Are The Grey Knights Truly Incorruptible? - 40K Theories
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- Could the Grey Knights ever potentially fall to the corrupting influence of the Ruinous Powers?
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UPDATE : As of the March 2021 edition of White Dwarf Magazine, the Exorcists have been retconned to being an Imperial Fist successor chapter, as opposed to a Grey Knights successor as they were previously stated to be within the story "Headhunted".
Slightly disappointing...
@@dilet1114 that's an understatement
"Rule 43: The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it."
Grey Knights are therefore bait
GREY KNIGHTS ARE LOLIS TO THE DARK GODS!
@@whisperingshadowXI
g r e y k n i g h t s a r e l o l i s
Stop calling us lolis
I'm now thinking of a grey knight adepta sororitas involved in some indescribable business with many tentacles
But I'm not complaining
In the novel The Emperor’s Gift, the main protagonist stated the no Grey Knight will fall to Chaos because they simply choose not to fall, which implies that it’s a choice and that their indoctrination specifically prepares them to make the choice never to fall.
Is it still canon?
Reading The Emperor's Gift right now! It's the worst of the Grey Knights books, but still pretty interesting.
thanks for restoring my faith and preventing me from Fallen to corruption
i mean the whole point about chaos corruption is that it isnt biological or even warp based, daemons are part of the warp but what they do is convince people with promises of power and so on, its natural normal temptation what causes people to fall, a chaos god can show you very atractive images of what you will recieve if you fall but its your choice, its not like a virus or any kind of physical restraint, its all mental if i have it well understood
Don't want to be Corrupted?
SAY NO!
The Chaos Gods cannot corrupt you without your consent.
It will be hilarious if the grey knight in DoW is actually Blood Ravens with stolen Grey Knight armor
*_GIFTED_* chapter serf, don't mistake your words with one another.
they got the armor of fallen knights "gifted" to them after all
Gamma115 I honestly won’t be surprised if they actually stole one
This made me laugh WAY too hard...
Bloody magpies... The Emperor Protects, but he doesn't necessarily insure...
SKARBRAND HAS BEGUN SEEING A THERAPIST.
SKARBRAND HATES HIS THERAPIST!
Could it be that Skarbrand needs more than a Therapist? Does Skarbrand attempt to fill the void in itself with mindless slaughter?
Mitchell Smith FOOLISH MORTAL! SKARBRAND KNOWS HIS FATHER WILL RETURN FROM THE GROCERY STORE SOME DAY!
What does Skarbrands not hate?
THERAPIST
THE RAPIST
By the Emprah! We found a greater daemon of Slaanesh!
SKARBRAND Maybe you should find a friend i heard that karn the betrayal is looking for a friend and have you talked to Angron recently
One thing that is to take within consideration is the Intrumentation of the "dishonest narrator" which is used frequently in 40K lore, examples in the book Galaxy in Flames where Garvial Loken admits that space marines do know fear they are simply trained to ignore it
Where as in later novels and within the 8th edition space marine codex it states that marines are incapable of fear
This could have been used to stretch the truth of the purity of the grey knights chapter
"Just because it is canon does not mean it is true"
I agree, I also viewes the codex information to almost in-universe propoganda for each of the factions. The 'incapable of fear' is almost certainly hyperbole.
It was The Emperor's command that they shall know no fear.
Any Marine acting as a coward should be executed immediately for not following His command.
The Word Bears books have a Chaos Space Marine beg to be killed as he feels the Genestealer they fought altering his genetics.
HERESY
Everything is canon. Not everything is true.
one of them literally wields a Daemon-Weapon into battle and the sheer fact that Kaldor Draigo's a thing
Plus the fact that they killed some Battle Sisters instead of just asking for some blood.
Jacob Valentin the Bloodtide was retconned wasn’t it?
Someone called for me I heard my name
@@invaderHUNK yes. It was but the sisters still died. They held the flank long enough for the strike force to close the source of the incursion.
@@jaredmiller9021 Additionally, they're fighting a losing, very one sided battle. The warp is endless, the Grey Knights are few. They can kill 1:1000 Daemons and still never win. There's more to it than I care to put into a comment, but people often do not give the credit that the Grey Knights have the hardest, most impossible, most grim dark future that awaits them. Total failure will be the end of their mission, but that's not for a lack of trying or ability, but rather the inevitability that heretical filth such as General Coma create more Slaaneshi daemons whenever they wank off in the corner.
The answer is Yes! and Doubt is heresy!
After all that warpdust, i'm pretty sure Kaldor Draigo is beyond salvation.
that fine ass warp dust!
He lives to vanquish all daemons and low quality razors.
@@rustyzipper19 have you made a visit to his ear?
@@chriscormac231 Or seen the tiny men in his beard?
I honestly believe that maybe the Grey Knights are taking straight from one of the Lost Legion Primarchs. Which is why they are sooo secretive.
Or Alpha Legion Loyalists
@@John-Stark Ehhh, I doubt that.
Not unless those Primarchs were designed by the Emperor for the sole purpose of being utterly incorruptible to the forces of the Warp, which if he was that worried about it he would've given that trait to every Primarch
The reason why Grey Knights is a secretive chapter is:
1. They're connected to the Lost Primarch as geneseed directly from the Emperor is impossible for the Emperor is multiple person such as shamans and could lose their minds.
2. Remember what is the reference to the Lost Primarchs; The Forgotten and The Forsaken, and Grey Knights is Forgotten as it was so very secretive that if anyone remember them would executed so that they would be total secretive.
3. Remember Malcador founded the Grey Knights and he gave the sword of the General of the Emperor in whom forge by the Emperor himself in which seems to be the General is resemblance to the Primarch
Note: Sorry for my grammar
@@kyrasazrael1248 You're forgetting that the Primarchs were modified clones of the Emperor, so genetic modifications derived from his genome are not only possible but were crucial to his plan, so gene-seed taken from his own genome would be very possible, simply being gene-seed taken from its original, pure source rather than a heavily modified derivative thereof
Great video and I’m a fan of your work, but you forgot about the gray knight from the omnibus, who allowed himself to become corrupted in the third book. In addition, there is also the gray knight that abandon captured at the end of the Pandora’s novel. The gray knight he captured was one of the original founders, who originated from the gray knights.
indeed epimetheus was captured by abaddon, but we don't know exactly his fate after that, maybe abaddon was only after his pure "first generation" geneseed and kept him alive to harvest it. I don't think there has been any advancement on that particular story so far sadly...
wizzolo We don’t know his exact fate. But we can assume that Avedon and his servants did not just kill him out right. Am I right in saying that unleashing a possessed gray knight Into the field of battle would cripple the faith and morale of any space marine or gray night that was to encounter him. Especially the Astro militarum.
What?! Alaric was not corrupted in the third book!
Asmodai is looking for Epimetheus(Rage of Asmodai)
@@user-ud8ux9cr8m Indeed
Going by the Khornate Knights and their habit of painting their armor with Sororitas blood, I’m gonna go with “no”.
Then, there’s the Dreadknight. Only the twisted minds of the Ruinous Powers could come up with so silly a design.
@ IamDeadToast
Care to explain? I am more of a Guard type and not really familiar with Dreadknights. I only know that they are more of an exoskeleton, have the ability to increase psychic powers and look like something pulled out of Gundam Wing.
@Furzkampfbomber
Certainly. Firstly, it looks silly. Like, “the pilot looks like he’s in a baby carrier” silly. Add that to the hodgepodge look that more resembles a Penitent Engine than anything else the Grey Knights field, and I’m certain you could see why it’s an easy design to make fun of.
As far as crunch goes, the Dreadknight only gets Terminator armor saves and since the pilot already appears to be wearing Terminator armor, that seems to mean that anyone that can shoot straight, and some very lucky Orks, are just popping the very exposed pilot. There’s also the little issue of Techmarines being able to repair Dreadnoughts, but not Dreadknights - again, because everyone just shoots the driver.
But, like you said, it has its strengths in spite of its hilariously ugly design. If nothing else, they make for fine DISTRACTION CARNIFEXES.
@@Furzkampfbomber look up penitent engine.
Sonofabitch. It may look stupid but works.
@@Dreska_ The dreadknight is only a harness to increase the user's strength. It's not meant to be armour. It's like a powerfist in suit form.
First impressions from title alone:
I would say yes, they are corruptible. But not easily enough to even be attempted. Similar to corrupting the Tau, its far too difficult to be worth it. Just kill them.
Off hand I can vaguely remember a story of a grey knight traveling to the realm of Slaanesh to fight him/her one on one. He made it through he actually made it Slaanesh he did in fact bend the knee instead of engaging in combat.
It only took the full force of Slaanesh to turn a single grey knight.
Post watch:
Hey hey, would ya look at that.
I was never quite sure who that warrior was who faced Slaanesh in his own palace, but it would make sense for it to be a Grey Knight, only they would have the sheer purity to make it that far
The Grey Knight who travelled to the Prince of Excess' Palace is dead because before he became corrupted he kill himself instead of being corrupted
Could Grey Knight gene seed actually be from the Angel (proto-primarch) by any chance? I mean, he was also made to combat daemons/chaos.
No its directly from the emperor - which makes the grey knights even more ridiculous
The Angel?
Elder Fenris. It’s from a book, basically a proto-Primarch made from the emperor that was a powerful anti-chaos warrior. Unfortunately, he started killing humans for being too corrupted by chaos. As in normal humans not actually corrupted by chaos. The GOD-EMPEROR had to make a coffin lined with DAEMON FLESH to stop The Angel. The Emperor used the information from him to make better Primarchs less likely to just kill civilians for no reason (Angron, Konrad Cruse)
Look at the video called the Proto-Primarch for the dinosaur robots channel.
That said no it’s likely not possible that the grey knights are from the Angels genes as The Angel got sealed away by the emperor before the Primarchs where ‘born’
Seven Clovers thanks for the information!
Like all things made by man, some are good, some are bad. I would say that no grey knights are immune to corruption. Their training provided only grants them the skills and fortitude to withstand corruption, whether they submit it to is entirely a different matter.
if they are still human they are not totally immune to corruption. Their advantage might be that they are as far as possible away from being human in comparison to other chapters.
@@phreakazoith2237 They are definitely humans. Even the emperor is technically still human.
*BLAM* by Commissar nearby. Executed for heresy by insinuating that the emperor is not a God but a man.
This reminds me of my idea for a Homebrew Grey Knight thing to make me want them. The Knights Umbra. A group of Grey Knights who actually fell and we're exhiled to retain the Chapter's honor into the Warp as a form of pentitant crusade. But they were able to fight their way out and made the realization of "we may have become shadows of our former Grey Knight heraldry, but we are not below giving up." So they keep going as a somewhat successor Chapter wearing black instead of grey.
I may just steal this idea
The BLACK knights!
@@Commanderhurtz1 basically
Love it, that is kinda awesome
On the table top they die superfast when fighting deamons
The lore ... It was interesting and for a side army of mine, inspires me to try them out one last time
Greetings random son of mine
@@rogaldorn8394 is that you my primarch?
Truly?
Some Imperial Fist Of Dorn yes
and that is why Chaos will crush you Grey Fiends! until you guys get some Sororitas backup and we ONLY bring Daemons and no CSM's.
@Legion of the damned he hates you all and the cult you built around him.
Yes. As long as they have a tanker full of sister's blood.
Please let this not be thing and if it is is it retcon cause what writer would do this and also the sisters are one of my favorite factions because of how much heresy memes had been borned
SOB:"ohgodnotthisshitagain" - *SPLAT*
Yes commissar, this video. Right here!
I see it guardsman ofcourse I shall have to purge you as well, must maintain secrecy of this occurrence after all. You understand ofcourse. BLAM!!!.
Every single video you make is fascinating. Your narration is top notch!
Love the content but I feel compelled to say that the theme music sounds like the kind of thing I would hear on a history show in the middle of the day in the 90's when I was off school sick.
To me, the Intel's quality kinda dropped....
It's possible for a grey knight to be corrupted by chaos. The fact that only Castellan Crowe can wield Antwyr, is evidence to me that Greyknights can be corrupted.
We have to understand that, the majority of text on the prowess of Greyknights and Spacemarines alike, are propaganda mixed in with the lore. Especially in the codexes. Being uncorruptible is propaganda and based off the fact that if there were records of a greyknight being corrupted, we haven't seen it yet or it hasn't been official reported yet. It may never be reported official just because of the fall out and back lash of what possibility of a greyknight being corrupted could mean and what it may speak of the Emperor. I theorize that the Emperor that made a bargain with the Chaos gods to make the primarchs isn't the same as the one that came back from the warp to initiate the Primaris project. I theorize he is a chaos god hell bent on being the only one god and wants to starve off all the other chaos gods. The heretic astartes don't quote "death to the false Emperor" for nothing. This very statement suggests the Emperor is an imposter and not just someone who's authority they resist. But all of this is for another video I suppose. 😉
But a flaw of a greyknight would point at a flaw within the Emperor. A Primarch being flawed isn't a direct correlation between to a greyknight potentially being flawed because a Primarch was mixed with the geneseed of the Emperor and chaos. A grey knight is a mix between the Emperor's genes, a primarchs genes, and will and soul to be nothing but loyal to the Emperor. But this still doesn't make them incorruptible. It just means that the reason a Primarch is corruptible isn't the same reason a greyknight maybe corruptible. A Primarch is corruptible mainly because chaos was planted within them since gestation for one.
But back on topic. When it comes to propaganda, we know the infallible perfection of the Emperor is propaganda, because the Emperor has done many imperfect things.
Typically anything spoken in absolutes in 40k is either just boasting or the propaganda of a species. (I.e. can not die, unbeatable, incorruptible, unstoppable).
Speaking of propaganda. Knowing how faith, believe and the warp works isn't it possible that by growing this believe that they would actually accomplish it in the end?
I mean since they have been revealed, the Imperium might as well make them sound like the second best thing after sliced bread.
*insert painful bread slicing machine and cyberdong joke*
@@TheLastVoodooMan I think the way the warp works, they would need a ton of people to believe that way over thousands of years causing the warp to coalesce into creating a chaos God of incorruptibility, which would feed off the emotions of incorruptibility and seek to kill any and everything that's corrupted. He wouldn't be a very nice god to meet I don't think. Besides I think it's so little faith and incorruption in the Galaxy, that such a god could never get it's feet off the ground. The Emperor although, has souls being fed right into him with no chance of reaching the warp. A thousand a day for over a millennia, along with the backing off faith and dogma to back up the possible birth of a star child. There even appears to be more and more physical manifestations of the Emperor cropping up and showing up in various places. Makes me thing something will happen with the Emperor by 40k edition 10 or 11. A trembling in the warp has already started.
the falling could call death to the false emperor because the chaos god they follow becomes they're new emperor
@@ufoe20011 that's could be true... But do they ever call anyone or anything else the true Emperor?
Okay try this since the emperor tried to starve the chaos gods by turn humans to pure science. And his installment into the golden throne he has become a god like being so by calling him the false emperor they are trying break the belief in him.
My theory is that one or more of the Grey Knights' 666 initiation rituals is used to establish a permanent psychic link with the Emperor who bestows a level of protection against Chaos.
It's what keeps Astropaths from being as much a liability as other Psykers (at the cost of their eyes and likely a big part of their minds) so I could see it being a thing.
🤔
At the end was that a reference to the silver knight story slaanesh and what is theorized to be kaldor draigo
No, Draigo is too much occupied by sniffing Warp Dust.
Pls don’t talk about my past *sniffs warp dust*
Is that why the Masque was shocked Drago stabbed the shit out of her/him at Khaine's Gate?
In Hammer of Daemons we get the closest to a Grey Knight being corrupted by far. Justicar Alaric is trapped on a Khornate Daemon world, is forced to fight gladiatorial combat while wearing a Khornate collar which negates any pysker abilities the Grey Knights, which alone makes him more vulnerable to corruption as Alaric himself admits in the book. And if that wasn't enough, the bad guy, some evil duke, tried to get Alaric possessed by a Daemon of Tzeentch and while Alaric pulls through, it exhausted him so much it MADE HIM INSANE. For a time anyway, and while he was insane he basically became a Berzerker, just not outright dedicated to Khorne but still pretty much a Berzerker, even getting some type of Chaotic tattoo on him during this time. Hell, Alaric himself wasn't able to stabilize on his own, an Eldar character who was with the group had to pitch in so they'd both survive.
If that doesn't stretch the incorruptible claim, idk what will. Hell by some definitions, you could say for a time a Grey Knight was in fact corrupted, just by having his mind broken, not by a true choice.
Knight of Slaanesh?
Its stated a couple of times in 'Castellan' that 'normal' Grey Knights (Terminators) wince when near Antwyr.
It’s a school night, one in the morning, and I’m gonna watch some heretical video in the Emperors names just to criticize it cause Warhammer... seems legit.
an individual Grey Knight may not be immune to corruption, but considering that they are carefully monitored it's not likely to happen because should any of them start to show any signs of corruption, that individual would be purged.
If the Exorcists are invisible to demons, the Grey Knights are a giant middle finger.
Corruption is what happens when the Grey Knights apply lower standards to recruitment with the Excorcist Chapter. They might as well start recruiting Necrons and Tau.
Hopefully we only get mind wiped after watching this and not shot in the back of the head.
hope dies last. unless hope meets a Grey Knight
Why did you say mindwipe twice?
@ Ugly Weirdo
He said what? And who is "he" anyway? Why am I writing this?
@@FurzkampfbomberI dont know why but everytime I wake up from one of these mind wipes my butt hurts.
@ thcdreams654
He remembers his mindwipe! This time he gets a permanent one, commissar, we need you and your bolt pistol for a minute...
Short answer no
Can the Necron flayer virus infect other species?
No, its actually a curse not a virus.
That’s all said and well but in the novel the devourer a cryptek witnessed a Necron Spyder become infected with the flayer curse/virus and Spyders are necron automata
What about the Silver Knight Of Slaanesh?
But there lots of chapters that have silver
It’s not me
If you read the gray knights omnibus, that features Alaric the Justicar,he is fitted with a collar of khorne and is possessed by a demon but later purges it from himself when the collar is removed, and he is able to return to the gray knights.
I have never been so early to one of your videos! PRASE THE THRONE! A good way to fall asleep is with a theory!
Also a question, what would happen if the Sword of Antwir and Drach’nyen were to clash with each other?
The fact that it is possible that exorcists can fall to chaos prove that they are descend from the word bearers that the grey knights.
I've always felt like the Grey Knights being "incorruptible" came not from arbitrary immunity, but from having every aspect of their being devoted solely to resisting temptation, not so much as allowing it purchase upon their minds. The Grey Knights may be colloquially known as incorruptible, but the many safeguards within their own Chapter (such as the rigorous requirements to become a Purifier, or the librarians standing guard over the Sanctum Sanctorum) prove that they do not even trust members of their own Chapter to be immune to daemonic influence and thus they stand perpetually on guard against it... and that's their truest strength, knowing how vulnerable they can be, and by sheer force of will never allowing the enemy a chance to slip past their guard
the issue with 40k is that it is difficult to separate "the hype", from whats real. one moment they'll tell you that space marines are incapable of fear, and the next moment a custodes is watching big E get gored by the echo of the first murder and it scares the hell out of him.. (who could blame him though lol) I'm sure that space marines are far more RESISTANT to fear then a human, but if they are to be believable characters and not just a bunch of silly mary sue's in power armor then they still need to have a mostly full range of understandable human emotions and flaws. it's the same question as "could a custodes fall to chaos" sure probably, its just extremely unlikely he would, and that if he did it would be very difficult for him to continue living for any length of time.
Chuck that sword into a black hole. Indestructible or not, it'd be trapped for eternity lol
Mr. 40K Theories, this video and its question has piqued the interest of certain organizations within the Imperium. The Inquisition is sending an Interrogator team lead by The Rupert to get to the bottom of this and.....clear your good name. Please stay where you are until their arrival.
Careful JohnnyNismo, 40K Theories is really Lord Inquisitor Remleiz of the ordo Theoreticus.
The Rupert, eh? Wonder if the guardsmen are going with him.
@@robertnelson9599 Inquisitors have fallen before. No one is above the judgement of the Inquisition.
@@azrael1263 perhaps, but only an inquisitor lord can judge another inquisitor lord
@ AC Kelshaw
Oh, everyone can _judge_ an inquisitor. The question is just what will happen next.
They can't resist if they encounter slaanesh face to face, as i assume the silver knight (who entered slaanesh' "home" managed to get through all the challenges of slaanesh, but immediately kneeled before slaanesh when he encountered it.) Was a grey knight. Which strengthens the theory that no one can resist the horrible perfection of slaanesh.
Saying the Grey Knights are immune to corruption is kind of like saying the Death Guard were immune to disease.
There are three ways I would imagine a Grey Knight falling to corruption, the first is constant torture, not regular torture, i'm talking about the level of shit that finally got Mortarion to give himself and his legion to Nurgal, i'm talking constant and unending mental and physical pain of the absolute worst form that they would have no ability to bring to an end or the ability to end their own lives to make stop.
The second is the "Frog in a boiling pot" method, a slow, gradual, and unnoticed corruption as they are made to do more and more corrupt things over a long period of time until it becomes normal.
The last is a "It's for the greater good" style of corruption, where the grey knight in question must choose between becoming corrupt and something they would wish to save from destruction, corruption, ect.
the grey knights also have runes etched into every inch of the inside of thier power armor that burns when the taint of chaos is around them, when chapter master mandulis of the grey knights had slain Ghargatuloth the runes inside the armor left burn marks on Mandulis's bones as stated in the book by Ben Counter, Grey Knights, so i feel if a grey knight did become chaos corrupted in that moment those runes inside thier own armor would burn them to death
the 666th chapter that has there aspirants go through 666 trials hu..... I couldn't imagine a reason why we would ever hear of their corruption.
There is a story in the 8th edition Chaos Daemons codex of a ‘silver knight’ that managed to travel through the outer rings in Slaanesh’s domain only to falter and kneel when he got to Slaanesh. Pretty sure it is a reference to a Grey Knight
True, but then again it is never stated outright to be a Grey Knight therefore could be one of any other space marine chapters who wear silver armour.
@40K Theories Since when has that stopped you guys from reporting on something?
Edit: I mean, there are some videos where you guys go: “is this background character really super important character because they both wear blue hats?”
Love the video. I have for sometime thought of Chaos Corruption as not a matter of if, but when usually. If I have to place a bet on how at least one Grey Knight falls to the Ruinous Powers, I’d say the Blade of Antwyr influencing a new Warden or some of the standard Knights prolonged exposure to in battle being the most likely.
Gene stealer's corruption is shown as potent enough to corrupt a space marine. One of book in word bearer series, Marduk's terminator brother was infected with genestealer gene and dark mechanicus tech priest told them his geneseed is corrupt. So in that remark, brother asks for execution.
The Silver Knight of Slaanesh is the story of a Grey Knight corrupted by Chaos. A Grey Knight powerful enough to invade the Realm of She Who Thirsts. Only one Grey Knight fits that description. Kaldor Draigo.
I’m sure that were one of the Grey Knights to fall to Chaos, it would be a major event detailed in some official narrative from GW.
There was a story that a Grey Knight had a hint of doubt in what he was doing when he was ordered to kill all of the escaping planet ships just because there was a slight chance that the Changeling might be on one of the ships, suggesting that he might be corrupted at a later date.
Though I’m not a big fan of the grey knights but questioning their loyalty… unacceptable, the geneseed of the Emperor does not have flaws.
Remember that Horus, Fulgrim, Angron, Lorgar, Magnus, Perturabo, Curze and Alpharius/Omegon were also derived from the Emperor's DNA ;)
@@40KTheories and that’s why no one likes them
dunno about the genestealer part, i think taking control of someone with warp based powers is not corruption because the one being aflicted doesnt have to ''give in'' to any temptation its more akeen to overpowering someone physically in my opinion, that was the same as if a huge tiranyd had won in some melee fight against the grey knight, and it shows because he himself requested an execution instead of remaining corrupted, because once the genestealer was dead the influence was no more, so personally i think it doesnt count, that shows greyknights are defeatable but not corruptable imo
Unless there is control methods that have not been mentioned in the novels and I think it is possible for individual great night's to fall to chaos. However the great nights as a whole would never embrace chaos.
The Grey Knights even took on the Daemon Prinarch Angron (think gamma irradiated Conan the Barbarian)...a lot of those memories (e.g. persecution and mistreatment) they'd probably WANT erased. | 3:20 - They're certainly more resistant than most, but like the Sisters of Battle that gets formed later...immunity is debateable.
One of them has been blinded, dismembered, mutilated, stitched to a null and left in the bowels of the vengeful spirit for an unimaginable length of time and still hasn't succumbed to chaos. If not truly incorruptible I'd say they're fairly close to it.
True, but everyone has their limits before they break ;)
Question (Hypothetical): If a race of machines, not unlike the TRANSFORMERS, had found and STC and kept it in good working order, then if the Imperium of Man learned of this would they at least ask for their lost technology back or would they just throw down everything to acquire the first known example of a fully intact STC.
My feeling is they would throw everything at them without thinking that these machines may be more advanced on their own than the STC can provide them (Cybertronians are essentially living technology, after all) , or they learned most of or even everything they are form the STC. Worse for the IoM, the Cybertronians could easily deduce how much of a problem the IoM would become for everyone everywhere, if they got this device. But they might also have strategies that counter anything the STC can provide the IoM.
So, the second question becomes would the Cybertronians willingly hand over the device or refuse citing humanity's projected threat to the Cybertronians and everyone else. Worse, knowing how dangerous the IoM is, would the Cybertronians even bother answering and just attack and summarily destroy the STC?
Obviously, the IoM would attack to get the STC and likely try to stamp out a stronghold of "Men of Iron". I am just curious if anyone has any other idea as to how this scenario could play out
Even if it is in the realm of possibility in the lore, I still really hope they never explore this in Cannon novels. It would massively take away from the very identity of the Grey Knights
You can’t really corrupt someone if they’re too busy burying a large sword into your face.
No mention of Brother Brutus from the (6th? 7th?) edition Chaos Daemon Codex, page 45?
I think the Chaos Entity “Master of Mankind” will elevate the Grey Knights into as servants of the Warp in his image.
Shout out to Stephanie Swanson✊🏽
The genestealer thing is still a form of mind control, while falling to Chaos is an actual corruption of one´s soul and mind.
Edit: by the way i got a call from the Ordo Malleus just now, they want you to meet with a representative on a black ship on your nearest spaceport.
how to beat chaos... make everyone believe theyre all dead and no one is corruptible anymore
Jeans stealers can evolve with their assimilation techniques to be what some effective on Astarties... Maybe that guy was not wearing his helmet, so the Jeans stealers efdected his genome... thus he was not himself anymore, he was not Grey Knight anymore...
Question that popped into my mind with this video... Has a Blank ever fallen to Chaos? Also would a Blank just cause Ork weapons to stop fully working?
Technically yes there has, there was the assassin known as 'Spear' from the novel 'Nemesis'.
@@40KTheories We must weaponize Blanks as combat tools, much like Nurgle's Blightbombs for Death Guard so must we weaponize Blankbombs for banishing deamons on the spot and making ork Nob's pants fall off!
wait, he can't put the sword down? Not even to like... eat a sandwich?
If it were at all possible to corrupt them, I'd imagine any Grey Knights that faltered even slightly would not hesitate to end his own life. However the lore I've read seems to indicate that any recruit that failed to show anything less absolute contempt for Chaos would be weeded out by the 666 trials before they could ever become a full fledged astartes.
If I remember correctly, there is some apocryphal information about Grey Knights being corrupted, but unfortunately I can’t remember the source at the time of writing this.
The best of the best of the best, sir!
If their gene seeds are from the Emperor, then they should be on the same power level of the primarchs and have army leveling psychic might. Its probably a gene seed from one of the lost primarchs which the Inquisition found too useful in the fight against chaos to throw away.
Clicked on this video faster than a tech priest grabs a cyberdong
Were any of the Primarchs minds actually corrupted without them deciding it to happen?
In that case, since the Primarchs were more of free mindset than the combat hypnotized mass production Astartes, comparing them to the memory wiped over-the-top hypnotized Grey Knights doesn't mean much.
A Grey Knight, or what the heck even the Emperor Himself, could decide to let a demon "possess" one's body but the soul would forever stay anathema to the demon.
as always great work thank you
I don't know specific details of their training but that is stated to be part of the reason why they are 'immune' to corruption, not just geneseed. Primarchs were corrupted through various means and were not specifically created to resist warp influences (of which they are partly made of) which is not the case the GK. It's not as good comparison a comparison as the video makes it out to be. Hell, primarchs weren't even supposed to know about the warp for fear of the consequences while GK's were brought up on using the warp against demons like chanting their true names.
Good stuff! Just finished reading Castellan myself! It's a decent read, a page turner, and I don't know why it gets so many bad reviews! Definitely not as good as anything in the Grey Knights Omnibus. But that's no surprise, as I feel that Ben Counter is the very best of the Warhammer 40K authors. I'm actually reading The Emperor's Gift right now, which isn't as good as Castellan. Like Death Watch, the Grey Knights can be saviors as well as utterly ruthless murderers, having no problem wiping out Imperial regiments just for having witnessed the actions of chaos, or even knowing of the Grey Knights existence, or of kidnapping millions upon millions of children to test their potential to become Grey Knights, and then brutally disposing of the vast majority of them!
The Grey Knights *could* be corrputed, but it'd take the direct attention a greater warp entity. It's somethinf that really wouldn't happen unless something really stupid was happening.
I'll go with no, but they are pretty damn close.
Please do a video on the Months of Shame
im surprised Kaldor Draigo didnt tie into this somehow. i recall a video covering how he could potentially be the silver knight that slaanesh has under its control. that right there would be ultimately your corrupted grey knight, if indeed that is the case.
Cormac Bevins ummm no
In the 8th edition Chaos Daemon codex, there's a story of a Grey Knight falling to Slaanesh. Granted, he was in the literal presence of the god him/herself when it happened, but this does show that under certain conditions, it can happen. Interestingly enough, the story also shows that Space Marines, even ones as disciplined and devout as the Grey Knights, can and do experience sexual temptation.
In fairness the Silver Knight was never confirmed to be a Grey Knight specifically to my knowledge.
@@40KTheories Maybe not directly, but as their is a small section on one page dedicated to the Grey Knights, as well as simply having the name Silver Knight, it's heavily implied that that's what he is.
@@40KTheories True, he may have been some standalone specialist, or the last survivor of his chapter.
Great video 40k Theories, and a knight of darkness
Given the disdain with which Adeptes Custodes regard Space Marines, how do they feel about Grey Knights?
I think the one who will ever find out that there has been a corrupted grey knight:
1. Will be executed
2. His family, too.
3. His neighbors
4. The neighbors neighbors
5. His block..... make it the whole city.
6. Whatever, kill the planet and the moons.....
7. Declare a Waaagh i mean crusade to the whole sector.
1-6 will be done only for knowing grey knight exists....
An idea for a theory: What happens when you are captured by the Emperor's Children?
Why would they cary the sword with them? Why not just launch it into the star of a dead system?
I still can't get past the fact that during the War of the Beast, the Inquisition would have rather let Terra fall than reveal the Grey Knights.
Question: so we know that at least one Grey Knight got close enough to Slaanesh to kill her. If the imperium were to send, say, a f@ckton of robots/servitors or the most incorruptible Knights they have, could they kill her? Would they even be able to hold out long enough to do so?
I been in multiple forums about 40k and some 40k videos, I have notice that the fans of the emperor are way more hostile and tend to be more offensive toward alien or chaos fans, meanwhile alien or chaos fans tend to be way more nice and friendlier
Given enough time and pressure anything will break. The Grey Knights won't be that exception.
Good video, but I think there is something you forget when it comes to the Grey Knights, but it seems to be a common mistake.
Focusing on Nature while forgetting Nuture. The Genetic background of the Grey Knights might not be what makes the incorruptible, but rather the culture in which they belong to is.
Likewise, their stringent recruitment process and brutal training would naturally weed out the weak while fortifying the mental strength of those who pass.
would be fun if in fact once a grey knight falls and becomes a demon. the rituals kick in and he suddenly becomes a "positive" demon (aka angel) instead of a chaos worshipper. showing that even such measures would inevitably just turn them into pure warp energy that still fights for the emperor
I'm doing a conversion of a Grey Knight into a night lords champion
you forgot to mention Alaric, a grey knight who DID fall to chaos after he was shackled with a device that shut of his psychic abilities
Would the chapter recognise a taint early enough? Having an attitude of "it never happens" might lead to ignoring stuff huh? Have there been Grey Knights being executed for potential taint? or doubts concerning their purity? or because they were under the influence of a taint even if it's not sure if they were tainted themselves?
To believe one is incorruptible is the beginnings of corruption.
There's a difference between not having fallen and not being able to fall. The Grey Knights are certainly the former but until it happens there's no difference between the two.
Fuh-whaaaaaat?! Capable of being corrupted?! I sense Heresy afoot on this Channel!:)
I think it's Emperor of Mankind, a demon mentions that the stars and universe would be long since dust before it could corrupt a Grey Knight so it's as good as no
Even genestealers will have a tough time to get a great night chaos would having a fun time with them