T6 Ranked Ships - Tier List
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- A much requested vid, my tier list for T6 ships for ranked. Strap in, it's a long one.
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00:00 Fubuki
00:42 Monaghan
01:24 Dallas
01:47 Pensacola
02:13 Arizona & New Mexico
02:18 West Virginia
02:24 CVs
02:37 Gnevny
03:05 Budyonny
03:12 Makarov
03:55 Hatsuharu, reconsidered at 12:11
04:23 Molotov
04:32 Izmail
04:43 Novorossiysk
05:28 Gaede
06:40 T-61
07:00 K. Schönberg
07:55 Graf Spee
08:10 Nürnberg
08:27 Bayern
09:45 Shinonome
10:08 Mackensen
10:39 P.E. Friedrich
11:48 Gallant
13:23 Icarus
15:11 Devonshire
17:51 Leander
17:56 Dido
20:53 London
23:02 Tier list disclaimer
23:27 Aoba
26:05 Repulse
26:18 Renown
26:44 Queen Elizabeth
28:32 Warspite
32:08 Aigle
34:16 Guépard
37:35 De Grasse & La Galissonnière
41:27 Gokase
41:53 Dunkerque
42:33 Normandie
42:43 Aviere
46:14 Leone
49:13 Duco D'Aosta
50:43 Trento
53:31 Andrea Doria
55:40 Anshan & Fushun
01:00:21 Fusō
01:03:41 Huanghe
01:06:55 Rahmat
01:10:01 Västerås
01:14:12 Mysore
01:19:51 Kijkduin
01:21:50 Perth
01:23:23 Juruá
01:24:10 Canarias
01:26:24 Ise
01:28:19 Mutsu
01:29:35 Farragut - Hry
If some madman wants to add timestamps I'll add them to the video, it ended up being pretty damn long!
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One other thing about Mysore that's worth mentioning flamu; she has improved shell alpha over Leander and 66% firepower at the front, meaning she can bow tank all cruisers except GS and still pump out an impressive amount of damage, meaning you can out-trade in many circumstances. Honestly, she's criminally underrated and even has semi-functional AA.
I have rank out on Hatsaharu , I had few battles on her when whole week when I 4 times reset Harugumo , and for some reason Hatsuharu worked well ... maybe because I have 21p commander on her & shitload experience with regrinds...
_They called me a madman_
00:10 Fubuki
00:42 Monaghan
01:24 Dallas
01:47 Pensacola
02:13 Arizona & New Mexico
02:18 West Virginia
02:24 CVs
02:37 Gnevny
03:05 Budyonny
03:12 Makarov
03:55 Hatsuharu, reconsidered at 12:11
04:23 Molotov
04:32 Izmail
04:43 Novorossiysk
05:28 Gaede
06:40 T-61
07:00 K. Schönberg
07:55 Graf Spee
08:10 Nürnberg
08:27 Bayern
09:45 Shinonome
10:08 Mackensen
10:39 P.E. Friedrich
11:48 Gallant
13:23 Icarus
15:11 Devonshire
17:51 Leander
17:56 Dido
20:53 London
23:02 Tier list disclaimer
23:27 Aoba
26:05 Repulse
26:18 Renown
26:44 Queen Elizabeth
28:32 Warspite
32:08 Aigle
34:16 Guépard
37:35 De Grasse & La Galissonnière
41:27 Gokase
41:53 Dunkerque
42:33 Normandie
42:43 Aviere
46:14 Leone
49:13 Duco D'Aosta
50:43 Trento
53:31 Andrea Doria
55:40 Anshan & Fushun
01:00:21 Fusō
01:03:41 Huanghe
01:06:55 Rahmat
01:10:01 Västerås
01:14:12 Mysore
01:19:51 Kijkduin
01:21:50 Perth
01:23:23 Juruá
01:24:10 Canarias
01:26:24 Ise
01:28:19 Mutsu
01:29:35 Farragut
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They need to copy/paste this in the description so it time stamps the video
Thank you!
you are craaazzzy 😉
You know there is a russian bias in the game when the Nurnberg has ship depth charges and the Makarov has airstrikes.
Top Sekrit stuff....
Yes but at the same time Nurnberg gets better hydro and better torps I believe
@@sargisshirinyan207 that's not the point. Its the argument that all surface ships that have ship deployed ASW are are a significant disadvantage than airstike ASWs since they MUST engage the SS from point blank range.
Not only does this put the ship at risk of putting themselves into a crossfire by other surface ships, subs can more easily pull off a shotgun if a ship is forced to close the distance.
Cruisers are not destroyers; they have citadels, they don't have the same agility, and they are not a stealthy.
Its just WG creating problems and selling solutions to us. And that's what's infuriating.
Nurnberg trades antisub potential for better gun range, rudder shift, torps and hydro. Aye, russian bias.
@@KapteeniKetza exactly, the previous commenter didn't understand my point and wrote a whole book about how ship based asw is useless, which is correct 💯, but still Nurnberg is by far a better ship thanks to all advantages you mentioned.
I even proc Lutjens reload boost on Nurnberg and Konigsberg
Thanks, Flamu. I always appreciate the insights before I embark on the adventure that is week 1-2 bronze league ranked.
Nice work Flamu, thanks for the list.
PSA, if you are interested in Perth, but haven't bought it, it is sometimes free on Australia day, Jan 26, so consider waiting a bit.
these ranked tier lists are my favorite videos :)
Renown and repulse have carried me to rank 3 relatively easily, Anshan is also quite fun
Maybe it's just me, but sometimes Repulse's projectiles end up in totally unrelated places (although sometimes rng saves some damn stupid players...); Anyway, I think it's a great ship for bronze ranked
Agree on Anshan; it can do everything pretty well and the guns smash.
1:56 Pensacola only struggles against BB with 380mm or bigger guns, citadel everywhere (overmatch plating and citadel deck), otherwise it tank quite well for a cruiser.
Also don't forget... very accurate low volume lobbing secondaries for memes.
Pensacola rules, until it explodes violently. But until that moment, it's the best.
@@SlavicCelery Well most T6 cruisers explode violently... The thing is with Pensa you make it happen to other cruisers.
Was waiting for this, u da MVP flolo!
Very useful, thanks for putting this together!
Just came back to the game after a few weeks away. Decided to try Ranked. Played Pensacola, Arizona, Dido and Farragut. All four were wins. Pensacola in particular is criminally underrated. Those 10 203s can smash almost anything.
They are basically de moines guns with worse reload...
Graf Spee is great.
Good health, good armor, good caliber, has torpedoes, has hydroes, it is an all in one package
@@whattheflyingduck6878 It is great at least based on my available ship.
It has every tools for winning. The main weakness is the damage output when facing bow on opponent.
When the oponent ia broadside to you, 3 penetration yield to around 3-6k depends on the saturation.
Plus it can citadel ships such as Izmail at around 10 km distance.
Good if you can position yourself so you get enemy broadside.
Izmal is prone to eating random citadels from 15inch+ guns, due to 20-25mm decks'
is Pyotr Velikiy the same? Once cit that thing with Iron Duke HE
@@willdyer9688 different, Pyotr gets citadeled by HE because 38mm citadel deck is exposed in the rear
Izmal is citadeled by 15"+ AP because it has 25mm + 20mm deck, with get overmatched on entire length of the ship
@@arczer2519 ahhhh OK thanks
When you do tier lists like this, it would be nice if there were a link to the final tier list in the description so we can open it and look at it. It is displayed at the end, but it's inconvenient since it doesn't even fit in frame so we have to scrub back and forth if we want to browse it.
This is hilarious I always take a year or two off of wows but I always come back and yesterday I chose to come back and today I was thinking what ships should I fxp up to. This list is great.
thanks Flamu, you da bestest! ;)
Good to see the Huang He getting some respect put back on her name. Not to mention her AA actually shreds planes at her tier despite not having defensive fire.
Graf fought 2 Leander class @ battle of river plate (Ajax and Achillies), Exeter is Tier 5 in WOWs. Perth is modified Leander-Class. Good list Flamu! Cheers!
Izmail is such a strong ship, her guns punch really hard, bad reload so you have to be mindful of when to take your shots. Great turret angles also
Cant wait to see some Flamu Mysore game play might be interesting.
normandie is great.. the gunpower and decent armor combined w some of the best speed at the tier is great. also good range
Funny that P.E.F ended up in C Tier in a ranked Tierlist. People always forget about it's absolutly murderous secondaries.
8.5km range, good reload and dispersion while having 105mm and 150mm.
(Mackensen gets 88mm which can't pen anything.)
Fubuki was the thing i was wondering and it was the first ship in the list nice
I had a very good time with Aviere. Close range DD for close range maps
@@franz265 no it doesnt
Facing a t61 just goes the same as any other german hydro dd:
you know he is in the game so appraoch a cap accordingly in expectance to stay out of his hydro range or get out of it quickly enough.
Then you wait until hydro and smoke run out and then you try to engage him at your terms.
T61 cant compete with Avieres gun power and specially the SAP alpha dmg is super nasty, you basically just need three good salvos to kill any other t6 dd ( I two-shotted IJN dds) , if they are not bow in.
Also Avieres profile sits very, very low in the water , while being fast (39.5 with signal and without the speed boost) with an excellent ruddershift (all of those aspects better then the t61), which makes it hard-er to hit consistantly in a knife fight.
But to sum it up and since you wrote it outplays the Aviere in EVERY aspect:
Aviere is faster, more agile with better ruddershift, has better guns, faster reloading torps, which also have a decent range for the tier (10km) and a better concealment (allthough really slow, but that can be an advantage - Black players know what i mean) and if u timed it well enough you can smoke up while he stays spotted by a team mate.
T61 is the king of cap contesters at the tier and to play against a good player, who knows the limitations of his ship, can be a pain in the ass, but then you just reposition and pick a different target for the time being. But I'd reckon it is more a ship designed for ..hum...lazy players. And as so many other ships designed for wargamings slightly dented whales, it becomes super potent when played by a player, who is NOT a dented whale, but it has weaknesses and you can counter it, if you know how.
Aviere needs hands and map awarness or you will indeed fail miserably, but its a bit like other high risk-high reward ships in the game - if you have the skill and digg the playstyle, it is very rewarding.
Overall-i would accept a one vs one against a t61 in an Aviere any time. Not that i am certain to win every single time, but i'd like my chances.
oh and i nearly forgot one quite important aspect in the ranked environment, which is fairly unique for the Aviere on this tier:
You do have the potential to finish of damaged BBs (important distinction-your torps are too weak for the majority of full hp t6 bbs) by a smoke-yolo run in open water (no islands needed), which can be an extremely usefull tool to have in your locker in ranked and as far as i know, the Aviere is the only dd on the tier able to do so.
@@franz265 Yeah, let me just buy that DD
FYI - the Warspite ashtray was from late January 2021. It's still up on insta
Mackensen has also, which has to be remembered, Hydro. I think, it is the only Tier 6 BB with it. It's AA does however suck... so if one of those carriers are in the game...
Don't sleep on torpedo DDs! Low tier small scale ranked means lots of brawling BBs and the games usually last about 10mins.
And you still can't rely on your mates so it's good to burst down enemies yourself.
Might not be easy but I have had massive success with Jianwei in ranked and will try my best in Fushun.
Guepard played well is just terrifying tho.
The thing is in those kind of chaotic close range brawls... anything with torpedoes is just as good. Farragut (or Nicholas in T5 last season even moreso) can get off close-range torpedo ambushes while also having excellent gun DPM. In comparison a 'pure torpedo' DD like the TT IJN DDs can be bullied away from those kind of opportunities due to having bad guns, and have to rely almost solely on stealth-torping to contribute.
@@nlb137 Maybe it just suits my playstyle but I usually find a lot of value in controlling the engagement. I use my guns to trade smartly pretty often.
Fubuki is terrible as it lacks concealment but Hatsu is pretty strong imo.
I'm currently grinding Yugumo and I love it, I rarely lose DD fights.
But I don't disagree with you.
It makes me sad that Leander keeps getting beaten with the Nerf Hammer, but a ship not to be underestimated. Still one of my absolute favourite ships.
In the T6 CB, we had a Leander and Perth combo that just traded smokes and Hydros for the entire game, spamming the crap out of anything that was dumb enough to be in range. Made for a vicious combo because played right, they never got spotted but dealt tons of damage.
Aren't you going to make a video about how to play dirigable derby? Could you give a peace of advice?
I got to Silver qualifying in the T-61 in 23 games. Could have done it in 21 but I didn't have on carry pants. Using Cossack now.
Queen Elisabeth is really strong, as long as you remember to spam HE -only, even against cruisers,except flat broadside, and focus DD's first.
Just zipped through in the t61, only real counter i faced were the bearn skip bombers to be honest, those are just mean
Are you using verb conceal as a noun? But also say it right when mentioning concealment expert
concealment is a noun.
W Virginia with 406 guns should be S tier. Just take a look at WoWs stats for top damage at tier 6. I get citadels all the time in ranked especially at range where the shells just easily plunge through the deck of enemy BBs. The BB is a monster if played well.
Yeah, when playing this ship I often citadel fuso from like 18+km lol (with spotter + range module). Also Mutsu is S tier, while Canarias in A or B IMO
Canarias C tier
Got to rank 1 with Leone 100% WR. Very good against DDs.
Few mistakes were made here: Novorossijsk has battlecruiser dispersion, Hatsuharu has the same torps as Fubuki
Just came back to this because tier 6 is bronze ranked again. I rolled through the league in a day thanks to my Perth with an occasional brain break in my Repulse. Nice to see that my best ships are listed here as S tier.
in few hours with Renown, Rahmat and Vasteras finished ranking.
I blew through Bronze with Arizona in 2 days having only a couple of losses with it. Its basically a Vermont at its tier.
I just sprinted through Bronze league in my Arizona instantly 😂
Shinonome is legit t6 kamikaze! Yes yes 20second longer reload, but u got 8lm range and 9 torps, compared to 7km and 6 torps
P.S. DIDO is shit, but it shits real hard on DDs, other than that is ur standard camping behind islands CL
I find it quite curious that Flamu put two sister DD pairs two tiers apart. Fubuki has worse gun dpm than Shinonome, but better concealment, faster rudder, as well as stronger torpedoes with better range and identical reaction time. Then there is Farragut and Monaghan (use historical hull, of course, not WG's made up 2 gun shit). Monaghan has one gun less and standard smoke, as well as slightly slower rudder, but she has more health, better concealment and torpedo reload booster. Putting Fubuki and Monaghan one tier lower than their sisters I can understand, but I think that neither warrants a two tier gap.
Other than that, I would agree with the list in so far as that I would not put any ship more than one tier lower or higher than Flamu did, mostly down to personal experience and familiarity with the ships.
Izmail seemed good, but my Mutsu had a disagreement with it lol, I have smashed all the ones I have met so far.
Isnt MUTSU 410mm?
@@popeconstantine8839 yes, hence the smashing of the IzmaIls, but I actually run a secondary build on it, hilarious.
Yeah, Mutsu is strong S tier
T8 ranked tier list pls
after 10 minutes, I see T-61 & Admiral Graf Spee at S-tier, Bayern "only" on A-tier, pretty easy deserved like Flolo 🤪👍
( but when a Bayern meets Izmail ( also A-tier ) the outcome of the engagement in these small maps engagements where brawling is not death, pretty predictable - 1 ship with owermatch, secondaries and turtleback, against a BB that is easy citadelable... yes, I am puting big questionmark about Izmail A-tier 🙄 )
izmail blaps cruiser which bayern don't do as easily
also smart izmail load HE for his first salvo and cripple (or straight up kill) one enemy destroyer which half of the time wins you the game
I just came here to find out if my instinct that the lobsterminator is an F tier ship. I was correct
I don’t get why he’s putting the izmail so high, it has a citadel easier to hit than the Omaha. I love seeing izmail on an enemy team because it means quick damage and easy kill.
Not sure why Graf is S tier tbh... I get that it has a heal, is tanky for its tier, with good yolo torps, and big guns; but good luck hitting anything with those guns, the torps are exposed and easy to knock out, the DPM is horrific, the armour on her extremities is bad, and good luck dealing with any type of DD due to being very slow for a cruiser, the over pen mechanic on 283s, and her anaemic HE.
The big problem is you need time to be effective; IMO she is great if the game goes long.
Love Aigle. Definitely strong. It's great for torp runs on BBs. Weaknesses are low shell velocity, poor firing arcs, and 6.8 detection range. Imma middling player but have a 65% w/r with it over 104 battles.
Looks alright except Fuso at A tier. I played her again after like 2-3 years and i was very much surprised how abysmal the dispersion is. I had multiple perfectly aimed broadside shots below 10kms where all 12 guns missed… bleh….
I would rate lets say a warspite much higher than the fuso.
I liked this because Perth!
Why put Shinonome on A and Fubuki on C tier?
Shinonome has slightly worse concealment and rudder shift, inferior shooting range, inferior gun reload and worse gun traverse, all for one more gun turret and "better torpedoes".
And by "better torpedoes", I mean torpedoes that deal 10% less damage, have 2km less range, and 0.1km worse detectability range, all in trade of a reload 3 seconds better and 4 knots faster speed. FOUR knots. With the worse detectability, Fubuki and Shinonome have both the same reaction time on their torps...
I'd take Fubuki torpedoes over these any time.
As for the guns, while 50% more guns is nice, especially since the additional turret is on the back (nice for kiting), the reload and traverse make them unconfortable to use (when turning your ship, you easily lose target because your guns are lagging behind). They have the worst traverse of the tier, and their range and vertical dispersion are second worst, only beaten by Aviere. All for a HE dpm that is "only" 33% better than Fubuki, and average for DDs this tier.
So a slightly worse hull equipped with slightly worse torpedoes, for a better main battery but that is significantly less comfortable to use (I mean, they're effective, but a pain to use).
"A tier".
I have a good number of battles in both ship, and Hatsuharu as well, with good results with all three. Shinonome to me is the worst of the three.
Flamu, the game has changed since you started playing. Shinonome isn't what it used to be.
Agreed. I just wrote a comment to that effect, although I made the same argument about Monaghan and Farragut as well. Two tiers is too large a gap.
Perth is such a great ship.
Why is Shinonome torps considered good?
Lots of them.
I wish there was no over-pens. I just wish instead of an over-pen it would act as a reduced damage of an HE shell like 1/4th the damage. Bc like for dd's going against a cruiser or BB is ludicrous. I mean i get it, a dd should not be equally matched against a cruiser or BB but come on, constant over-pens is just ridiculous
i have all teh ships and i honestly prefer the ARIZONA the most ... super good guns ... yes its slow but that helps me not yolo xD
Whatever i may pick,i'll get T2 teammates
Yeah, WG should buff them. It feels like your average teammates are just not human.
Ships play some part in the gameplay but the players are more critical.. Pushed to R1 in Bronze using Bbs, constantly with the Galaxy best MM AI with 800-900xp players in my team. I m an avg 1800xp random player. Ranks MM sux even worst than Randoms
don't directly compare DPM of light and heavy cruisers together - that's a mistake
now i wanna bring a vesteras to ranked with flamu haha
wanna see him rage!
Dido is great, it's down side is the smoke and firing angles, however that thing is just a filthy dmg farmer. I used her in the previous ranked and I did easily get 80k plus.
hehe, when you just zipped through bronze with 80% winrate despite so many t61s and cvs in a ship, that Flolo doesnt deem worthy ^^
the Aviere needs a bit of hands, but it simply dumpsters every other t6 dd in one vs one (except other Avieres, which is allways a funny "how dare you pick MY ship, sir" moment) . The smoke CAN be an issue, but again - you need hands and map awarness for this ship.
It kinda baffles me, that Folo dislikes these ships so much, since they offer something unique and at least the t5 to t7 are really, really good at it.
And regarding the Aigle being in A tier:
The bad concealment is a real issue since you cant really spot enemy dds for urself and - which i dislike the most - it has suuuuper floaty, light shells,whith the worst dragg in the game (at least the worst of any ship i ever played including Atlanta) where you have to zoom out specially when you are in a close range gun fight with an enemy dd.
aviere is godtier in ranked because you push an enemy DD you trash him (aigle guepard and gallant included) because you have SAP then you are dark because your range is so dogshit.
also other DDs usually don't have a brain and fire at you if they outspot you which basically spot them for you and if you have decent awareness your gun will be already pointed at them.
the torps are decent at dealing with BBs which you always outrun
there is almost no cruiser in ranked and when there is they get blown up in 1 salvo by a BB so they are not a threat to you
if you have hands and balls of steel you basically solo win 80% of the games with no carrier
it's also good because it's play styles kinda fit ranked where you want to clear 2 caps which create pressure, you do that by either being a z61 and being in smoke+hydro on the cap or by kicking the enemy DDs in the mouth
for a potato it is F tier but for a 52%WR player like me it's S or arguably a high A
Sorry but ... Monaghan is awesome !! Who needs guns when you have 70 knots torps that can OS any ship and a fast reload on top of that ? I made my way out of bronze easy just playing her. DD, CA BB ONESHOT !! This DD is a tutorial for Torp delivered directly on the deck. Actually you can play her in 2 configurations. Slow, long range torps (9.5km) or super fast torps short range. But for Rank First configuration is optimal. No one can dodge these torps, even other DDs !! Once fired someone has to die !
Bearn 👌 cause why not ruin any dds day :D
ALL 15" british shells have tet worse fire chance becuase WeeGee copyed it from the WARSPITE, back before HE was the bri'ish gimmick
Jurua S+
To be honest, maestrale got me through t5. It wins games when there are only 6 players. But i don't know if aviere can pull off the same
Monaghan have another optio. 4 guns from Farragut with same torps as Farragut and Defensive AA or torps Reload + 13.9k HP vs 11.5k. He is not so bad
My T6 bbs are Dunk, Novo and spite… tend to do a little better in the Novo, but I’ve ended up using. Shinonome. Got to rank 2 bronze then I had a row of meh games.
CITADEL
(This is about a year late but...) Aigle firing angles are incredibly garbage
Actually, PEF is a very disgusting ship in ranked when secondary specced.
T-61 doesn't belong in ranked, may as well lets a T8 ship in the T6 ranked. Cvs or subs also a terrible idea.
1:09:24
Repulse and renown over the west VA 1941.... I agree with a lot of your rankings, but not that one. 16 inch guns at t6 means you have Yamato levels of overmatch. Look up wows by the numbers, no other BB matches it's average damage.
It also the only BB in the game which can citadel other BBs which show you broadside at 18km+ range (range module+spotter). My favourite Tier 6 BB as well as Mutsu. Both deserve strong S Tier
Arizona being trash tier is a joke. 12 accurate guns that slap. Yeah the reload is slow but it deletes ships off the map.
Agree, although I prefer West Virginia more due to best AP pen in Tier+406mm caliber. This is the only battleship in the game which can often citadel bbs from 18+km (range module+spotter). If you meet fuso - it's a prey, since even if it shows you broadside at max range - West Virginia very often citadels it
Dido is absolute trash... too slow, gun reload awful. Might be the only prem ship I've ever sold.
Well you're gonna get it again out of a box
@@nerfboy621 ugh... you are right... i should have kept it.
I think this ship lists are pointless bcs everbody has its own style of play,i would dare to say most of t6 cruisers are shit,for example i dont like graf spee which is here S tier bcs its one of the easiest cruisers to citadel and it has only 6 guns so bad players will always try to use all guns and probably expload,flamu is great player but i think you need to find what suits you best
It's his point of view, so the only thing pointless here is your comment.
@@rickb6694 I agree with you about being his point of view,i know that,but what i wanted to say people are like sheeps today,if graf spee is available to buy today in armory many would probably go buy it,btw i knew some smart one like you would come with comment like yours,try to say something less cliche,that is just my opinion,no need to be flamu attorney
obviously! but these lists just show what potential the creator sees in the ships: if a ship has crazy potential but you just suck in it, don't play it of course!
Sky cancer here, i finished them with the E.Loewenhardt