Anneliese Michel Case Analysis | Exorcism vs. Mental Health Treatment
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Anneliese Michel?
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This story has always fascinated me. It’s truly very sad.
Very sad and tragic
Me too
It is very sad, if only someone outside the family had helped her.
I agree with you all, very disturbing. Although today, rather in the 70’s, they truly have come along ways. What I don’t understand, how ones gifted with “ the light”, ones role their eyes, ( although, there truly are ones that feel they’re gifted, & can cause harm, just as much, some are truly gifted, you must always be aware, especially with our souls and spirits). I cannot concept how much darkness grabs more attention ( actually, I can, it truly blows my mind however, many will turn to religious beliefs ( not all are bad, it’s on us actually, how we choose to carry ones self, how we choose to be a genuine caring human, or hateful, without judgment, or any type of separation from our loved ones), yet, they don’t understand faith, I hope this makes sense, I don’t want y’all to feel I’m judging, it’s what I’ve witnessed.) From my own understanding reading the Bible, ( unless I’m missing words), does it ever ( I’ve read a lot of many versions of the Bible, etc. ), does it say, if you’re this religion, “ blah blah blah??!! From my understanding it says, Love, it speaks about no harm towards others, so far, in my 58 years of living, I deeply feel that our Native Ancestors have had it right, we honor one another, love, we respect our earth, creatures, all living things. I feel better believing this, & I’ll continue to teach my family the same, because, regardless, our color, religion ( as long as it’s not sacrificing any breathing soul), it truly makes the most sense. we always need to be so careful about dark places, everyone’s lives matter, and the healthiest help.
@@mamashanshan2772 I think this case shows us how dreadful religion is. Either delusions and seizures are signs of demonic procession or they are a sign of a prophet. The first is in danger of mistreatment from others, the second can become a danger to others if power and grandiosity are also part of the mix.
Extremely sad case. It’s disheartening to see how so many people have endured tremendous suffering due to failure to seek treatment for mental illness. In this case, besides the exorcism she was also starved, so very cruel. This case brings tears to my eyes.
Thank you for all the work you do and for helping to destigmatize mental illness.❤️
I have the impression that Mother should have looked into the mirror for a cause for her daughter's problems.
Maybe she wouldn’t eat or drink. Look at the picture of her neck and people used to get goiter’s and if I remember right they started putting iodine in salt that you buy at the grocery store to help with the problem. You know the round package with the girl with the umbrella. Thyroid issues are really not fun to have .
I'd go as far to compare an exorcism to cruel and unusual punishment of an innocent person. Sad indeed.
@@lorisutherland7728 You're right. People still do get goiters, with Graves Disease or hyperthyroidism. I had Graves disease, which reared it's ugly head when I was pregnant. Had a migraine for over 2 months. Until a lump showed up on my neck out of nowhere, one day. It was horrible, as I couldn't be treated with radioactive iodine or surgery, because of the pregnancy. It was horrible, with terrible symptoms. I still have an irregular and rapid heart rate as a souvenir from it. 😳
@@lorisutherland7728 It is possible that she wouldn’t or couldn’t eat for a variety of reasons, although I don’t know whether or not she had goiter. However, if this is the case she needed medical attention immediately. There are other ways to provide hydration and nutrition if not by mouth, such as enteral feeding (tube feeding) or intravenous feeding. And if the individual can’t make the decision for themselves, the family usually does. From the photos I saw on the internet, it is clear that she was starving for a very long time, one or two weeks without eating will not cause people to look the way she did. Coincidentally, as a dietitian that’s what I do for a living, part of my job is to provide nutrition for people who will not or cannot eat by mouth. As such, I see this as gross negligence from a medical standpoint.
My friends mother believed she was possessed and eventually took her own life. There is nothing funny about this. Unchecked severe mental illness is devastating.
Mental illness plus religious mumbo jumbo is a recipe for disaster.
Yes it's not funny but always look at other options than the one that was given . I do so in my life for i know i'm not always wright nor always wrong . Be critical about what you beleave. So you won't get fooled.
Unchecked severe mental illness is devastating...especially when helpers, who ought to know better, buy into your delusions
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I'm always interested in how exactly mental health professionals separate mentally ill people (which this girl obviously was) from people who are just ultra religious. I've had family members and friends who I felt were in a gray area in between ultra dogmatic and schizophrenia or schizotypal. What is the dividing line, saying you have actual back and forth conversations with some God? Believing you are God? Thinking other people in your life are demons?
My grandson has epilepsy, he is 18. My daughter is so good at noticing changes in him, he did have a rage problem with first set of meds, they were changed and he is doing great and is not angry, people did not know much about epilepsy in 70's. Thank you. I sure feel sorry this young girls life was ended from ignorance.
It sounds like your grandson has a great family support system! My hat’s off to you! Epilepsy can be very tricky to deal with. I’m a retired nurse and have had a lot of experience with patients who suffer with seizure activity, as well as family members/caregiver who deal with the devastating effects of this disease. Right now, I have an epileptic yorkie who is with me 24/7. Not a human being, as is your grandson, but has given me practice in noticing the little changes that happen before and after seizures. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Tammy!
Epilepsy has nothing to do with possesion: did your grandson levitate or speak dead languages??? No priest would take epllepsy for possesion.
In her picture, she looks like she has a goiter. I’m not a medical expert but she may have had a few undiagnosed medical problems alongside of her possible schizophrenia and her epilepsy. Possibly? Having untreated Hashimoto’s disease can also cause hallucinations and hearing voices that aren’t there.
Oh yeah I never noticed that before and I seen this picture a few times .thanks for pointing that out
That's a great point. I have been on thyroid meds for years. Once I got stabilized, I felt so much better. BTW, I didn't have Hashimoto's, but my neighbor did. She decided not to continue on her meds and she became a bat shit crazy hoarder. Scary stuff.
None of that was a reason for her behavior though
I was thinking the same thing. On top of a hypothyroid diagnosis, I slowly sank into an Addisonian crisis during 2016 and I thought I was going crazy. I almost lost my job because my attitude rapidly went south. I ended up doing 6 weeks of IOP despite my mental health issues being well-managed. I cried every day and didn't know why. I was seen by a medical professional ~15 times and was always in perfect health. During the last month or so, I would have lost hours where I couldn't remember where I had been or what I had done. I very nearly died but I finally got an Addison's dx. It took months for me to really comprehend that my symptoms had been real; I'd been told for almost a year that nothing was wrong. 🤷
@@Enne_esse It possibly could or Folie a deux could be at play here. Guess, we will never know for sure.
Her picture shows a swollen thyroid. Thyroid dysfunction is known to cause a variety of neuropsychiatric symptoms, including mood disorders, psychosis, and cognitive dysfunction.
I was just going post the same thing!
😳 it’s so apparent, but yet, without you pointing it out, I never would have looked closer!
Especially Graves Disease and hyperthyroidism, which can cause the goiter. If left untreated, you can actually die from it. Underactive or Hashimoto's, not so much.
My friend has Addison’s disease brought on by 15 years of hashimotos. It can cause a plethora of crazy symptoms like psychosis if not treated.
@@persephonemaeve2704 Really? That's horrible for your friend. I never heard of that before. I guess I need to do more research. I'm sorry to hear your friend is going through all of this.❤
I've seen this case dissected by others but none had ever taken into account the effect of the beliefs, attitudes, and personal issues of the people around her, effectively her closest support system. Nicely done. Plenty of food for thought.
yes in this case an analysis of her support system is absolutely vital...its incredible we had to wait until now for this analysis
I've seen one other, Casefile's episode on her. It's by far the most respectful treatment of Anneliese Michel's case that I've seen on CZcams so far, besides this one.
Bro said “thanks for making fun of religion”
Thank you, Dr Grande, for bringing your medical expertise to another very interesting case. As a retired nurse, I know the suffering of these patients, as well as the difficulty in treatments. So many psych patients have no one to speak on their behalf and there certainly is still today a lack of compassionate medical community. I’m so glad you are willing to bring this type of human injustice to light. Thank you so much, Doctor Grande!!!
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He's not a medical doctor. He has a PhD in psychology. I do enjoy his videos though.
I thank you for bringing your voice and speaking out for what you know to be true. It is truly sad and difficult to understand how some of these treatment facilities LACK knowledge and compassion to CARE for individuals who are truly in a battle of the mind.
I love that you always state "I'm not diagnosing anyone in this video", leaving me thinking that one day you will release a video where you do diagnose someone.
I"m not diagnosing anyone... just making an educated guess that likely has around a 95% accuracy rate. Seriously, I'll bet he nailed the overwhelming majority of these non-diagnosis diagnoses.
He is not supposed to diagnose people he hasn't evaluated in person. It is unethical for his profession.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening
in a possessed person like this.
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@@AliciaM5555 Do you think Dr. Grande is special too? Yes he is so funny! I enjoyed his book that was serious but…lol after the day I had working with the general public Lol ! In my locale of course! I have zero other options but to laugh? Lol Now I know that am ok and I don’t need a mental health evaluation because I have water to cast out any demons! Lol 🤔❤️🌎🇺🇸✊😜😳
Yes indeed. Pentagramcostals and Braptists are total children of satan himself.
@@suekennedy8917 ? What’s a braptists? Lol I think 🤔 I missed that one denominational reference in world 🌎 religions class or maybe 🤔 I fell asleep during a CZcams presentation? Lol enlighten me please! Lol
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Dr. Grande, could you analyze the case of LM Montgomery, author of the Anne of Green Gables series? She saw and shared such beauty and joy in the world, had significant success and social supports, and yet struggled with severe addiction to painkillers, despair, and presumably commited suicide. Her husband also struggled with severe depression and addiction. Her suicide note included "I have lost my mind by spells and I do not dare think what I may do in those spells. May God forgive me and I hope everyone else will forgive me even if they cannot understand. My position is too awful to endure and nobody realizes it. What an end to a life in which I tried always to do my best."
It is so hard to imagine how she could possess such amazing insight on human interaction and the natural world, yet simultaneously struggle with such overwhelming mental suffering. I would so appreciate your analysis. Thank you for your channel and dedication to your field. It is a gift to us all.
Wow, I'm a huge fan of her work and I had never known this! The books & film adaptations were literally my childhood. You've given me something to look into now out of curiosity.
Dr Todd is a master at respecting the gravity of an event whilst still injecting his own brand of humour. Incredibly hard to pull off. Kudos.
I used to have sleep paralysis often, very scary stuff. Hard to move and breath and you see strange things. Can be terrifying.
Me too, many decades ago. I had been recovering from serious disease and alcohol abuse. I learned to recognize the sleep paralysis and deal with it. One time I scared the demons out of a housemate by asking him in a slurred monster-voice to wake me up.
Thankfully the people around you didn’t think you were possessed by a demon.
@@trishayamada807 I did go to a shrink, but not the good kind. Freudian, I guess, like a secular exorcist. Initially the sleep paralysis was accompanied by a very loud and very real sounding air-raid type alarm. The shrink wanted to talk about loud noises in my childhood. I did not return for a second visit. The SP eventually went away spontaneously, as my general health improved.
@@JiveDadson i have and still get sleep paralysis along with “exploding head syndrome”. My GP was zero help and made me feel crazy. The psychiatrist I was sent to knew immediately what was going on. Thankfully no one sent me for an exorcism.
@@trishayamada807 Yeah, I had head explosions too, but much later, and I think unrelated to the first episode. First I had spasms upon waking that began in my legs and over time worked their way up, eventually ending in the brain boomies. It turned out that I had (and always will have) polycythemia vera, a blood cancer that untreated makes your blood increasingly thick until you go 💀. Daily pills and the occasional blood-letting, and it's not so bad.
Everybody failed this poor girl. On all sides of the spectrum.
That's all I kept thinking, and all I would have commented, too. Thanks for doing it for me! 😁
Yeah she was just acting out the psychopathy of the family. That's what shizophrenics do.
exactly what i was thinking, it just kept getting tragically worse as his analysis continued. just so SO sad....
Not sure who was possesed? Crazy parents
You said it perfectly. She was clearly suffering badly.
“Ma’am, is your daughter crazy or something?”
“Heavens no! She’s possessed by multiple demons, thank you very much.”
Always kills me when I hear, "well everyone in town thought she was possessed by demons." Yeah, no shit.. I'm sure they did. She lived in a small town in a region of Bavaria which is known as the Bible Belt of Germany. It's basically Germany's version of Mississippi. People in that town largely believing in demonic possession theories as opposed to what is was (mental illness) is what one would expect.
Like, a DemonUber?
@@chad3232132 this was made worse because germany at the time was a very sexualized place-tv, films magazines all basically featured nudity and soft core movies were a major source of entertainment traditionally minded people living in that region, basically, as a reaction to this retreated into their traditional mindset and saw the bigger society as being against them annelieses lived in that environment and thus her mental illness featured demonic activity this however only reinforced her parents belief system that their viewpoint is right and the outer society is created by satan that is why they never sought psychological advice because they saw mental professionals as being deluded by satan
Who among us hasn't had a little trouble with demonic possession from time to time, am I right??
@@sanguinesoulful I suppose I've done stupid shit while drunk or on a Oxy high and blamed it on demons in the moment. Looking back, it was really just an excuse.
"they didn't divide up their responsibility efficiently"😂 I love this guy
Todd would be a great actor on SNL because he never breaks character, no matter the joke.
yes the snl cast for the last several seasons has been breaking character too much its very annoying
I could see him doing Weekend Update
*Dr.* Todd. Please let’s show respect here 😂
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You haven't seen Grande's videos where he puts blooper footage in, I guess
I understand mental illness better than ever because of this channel.
Illnesses have biomarkers. You mean mental disorders, not illnesses. Don't be misled.
I understand a lot about mental disorders because I have several. But still, love Grande's informative videos!
The 1970's where mental health and religion intersect. I can't imagine the torture Michelle endured. Sending her prayers.
Thank you Dr. Grande 🪴🪴🪴🪴
I am what you would call 'religious' but I can tell the difference between mental health - good and bad - and religious beliefs. However I am 40 years older than this poor young woman. Stephanie Harlow covers this case very well too imo.
Unfortunately starvation during exorcisms is not uncommon. It's thought that weakening the possessed person physically will help drive out the demons.
Yes, I've also heard that when you are physically at your weakest you are spiritually at your strongest. It's why people fast.
Too bad demons are not real and exorcisms are just torture on mentally ill people.
Your wearing lipstick in your photo & YOUR A DUDE and you expect me to believe you know anything about if exorcisms are real or not? TF outta here.
@@Gigachadly not sure what my lipstick has to do with anything, but go off I guess
@@Gigachadly what? This issue is no joke. And you’re making this about lipstick? We need a better mental health systems not delusions.
Why was I just snooping through random old videos on a different channel last night and watched a 3 year old video on this case, and now Dr. Grande posts about it today?? CZcams is more haunted than this girl was
:Did they think demons were bringing her food?"
Demonic door dash. For the on the go possession victim.
@@Sermonseeker777 😶
Her thyroid is bulging out of her neck!
I may have cackled at this. 🤣
Some of her symptoms sound like sleep paralysis. The knocking sounds at night are pretty common and I’ve been dealing with that for some 25 years. She obviously had other issues going on as well.
god tell me about it. i got insane sleep paralysis with knocking for like 2 years just from oversleeping when a package was delivered to my apartment. that knocking i guess scared me and stayed with me for way too long. (also when my door was banged on really loud by the maintenance ppl for accidentally leaving the tap on and almost flooding my downstairs neighbors bathroom). basically LOTS of knocking and then even more knocking when i had sleep paralysis. fun
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@Julie Kirsten Doig Browne i had knocking in the walls also, dunno what was causing it but it happened all the time and one day just stopped forever. I heard its pretty common too
Sleep paralysis, with or without knocking, is terrifying. The brain seems trapped in another dimension, and the body is unable to move. Horrific
I've had paralysis but without hallucination. The only thing I experimented with this was the chest compression. I was there, awake, but unable to speak or even to breath. My vision was all red. Very weird. A noise brought me back to normal state. :/ very stressful situation 😂😂
Dear Dr. Grande, thank you so much for bringing Anneliese Michel case once again to the public.
This is an extremely sad case. No woman nor girl should pass through all terrible experiences she had to endure.
such rigid mother did not helped at all, making the situation worst. daugther absolutely with no food, no friends and having her own home like a prison.
no system of believe shouldn't be more important than the health and the life of Anneliese Michel
"The intelligence could not combat the gullibility." Lmao..😄 I collect these Grandeisms.
That's pretty much the story of Arthur Conan Doyle's life in one sentence. The man was a trained physician who believed in fairies.
@@robertlevine2827 the photos were obviously fake even using the analysis of his time-one has to truly shake ones head and wonder wtf was doyle thinking
"Demons must learn Latin." Lol I love how you throw in the bits of humor, Dr. Grande!
Dr. Grande had the perfect opportunity to mention alien lizard people and he didn’t. A man of restraint.
Not to mention 'Alien abductees'. What if she was perfectly normal but her self was regularly abducted leaving he body which could then be filled by evil spirits. Then later her abductors may return her and that would account for the intermittent good bad syndrome as well as her not wanting exorcism as it made no sense to her as she wasn't there when the bad things occured.
When I was younger I genuinely thought that she had demons in her, thanks to the movies based on her case. Now I just feel bad for the lack of care and extreme religious fanaticism that she experienced leading to her death.
I've never been religious, but when I was younger and less knowledgeable about mental illnesses, I did think there might have been something supernatural going on based on the movies and documentaries about her. The media and Hollywood put out a lot of BS over the years to play up the "demonic possession" nonsense, while downplaying the obvious mental illness.
I think some of the things in these movies were exaggerated. Like it's said she had whole conversations in other languages. More likely she knew a couple of sentences in other languages and just recited those. That is far from talking fluently in another unknown language.
@@tonyhogg9839 There are cassette tapes of the exorcisms in which she carries hour long conversations in Latin. This is, of course, likely because Michel studied Latin, so she knew the language well enough to converse in it. I'm not sure there's any proof of her speaking in any other tongues though, even for just sentences.
Possessions are real, but the one red flag that shows her case was mental illness is because to be possessed you have to invite something in, you don't just become possessed out of nowhere, and her family and priests should have known that
@@sostartled265 "Possessions are real"
Based on what verifiable evidence?
"to be possessed you have to invite something in"
How does a person invite a demon in? I just verbally said Satan is welcome to inhabit my body, and nothing happened.
*Demon points at other Demon*
Demon: WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?!
same thing you are...i have a right to be here so either shut up or buzz off
I can just imagine Dr. Grande in one of those old Airplane movies with Lesley Nielsen. The laughs would be off the scale.
@@lthompson5017 i loved it when newhart on his first show had a client who believed he was an alien...so how long are you going to be in town...
Thank you for this interesting vid 🙏 I grew up in West Germany in the 70s and 80s and I still remember many people were against medication for mental illnesses still in the mid-80s, because these medications allegedly would 'change that person's personality' (and my family wasn't even Catholic). I am so glad that this is different nowadays and mental illness is losing some of the stigma 😀
I am Catholic the girl was possessed!
Interesting point. It makes me so angry that people will point to her denial of mental illness all wide eyed and uncritical, as if that proves anything. Like: 1) no shit that's how delusions work, you believe in them 2) even today there is such a stigma against mental issues and people are understandably terrified of being locked up in an institution 3) I'd also point out that there was and is a widespread issue in religious communities of people being very ignorant of mental health and very suspicious of psychology, thinking mental issues are a faith issue or a demonic issue, something that can be solved though prayer.
If you take all this into account, I don't see why anyone is surprised that Anneliese feared being labeled as mentally ill and mistrusting the doctors who had already let her down.
Whether you believe in demons or not, in what world does performing 67 exorcisms on one person make sense? That seems like the definition of insanity. This poor girl suffered her entire life. Every person in her life failed her. This was an interesting one, Dr.Grande. Thanks for this most excellent analysis. ❤
Exactly. Even if they sincerely believed her to be possessed, at what point were these people going to use their eyes and admit this wasn't working? At the 66th exorcism? The 100th? Never? You'd think after four or five tries did nothing anyone would be able to admit an idea is failing.
How anyone who claimed to love her allowed this to go on so long much less participated, as she was turning into a battered, starved shell of her former self is beyond me. Religious fanaticism and superstition truly robs people of compassion.
I wonder how a modern day exorcist would regard having 67 exorcisms? Seems alot.
But the thing was, Her family actually brought her to several doctors and neurologists and psychiatrists and psychologists and therapists but they were all just as clueless as her parents were. She was on anti convulsants and several anti depressants for months and they didn’t help at all. There’s a reason why the phrase “there’s more to the story than you’re being told” exists.
That's close to average according to exorcists. You and this doctor should do some further research. Possession and demons are real, of course so is God and Jesus
Pazuzu is difficult to get rid of.
Poor girl, what a tortured soul. Dr. Grande, have you looked at the Cindy James case? That would be interesting.
I second this Dr. Grande, It’s extremely interesting.
3rd here.
Oh yes please
Low IQ types who are into child abuse need to be locked up for life in solitary.
@@suekennedy8917 I believe you meant to comment this on the video and not as a reply to this comment.
The range of topics discussed this week is amazing! ✨ always been intrigued by this story. Thanks for covering it so gracefully Dr. Grande!
This girl's death is a nightmare. It's so sad.
Thank you, Dr. Grande!
"It seems demons really pay attention in Latin class, like it was an important part of their curriculum"
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It was brilliant, wasn't it?! For a moment I couldn't concentrate on the video, I was laughing so hard 😄
Yes! This is my personal favorite!
Hilarious!
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Yes, he's so funny he should be a comedian and would be more accurate in comedy than in psychology. He definitelly missed his profession...sadly.
Such a sad story. But a fascinating one about how unhealthy group dynamics and belief systems can be a person's downfall
I've been hospitalized 3x because my panic disorder will get out of control. I'll feel like I'm dying and have insomnia that does not respond to otc medications. I always wind up in the ER with it because I won't sleep for days. The longest I've gone without sleep is probably 7 days. This last hospitalization I stayed up about 80ish hours. It's horrifying when it happens. The hospital always puts me on anti psychotic medications and they ALWAYS cause extreme paranoia in me and increase my anxiety. I refused the medication during this last visit and got better within a few days of getting sleep. I have an undiagnosed trauma based dissociative disorder that I'm working on managing with a therapist who specializes in trauma. The hospital always tries to slap a bipolar label on me and over medicate me. I feel so bad for this girl. It's quite possible the medications made her worse.
I'm so sorry, I hope the therapy helps and you can find a way to cope. That sounds like an absolute nightmare.
This case is so tragic and infuriating in part because I disagree with the idea that demon possessions are real - but I completely saw why she got this idea so fixed in her mind. Her episodes and hallucinations would be a terrifying thing to go through on their own, but if you added in the belief that demons are real and can influence and possess people, and if doctors repeatedly failed to solve your problem and just kept throwing medication with awful side effects at your head? Yeah I can see why it was so easy for her to get fixed on the idea of possession. I can even understand to a point why her family, desperate for answers and seeing the same failures from doctors, might have considered this route out of genuine concern. But what I don't think anything can excuse is how far they took it, even as it had to be obvious the rituals weren't helping.
Hey, I love the wide range of types of video content you do. I would love to see you do more conversations with people with lived experience of certain symptoms or labels ❤
"If she claimed that Earth is flat, there wouldn't have been all these people rounding around her, offering her support in these delusions."
I wouldn't be so optimistic :-D
Right? I think the last few years have shown us that people will literally believe anything.
Glad to see you doing a video about this. Good to hear this story from more of a psychological perspective rather than a spiritual one. Whenever I see a story about this case, it usually focuses on the exorcism and idea of possession.
YES!!!! I requested this one back when I first subbed to the channel so you can thank me for this episode!!!! Just kidding, thanks Dr. Grande.
But did you persist in nagging every day?
@@JiveDadson No, only asked once so I guess I can't take credit :)
@@TraceVandal Don't be so hard on yourself. Dr. Grande hearted your comment.
@@deborahdrew8526 Totally.
I've asked for Martin Bryant responsible for the port Arthur massacre about 20 times and still waiting!!
The poor girl, heartbreaking. Thank you for another fascinating story and rational, informed analysis. ❤️
I love your channel!!! Thanks for the quality content. I always wondered about her case and what really happened to her. It’s a sad story overall.
"Eating is not necessary to live"....Dr Grande by making that statement, you do know you will be inundated with offers from "weight loss" companies wanting to sponsor you.
Thanks for doing this one!! I guess most viewers are from the US but for us europeans lots of stories are not familiar. This one is:)
Yes indeed. I've no clue about a lot of the people covered either. However it's also because a lot off those covered are inane CZcamsrs I don't give a monkeys ass about. This is an actual interesting case to hear about.
Omg I requested this case from you a while back! I’m excited to watchhhh
It is a blessing that people like you, Todd, are providing this excellent, free and education content that tires to stay grounded in medical science as much as possible. It always deeply appreciated!
Mental illness stigma is still an issue and we are living in 2021. 🚮
What's the difference between having serious mental illness in Medieval Germany compared to having it in rural Germany in modern times? Back then, you'd be killed by burning at the stake as a witch. Today, you'd be killed by starvation as a result of mistreatment and dozens of exorcisms.
That's a sad reality. It's slowly changing, but not quick enough to save some people. They don't want the stigma. Still.
@@chad3232132 nah today, if you live in Portland, you are free to roam around and get away with crime as an excuses for mental illness
I've always found this case intriguing. I'm not saying she wasn't possessed but surely she and her demons could've been hospitalized anyway or the exorcisms could've been performed under medical supervision. I don't know how they got to point of "Oh, ok. She doesn't want to eat so whatever. "
You are literally the only comment I've seen of someone who both doesn't discount possession* and actually still manages to call out the neglectful behavior of all the priests and her family this way, congrats. Like: at what point were they going to realize that, belief in demons or not, the rituals weren't fucking helping? At what point were they going to think her horrifying condition was serious enough to take her to a hospital? Even if the doctors failed to solve the mental issue long term they could, I dunno, have prevented her from turning into a bruised, dehydrated skeleton and *straight up dying?*
(*Though personally I very much do discount possession, and I frankly feel her being taught about demonic possession as a real thing at all, was what cemented her delusions, and the family's deadly focus on exorcisms so firmly.)
She definitely wasn't possessed because that doesnt exist.
i really have to hand it to you. You have kept me in stitches all throughout your commentary! In a sense, you are truly adorable! Thank you for making my late night and early morning research a joy!
Great analysis of this tragic case Dr. Grande. I love the new shelf btw
You should analyze Oscar the Grouch. I have always wondered if he has a personality disorder or is just depressed.
Depression is a mental disorder.
@@JiveDadson Yes it is but it isn't a personality disorder.
My money is on BPD
@@joycejnn Afraid of someone leaving him, so he pushes everyone away. Could be.
You'd have a sh*tty attitude living in a garbage can that long and everyone talking mess about you all of the time, too🤣🤣
I remember this one! An incredibly sad story, especially given the misunderstandings by her parents and the church, and how she’s still perceived because of her appearance.
I’m loving this episode! It’s almost over. Good stuff!
Dear Dr. Grande,
I just wanted to tell how much I enjoy your lectures. I’ve learned much from you. I also enjoy your dry sense of humor. It quite tickles me!~Respectfully, Becky
Demon: I am Nero! I am Hitler! I will never leave this body!
Father Todd Grande: The demon appears to have a low amount of openness to experience, a high amount of conscientiousness, a moderately high amount of extroversion, a low amount of agreeableness, and a high amount of neuroticism
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YES. Ive been hoping youd do this one!!
Great job. A sober and lucid analysis of this subject is greatly needed, no matter how much we want such a phenomenon to be true.
This is so well-reasoned. Thank you for a great video, Doc.
I had requested this a while ago. Thank you! Greetings from Germany!
Dr G, i have a complaint. I’ve been trying to watch “The Malignant Narcissist “ 3 times. And every time I start watching it, you post a new video. So I stop watching it to view the new video. My question is if I watch it at -say- 2 am, you’re gonna be asleep! Right?😆
I don't think he sleeps!
I wouldn't count on it! 🤣
@@lailanagdee8501 Excuse my ignorance, but is “The Malignant Narcissist “ a documentary or movie? Where can I watch it? Thanks
@@viktormedina4631 You should ask the original poster Carolyn Pimental. I assume it refers to another video posted by Dr Grande.
@@viktormedina4631 Yes, it’s a video of Dr Grande’s from a few years ago. The title is “ Malignant Narcissism-is it Narcissism And Psychopathy Combined “.
So sad there was so much ignorance of mental health issues. I'm so glad there is more communication and people like our Dr Grande who explains mental health issues in a compassionate and informative way.
I think the thing that sums up these people callous disregard for this poor girl. They forced her to kneel so often and for so long her kneecaps broke as a result.
Ugh how awful
Her parents were a victim of ignorance. Thank you Dr. Todd Grande for your hard work 🫀🤍
And victims of a scam shrouded in religion. People are trained to never question the priests.
But the thing was, Her family actually brought her to several doctors and neurologists and psychiatrists and psychologists and therapists but they were all just as clueless as her parents were. She was on anti convulsants and several anti depressants for months and they didn’t help at all. There’s a reason why the phrase “there’s more to the story than you’re being told” exists.
@@annahelander2881you do realize there’s more to the story than you already know. She sought medical treatment countless times but they never worked.
I've heard about this case before but never the mental aspect of it. Thank you Dr. Grande!
I'm excited to hear your take on this situation. So sad and intriguing.
I appreciate your calmness during your videos. It’s soothing, even when you’re explaining the most complex, heartbreaking situations and issues. Very easy to follow and absorb information.
PS: I always thought it was very obvious that these exorcism cases were mental illnesses and am shocked to realize so many people believe they’re actual possessions. Fascinating.
I believe that some people really are possessed and do require an exorcism. Not sure about this case though - what is very clear is that the poor young woman had a very miserable life.
And how can you be 100% sure that possession is impossible ? The arrogance of the "rational mind" is truly shocking.
@@izabeera166 share an instance that was ever proven to be true possession, without possibility of mental illness and I’ll give you multiple for each one that was a mental illness, but mistaken by some for possession.
I believe in God, so of course I believe in spirits, but I do not believe they can possess a person. Only influence their thoughts and behaviors. Not physically enter their body.
I guess if you understood psychology, this would be more obvious to you.
I am glad you covered this one. Ok let me watch it now. Thanks.
Dr Grande is somehow like the Bob Ross of psychology. He has such a calming voice even while talking about these difficult matters, his way of explaining things in detail but also simple enough for everyone to understand is amazing and his dry humor is perfect to help lighten the mood without being disrespectful.
Great work all together, thank you for bringing awareness to both the legal and psychological aspects of each case!
Your videos never miss!! Love it dr!!
This kept me company while I did laundry today :)
looking fresh!
Exorcism as a concept never achieved anything but box office success.
for prescientific and traditional peoples it might have had positive results from the placebo effect
You never hear about most of them. Hard to judge.
And book sales. The biggest seller of all time is loaded with exorcisms, particularly in the final chapters.
Listening to the audio tapes of her howling,screaming and making gutteral sounds is very strange . Something was very wrong with her .
yeah. her voice sounded like a man who had been smoking for like 20 years it seemed. this girl was literally possessed.
Right?!?! I couldn’t make my voice sound like that if I TRIED FOR YEARS. Something supernatural was going on there based on the voice alone.
@@Rachel_Ryder agreed! I just don’t believe it was mental illness alone.
@@Rachel_Ryder people here keep saying it's her damaged thyroid
I honestly can't listen to them for very long. It used to be because when I was younger it scared me because every retelling I knew about the case left small but key facts out, and played up the ZOMG WAS this a REAL DEMONIC GIRL?? Angle. But now it just makes me feel sick and sad to see how much this poor girl was suffering.
Nearly wasn't going to watch, after seeing so many other videos, but it's Dr. Grande I'm gonna watch! Thank god I did, so much new info, and amazing analysis, thanks doc🇮🇪✌️
wow this took guts to do! most are afraid to look at this case from a clinical view... it has always been interesting to me,. There is a book about this case but some view it as "not a convincing case of possession" you'd think the easiest thing to do is look at her symptoms. No case is identical and often there are confusing aspects of it like a combination of symptoms of a variety of illnesses. Just cuz it seems odd doesn't mean she wasn't mentally ill. I personally think her problem wasn't mental illness but more of a physical problem that was probably overlooked. It almost seems like a viral problem. Like for example, rabies. One symptom she had was extreme swelling of the hands. They were like twice the normal size. Sounds more like a physical problem which clearly worsened over time. It didn't help that she was in bed at home, held down/restrained during 67 exorcisms. That could make anyone insane. Poor girl...she suffered terribly. Shame on the family and priests... all they did was make it worse and it resulted in her death
Maybe they thought the demons would leave when they got hungry enough
Waiting for this again today …
Period.
Thank 👏 You 👏 Dr. 👏 Grande!
I’ve always wanted a more clinical view of this case.
Dr. Grande you are so saucy in this one! I thoroughly enjoy your dry sense of humor. It reminds me of my favorite professors.
As someone who has temporal lobe epilepsy. The temporal lobe is responsible for a lot of: emotions, sensory, and motor function. Seizures in the TL can look like: eyes rolling back and subtle twitching. Hallucinations, strange smells, auditory hallucinations or can turn into a grand Mal seizure.
These seizures are more likely to have more frequent seizures than other types of epilepsy, and can be hard to treat. They mostly happen before bed or after waking up, but can . I personally don't think she had schizophrenia, but I'm no expert so take that with a grain of salt.
So many gems in this one. I'm having a hard time picking a fav. Maybe the go local demon? Or the demon calendar app? In all seriousness, I'm so saddened that she did not get the treatment that she needed and that she was let down by so many. The doctors, her parents, the priests. Just no reason here at all and I don't understand. How can so many "sane" people have allowed this to have happened?
The power of the priesthood for certain gullible people.
I believe it was the parents who put the thoughts of 'demon' into her head in the first place.
I aim to be Dr. Grande's level of sarcastic. It's my new goal.
i’m not one to be scared by horror or exorcism cases etc like EVER, i’m always unphased. but ever since i was a child when i first learned about her this is the one case where it genuinely frightens me and makes me uncomfortable and i can’t figure out why. there’s something so chilling whenever i hear anyone talk about her or see her pictures/listen to the exorcism tapes. sometimes i feel like she haunts me or something , i had a dream that she wrapped her hands around my throat and started whispering sinister things, it felt very real. very confusing
You sound like you could use treatment for this kind of issue.
@@kwahujakquai6726 i don’t think there is any treatment for this type of thing
@@qqq3494 Talking about your fears, and what makes you uncomfortable with a trained psychologist would be a good starting treatment.
As I'm reaching the end of this video I realize that poor girl had no chance. Being surrounded by people with their own mental problems trying to "help" her. 🤦🏼♀️😞
Thank you Dr. Grande! I am so passionate about your work and analysis! I have learned so much about mental health and I look forward to being a mental health advocate in my community. However, I love these interesting cases which the paranormal is involved. Is it possible to do an analysis on Ed and Loraine Warren or perhaps their cases? Please and thank you kindly. Go Dr. Grande! 🌵
One of your best video Mr. Grande
I've been waiting for you to cover this one. Thank you so much
Another reason I don't believe in demonic possession. It's a load of bs. Mental illness is real and people should acknowledge this. This case is just so sad.
Perfect timing! Outstanding!
I love the sly humor that you slide in to these informative videos.
My mother took care of her mother in a elderly home back in Germany, she told me so many crazy stories from her
Can you tell one?
wow
@@haleytruslow7200 one that I can remember is that when her mind started to deteriorate due to old age she started saying delusional things like her daughter is coming to take her to hell and she would throw her feces. I feel bad for saying this honestly but old age does a lot to you..
@@mayorchop2858 holy shit
@@michellemoore2768 I know fr, I felt so bad
How that poor girl suffered.
Thanks, Doc. Stay safe.
Fascinating yet terrifying case! Love your videos doc! Big fan❤💋
Thank you Dr. Grande for making such a effort to bring this knowledge to the public domain.
Very professional and very informative.
btw my sarcasm detector went a bit crazy in this video sometimes :P
This is a darn good one. Yes, I heard someone say that she "fell into mortal sin with boys." That's why the demon possessed her. Hmm.
that's 1950s Catholicism for you.
@@quester09 1970s -- Anneliese died in 1976. Though it might as well have been the Middle Ages.
oh brother
@@floraposteschild4184 her family was extremely traditional even in seventies germany
If that were the case, it TRULY would be “standing room only “ in “The Hot Place.” 🔥(And I'd be there, too..😬)
Oh great analysis! This case used to scare the living shit out of me when I was a kid. So sad and scary. Its kinda calming to see a detailled scientific explanation for once instead of the posession theories I used to find haha
Dr G! good analysis for this poor girl who suffered under the care of her parents. Thanks for waking me up with your witty comments. It's 2 pm here in Southern Cali and I'm falling asleep, plus it's warm here.
Great analysis! Thanks Dr Grande