MKBHD: YouTube Shorts Will DESTROY TikTok

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  • čas přidán 3. 11. 2022
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    Comedian Andrew Schulz and CZcams legend Marques Brownlee discuss who will win in the battle for short form content, youtube shorts or TikTok?
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Komentáře • 627

  • @hazelbdev
    @hazelbdev Před rokem +1535

    Wondering if I’m the only person who still hasn’t downloaded ticktock and created an account 😂😂

  • @unstablefusion3
    @unstablefusion3 Před rokem +275

    I never thought I would see MKBHD and Andrew Schulz in the same room. Amazing.

    • @readwithJoey
      @readwithJoey Před rokem +3

      God definitely switched their personalities.

    • @ranndino
      @ranndino Před rokem +2

      Yeah, two of my favorite people.

    • @aubreyyoung4610
      @aubreyyoung4610 Před rokem

      @@readwithJoey stop the white nonsense. Black folk can do tech, white folk can do standup.

    • @readwithJoey
      @readwithJoey Před rokem +1

      @@ranndino just a joke lighten up 🤪😜

    • @BigWealthySchlong
      @BigWealthySchlong Před rokem

      IKR. But they do click :)

  • @pabloquijadasalazar7507
    @pabloquijadasalazar7507 Před rokem +549

    CZcams is king & queen of video. There’s educational videos, there’s news, there’s sports, there’s full movies & tv shows (both legal & pirated), there’s music, there’s lyrics, there’s fanfics, there’s memes, opinions, editorials, video essays, pretend video friends, etc.
    There’s no competition.

    • @goofygoober420
      @goofygoober420 Před rokem

      Not that it's needed but it's seems the only form of media they are missing is pornography

    • @SFTbeats
      @SFTbeats Před rokem +27

      Discoverability is difficult on CZcams. Tiktok is more interactive with duets and stitches.

    • @dragonslayer0
      @dragonslayer0 Před rokem +2

      CZcams is in that sweet spot that it can sustain with whatever it has in the long form .... But any new insight can easily play into the current form seamlessly

    • @noexcuse.s
      @noexcuse.s Před rokem

      There is no freedom of speech

    • @NeverTrust298
      @NeverTrust298 Před rokem

      yeah but tiktok it's so much easier to edit and upload just in the spot

  • @NotWhatYouThink
    @NotWhatYouThink Před rokem +15

    Regarding 5:05 If the last thing you watched on the CZcams app was a Short (and then you closed the app), the next time you open the CZcams app, it autoplays Shorts (just like TikTok). It's been like that for a long time now.
    P.S. big fan!

  • @zeekay6952
    @zeekay6952 Před rokem +13

    The reason why TikTok became wildly popular is because anyone could make a TikTok and get famous. CZcams shorts right now only seems to push content from creators, tbh dont think shorts will ever be more used than tiktok

  • @RainxOnxMex
    @RainxOnxMex Před rokem +54

    I watched CZcams for years before TikTok ever existed. Why would I ditch it now when Shorts is exactly the same?

    • @Abdullah-vg1uc
      @Abdullah-vg1uc Před rokem +5

      Because most tik tokers use tik tok they don't use CZcams

    • @Renaissance464
      @Renaissance464 Před rokem +8

      @@Abdullah-vg1uc Yeah but we watch youtube creators... Why would we want to watch tik tok creators, dances or challenges?...

    • @benlow5537
      @benlow5537 Před rokem +1

      Tiktok is completely different

    • @KWPZ21
      @KWPZ21 Před rokem +1

      I tried TikTok. As of now Tiktok recommends a more related video than Shorts which will get you watching nonstop. Maybe it's just that a lot of people use Tiktok more than Shorts. What I don't like about Tiktok is that your liked videos will be on your favorites. I want a separate button to save a video.

    • @podcasthostel
      @podcasthostel Před rokem +5

      TikTok algorithm is much much better. When I watch shorts on youtube I get tons of repeated videos and it doesn't throw me any curveballs and new content to discover, on TikTok I'm constantly discovering new stuff

  • @blindsniper9794
    @blindsniper9794 Před rokem +221

    "TikTok feeds you content. CZcams feeds you choices and choice is paralyzing"
    Choice is only paralyzing because it makes you think, and people have been trained not to think because they're constantly fed content.

    • @MichelangeloBeats
      @MichelangeloBeats Před rokem +24

      Analysis paralysis has been a human flaw way before social media and content

    • @pppp5425
      @pppp5425 Před rokem +7

      The only reason i never used tiktok is because it just plays whatever shit.

    • @IbkAdelekan
      @IbkAdelekan Před rokem

      Analysis paralysis has always existed. It's hard wired into our brain. You can make a more discerning decision with 3 choices than with 100. Has nothing to do with social media. Absolutely nothing.

    • @fallenlegend7952
      @fallenlegend7952 Před rokem +2

      @@pppp5425 after you use it for a day it shows you things you want.

    • @grandpanda2791
      @grandpanda2791 Před rokem

      We live in a society

  • @jordyfresco
    @jordyfresco Před rokem +13

    Unlikely collabs are great because they bring two worlds together and new fans are formed

  • @josehnegrete
    @josehnegrete Před rokem +2

    The issue with CZcams shorts is the copyright music problem. TikTok is the wild west, so stuff like that doesn't matter, and it's more accessible for new content creators.

  • @garve2017
    @garve2017 Před rokem +22

    what’s crazy is how well schultzs strategy worked, i watched a bunch of his shorts which were funny enough to make me look up his specials now im a fan

    • @TheAluvisify
      @TheAluvisify Před rokem +1

      Yeah, shorts are going to do absolute wonders for podcasts, interviews, and any comedy specials.

  • @ebenezerferguson3756
    @ebenezerferguson3756 Před rokem +124

    I like how MKBHD tries his possible best to escape politics.

    • @Outright_Mike
      @Outright_Mike Před rokem +11

      Even when he reviews tech rarely makes incendiary takes. I like how his comments are always measured

    • @polite153
      @polite153 Před rokem +1

      Quite obvious isnt it, reviews tech like huwai phones, which are essentially chinese state owned, same like tiktok and most things chinse

    • @corbvn373
      @corbvn373 Před rokem

      @@polite153 because he is usually doing things for all budgets i don't think he has any agenda there lol

    • @polite153
      @polite153 Před rokem

      @@corbvn373 you must be naive to think companies are not pouring in money for those reviews

    • @moeezS
      @moeezS Před rokem

      Being actively apolitical is political in itself. MKBHD even was sitting on the fence about BLM. He's just there for the corporations.

  • @omeysalvi
    @omeysalvi Před rokem +17

    This conversation feels too dignified for Flagrant

  • @stacks353
    @stacks353 Před rokem +14

    Andrew and a guest is much more palatable than four guys talking over each other.

  • @sydneyreed7056
    @sydneyreed7056 Před rokem +6

    only way reels or shorts will become more prominently used and consumed, is for CZcams to highlight the form factor more aggressively, even in the face of other services like CZcams Music etc. Its (user interface) positioning / weak integration becomes even less impactful when compared to how concentrated the experience is on Tik Tok

  • @ikkue
    @ikkue Před rokem +2

    5:41 Actually, if you close the app with a Shorts as the last thing you watched, when you open it back up it automatically starts with Shorts.

  • @AparnaJain1
    @AparnaJain1 Před rokem +86

    Marques deflects every government allegation question into a tech and algorithm question so seamlessly 😅

    • @crypticTV
      @crypticTV Před rokem +4

      It's true what he says tho

    • @handlemonium
      @handlemonium Před rokem

      "conversational segue"

    • @andyc9902
      @andyc9902 Před rokem +4

      He's the system

    • @andyc9902
      @andyc9902 Před rokem

      He's not Kanye. He's in the matrix

    • @justinyeung2502
      @justinyeung2502 Před rokem +12

      You can tell that he's trying his hardest not to bring in his own political views lol. It's definitely the best strategy for his brand and his future, but I'm still curious as to what he actually thinks 😂

  • @charlesbcraig
    @charlesbcraig Před rokem +56

    Glad you brought up the true purpose of the algorithm. Overheard my friend’s “influencer strategy team” speak so much ignorance on how this stuff works…it’s amazing these people get paid for knowing so little.

    • @xWingzTV
      @xWingzTV Před rokem

      who’s your friend?

    • @charlesbcraig
      @charlesbcraig Před rokem

      @@xWingzTV CZcamsr. 10mill followers. If you don’t believe me that’s fine, but I ain’t droppin names. Though, I was in the background of her latest vlog :)

    • @blablablaa14
      @blablablaa14 Před rokem

      @@charlesbcraig Wait but what did they say?

    • @charlesbcraig
      @charlesbcraig Před rokem +1

      @@blablablaa14 that’s the thing, literally nothing of substance. The phrase “I think that’s how it works” and then laughter, was used

    • @Elgringo2180
      @Elgringo2180 Před rokem

      So you’re saying it’s not possible to control or influence the algorithm? … oh silly child

  • @humpteedumptee8629
    @humpteedumptee8629 Před rokem +1

    my phone automatically goes to shorts. and its pretty nice. it does lead to you looking up longer format to see the context. its lead to me checking out a few comedians and podcast. the issue with shorts is it works really good with shock, and quick jokes. but its not able to relay quality information.
    and they definitely feed fake views. its literally one of the main points of brigading. people do it all the time. akaash has the best input though "your saying suppose to a lot".

  • @vshekar
    @vshekar Před rokem +3

    Never thought I’d see these guys together.

  • @thedarkdade
    @thedarkdade Před rokem +3

    I am seriously amazed at the people willing to install TIK TOK and agree to the privacy terms .

  • @KingKarolus222
    @KingKarolus222 Před rokem +2

    difference between TikTok and YT Shorts in my personal experience is that the majority of Shorts I come across and enjoy are clips of longer videos where TikTok is more original content.

  • @brandonvalverde736
    @brandonvalverde736 Před rokem +1

    They definitely open with shorts sometimes and I'm into the change of pace. You can't just back out and go to regular CZcams

  • @SomethingSomewhereJustOnce

    MKBHD also predicted that IGTV will become a big competitor for CZcams.

  • @jazilzaim
    @jazilzaim Před rokem +8

    Amazing talk! Personally I think CZcams will really win against Tik Tok once the ad monetization features come out next year. I have been wanting to see competition in this market for quite some time these days.

  • @R.Andrew18
    @R.Andrew18 Před rokem +2

    Love this guy, simplifies the technology scene with ease.

  • @pabloquijadasalazar7507

    7:00 I think we figured you did, but you made us realize what could be happening behind our backs.

  • @alefaiden5704
    @alefaiden5704 Před rokem +1

    I think shorts are going to dominate because it will make the transition to the longer length vídeo better if you really get curious about the subject on the shorts

  • @LemoreWilliams
    @LemoreWilliams Před rokem

    The audio in this video is so lovely it's so good listening to it

  • @JackEstacio
    @JackEstacio Před rokem

    This is on the top of my feed then Shorts right below it.

  • @theuzlivid
    @theuzlivid Před rokem +1

    3:00 seeing other people in the same room took me off guard 🤣

  • @kristjanveski
    @kristjanveski Před rokem +2

    Doubt that. I love CZcams for long form videos but actively skip the shorts. The shorts that end up on CZcams, Facebook, and Instagram, are typically the worst of the worst on TikTok. TikTok has its place and its dedicated followers, same with the others. Trying to homogenize everything never works.

  • @____0____
    @____0____ Před rokem +2

    I found CZcams about 10 years ago, created my account not long after. It quickly became a major source of content for me and that has not changed.

  • @arcaaaaaane
    @arcaaaaaane Před rokem +3

    I’m not sure how the monetizing works on either platform, but I suspect the one that can generate more money for their creators will win.

    • @ravitejaknts
      @ravitejaknts Před rokem

      It's CZcams. They somehow pay more for the creators to a point many people keep it as their only source of revenue and even hire people to get the job done. Other platforms are just social media at best.

  • @jon3113
    @jon3113 Před rokem +4

    Kill Tony does 60 seconds and it works. Its great for introducing new folks content or as a teaser. For established comedians it may not be enough, but for newbies its perfect.

  • @Man64U
    @Man64U Před rokem +2

    The youtube app does sometimes open directly to shorts now!

  • @TheDenno91
    @TheDenno91 Před rokem

    I like the concept and also the name shorts over TikTok

  • @blablablaa14
    @blablablaa14 Před rokem

    The thing for me is that I rarely use CZcams on my phone. Just my desktop. So its weird to see shorts on a desktop relative to tik tok which most people use on the phone

  • @Flikey
    @Flikey Před rokem +2

    CZcams Shorts is going to eat them all up.

  • @xanderoptik
    @xanderoptik Před rokem +11

    youtube shorts algorithm is trash as it currently stands. the dislike button and don't recommend this channel option are not functional at this time so you get the same shorts you don't want to see thrown at you over and over again.

  • @jeremybarlow2291
    @jeremybarlow2291 Před rokem +2

    Unless CZcams creates a standalone shorts app. TikTok will eat CZcams for lunch in the vertical video space.

  • @plymakkayestudio1827
    @plymakkayestudio1827 Před rokem +1

    MKBHD is the best. Glad to have him on your podcast

  • @FelixHuray
    @FelixHuray Před rokem

    In indonesia. TikTok allows you to monetize by livestream gifts. And affiliate links and now TikTok also behave like e-commerce. You can buy stuff from TikTok directly

  • @meadecountylocal
    @meadecountylocal Před rokem

    Great conversation

  • @maxgordon9022
    @maxgordon9022 Před rokem +1

    They open shorts for me if I was watching shorts when I last used CZcams.

  • @sambathsan4886
    @sambathsan4886 Před rokem +4

    This sounds similar to when people were sure google+ was going to dominate Facebook.
    It’s going to be very hard for people to switch platforms when the user interface for TikTok is so simple and the reach it provides is more valuable than the rev share.

    • @Elgringo2180
      @Elgringo2180 Před rokem +1

      Very different. Tik tok doesn’t have that moat. CZcams and/or FB can quickly take their market share.

    • @stacin821
      @stacin821 Před rokem

      If tiktok isn't paying then youtube has a chance

    • @sambathsan4886
      @sambathsan4886 Před rokem

      Only scenario I see TikTok losing to CZcams is they get banned in the west.

  • @meh6930
    @meh6930 Před rokem

    If you close the app when watching a short, the next time you open the app it’s playing a new short, not the menu they mentioned here.

  • @EwanLim
    @EwanLim Před rokem

    5:15 oh youtube is already doing that for me at least, when i am on mobile and not connected to wifi then as soon as I open the app, it opens short. When I'm on wifi then it is the normal video stuff. Which is great.

  • @MikeDeezy_100
    @MikeDeezy_100 Před rokem +4

    Definitely didn't have MKBHD being on Flagrant on my bingo card 🔥

  • @tomstreet3308
    @tomstreet3308 Před rokem

    I found you guys because of shorts and it led to the full podcast

  • @Winged_Snek
    @Winged_Snek Před rokem +1

    CZcams shorts will NOT destroy TikTok until they fix the half-assed way they implemented it. On Mobile you can't scroll through the time, you just have to watch every single short in full again if there was a specific thing you wanted to see, or if you missed a detail you thought you cared about you'd have to get back there again, no volume control whatsoever just mute or unmute, and for some weird reason on PC shorts volume is generally lower than videos volume. All they did was slap together a format and hoped it works and since have made 0 efforts to improve the experience, oh- besides monetizing it of course.

  • @khalilhines9598
    @khalilhines9598 Před rokem

    What I’ve noticed with CZcams videos vs shorts is that sometimes a video can be 10 minutes long and have the same amount of information as a 30 second short

  • @yorch802
    @yorch802 Před rokem

    You can make youtube redirrect all shorts to normal youtube with browser extensions.

  • @bunnyteeth365
    @bunnyteeth365 Před rokem +1

    I don't really watch youtube on my phone because of how long the videos are and the non-stop ads. I prefer watching on my computer. I like tiktok because the ads are skippable and the algorithm is better.

  • @pk_Consistent
    @pk_Consistent Před rokem

    I love CZcams shorts, can’t wait to see your next shorts

  • @allanzeus
    @allanzeus Před rokem

    That was a good discussion.

  • @twentysix1230
    @twentysix1230 Před rokem

    Absolutely agree

  • @Smith.S.sStocHasticSs

    yeah but tik tok does all your editing for you and has sooo many creative tools to use for free. I only have tik tok for the ability to make cool animated collages and the digital makeup and special effects like snap chat-only reason I have snapshot. Instagram and CZcams are seriously bombing in that department. and it's really hard to clip stuff.

  • @ranndino
    @ranndino Před rokem +1

    Two of my favorite people in the same room! When CZcams recommended this I almost fell off the couch. Going to watch them all.
    P.S. Notice how careful MKBHD was answering controversial questions about China 😂. You could see him processing in his mind how to reply. Tons of the products on his channel are from Chinese companies. Mostly phones.

  • @Smith.S.sStocHasticSs

    yeah it sucks when shorts don't have the link 2 the full video

  • @EndlessTravels
    @EndlessTravels Před rokem +2

    A Shorts app from YT as it only shows shorts would be an interesting idea but also could be to many apps, we already have studio, YT itself, and music..but really what's a 4th saying TikTok is kind of a 4th already
    Just thinking out loud but that would be kind of cool?

  • @prico3358
    @prico3358 Před rokem +4

    This is all about respect bro..
    Andrew and the boys act different with the pauls and mr beast.. than someone like mb

  • @benlow5537
    @benlow5537 Před rokem +23

    What makes tiktok better is you get to see normal people with far less curated, monetized, and commercialized content. people being able to socialize about real life. That was the whole point of social media in the first place.
    CZcams shorts are full of financial gurus, fake courses, interviews of celebrities, hustle culture.

    • @micahldixon
      @micahldixon Před rokem +10

      If that’s what you’re seeing, then that’s what you fed the algorithm.

    • @mitchelljack1590
      @mitchelljack1590 Před rokem +1

      The whole point of social media was to make money.. absolutely nothing else to it

    • @BenCaesar
      @BenCaesar Před rokem

      My tiktok feeds really bad 😂and I find it cringy. I think you have to curate feeds I honestly haven't found creators I like on tiktok so it keeps me off it.
      If youtube continues to nurture creators tiktok just can't match the value youtube brings longer term

  • @justinsimmons1738
    @justinsimmons1738 Před rokem +1

    My CZcams Shorts already open as soon as I open CZcams. It has for a while now, and its pretty annoying.
    Its wild because it works tho. Id open CZcams to watch how to, idk, fold a fitted sheet or something. But being shorts open first, Ik the video is short, id watch it, then just start scrolling through the shorts feed. Then after about 10 minutes of watching shorts, im like, "wait... Wtf was I here for in the first place?"

  • @macosbyanthony896
    @macosbyanthony896 Před rokem

    I'm just not bored watching this. Beautiful.

  • @SovereignMoney
    @SovereignMoney Před rokem +1

    If you close the app watching shorts, it will auto play shorts when you open it back up.

  • @ebeyslough
    @ebeyslough Před rokem +6

    MKBHD is tight with CZcams execs and gets paid a lot by them. Not taking his words on TikTok competition too seriously.

  • @MnM008
    @MnM008 Před rokem +2

    Imagine if youtube has an udemy like edu page inside youtube

  • @Truth888
    @Truth888 Před rokem

    CZcams is Rakim/Jordan 1988. 20 years ahead of the “game”.

  • @Aurossa
    @Aurossa Před rokem +2

    I like the choice. I like that I get to select shorts from George rr Martin to parenting tips. I don’t want YT to force me to watch what they want

  • @mashu1766
    @mashu1766 Před rokem

    Sauron just keeps on giving out these rings of power.

  • @MinuteMon
    @MinuteMon Před rokem +2

    I went to a YT short event here in NYC and got a Fanny pack that says “Shorts” and I can’t tell you how many times people have said “pants” to me when I use it 😂

  • @kenny0626
    @kenny0626 Před rokem

    Shorts (TikTok) is like club and long form CZcams is more like library. It serves different purpose for different people, at least for me.

  • @Emulation_Inflation
    @Emulation_Inflation Před rokem

    Yep

  • @donaldberry5044
    @donaldberry5044 Před rokem +1

    Right now tiktok is trying to become a search engine

  • @HELLEKSONART
    @HELLEKSONART Před rokem

    "Supposed to"

  • @SCORZY
    @SCORZY Před rokem

    CZcams will always be the best. It’s the only video platform I use and can’t see that changing…

  • @lmcoolk12
    @lmcoolk12 Před rokem

    sometimes I open my youtube app and it goes straight to shorts.

  • @banuraismail
    @banuraismail Před rokem

    If saving video is instant then they will

  • @telzmomo
    @telzmomo Před rokem +1

    I think Yotubers will eventually get a button that says "enable AI generated shorts" and CZcams auto generates shorts based on your regular uploads.

  • @arshammirshah
    @arshammirshah Před rokem

    YT mobile app IS actually opening on Shorts. Half the time I open the app it starts on shorts. Other half is home screen. Maybe they're testing it.

  • @losisd3ad
    @losisd3ad Před rokem +3

    guy in the green jacket has no idea what he's talking about when he's talking about china LOL

  • @TheWeekendInvestor
    @TheWeekendInvestor Před rokem +2

    Bullish on CZcams Stock

  • @TomRoyce
    @TomRoyce Před rokem +4

    Marques got nervous when the guy's talk started the Chinese influence on TikTok and the potential motivations of a Communist state vs. a Capitalist state. He does not want a shadow ban on his livelihood.

  • @ernestziegenfelder9962

    CZcams opens shorts on your phone automatically if you were watching shorts when you closed the app last

  • @Younex
    @Younex Před rokem

    05:37 i swear that I've seen that Dracarys more then 10 times 😅

  • @jrearena
    @jrearena Před rokem

    Shorts ✨

  • @jjseluk
    @jjseluk Před rokem +2

    Andrew talking about this stuff in a serious tone is just as good when he’s trying to be funny constantly. Also all of this discussion is certified gold

  • @chrisent.7362
    @chrisent.7362 Před rokem

    🔥 interviews as of late

  • @mrpablomx
    @mrpablomx Před rokem

    MK should’ve been a Pianist… damn hands are HUGE

  • @jay59811
    @jay59811 Před rokem

    This was very informative

  • @seanbouker
    @seanbouker Před rokem

    When I open my CZcams app a short automatically starts playing

  • @BigChrisENT
    @BigChrisENT Před rokem

    Marques will be a great politician one day!

  • @snitox
    @snitox Před rokem +3

    Nah I think TikTok is where new creators are going to be created. CZcams is where new creators would scale and make the money.

    • @Skrenja
      @Skrenja Před rokem

      TikTok is way friendlier to new creators. It reminds me of what CZcams used to be like. Now on CZcams it's usually just the rich getting richer.

  • @saxtant
    @saxtant Před rokem

    Shorts, still buggy. Often just freezes before playback. I don't use tik tok, but shorts need to work properly, it's 2022.

  • @JohnnyB.
    @JohnnyB. Před rokem +1

    It seems like Shorts is like mini-advertising for long-form videos! Also, If you LEAVE the app while in Shorts mode, it will auto-open Shorts again next time you open CZcams! Same with long-form content. Great podcast yall!

  • @fideladame31
    @fideladame31 Před rokem

    Hopefully

  • @PaulsYouTube
    @PaulsYouTube Před rokem +15

    TikTok algorithms can be easily curated to deliver your interests rather quickly. I was learning a lot and discovered a lot of great recipes. It was so addicting that I had to quit - privacy concerns too. CZcams shorts seem very narrow in what they present to me. For some reason, I get foreign videos in my CZcams feed regularly. CZcams's algorithm is not as polished. Maybe it because what Marques said, TikTok will willing to show you things to see if they hook. I don't feel addicted to Shorts like I did with TikTok.

    • @criticalfallacy
      @criticalfallacy Před rokem

      TikTok's algorithm is designed to show you things that *you* want to see. CZcams's algorithm is designed to pigeonhole you into proven marketable video funnels. It's why CZcams can *not* compete with TikTok head to head.

    • @juanok2775
      @juanok2775 Před rokem

      TikTok algo is better

    • @akay_2
      @akay_2 Před rokem

      Social Media addiction is something to be avoided for obvious reasons. An algorithm that helps you control your own consumption is much better

  • @wayfairing_soul
    @wayfairing_soul Před rokem +1

    The main reason I don't use Shorts is because I don't have a lot of friends who have CZcams accounts, however, all of my friends and family are on TikTok. So, I can share and receive TikToks with/from my people. That level of interaction is missing for me on Shorts. And the name. The name is so bad. LOL

  • @n00n1n
    @n00n1n Před rokem +1

    If you're an American you should be using CZcams shorts and not Chinese tiktok. The only thing with CZcams shorts is the user interface isn't great and you can't fast forward or rewind which is absolutely infuriating

  • @uriels4097
    @uriels4097 Před rokem +1

    to me Short really look like something to make a "career" while tiktok is more "fun" kinda vine, even if you're a no name you can go viral, not the same with short