Vampire: the Masquerade - The Book of Nod

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  • čas přidán 31. 08. 2020
  • Let us go back to the very birth of the Cainites. We shall read together the Book of Nod, fabled Book of Nod, collated by Aristotle deLaurent and his disciple Beckett, and learn of the first murder, Caine's banishment to Nod, his relationship to the mysterious Lilith, and more.
    In this first part of a trilogy, we will peer into Vampiric faith and creation myths. Before the Camarilla, before the Jyhad, there were two brothers who loved each other dearly.
    Lore sources:
    The Book of Nod
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Komentáře • 78

  • @Posturtle
    @Posturtle Před 3 lety +36

    In a Chicago Chronicle that I played, one of my characters was a Toreador Ancilla author and scholar. He had an extensive occult library including a copy of the Book of Nod (which certainly helped him being taken more seriously in his dealings with Clan Tremere). That being said, he made sure to emphasize to any of his Childer who would deign to become scholars that any study of Kindred History (or "Mythology" as he called it) is apocryphal at best. In fact, I am currently playing his Great Grand Childe, though not a scholar herself, was educated by her Sire who is a Professor that would not tolerate an ignorant girl as his Progeny. Still, any attempt by her to access the rarest texts in his library was greeted with something like: "Don't touch my stuff, Neonate!"

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +7

      That sounds like a great character concept! Yeah I think The Book of Nod, Erciyes Fragment and Revelations of the Dark Mother are all sufficiently vague and apocryphical that they shouldn't be taken at face value; I think they make for excellent props and sources of quotes and wisdom for a character who might be interested in it. I very much want to create a Nosferatu Bahari at this point.

  • @Harshworld100
    @Harshworld100 Před 3 lety +51

    That part of the prophecy where "the clanless will side with those who hate us"
    I'm fairly certain thats a warning that the thin bloods will sellout Kindred to the Second Inquisition for treating them like dirt. Not a terribly smart thing to do when your Vampire Messiah is going to be one of them.
    Awesome video as always!

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +19

      That's a really good suspicion. I feel that the thinbloods are given such a crap hand, I really want to see more of them organizing! :D

    • @cadefoster6626
      @cadefoster6626 Před 3 lety +5

      @@ThePrimogen They did organize after a fashion in the Sabbat as the Pander's (I mean it was neither a clan nor a bloodline, but it was something more than any of the Clanless had under the Camarilla). They also had large representation with the Anarchs, but were still not considered equals by the Brujah (I know the Anarchs had members from other clans, but let's be honest, the Anarchs of the modern nights were like 90% Brujah)

    • @KuLaydMahn
      @KuLaydMahn Před 3 lety +5

      Actually, now that you mention it... Chicago By Night touches on that, except it's not the SI - it's Lillith/the Bahari.

    • @bookbook9495
      @bookbook9495 Před rokem +2

      I assumed “us” meant elders, and thus the caitiff would align with the Sabbat

  • @unatco1148
    @unatco1148 Před 3 lety +51

    Vampire Bible

  • @johngleeman8347
    @johngleeman8347 Před 3 lety +18

    Cain has a simple but effective set of skills, as neatly documented on his character sheet. XD

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +1

      Hahaha, that sheet is... yeah... XD

  • @atomicash2475
    @atomicash2475 Před 3 lety +26

    It makes you wonder if all creatures within WoD and their end times stories are all referencing a single one

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +11

      Man I really should cover those end-time books too!

    • @KuLaydMahn
      @KuLaydMahn Před 3 lety +4

      Oh, definitely. Go watch the Primogen's video on "the Week of Nightmares," it repeatedly referenced a red star, the strengthening of the Gauntlet (the layer in between the material world and the Umbra/Spirit world) and the Avatar Storm. Mage 3E references the red star being seen in the Umbra as well, as a very ill omen (plus the Gauntlet and Avatar Storm are pretty big deal, making Spirit magic much more dangerous and difficult). And in Demon: the Fallen, iirc, those same events are also what let allowed all the Fallen to escape into the material world, if they could find a host body in time.
      So yeah... They're all tied together. Its one of the most endearing things about the WoD imo, that all the games take place in the same setting and each one is just an up-close look at one perspective in that world. I really hope WW/Paradox is able to bring out new editions of some these other games. Personally, I want - I NEED - a new edition of Mage! And Demon would be nice too, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

  • @duemender9780
    @duemender9780 Před 3 lety +22

    A constant topic between my friends and i, how it seems almost to be Camarilla propaganda, how it "fits so neatly in the narrative". I love these discussions. Great work! Thank you for making this video!

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +8

      I'm glad you enjoyed it! Under scrutiny, it does seem like it would help reinforce the rule of the Princes and elders, would it not? It really makes you think...

    • @duemender9780
      @duemender9780 Před 3 lety +5

      @@ThePrimogen Exactly! It goes against most of what the sabbat, a major supporter of the Book, says. In my opinion, there must be multiple versions, or at the least, the noddists in the sabbat have found other texts countering what Aristotle has written. Whatever it is, i have learned that every narrator in the WoD is fallible. Entirely capable of being wrong in 1 way or another. And that the truth truly is, somewhere in the middle.

  • @cadefoster6626
    @cadefoster6626 Před 3 lety +11

    The Erciyes Fragments, was one of the coolest books that White Wolf released.

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +3

      I will be giving it a look too, but I think I might cover it more extensively when I start doing Dark Ages stuff.

  • @chickenusgoddus464
    @chickenusgoddus464 Před 3 lety +12

    Caine lives! Pease through power! Oh wait wrong nod

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +1

      What a *strange* coincidence, huh? ;)

  • @frankparker1191
    @frankparker1191 Před 3 lety +23

    “The Demon Queen will bite deep. The Damned King will bite deeper.”
    My thoughts on Lilith exactly, she is a she devil and her children are abominations. Destroy them outright when you are able to.

    • @Gangrel442003
      @Gangrel442003 Před 3 lety +9

      "Mark well the Children of the One Below, the Serpent’s Kin, for their touch will burn you as does the flame of Michael, and their tongues will delude and deceive you."

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +8

      Ahi hay Lilitu!

  • @adamjeremycapps
    @adamjeremycapps Před rokem +1

    It was a great idea that never caught on-- having different types of vampires each in their own clan. There was a show on it, a really good book too called A Dozen Black Roses.

  • @Tia-Marie
    @Tia-Marie Před 3 lety +6

    I stopped playing VTM, but I keep my book of Nod right next to my old family bible XD

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +2

      It's one of those books you just gotta have around!

  • @zanchito
    @zanchito Před 3 lety +13

    Hadn't noticed the blm logo until now. Yet another reason this channel is awesome!

    • @gregoreisenhorn6601
      @gregoreisenhorn6601 Před 3 lety +4

      My opinions on blm are 50/50 however its funny to see a european profiting from american affairs.

    • @raulmenendez2312
      @raulmenendez2312 Před 3 lety +3

      @@gregoreisenhorn6601
      Same the dudes burning down the country are retarded but trying to increase quality of life for blacks is good

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +7

      Glad you enjoy it! And thank you, there's a link to the NAACP's legal and educational fund in the description too (I think the link in the little logo might be hard to read). Protests are still going on and people are still being murdered by the police. We've got issues over here in Sweden too, it's an international problem.

    • @1N2345
      @1N2345 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ThePrimogen people are still being assaulted and property burned by BLM too. Ain't that an issue? Or are some lives more important than others?
      "people are still being murdered by the police", look up actual stats instead of race supremacist propaganda my man. Police doesn'T hunt black people. It's a crazy, statistically unsubstanciated idea.
      Maybe you're one to think the cop should've let Ma'Khia Bryant stab that other chick?
      a trendy take, but a dangerously bad one.

  • @Demolitiondude
    @Demolitiondude Před 3 lety +4

    I should tell the prophecy of Phoenix.

  • @loverdeadly6128
    @loverdeadly6128 Před 10 měsíci

    “Lilith‘s Embrace” by Ancient is a delightfully cheesy music video about this topic.

  • @user-lc4xh7ts7h
    @user-lc4xh7ts7h Před 3 lety +12

    I was never a fan of Caine being the progenitor. The Gehenna Time of Judgement book left a bad taste in my mouth. I would prefer it to be a mystery, that's what I like about Vampire the Requiem. If White Wolf wants to do something with the Nodist Lore. They should make the narrative where it is revealed that the Vampires beginnings are more terrifying than what the Kindred thought it would be. They could twist it around saying it's not Caine who is the first Vampire, but it is actually Abel who rose from the dead changed and hungry for the blood of his brother's children for what happened to him. Or they could go down the route of making God Vampiric in its nature. There are so many twists they could do with the Nodist Lore. Hopefully, someday we'll see what White Wolf wants to do with the Nodist Lore and hopefully, it will be better than the Gehenna Time of Judgement book, because that book was just not good.

    • @davidfriend6462
      @davidfriend6462 Před 3 lety +3

      Oh! That's because it was bad. The Gehenna book is awful.

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +7

      I really like the idea of Adam being the actual progenitor of Kindred, that would be an interesting twist.
      I think when Gehenna was released, that was that. They were creatively burned out on World of Darkness and wanted to start working on Requiem, so I do feel like it was a bit of a letdown. Still, I will cover the Gehenna material as well!
      Plus, Gehenna is retconned, so there's nothing saying that facts stated in that book are actually true! I know that both the Church of Caine and the Bahari are active in Cults of the Blood Gods, for example.

  • @spazzmaticus9285
    @spazzmaticus9285 Před 3 lety +10

    Cool video though i recommend you give exalted a try it really shows you how insignificant mortals & lesser supernaturals
    are when compared to drug addled insane demi-gods though sadly while exalted was meant as a prequel to the old WoD
    the idea was scratched all together leaving a just a few bits and pieces in WoD for example: The Ebon Dragon & Scarlet
    Empress show up in Kindred of the East not to mention the strange "messengers" that keep screwing with hunters heads

    • @truesalubriseraphiel8227
      @truesalubriseraphiel8227 Před 3 lety +3

      The lore may not be officially canon but much of it still links with WoD very nicely. The Hunters being vessels for the once unconquered Sun was one such piece that could still be canon

  • @CtHuIHuSpAwN
    @CtHuIHuSpAwN Před 3 lety +1

    I'm a bit of a heretic/crazy person but when I was Storyteller, I made it where Caine was the last Abyssal Exalted after the Ebon Dragon final war in the Exalted setting. Again, cause I'm a crazy person. Lol

  • @luzies6334
    @luzies6334 Před 3 lety +5

    Yaaaay

  • @Eshanas
    @Eshanas Před 3 lety +4

    Interesting, to say the least!

    • @ThePrimogen
      @ThePrimogen  Před 3 lety +1

      I'm glad you found it interesting! :D

  • @wingaleviosa1354
    @wingaleviosa1354 Před 3 lety +2

    My favourite story!!!

  • @martinmyggestik292
    @martinmyggestik292 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I love your little narrator animation 😊

  • @marchanddemodes8927
    @marchanddemodes8927 Před 3 lety +1

    The BLOOD BOND!

  • @Shotta0202
    @Shotta0202 Před rokem

    Now I wanna know what the.lasombra's dreams is XD

  • @jeannedouglas9912
    @jeannedouglas9912 Před 24 dny

    FAR TÒO COMPLICATED FOR THIS PLEBIAN. PEACE!

  • @monaiannucci9434
    @monaiannucci9434 Před rokem

    I feel I'm the dark mother

  • @side1981
    @side1981 Před 2 lety

    Isn't Becket wrong about everything?