Speaking of the human body - "... *we are not created for any grander purpose other than the mosquito*..." This certainly goes to the root of the (mind) tree with an axe. Tho first reaction may be resistance - yet by being open - by stepping back & yet back again, taking in a vaster perspective at one glance - it can be seen this way. We tend to elevate the human _at the expense of_ other elements in creation. We can really get screwed up via comparing things - _any_ things - for that's surely the work of mind, & also linear. Yet if we'd _truly_ heard one of his first lines here, we wouldn't be comparing anything - we'd know it's all just one, that no-thing can be separate. Separation is an illusion of mind. U.G.'s perspective is so very vast. I can see, now, that mind's resistance to this is what kept me from hearing him. So very vast. Seeing this way is as a death - the death of so many beliefs - beliefs that mind mistook as identity.
LOL - Sorry, I don't indulge in such things. ;) It's all one, you know - or perhaps you know - so the mosquito is every bit the manifestation of Source that we are. Even made of the same 99.9999999% empty atoms in this hologram where nothing is as it appears :D ~♥~
Oh well - I injoy having a flexible perspective - looking at things from m/any angle(s). Mind pretzels are fun, such as the Sufi saying, "These eyes thru which I hoped to see God are the eyes thru which God sees me." It's such fun, getting the rug pulled out from under (mind/ego). UG is exceptional that way. ~♥~
''we are not created for any grander purpose other than the mosquito''........ My question is what is that purpose we assume we have to fulfill.? if there were a purpose at all ,with our SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE on this planet we would definitely know. Is'nt it.?....IF HUMAN EXISTENCE HAS TO HAVE A PURPOSE, IT ALREADY HAS IN LIVING & DOING.? the 'purpose' of creation in my opinion is to transform the material & the physical to spiritual & non-existential. what i mean is that, every physical body reaches the spiritual dimension after it ceases to exist.? for example, take the simple example of an APPLE. what is the purpose of the apple.?... to satiate itself by serving someone, so that it provides sustenance to someone & culminates its purpose. likewise a HUMAN BEING serves his own kind in whatever way possible, consummates his life of servitude & ceases to exist physically, thus transforming himself into non-entity...that is to get subsumed in a spiritual dimension of worldly servitude.? THE PURPOSE OF A MOSQUITO ALSO FALLS WITHIN THIS DEFINITION, THOUGH DIFFERENTLY....it 'sucks' the blood of its victim infuses some infection & calls it a day by feeding itself. that is the purpose of the mosquito...not beyond it. it cannot do any different, because the very purpose with which it is created is to 'bite' a victim & thus fulfill its ordained purpose.?
Just fantastic. Chrystel clear! “The organism has definite potentialities, and because it has them it has the need to actualize or realize them. The fulfillment of these needs represents the self-actualization of the organism” (Goldstein, 1934). And, self-actualization, self-realization or self-fulfillment -- fulfilling all our organismic needs and wants -- is what can be termed as "happiness". And if we do find this "happiness", we become another UG. My two bits ;)
Is happiness attained via deeds different then happiness attained via thoughts? I guess it depends on the parameters, UG always makes me realize I don't know shit regardless of the amount of math I throw at the problem. Our solutions create more problems then they solve in the long run and the cycles repeat. Love em.
I see it as happiness doesn't exist it is a word to describe action and emotion which is really only energy which can't be permanent because happiness to a killer is not happiness to you happiness can't exist only based on what you perceive it as
the mosquito comparison directly attacks the experiencer as to experience of a man has no more value than that of a mosquito which is based on knowledge in the cells of both.
change is an absolute necessary. For whom can see the world as it is, there is no another issue for human being. Human Being Must Radically Change. That is an Obvious Fact.
kourosh Haas That demand for change is what is causing the apparent need for change. Is a dog trying to be anything other than what it is? And remember a dog is only a dog because that is what we labeled it through the use of thought. An obvious fact? To who? Where? On what authority?
Ferdinand Alexander Sir, obviously the "Outward" demand for change bring about all kind of charlatanisms and disorder. Change can never be Outwardly but inwardly. So" what we are" must be understood and be faced, then changer will be there. You are quite right Sir: A dog is not dominated by the thought, A dog is not under the control of thought and desire. So, a dog doesn't Destroy Or Kill His Similar. A Dog lives and dies in absolute Order with nature. Best Regards.
kourosh Haas "you" as you know yourself cannot separate from thought so anything "we" say about animals is pure speculation. Apparently there were dogs before the word "dog". What are they? I really don't know.
Ferdinand Alexander Obviously Sir, The words are thought. One cannot think without words and images. No? separate from thought is another illusion of thought Sir, "Me" and "thought" are the same thing Sir, isn't it so? i am my thought. Find it out sir, digging to it sir. Best regards.
I really know nothing. Even saying you are thought is rooted in thought. What is thought? The answer is rooted in thought. I don't know. "One cannot think without words and images"? Is there one thinking? Have "you" as you know yourself ever had a thought that was entirely all your own? Have you ever had an experience you could call your own? Thought itself could be nothing more than a neurological defect. I don't know. Thought is division. Thought is that which separates you from the life around you. In the absence of thought there is no you and thus no separation. It seems thought is necessary to live in the reality that is imposed on us but thought is also out of control. It has allowed human beings to progress but perhaps ultimately we are progressing toward extinction.
@17:32 Wow, understanding or relationship always happens with previous understanding with previous knowledge collection so no relationship and no understanding is possible with the instrument that we use. And there is no other instrument. If that is understood then there is no need to understand anymore anything. Throwaway all the understandings and the collected knowledge. @19:14 UG said there is no consciousness and no I. Your I comes out of your knowledge. When Knowledge goes I consciousness goes and you are doomed to live like UG. You don’t want that do you? Stop wasting time on understanding this conceptual crap .
Such wonderful talk. So, condensed. Thank you.
Speaking of the human body - "... *we are not created for any grander purpose other than the mosquito*..." This certainly goes to the root of the (mind) tree with an axe. Tho first reaction may be resistance - yet by being open - by stepping back & yet back again, taking in a vaster perspective at one glance - it can be seen this way.
We tend to elevate the human _at the expense of_ other elements in creation. We can really get screwed up via comparing things - _any_ things - for that's surely the work of mind, & also linear. Yet if we'd _truly_ heard one of his first lines here, we wouldn't be comparing anything - we'd know it's all just one, that no-thing can be separate. Separation is an illusion of mind.
U.G.'s perspective is so very vast. I can see, now, that mind's resistance to this is what kept me from hearing him. So very vast. Seeing this way is as a death - the death of so many beliefs - beliefs that mind mistook as identity.
LOL - Sorry, I don't indulge in such things. ;)
It's all one, you know - or perhaps you know - so the mosquito is every bit the manifestation of Source that we are. Even made of the same 99.9999999% empty atoms in this hologram where nothing is as it appears :D
~♥~
Oh well - I injoy having a flexible perspective - looking at things from
m/any angle(s). Mind pretzels are fun, such as the Sufi saying, "These eyes thru which I hoped to see God are the eyes thru which God sees me." It's such fun, getting the rug pulled out from under (mind/ego). UG is exceptional that way.
~♥~
Sounds pretty enlightened to me :D
~♥~
But at the same time, if one puts oneself below a mosquito it shows they didn't really get the point
''we are not created for any grander purpose other than the mosquito''........ My question is what is that purpose we assume we have to fulfill.? if there were a purpose at all ,with our SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE on this planet we would definitely know. Is'nt it.?....IF HUMAN EXISTENCE HAS TO HAVE A PURPOSE, IT ALREADY HAS IN LIVING & DOING.? the 'purpose' of creation in my opinion is to transform the material & the physical to spiritual & non-existential. what i mean is that, every physical body reaches the spiritual dimension after it ceases to exist.? for example, take the simple example of an APPLE. what is the purpose of the apple.?... to satiate itself by serving someone, so that it provides sustenance to someone & culminates its purpose. likewise a HUMAN BEING serves his own kind in whatever way possible, consummates his life of servitude & ceases to exist physically, thus transforming himself into non-entity...that is to get subsumed in a spiritual dimension of worldly servitude.? THE PURPOSE OF A MOSQUITO ALSO FALLS WITHIN THIS DEFINITION, THOUGH DIFFERENTLY....it 'sucks' the blood of its victim infuses some infection & calls it a day by feeding itself. that is the purpose of the mosquito...not beyond it. it cannot do any different, because the very purpose with which it is created is to 'bite' a victim & thus fulfill its ordained purpose.?
Just fantastic. Chrystel clear!
“The organism has definite potentialities, and because it has them it has the need to actualize or realize them. The fulfillment of these needs represents the self-actualization of the organism” (Goldstein, 1934). And, self-actualization, self-realization or self-fulfillment -- fulfilling all our organismic needs and wants -- is what can be termed as "happiness". And if we do find this "happiness", we become another UG.
My two bits ;)
He’d say that whoever said that was an idiot and that his words have no meaning “AT ALL” lol
I loved this conversation.
Every explanation he made here was clear, directed to it's target. Breaking illusions, leaving people naked.
when ug talk don't question
ug is the ug
Thanks
Is happiness attained via deeds different then happiness attained via thoughts?
I guess it depends on the parameters, UG always makes me realize I don't know shit regardless of the amount of math I throw at the problem. Our solutions create more problems then they solve in the long run and the cycles repeat.
Love em.
I see it as happiness doesn't exist it is a word to describe action and emotion which is really only energy which can't be permanent because happiness to a killer is not happiness to you happiness can't exist only based on what you perceive it as
the mosquito comparison directly attacks the experiencer as to experience of a man has no more value than that of a mosquito which is based on knowledge in the cells of both.
Pair Hai Lal Production more or less is not the question. It's the same consciousness. Which means it just is. Of even that one does not know.
i have done the best we can
ug is the real lion from South not India
reshuffle is is the only words
mother is not monster 👍👍👍😢😢😢😊
🍏🍏🍏🍏🍏🍏🍏🍏
from South Asia
ug on
A human koan.
change is an absolute necessary. For whom can see the world as it is, there is no another issue for human being.
Human Being Must Radically Change.
That is an Obvious Fact.
kourosh Haas That demand for change is what is causing the apparent need for change. Is a dog trying to be anything other than what it is? And remember a dog is only a dog because that is what we labeled it through the use of thought. An obvious fact? To who? Where? On what authority?
Ferdinand Alexander Sir, obviously the "Outward" demand for change bring about all kind of charlatanisms and disorder.
Change can never be Outwardly but inwardly.
So" what we are" must be understood and be faced, then changer will be there.
You are quite right Sir: A dog is not dominated by the thought, A dog is not under the control of thought and desire.
So, a dog doesn't Destroy Or Kill His Similar.
A Dog lives and dies in absolute Order with nature.
Best Regards.
kourosh Haas "you" as you know yourself cannot separate from thought so anything "we" say about animals is pure speculation. Apparently there were dogs before the word "dog". What are they? I really don't know.
Ferdinand Alexander Obviously Sir, The words are thought. One cannot think without words and images. No?
separate from thought is another illusion of thought Sir, "Me" and "thought" are the same thing Sir, isn't it so?
i am my thought.
Find it out sir, digging to it sir.
Best regards.
I really know nothing. Even saying you are thought is rooted in thought. What is thought? The answer is rooted in thought. I don't know. "One cannot think without words and images"? Is there one thinking? Have "you" as you know yourself ever had a thought that was entirely all your own? Have you ever had an experience you could call your own? Thought itself could be nothing more than a neurological defect. I don't know. Thought is division. Thought is that which separates you from the life around you. In the absence of thought there is no you and thus no separation. It seems thought is necessary to live in the reality that is imposed on us but thought is also out of control. It has allowed human beings to progress but perhaps ultimately we are progressing toward extinction.
no budy understand Mr ugkrishnamurti
@17:32 Wow, understanding or relationship always happens with previous understanding with previous knowledge collection so no relationship and no understanding is possible with the instrument that we use. And there is no other instrument.
If that is understood then there is no need to understand anymore anything. Throwaway all the understandings and the collected knowledge.
@19:14 UG said there is no consciousness and no I. Your I comes out of your knowledge. When Knowledge goes I consciousness goes and you are doomed to live like UG. You don’t want that do you? Stop wasting time on understanding this conceptual crap .
quit tru is nothing for ug