? Otto met with her right before that happened.
Great-grandson*
@@sproductionsinc No. He said he would honor the deal (we dont know if he was lying or not) Larys burnt down the house after Alicent told him to. So it was Alicent's fault not Otto's.
I do not think Otto cares about adding more words when we already get the point. The man doesn't dilly dally.
Hypocrite Crappy "Crispy" Cole is very much to blame. He should have had at least one guard watching over Helaena and the kids at all times. Was everyone sleeping?! At least one (Arryk) was with Aegon. It's sad that the twins had to fight each other to death. It's horrible and tragic. Otto is in over his head because he can't control Aegon. Oh well. 😅
Ironic that Cole tried to pin the blame for Jaehaerys' death on the one Kingsguard actually doing their job that night.
Actually the title was "Rhaenyra the Cruel" - I don't know WHY HBO does this crap - Vulture actually released an article calling it "Brothers at Arms". I can't possibly imagine its good marketing to hide a title (I get the spoilers thing - my suggestion would be to come up with better titles that DON'T Spoil and then you don't have to 'hide' it until hours after it's released)
I agree and felt the same way about all the pointless secrecy around the Avengers Endgame title. It's not that deep, just tell us the effing title.
I’d also agree that “Brothers At Arms” is much more of a spoiler than “Rhaenyra the Cruel”.
It should be "Farewell, My Brother" to reference the tragic song that's written about it
Going from this to acolyte on a weekly basis has to be crazy
For all of us with a brain 😂💯
Poor Heleana in the carriage - I could feel her anxiety. This was such a great, emotionally charged episode. I really enjoyed your reactions.
The episode was 🔥. But the dialogue, acting and directing in that Rhaneyra and Mysaria confrontation was…..Bravo! 🙌
Clarus: "I think [Daemon] is so decapitated by his own insecurities"
Nerdy: *panic*
Me: Have you lost your head?
Caroose 😂
You know who else was decapitated?
Funny you think that the teams are shown unbalanced rn, I think most feel the opposite and the greens are finally getting their showing for sympathy
Arryk didn't say "my queen" he said "your grace, I'm sorry". You can call someone your grace without bending the knee to them. The I'm sorry would imply that he regrets it all now which would be reasonable.
I just want to thank you for addressing Helaena's reaction to blood and cheese, and for sharing your own story with death. I have personally witnessed a very sudden and traumatic death myself and I also did not cry right away, I remember wandering around afterwards like completely vacant. I've come a very long way but that portrayal of shock was so realistic it took me right back to that moment (I'm fine). I'm also an actor, so I was so impressed with that performance like I'm still reeling from how good it was. Very sad to see people not understanding or appreciating her actress.
Also, I'm autistic too! I find Helaena very autistic coded (the procession omg I was so stressed for her I was shouting at the TV "omg Alicent STOP TOUCHING HERRR") I wonder if that has an effect on how we process this stuff.
Rhaenyra has no control over Daemon. There is no setting parameter, that is what she was trying to do there and she can't. He is also her most experienced war commander and her most fiersome dragonrider
Exactly as Corlys said they are looking to Daemon to lead them in this war not Rhaenyra.
TVGuide put out some BS article saying it's getting harder to choose a side. No, it isn't. Daemon acting on his own is not Rheanyra's fault.
It's not just Rhaenyra vs Aegon. It's blacks vs greens. And it is much harder to choose a side now than it ever was. Baby killers vs rapists, idk tough choice.
@@govinddas7876 But Daemon was a baby killer before he ever was on the Blacks
@@samfisher6606 he is responsible for Jaeherys' death. He became a baby killer last episode.
@@govinddas7876 I'm agreeing with you. Daemon is responsible. But he's also 100% killed kids before that. remember season 1 episode 3
@@samfisher6606 oh ofcourse, my bad.
Actor playing Otto was fantastic in the scene with Aegon and Cole. That look he gave when Aegon says Cole took action.
That was Seasmoke, still without a rider.
Y’all had a really fantastic discussion after the episode, really insightful and knowledgeable. Love listening to people who actually understand filmmaking discuss an episode like this.
The dragon in the sky at the beach was "Seasmoke" the Dragon Laenor used to ride
we didnt get much. but oh man did the writers do so well with what they did tell. The fights were told by various accounts so really its up to the audience to decide who won or lost. In my eyes nobody won, a foreshadow of whats to come. Aegon is a byproduct of those around him. He was never fit to rule nor did he want to. His desire never was (or will be) about the people. Otto thought he could teach that to him but Otto like all old men fail to realize not all can be taught. Now having gone through the trauma of losing his own son Aegon will look to rule out of spite to Rhaenyra just like Otto points out. And the funny thing is when Aegon kicks him from being hand he realizes everything he has done will be for nothing. And the war will only destroy both families.
That dragon flying above Adam is Seasmoke. Seasmoke doesnt have a rider atm.
Your excitement when you said that perhaps THIS is the moment Cole turns into a better person was so precious 😂 5 min later: middle finger and pure anger, I love it. I kept laughing in disbelief myself, Crispy’s delulu level went through the roof this episode.
And you were right, we haven’t seen Moondancer yet, except in the trailer. That dragon we saw was Seasmoke, who remained riderless since Leanor’s „death”.
Otto cared so much about rat catchers, yet he did not care about his great grandson or his grandson feelings he is father too to a son who was murdered
He didn’t care about the rat catchers. He cares about what the rat catchers meant for the image he had been trying to craft.
@@VolensxAstrum yet he had no problem hanging nobles in s1 nobles who have rich families
@@queenxx1690 I don’t think there’s much that Otto does have a problem with doing. If I remember right, he hung nobles who were still declaring for Rhaenyra. So a show of power and a healthy dose of fearmongering. It was what he thought served his purposes best at the time. Everything is clinical and tactical with Otto. I don’t think he gives a single wet fart about the morality or hypocrisy of his decisions. As long as he can move his pieces to the positions on the board that he wants, anything is justifiable. In the case of the rat catchers, I think he was more upset about the PR blunder than anything else.
Sorry, but Daemon is right. Viserys was dumb. A weak king. A coward who nearly destroyed the Targaryen legacy. His only merit was being born first. He was very much in Daemon's shadow. Daemon who rode Caraxes, the dragon of Crown Prince Aemon, their uncle and the heir to the throne, and the beloved brother of their father, Baelon (and Rhaenys rides Meleys, which was the dragon of Alyssa, Damon and Viserys' mother who died at childbirth). The fact that they don't explain the dynamics (and the messed up timeline) hurts the comprehension of their relationship. Daemon was the quintessential Targaryen. A dragonrider, a warrior, "Fire and Blood". He was knighted at sixteen by the Old King and given Dark Sister, the ancestral sword that belonged to Queen Visenya Targaryen, rider of Vhagar. In the very show, we have Viserys say Daemon was Alyssa's favorite because he was a warrior (she died when Daemon was 3 but ok), and he also tells Rhaenyra she is like Daemon, both blood of the dragon, chaotic and unpredictable.
Daemon was the one who raised an army to fight against Corlys for Viserys' claim during the Great Council of 101 (after the death of their father, who was the Prince of Dragonstone, chosen over Rhaenys' after her father, Aemon, died by accident during the Myrish Bloodbath). Daemon also only wanted to be acknowledged by Viserys, he never aimed for the throne (if he wanted the throne, he could have killed Viserys). Viserys didn't trust Daemon, but he trusted fucking Otto Hightower, TWICE. Even after he knew Otto was planning against his chosen heir. Daemon was always loyal to Viserys. His love and loyalty to his family is perhaps his only saving grace. He wants to protect the Targaryen name, dynasty and his loved ones (Viserys, Rhaenyra, their children).
And he is absolutely right, Viserys did name Rhaenyra as his heir to punish Daemon. With time, he came to see her as the right choice but never did anything to secure her place. He always put his new family between them.
Regarding Blood & Cheese, they keep pushing this accident narrative as they tried to do with Aemond and Lucerys, or the usurpation. It's not. Jaehaerys is a kid, yes, but also the usurper's heir. This is medieval times. Nobody cares about age. A child is a legacy only. Childhood doesn't exist and neither does CPS. It's normal in Westeros to take your enemy's firstborn son hostage once a war is won. And the greens were the ones who started the war both diplomatically by usurping, and actively when Aemond killed Lucerys. A son for a son is very much normal retribution.
Rhaenyra's passivity is a problem in the show. She's not like that in the book. Actually, Daemon is the one who is cautious about sending the dragons to war. Rhaenys the one who suggests it. This can't be solved by a division of assets with a mediator. When usurpers reach for the throne, they need to be killed; and the same applies to their entire line to unsure they do not try again.
You can see Aegon both parallels and opposes Viserys. He is reckless and violent, which Viserys never was, but he also does the very same thing Viserys did in the pilot. Viserys sends Daemon away after Otto manipulates him, which is the worst decision he made (and you can see he immediately cuts himself in the throne and starts to lose his fingers and eventually his hand, symbolism for his loss of support and how his Hand - Otto - is rotten). Aegon does the same to Otto, who now tastes the bitterness he made Daemon taste, and names Criston to humiliate him. Daemon never liked Otto and vice-versa. Otto doesn't like Daemon because Daemon sees him for what he is and he isn't weak and easy to manipulate as Viserys was, which is the reason he suggests Viserys name Rhaenyra as his heir while he works with Alicent to have her seduce Viserys. He just never counted on Viserys keeping Rhaenyra.
Wrong. Viserys kept the peace. Daemon destroyed it.
@@drakethesnek6429 How exactly did Daemon destroy it? The triarchy was threatening Westeros supply lines so he went and destroyed them stopping Westeros from getting involved in a war with the free cities, Viserys broke the peace the day he didnt name Aegon heir, and then Aemond started the war when he killed luke. How was that any of Daemons fault buckeroo?
@lucasbelmonte2832 and who was king when daemon went to war with the crab-king? Who funded his war?
And who was viserys' heir? Oh that's right, daemon's wife who he fully supports in her claim to the throne.
And war could have still been averted after what aemond did to luke. Daemon ruined that.
You act as if daemon is supporting aegon as king.
@@drakethesnek6429 Corlys funded the war in the step stones not Viserys, also Rhaneyra wanted Aemond dead after what he did. You are genuinely trying to do mental gymnastics to blame daemon when it was Aemond, and it’s sad.
@lucasbelmonte2832 rhaenyra never said she wanted aemond dead. That's how daemon interpreted her words, which started the war.
Thw only one engaging in mental gymnastics is you.
Otto is the ultimate villain, self righteousness runs in that family
When the difference between decapitated and incapacitated becomes quite important.
Otto's a sly bastard who (together with Daemon and arguably Viserys) is the architect of ALL of this, but oh man do I think will we and the realm miss his pragmatism in the episodes ahead. Something tells me that with Aegon, Cole, Daemon and Aemond now in charge, the realm is about to be torn apart, lit on fire, and raised to the ground.....
The dragon circling is Seasmoke. He's been on Driftmark since Laenor disappeared. You can tell by his coloring.
The rat catcher thing has an interesting parallel in our world right now.
Rhanyra did not want to send her own son to danger she had no problem sending Baela tho
I want to be clear as a book reader the book CLEARLY makes Team Black the FAR better team to vote for. GRRM himself said he's team black. He favored that team & there's not a single moment in the book, literally not 1 single moment where I was anything but team black. They have the good honorable people on their side. All those people y'all said were squeaky clean on team black YES that's how it's meant to be. Some fellows readers will cry afoul & mention some of the things Book Rhae does to make herself less amazing but even still she's FAR better than book Ally who is worse than show Ally. There is never & should never be a 'balance' between the 2 sides. Team black is the good & Green the bad. That's how it was in the book, & the book is still great. The story is fine. You don't need both sides to be equal.
I don't want to spoil future events at all. I just wanted to state that this conflict is NOT about both sides having an equal claim or both sides being good or anything like that. That's not the point.
Yeah I've read the book a few times. The first time was when it first came out way before the show. I've always been team black. I'm not going to get into spoilers for others but if we just look at the two rulers on both sides it's obvious Queen Rhaenyra is a much better choice than Aegon. She was raised and taught to rule from a young age. Aegon was not and was never supposed to be anywhere near that throne. I'm assuming King Viserys knew about all the bad shit Aegon was into since others knew. Aegon was like 7th in line after Queen Rhaenyra and her children which means he would most likely never rule. Otto and Alicent ambition ruined everything and destroyed the realm. It's obvious who's in the right. Granted there are morally questionable characters on both sides. Every once in a while I see a comment saying team green were the good guys in the book and all I think is what book did these people read. They must have skimmed through it and missed the details
@@kylethompson3008 I think Maelor and the people of kingslanding would disagree.
I wonder why you can sympathize with Alicent that she was pushed into being this evil person by others but cannot extend the same sympathy to Aegon. He was forced to rule when he didnt want it, he was not even taught to rule. His mother only sees him as a pawn piece that she needs to move around, so does his grandfather. His father doesnt care about him.
I feel like its the exact same situation Alicent was in decades ago.
And I think its intentionally done to show the generational trauma within the Greens. And the direct contrast to the Blacks.
And before the serial rapist comments, Alicent has ordered the murder of many, MANY people.
The show really fumbled when they made Aegon a grapist.. Especially now that Dayana is coming back in episode 3💀
@@Targussysussy Aegons a grapist in the books too. In fact in the books he grapes one of the maids and had a bastard with her. So wtf are you talking about?
Exactly, Aegon is a product of neglect and abuse.
Daemon and Viserys were very close, Otto got in the way of the brothers. He was the one always taking Daemon’s actions and twisted them to create a divide. Viserys’ was stupid enough to trust Otto and started questioning Daemon. This is why Daemon hates Otto and the Hightowers.
Daemons and Rhyneras plus Otto and Aegons scene’s makes this one of the best episode.
17:01 hey, step-sisters, sort of, but also relatives, since Rhaenys is a cousin of Viserys, so Leana and Daemon were related, so is Rhaenyra and thus her sons.... it is all just westerosi things really, not even Targaryen. Tywin married his first cousin, but then his twin children fking was weird by the set standards.
You both were on point about Otto, Aegon, and Alicent.
I find episode 2 was a lot to unfold, it was a masterpiece, showing the uproar and aftermath after the killing of the King's son Jaehaerys.
Two scenes hit me hard, that's the scene where Helaena was forced to be calm while they parade her dead son through the streets and Erick versus Eryyk.
I don't think Aegon was crying over his dead son, but over Otto's revelation (his father didn't choose him as his heir)
I think he was crying because he'd never had love until he had the innocent love of his son, and now that's gone. Still crying for himself, he's still a little shit, but it was still sad.
Orrr he was crying about everything. like most people in his situation would do...
@@rexibhazoboa7097 yeah, most people. He’s not most people.
@@svl_93 The way you proved nothing. Multiple shitty things had happened to Aegon at that point. It makes sense to assume he is crying about them all, not just one specific thing.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 Omg. Okay, Hand of the King. I didn't know I had to get into my lawyer mode, lol.
Watching Otto come to regret everything he did to get Aegon on the throne was so satisfying. They actually made me feel so bad for someone I despise so much. What a performance from Rhys Ifans
Sidenote: Alicent is very Cole-d to Aegon
Call me a monster, but I was really expecting that when they were pushing the cart over the pothole that it would have shaken the dead prince off the cart and down into the mud, causing the stitches to break and the head to roll into the crowd. I guess that's the Game of Thrones sicko in me LOL.
If we don't feel bad for Aegon in the end then we shouldn't feel bad for Rhaenyra because in season she had an innocent guard murdered to pass him off as Laenor. Alicent had empathy in her face when she walked in, she decided to leave him alone because maybe she thought that's what he needed----Rhaenyra had weeks of solitude when her son died.
That dragon flying above the beach was grey, I assume it is Seasmoke, Laenors dragon. Laenor went to Essos with his lover leaving Seasmoke alone on Dragonstone.
"Ahn, your rapist son is very sad" 😂 I laughed more than I should but you were so true for this!
I strongly dislike the change they did to the B&C incident, HOWEVER they(the showrunners) did a great job with the twins. IMO the reason I consider the dance of dragons to be the best storyline in the history of ASOIAF is due to incidents like B&C or the twins fight. It was such a tragedy for the brothers to fight that a song was made for them called farewell my brother. So far B&C poor change might be the only outlier this season if all the great moments that are yet to come are treated like the battle of twins. And they are doing pretty good job of foreshadowing the seeds thus far as well.
I think Adam saw Seesmoke, the dragon of Laenor. Now after Laenor left, his dragon is unclaimed... Like Vermithor, you saw him in the final of season 1 , who likes songs... Greetings from Germany❤ PS: I am so happy to see a good show again after Acolyte depression last weeks...😂
It’s crazy to remember this show and Acolyte have similar budgets but this show has double the length of episodes for double the quality.
Otto: refuses to hear his daughters grief stricken admissions
Alicent: refuses to console her grieving and tattered son
Aegon: refuses to even stop to say a kind word to his sister-wife
😭 generational trauma and sins of the parent in real time, otto so caught up in using his daughter as a tool that there was never any real father-daughter bond there, no emotional connection, and that has trickled down into how alicent is as a parent, and how aegon is as a person
"Blurring Jaehaerys's Body?". The visual of his body put back together is not as bad as the auditory of his head being cut off.
The idea that murdering Rhaenyra would end the war was naive and stupid. She would've been replaced by either Jacaerys or Daemon out for revenge and unrestrained.
Oh sorry for the double comment but I'm a bit saddened when you says HotD and The Boys are the only two perfectly acted shows on TV right now... there is a third : Interview with the Vampire.
And I'm really sad you havent kept up with cause it is absolutely bonkers and phenomenal.
ARRYK was killed first...it was ERRYK, Rhaenyra's kingsguard, who commits suicide... confirmed by the actors themselves.💔💔
Wonderful reaction. Your post episode discussion was intellectual and interesting, with great insights both about the content and film production knowledge.
That was sea smoke flying in the sky. Moondancer is bridle colored with stripes and is much smaller.
"Maybe this is what Criston Cole needs to become a better person"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!
That's put your "I feel like Erinwright is about to take responsibility for his actions and do the right thing" comment to shame!
Sorry, couldn't resist, LMAO :)
So is there a deleted scene where she runs back and says 'Your brother is in the castle!? Cause he bursts through the door and yells 'Brother!'
Yeah I think there must have been, but it probably messed with the pacing so they cut it. But it’s a weird gap now
They trust the audience to see one and one, and get to two
The assassin Arryk's first vowel sounds like the Canadian "eh" while the guardian Erryk's first vowel sounds like an American "eh".
Sending assassins after Aemond was also a good plan, until it wasn’t, so no, sending the twin to kill Rhaenyra is not a good idea
You guys are right not enough Oscars to go around this was an amazing episode. I always understood but hated Otto but I ended up loving him this episode. That's something this show is really good at, giving us reasons to hate the characters but adding something to make us to like them as well to a degree.
She meant to say “debilitated”. Definitely used the wrong word 😂😂
21:00 that was seasmoke. He was left on driftmark after leanor left
Green twin killed his brother he entered the room he said I had no choice he is bound by oath and orders yet he was having doubts his words matter the other clue the good twin gave the speech I still love ya brother then he was killed. The green knight turned his words tell ya " forgive me my Grace never said queen. " He then did what Cole wanted to do but Allcent stopped him no one stopped Arick he felt total dishonorable he betrayed his oath to the King heir but worse killed his own twin. I think he asked for forgiveness the good knight protected his queen and died protecting her that guy had zero forgiveness to give he was totally loyal.
All Aegons issues from the fact , that no one actually ever loved him, father never cared about him. Only his short termper from the born. He trying to do right even now, but....
jace comes home for the burial of his brother and tries to be proper while falling apart, his mom consoles him immediately. Alicent... not so much
Aegon, you couldn't pick a worse Hand. Sir Krispy Cole... the literal motherf**ker!
It throws me off too, when people combine names to describe a couple.
I don't understand why everyone rates it badly that Alisant doesn't comfort her son when he cries alone. Didn't anyone pay attention the last season?
Here she finally lets her son have a weak moment. Every time something like this happened and she was present, he felt criticized and belittled by her. If she had approached him here, he would not have been able to grieve anymore.
Alisant can't let go of Kristen either, because he's the only one who shows her love or at least affection. She never had. Neither from her father nor her dead husband or her children. Her live consist of pressure, being used, functioning, clearing away their children's dirt. She has absolutely nothing for herself. She knows it's wrong, but she can't give that up. At least not yet.
Otto did what Emmit Tills mother did. And Aegon instantly killed all their earned goodwill 🤦🏿♂️
Surely Otto knows his daughter is bumping knees w/ Cole? Surely many in the castle know about it as they've been doing it for literally years... Surely Cole's comeuppance is on the horizon, he's waaaaay too stupid to have covered up the affair?
Baela and Rhaena are not directly related to Jace and Luc. Their dad is Damon and mom is Laena. The boys are sons of Harwin Strong and not Laenor.
At first I was worried that the writers completey excluded Daeron from the show.. They finally mentioned my boy! When he shows up and he will, I hope they will portray him right - like in the books. For me he is not like Aegon or Aemond. He was a fairly kind, clever, and humble guy. Definitely the best among Alicen't sons. And honestly? The best among all of Viserys' kids (barring Helaena who we all love). Too bad, he was Alicent's third son. If Daeron was her eldest son then that throne would have been his. Or at the very least, Rhaenyra would have a tough time trying to defeat him. Because he's at least someone you can support for a reason beyond his so-called "birthright". Nonthelsss I can't wait till they give us Daeron the Daring alongside Tessarion! This episode was an emotional roller-coaster. From watching Aegon and poor Haleana griefing over their baby boy 😢. The Daemon and Rhaenyra "fall-out". But I know Daemon will undo his mistake in the next episode. Aemond cheeks supremacy!!!The Cargyll twins duell was so emotional I can't even 😭 Ser Criston probably by now the most disliked character! 🤣 Tom Glynn Carney, Emma D'Arcy and Rhys Ifans put a god-tier performance in this episode! peak acting.
Na that name is wild
tbf Alicent leaving her son makes total sense considering she was raised by Otto Hightower, she's had a terrible excuse of a father parenting her and now doesn't know any better. that's generational trauma for you
In the book they torture Blood for like two weeks, he got off real easy in this one
"People who find the show boring" are the people who loved the 7 dudes with plot armour vs 1000 white walkers on the rock on the ice stuff. Watching HOTD, you really see how GoT relied on "memes" and spectacle to cover how lacking the final seasons of that show were. This whole show is the gold from the first 3 seasons of GoT.
To clear the confusion
The showrunner Ryan Condal has confirmed that (team black)Erryk won the fight
team black always wins as they should
Clarus and her cringe when Aegons says give it to Cole ... hahhahahhaa ... GOLD.
The producers wanted both Arryk and Erryk to have the same wounds so you can never tell them apart. But anyone thinking that was Arryk is 100% wrong. Producers confirm it.
I can understand not getting it in the moment, but if you rewatch it the dialogue is so obvious which one is which and you can catch each wound.
I’m worried during the funeral when the cart got unstuck, the cart will jerk and the stitches on the head will roll off into the ground.
You know the show is A-Tier when even the f-ing dog deserves an Emmy
That fight between the twin brothers is supposed to represent the war between Rhaenyra and her own brother. The show made a mistake having Aegon be a teenage rapist. Otherwise if they just kept him a bored teenager forced into the role of king he wouldn't be so hated. Then the war between a brother and sister would seem a lot more tragic than a simple good guys vs baddies.
This episode more than any other has shown this war isn't simply a "good vs bad"
Aegon has more depth and likeability in this one episode than the entirety of the book. He's a very tragic character, who probably would've been a good man/king had he not been neglected by Viserys and wasn't just a tool by Otto.
he was always a r4pist and an assaulter in the books. also he’s like 21, not a teenager
@@hunterhorsehelmsley7315 For most (as shown by Nerdy/Clarus' reactions along with many others) Aegon will always be just a rapist idiot and there's no redemption from that. This leaves Team Black as the heroes because they have Rhaenyra who seems extremely competent and her equally moral and lovely family (Rhaenys, Corlys, Jace, Baela & co.) vs. a rapist, Cole, Alicent and a child killer.
Why would people not see one side as the righteous and the other as evil or at least undeserving.
@@mmemori According to unreliable sources. But more importantly Rhaenera is equally as horrible making their struggle more of a familial spat.
@@carebearsedai3005 so they’re unreliable narrators when it’s convenient for you? septon eustace who was a green supporter also supported the claim that aegon was sucked off by a 12 year old. and rhaenyra was never EVER as disgusting, predatory, and horrible as aegon and his faction.
The way she looked at you when you asked about Jace and Baela being together lmfao I started dying. 😂
17:03 hahahha i love Clarose's reaction to him asking about Jace and Baela dating
Im no expert, i have zero experience in acting or in studying acting, but to me this is the best acting I've seen in forever...
21:10 it's Laenor's Seasmoke probably, not Moondancer. No rider.
But why they needed pretend to have funeral when they just could have Aegon and Helaean grief in front of people and then have their son burned with their dragons
decapitated by his own insecurities is crazy
Considering how well Rhys Ifans is playing Otto as serious and calculating you wouldnt be able to tell he is an absolutely phenomenal Comedic actor, dudes immensely talented.
They leaned too hard making Aegon a piece of shit in the first season with making him a rapist, now people have next to no sympathy for him which is a shame because his actor is giving his heart and soul acting, the only people we feel truly sorry for is Helaena as she is completely innocent and truly a good person.
Cry harder greencel