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  • In the video Jenn and I simplify the succession planting process so you can create your own plan. #flower #farm
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  • @marilynmomentsboven8245
    @marilynmomentsboven8245 Před 2 lety +3

    Thank you for keeping it simple and direct. So many youtubers chatter on endlessly before getting to the point. You two minimize the useless gab and I really appreciate it..

  • @DalhiaSun
    @DalhiaSun Před 3 lety +9

    She’s beautiful. Love her soft soothing voice.

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      @josepeter155 Před 2 lety

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      @jordanrodney3653 Před 2 lety

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    • @josepeter155
      @josepeter155 Před 2 lety

      @Jordan Rodney glad I could help =)

  • @janedoe3095
    @janedoe3095 Před 2 lety +1

    I won’t ever start a flower garden although this next year, my first year on my retirement homestead I am planning more flowers than I have ever grown. I find watching flower farm videos provides me an education since I know so little. Most flowers I don’t know the names of at this time so i am always eager to see what the flower looks like so I can start associating the name with the flowers. While you give very good information you don’t show a lot of flowers/varieties for us novices.
    Obviously, since your videos seem more on the successful business practices this probably isn’t a biggie but I bet there are some novices out there who would like to entertain the idea of farming.

  • @pinkycat2484
    @pinkycat2484 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm inspired

  • @ruthdennison4513
    @ruthdennison4513 Před 2 lety

    LOL "Whats up everybody"...I am still chuckling...great impression

  • @bettyreed2469
    @bettyreed2469 Před 3 lety +6

    Such great information, exactly what I was looking for. I’m in 7b, so I’ll probably move that schedule up about a month. You’re both very good at teaching, everything is very easy to understand. Loved the outtakes, you too are so cute!

  • @user-qs5jn9pu6n
    @user-qs5jn9pu6n Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks so much for the good information

  • @SKPutz
    @SKPutz Před měsícem

    Just rewatching for the 3rd time.
    Question for Adam: what do you use to plant your sunflower successions? We have a tractor, but have been using an Earthway seeder because we are inly doing about five 100ft rows at a time, but we arent happy with the seed drops using the recommended corn plate.
    LOVE all your videos. So informative without extraneous chatter so many flower farmers add. Right to the point!

  • @MallouMakeup
    @MallouMakeup Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for all the great content lately!

  • @cbak1819
    @cbak1819 Před 6 měsíci

    What a lovely couple. Loads of info on this video. Great idea about watering and evening planting. My first year succession planing and planting to a bigger degree in my yard raised bed garden. Perfect timing, I was getting so confused. Pest and disease pressure was a issue and I was about to "throw in the towel". I'm not alone🎉 what a relief..
    May God bless you and shine his face upon you.

  • @chelseacrockett4047
    @chelseacrockett4047 Před 3 lety +4

    Thank you for the great video! I am a first time flower farmer this year and this was really helpful!

  • @cassandraberger9146
    @cassandraberger9146 Před 3 lety +2

    Love Adam’s enthusiastic intro! 🥸😆
    Awesome advice & ideas! Postage stamp garden here! 😎

  • @karenm5681
    @karenm5681 Před 3 lety

    Loved it!

  • @blackberryhillfarm941
    @blackberryhillfarm941 Před 3 lety

    Super helpful ! Thank you!

  • @laurieclarkson9180
    @laurieclarkson9180 Před 2 lety

    You guys are always so helpful! Thank you!

  • @nataliajuarez5708
    @nataliajuarez5708 Před 3 lety

    👏🏻 soooo exciting !

  • @dieynabadiop87
    @dieynabadiop87 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for this video, it’s so helpful!

  • @karenlopez5441
    @karenlopez5441 Před 3 lety

    And thanks for this video! You guys are great and super helpful!

  • @nikkikennedy551
    @nikkikennedy551 Před 2 lety

    This was great and so helpful!

  • @skinnursern5852
    @skinnursern5852 Před 3 lety +1

    Love you two. Very clear. Thank you!

  • @elenarepka
    @elenarepka Před 3 lety

    I took notes! Thank you for demystifying flower farming. :)

  • @ElderandOakFarm
    @ElderandOakFarm Před 3 lety

    Thanks for sharing! Very helpful!

  • @mayfieldmanor5344
    @mayfieldmanor5344 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for a very informative video! You guys make a great team!

  • @jeannet9592
    @jeannet9592 Před 3 lety

    Helpful information with a dose of humor. Thank you!

  • @christineboyko4106
    @christineboyko4106 Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you guys... so much good info! And so appreciate the bloopers! So real! So cute!

  • @zolacrofoot4944
    @zolacrofoot4944 Před 3 lety +1

    never thought of the 2 week interval plan. Great ideas, Keep it coming.

  • @SansBFDI
    @SansBFDI Před 2 lety +1

    You guys are so cute!🤣🤣

  • @paulineewert7492
    @paulineewert7492 Před 3 lety

    Im very thankful that you share your info and journey. Learning lots!

  • @patti4070
    @patti4070 Před rokem +1

    This will be my first year succession planting and this was super helpful! Thank you.
    I’m
    Starting out slow in my yard using the time as my learning process.
    Hope to eventually move to a place with a little bit more space.

  • @tamisauer2402
    @tamisauer2402 Před 2 lety

    Thank you so much for the great information. It was very easy to follow along!

  • @OldReddingFarm
    @OldReddingFarm Před 3 lety +2

    loved the bloops

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety

      Thanks. Looking forward to the green. We’re going to make time, rain or shine!

  • @jakiwillmer8240
    @jakiwillmer8240 Před 2 lety +1

    Oh my Gosh, I have just found you guys on CZcams. Where have you been all my life! I have just started down this growing flowers road and my head is spinning. The hardest thing for me is trying to translate US seasons into mine because I'm in Australia. Also everyone uses fahrenheit and we have celsius :) I LOVE LOVE LOVE your videos, thank you so much for being so generous with your experience and knowledge...now, back to binge watching your channel :)))))))

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you! Looks like your about to hit spring there!

  • @NicolesGardenNS
    @NicolesGardenNS Před 2 lety

    Love you guys! Bloopers are awesome. Hope the cleanup in going well for you!!

  • @janbarker6373
    @janbarker6373 Před 3 lety

    You two are cute! Thanks for the video. Happy gardening to you too.

  • @susancoffman6516
    @susancoffman6516 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the timely information on succession planting. .

  • @wildbirdfarm
    @wildbirdfarm Před 3 lety

    Great tips on succession planting and thanks for stressing the importance of that last one in July! Also love the bloopers 😁

  • @pyt1010
    @pyt1010 Před 3 lety

    That intro made me smile so big 😁. It was so cute. I just found your channel and I think I might have to binge watch a few videos.

  • @ianxtreem
    @ianxtreem Před 3 lety

    You guys are great and inspiring to my wife and I. We are in Alabama and are just starting our flower farm journey. Thank you and god bless you!

  • @lisafeck1537
    @lisafeck1537 Před 2 lety

    You are agreat team, love your way together. The idea of waiting until the last light of day, in the heat of the summer, and watering before planting, works. Brilliant idea. Thank you.

  • @ShannasCountryCreek
    @ShannasCountryCreek Před 3 lety +1

    Found your channel 2nght in my feed. Assuming from watching starting flower farming. So inspired by you both and love how you share your valuable information with us. Would love to visit your farm someday. We have recently moved & upgraded to more land a year ago. Hubby and I are enjoying the inherited garden here. I played with a small patch of Zinnias, Cosmos, sunflowers, chamomile, and soon to start a medicinal herb garden. Roses have always been my favorite, but finding new loves with other types of flowers too. The property has so much potential, but we are both going with the flow until we feel what is going to work here. Enjoying learning more from your channel. Thank you both♥️ Hugs from Texas🥰💐🌹💐🌹💐🌻🌻🌻💞💞💞

  • @suezacarias6682
    @suezacarias6682 Před 3 lety

    I learn so much from you guys... thank you

  • @kristaself126
    @kristaself126 Před 3 lety

    I’m so glad I found y’all on CZcams a few months ago. Looking forward to watching your garden grow.

  • @connorevery5451
    @connorevery5451 Před 3 lety +1

    You two are awesome! Your kind warm, gentle, vibes make this tricky topic more tangible! Thank you for sharing your plan. Greetings from Milwaukee! New grower here renting a 1/4 acre

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety

      Thanks so much! Best of luck with your growing year!

  • @ShannasCountryCreek
    @ShannasCountryCreek Před rokem

    Excellent video!!! Thank you both! I am on my 3rd year dabbling with flowers. We are preparing the garden now and I am super motivated to focus on succession planting this year. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge 🌱🙌💃🏻🥰🩵 Happy planting 2023❣️

  • @madonnaschmid7707
    @madonnaschmid7707 Před 2 lety

    Premoistened soil...great idea!!! I am going to do this.Planting in zone 9b, it's soooo hot!

  • @crowleyhouseflowerfarm
    @crowleyhouseflowerfarm Před 3 lety +1

    Another great video! Succession planning can be so hard to get on the books and follow through. 🌼

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      Come September, we're always saying to ourselves, " Thank God we planted that last succession!"

  • @heikedeubner9073
    @heikedeubner9073 Před 7 měsíci

    Great overview, will try successions in the coming year. For July transplants, I find a few days with shade cloth help transition them out if the weather is hot and dry.

  • @amoore0713
    @amoore0713 Před 3 lety

    Very helpful video! And I like that your personalities are shining through more and more!🥰

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks! Slowly getting more comfortable in front of the camera

    • @amoore0713
      @amoore0713 Před 3 lety

      @@PepperHarrow its hard to start talking to a camera. So awkward!

  • @pjf883
    @pjf883 Před 3 lety +1

    Love it ! ❤ You guys are so helpful. You have inspired me so much I just have a 9 raised bed garden.Veg and Perennials. I have landscaped our just under half acre lot.But this yr. Im expanding my FLOWER GARDENS along the perimeter of the house ! and fenced in garden area.🌻🌿🌼 Thank you PS recieved my Lavender Salve etc . order everything was Wonderful !! ❤

  • @faryyusuf59
    @faryyusuf59 Před 2 lety

    Very informative, clear and easy to understand. Your videos are very inspiring. Though I don't have a backyard, I grow some heat loving annual flowers 🌺🌺 in my 100 square feet small balcony.
    (Throughout the year our temperature is 80 - 93 degrees Fahrenheit)

  • @cbak1819
    @cbak1819 Před 6 měsíci

    Do you have a cool season succession planing video?

  • @mkwats5375
    @mkwats5375 Před 3 lety +1

    Crazy helpful!!!! And my zone too. Love to hear more flowers you succession plant and their schedules. Snaps? China asters? Others? Could you share how hoop houses or caterpillar tunnels help you extend your season?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      We’ll work on putting together another video

  • @cameliaturda6472
    @cameliaturda6472 Před 2 lety

    💜

  • @ElderandOakFarm
    @ElderandOakFarm Před 3 lety

    Loved the blooper! You sound like me when I'm trying to film! 🤣

  • @carasbrennan
    @carasbrennan Před 3 lety

    thank you so much! planning out my first cutting garden up here in CANADA lol. I am in Cape Breton Zone 6b :)

    • @mienkedezoete2146
      @mienkedezoete2146 Před 3 lety +2

      me too, I'm in Ontario, zone 5, doing backyard raised beds. thanks for clarifying about ripping out old plants to replace with new seedlings

  • @gardengirl7446
    @gardengirl7446 Před 3 lety

    Great advice and a very cute couple. Adam reminds one of Luke Wilson ❤

  • @letsgrowlv
    @letsgrowlv Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you very much for the topic that is full of rich content
    Can I suggest if you can help us how to plant in space between space of each plant and spacing between after each rows that is kind of confusing for new grower like I am

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      We remove the old plants, till and plant a new row. The is a video on our page about planting mid season that shows the process

  • @gr8gardn
    @gr8gardn Před 2 lety

    You have given us the best start at succession planting EVER! Other than the 2-week schedule for sunflowers thru late summer AND the ones you noted to 2-week plant only in the spring, do the rest of the list follow the same monthly planting plan as zinnias, cosmos & celosia?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 2 lety +1

      For the most part. Snaps and Lisis are slow starters

  • @sonyamelzer
    @sonyamelzer Před 5 měsíci

    Great information! Very helpful! You mentioned a cool weather flower that I'm not familiar with. It sounded like you said "ah-me", lol. Were you referring Ammi majus? Thank you for your videos. I always learn so much!

  • @jules8164
    @jules8164 Před 3 lety +7

    Awesome video, finally some clarity on succession planting! I do have a question about when to rip out the old harvest? Do you rip everything out, then plant new succession and wait for that to bloom, or do you leave the old harvests and start the succession in a new row?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +16

      We rip them out and plant something new in the same spot 👍

    • @shawnafortin4752
      @shawnafortin4752 Před rokem

      Thank you for asking this!!! 👍

    • @kellyvoyles8611
      @kellyvoyles8611 Před rokem

      Thank you for asking this question. I have been searching for this answer. Yes! Now I understand the method entirely. I hope! 😂❤️

  • @jessicaiwerks5080
    @jessicaiwerks5080 Před 3 lety +1

    Do you guys direct sow anything or is all seedlings? awesome videos! thanks for the bloopers!

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      Haha! Glad you liked the bloops. We rarely direct seed, but do direct seed sunflowers and occasionally cosmos and zinnias.

  • @karenmurphy2950
    @karenmurphy2950 Před 3 lety +1

    Please do another video on succession seeding, I am trying but just not getting it!

  • @LoneWaffles
    @LoneWaffles Před 5 měsíci

    Do you remove the old flowers that will still produce some, for example, zinnias? Do you leave your beds empty to prepare for the new plantings, or are you clearing the old stock and planting new in the same beds?

  • @ginger76661
    @ginger76661 Před 3 lety

    Very good information.... I will defiantly apply this method. I don't know if I'll have enough seed, but will try. The last succession- JUly- the dill won't bolt?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety

      We haven’t had issues with it bolting, but even if it does, we love using the seed heads.

  • @joeschiavi9615
    @joeschiavi9615 Před 3 lety

    I requested this video but did not know I could learn this much, so thank you!
    I’m wondering how often and late in the season you plant snapdragons?
    Thanks 😊 Lauren

  • @petefredrick3784
    @petefredrick3784 Před 3 lety +1

    I just found you today, so excited! I love your videos. I saw in the one video you suggest landscape fabric to suppress weeds. So do you not do succession planting when you use the fabric? Do you pull the fabric up to ready the next planting. Or just plant in a bed that doesn't have the fabric on. I'm a brand new flower farmer on a 1/2 acre plot. Where do you buy your seeds? I've bought some through Johnny's and others but now that I've heard about succession planting I'm kicking myself that I didn't buy seeds in bulk.

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +4

      We pull the fabric, till, lay it back down, and plant another succession in it. We buy seeds via Johnny’s as well! Great quality. We also buy from Renee’s, Swallowtail, and Select Seeds.

    • @petefredrick3784
      @petefredrick3784 Před 3 lety

      @@PepperHarrowThanks!

  • @Crystalleannlouthan
    @Crystalleannlouthan Před 3 lety

    It would be nice to see your flowers, harvest during your videos, even snip its. Please

  • @angela_mariaenache2490

    You guys are amazing and beautiful together! I have a question for you. What flowers can be planted between the fruit trees in a orchard? Thanks

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      If you have sun between, you can plant anything. If its shady, hellebores and hydrangea are 2 good options

  • @lynnemalone284
    @lynnemalone284 Před 3 lety

    Awesome video. My problem is finding enough room to plant things so many times. Do you pull the current zennias up to plant the next round? Or do you plant them in another place?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +4

      We'll pull the current zinnias up but plant something else in its place to rotate crops. The next round of zinnias would be planted in another row that is getting pulled up

  • @vinvin1715
    @vinvin1715 Před 3 lety +1

    Extremely informative. Are you using a Dibbler or trowel to plant with. How are you irrigating so far from the house?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      We plant with a butter knife. It works really well for plugs. We have a irrigation supply line with a booster pump

  • @houleflowerfarm9661
    @houleflowerfarm9661 Před 3 lety

    Great tips! Love your white compotes behind you, mind sharing where you got them?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety

      I’ll have to ask Jenn, she collects them from all sorts of places 😂

  • @donnavandewater8199
    @donnavandewater8199 Před 3 lety

    Great advice! I will definitely moisten the soil and plant the seedlings in the evening in the last succession. Good tip. My question is about your field. Do you leave space open for subsequent plantings? Do you plant, cut until the plant is done, pull up the plants, amend the soil, and plant again? I have a very small space. I am having sleepless nights trying to figure out this succession planting thing! Thank you for sharing your sage wisdom.

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      We pull the plant and re-till

    • @donnavandewater5590
      @donnavandewater5590 Před 3 lety

      @@PepperHarrow Thanks. I actually found the other video on succession planting that answered my question. I really enjoy and value your videos.

  • @stephanielapre
    @stephanielapre Před rokem

    I have a question and trying to figure out how to word it! I hope this makes sense, lol. So, my concern is placement when succession planting. For example, if I leave space in my Snapdragon bed for my second or third succession (or if I'm replacing spent plants) but have taller plants already growing around that space, the shade from them seems like it would be an issue for my new transplants or seeds, right? Can you please let me know how you plan around this? Do you leave completely separate beds open in another area for each succession? Or are you planting successions two and three in the same beds with things that were planted during the first succession? Thank you!

  • @stephaniecooper7796
    @stephaniecooper7796 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you! One question I am always looking for an answer to is, are you ripping out the older plants to transplant the successions? I have a small corner lot, and very limited space, so what would your advice be to us smaller plot farmers for getting them into the ground? I don't really have room to leave space open for the next succession, because every available inch is taken. So, starting the successions are great to know, but how do you go about actually planting them out? Are you pulling up the older plants and replacing them with the transplants? Thank you for your insights! You have such a beautiful farm!

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 4 měsíci

      Yes, we take the old plants out. There's a short we did called flipping a row mid season. It's a time lapse of Adam taking out old plants and laying down fabric to plant a new one. Check it out!

    • @stephaniecooper7796
      @stephaniecooper7796 Před 4 měsíci

      @@PepperHarrow amazing, thank you! Gosh, it makes me nervous though. Our summers get into high 90's, even 100's in June sometimes in high desert Colorado, so I just worry over the poor babies getting smoked before they can get established. However, if I never do it, I'll never find tune it 😉 Again, thank you so much. And God bless you and your farm this year! 💜

  • @pamelagraham3100
    @pamelagraham3100 Před rokem +1

    Thank you. I'm new at cutflower growing in 8b Texas in containers. Am I crazy?

  • @Midwestmama612
    @Midwestmama612 Před 3 lety

    Great video!! When you do your succession plantings, are you starting the seeds indoors then transplanting or just direct sowing once the weather has warmed and skip anything indoors?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      The only thing we direct sow are sunflowers. Everything else is transplanted.

    • @JackSpellerberg
      @JackSpellerberg Před 3 lety

      @@PepperHarrow so do you have seedlings always growing indoors or do you time when to sow the seeds?

  • @karenlopez5441
    @karenlopez5441 Před 3 lety +2

    So for cosmos, celosia, zinnia, you are pulling the plants when the next batch of seedlings is ready to plant out? So you get 4 weeks of cutting from each of these before the next 4 weeks then the next 4 weeks? (They are only in the ground 4 weeks?)

    • @karenlopez5441
      @karenlopez5441 Před 3 lety

      I think another viewer asked this in a different way but I just want to make sure I understand

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      They're each in the ground about three months. We'll either start a new row or till in and reuse. a spent (flowers done blooming) row

    • @karenlopez5441
      @karenlopez5441 Před 3 lety

      @@PepperHarrow I get it -now that I have my first flowers growing it’s easier to figure out-I’m doing it with sunflowers already but will be pulling stock and some snaps and bells soon. My bell of Ireland got that brown leaf disease just as they were forming flowers. H

  • @user-qs5jn9pu6n
    @user-qs5jn9pu6n Před 10 měsíci +1

    How do I get an example of you succession plan or planner

  • @TaraStClair-jp9ip
    @TaraStClair-jp9ip Před 3 lety

    This is probably a silly question but do you pull out the previous succession and plant the next one in place? Or do you just save enough room in your beds to plant the second and let the first fade off?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +1

      We rip an existing one out and put a new one in. There’s another video where we show this: Planting mid-season...

  • @ElesliePatterson
    @ElesliePatterson Před 3 lety

    Do you direct sow any of the flowers mentioned ? Soil blocks? Or cell trays?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +3

      We use 72 cell trays for our seedlings and typically do 10 trays of each variety. Because of the quantity, we don’t soil block, but love the sustainability of that process. We only direct seed sunflowers, and sometimes zinnias and cosmos.

  • @lilianarodriguez3364
    @lilianarodriguez3364 Před 2 lety

    Hi. I have a maybe silly question, I am not a farmer. What happen in winter, you can not to plant flowers, and sell.

  • @kellietowner3268
    @kellietowner3268 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for sharing your “basic succession plan” 🤣

  • @shilpapatel5
    @shilpapatel5 Před 3 lety

    When succession planting, in one season, do you replant the same flower in the same spot ?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 3 lety +2

      No, we rotate them. 👍

    • @shilpapatel5
      @shilpapatel5 Před 3 lety

      @@PepperHarrow Thought so, thank you for the reply !

  • @cynthiaparrish3738
    @cynthiaparrish3738 Před 3 lety +2

    I’m still trying to get a grip on succession planting so I really appreciate the information you shared.
    #moonshadowflowerfarm

  • @donnabauerofbrilliancebyde1178

    Why don’t you direct seed zinnias and cosmos?

  • @7remco
    @7remco Před 3 lety

    I like your presentation, but you really didn't tell me how to plant in succession - ground prep, do I remove plants and plant in the same row?, space required. You said the same thing repeatedly through out the video - 60 day turn. That is the only take away. Thanks for the time, I will keep watching.

  • @DalhiaSun
    @DalhiaSun Před 3 lety

    Do you sell the pots behind you?

  • @RuthanneR1
    @RuthanneR1 Před 2 lety

    What is your normal watering schedule?

    • @PepperHarrow
      @PepperHarrow  Před 2 lety +1

      Heavily in the beginning of all the plants are establishing and we lighten off after that