2020 BMW F900R | How Sporty Is It?
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- čas přidán 14. 02. 2020
- BMW wants a bigger piece of that middleweight naked pie. Come along with me and let's see if we can figure out just how big that piece will get.
I would like to personally thank Christian at Motorsport Burgdorf for giving me this bike for a week so that I was able to get to know the bike and give you guys a better review. Please check them out if you live in the Paderborn, Germany area. Motorsport Burgdorf: www.motorsportburgdorf.de/
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I cant believe what the level of production you reached with the -on the road- external camera! Its following you around, shooting from various angles, turns to show the points of interest as you re talking about them! Since day one, the video quality was top notch but you re evolving, setting the standard! Love your presentation too, but I would like more -on the road- captures! Thank you for the review!
Thank you Nestoras.
I appreciate your comment so much that I've pinned it, so that it will stay on top and I can read it every time. 😊
Take care,
Scott
That was the first thing that came in my mind. Amazing video quality, I am totally surprized! Good job!
Scott, thank you for your videos. Your down to earth, chilled videos are fantastic. Educational with a nice touch of humor. Your voice is perfect for this type of stuff.
Very well explained information without the hype like most reviews out there.
Very much enjoy your videos and have actually bought a couple of bikes thanks to your reviews.
Greetings from Spain. Keep it going. Thank you. Oli
Hi Scott, I'm one of your new fans, I subscribed last week, currently I'm on a marathon watching all of your videos, going from recent to 2018.
Love your voice, very calm, precise reviews, honest and superb use of video tech. I'm a huge BMW fan and ur reviews made me feel more confident and comfortable with European bikes especially with BMW compared with Japanese. 👍😊🤗 Thank you so much.
I’m clearly gonna get a BMW…People get wedding gifts I promised myself that once I’m divorced I’m getting myself a divorce gift and it’s going to be a BMW 1200 or 1250 or 900 it’s going to be a BMW
Happy Divorce, mate!
you can afford stuff after divorce?! you did well then :-)
Bro, if you got a 1200 or 1300 I'd say it's a touring bike. Very heavy. Just got an mt09, and it is wicked fast up to 150mph stock. Already got the m4 exhaust, just need the power commander 5, air intake and a tune. Only reason to go bigger is if youre going to the track. Theres no reason to leave 5th gear in the streets.
@@jerryp1392 don't need 150mph for a great street bike. My R1200R has massive low down tourq and acceleration is very thrilling plus a great touring ride!
Great review! I love the lean angle gauge and how it keeps the lowest angle saved. Great stuff!
A really clear and honest review .I think people can get wrapped up in how much horsepeower is there . For me personally it's always been about great torque in the lower rev ranges .
Another great review...you are up there with Lamb Chops in terms of enjoyable feed back....keep it going
As always, a very honest review from the only one "Asmr motorcyclist" enthusiast, here on youtube. Always a pleasure, Sir!
Maybe I should start my own ASMR channel! LOL!
I really like your reviews, you have a nice laid back style . You now have my sub.
Really upped the game with the 360-degree camera. I really learned a lot about this and the sister bike from you.
Thanks Scott.
I'm learning how to use it, where to place it, how to mount it...etc. It's a process that takes time, I hope it will get better and better with each video.
Take care,
Scott
Another great video and review!! Thanks Scott!
Great Review! Thanks Scott!
Nice evolution of the F800r. I absolutely loved my F800r and only recently traded for an R1200r. This could very well be my next bike. Great all round bike especially combined with the BMW Luggage. Will be tough between this and the F9 XR
I think BMW nailed it with this bike. It's cheap, in a good way, and she looks good too.
She is everything I expected the 85p GS to be.
I'm looking forward to your second video.
Take care Scott!
Great review. I have 1700 miles on mine already. I ride year round and so far so good. Yes, "The torque"
Looks like a winner! Great review!
Excellent video, very full and very well explained 👏👏
Like a lot of variations with the cameras and in this use 360 makes all the sense and results in a great job. It is something I am seriously thinking to do in my videos, my TethaS just does not have an acceptable resolution to use, I must do the upgrade 😉
Strong embrace ✌
So nice bike i love F900R
Good vidéo 👍
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Excellent review as always it's a👍🇦🇺😎
Thanks for the competition spec sheet!
Thanks for another interesting review. Good to have you back again! 😊
Nice shots with the 360 by the way.
Hi Scott,
Nice video as always
Not sure about the 900 R
I think I prefer my Shiver 900...just a thought...
Take care
Marcelo
Great Video could you do a comparison video with the new Kawasaki Z900 please !!!!!
Yeah I love when motorcycle is intuitive. Worst thing is when you ride new bike and the clutch is where rear brake usually is or when instead of breaking the motorcycle is accelerating...
Forget the bike, the Insta360 steals the show. Wow that is cool
Awesome bike
Well done! It's a lovely looking bike. You mentioned the Speed Twin 1200 as a stronger bike...but that is not the case, really. Not in horses anyway. Maybe in torque? Anyway, a welldone review by your one-man-team!
Yes, torque, when it comes to these bigger machines (like the 1200) torque is king 😊
Thank you John,
Ride safe,
Scott
Great review. Shame BMW's just don't do it for me, well maybe the RnineT. Thanks
@NothingToProve… what is the material of the fuel tank on that bike? I went to the showroom to check it, purely based on your review and the bike looks i saw online. To my surprise most of the BMW bikes don’t have metal fuel tanks anymore. Would be glad to have a review on those comparisons. Just to keep the weight low they went that way? But to me it lacked that metal look and got a bit cheaper plastic look… may be it has advantages but couldn’t find much info on that.
Hi there, love your reviews ,very helpfull in every aspects, also just calling your attention for a little mistake about seat hights , 2nd lowest its indeed 31.1in but you got the equivalent in cm wrong, that would be around 79cm or 790mm.and not 820mm . Greetings and keep up the gr8 work.
Thank you bringing that to my attention. I'll have to talk to my audit manager (my wife) and make sure she knows that she missed a fact! 🤣🤣😂
When do you get to ride the new S 1000 XR? greetings from Belgium. Keep up the good work!
I asked my local BMW guys and they said that there is a "delay" in the delivery of the 1000XR, I asked for specifics and all they'd say is "delay" so if I translate what any OEM says, that could mean next week or next year. They don't even know yet. Let's hope for next week...LOL!
Hi nothingtoprove, have you ever posted the extensive review of the f900r, which you mentioned in the above video? Sorry, I can not find it. Would be very interesting to watch.
czcams.com/video/yBbm1WZXOaQ/video.html
No problem, here is the link, this was after having it for a week and I didn't want to give it back. 🤧
You didn't do your slow mo drive by to show rider positioning! I really like that feature in your reviews. Maybe you left it out because this is the "low" suspension version.
Hmmm....choices, choices, F900XR or F900R?
Great review on a great bike Scott. My pick over the XR. Also love your new “off-board” camera; looks fantastic. The only thing I didn’t like was all the tree chopping. I thought only 3rd world countries like 🇦🇺Australia (where I live) cut down forests these days. I always see Germany as the benchmark in environmental practice. Look forward to the long term review.
Those are pine plantations. Basically tree farms, We have those here (also Australian) too. Nothing uncommon there.
Nice chart
Excellent video, Scott! Why do you prefer the R's motor compared with the XR? I think the knee angle doesn't depend on the fact if a bike has got a lower suspension or not. But it depends on the heigth of the seat.
Yea, this one had both, the lower seat too. So my legs were a little cramped.
The R sound is just way better than the XR, the XR sounds d-tuned and the R sounds like it's ready for a fight. It just sounds cooler and it's lighter although not by much but 15kg is 15kg and it just felt like it had more spirit than the XR.
Ride safe,
Scott
Sir can u let me know what software u use to edit u r video please .... keep up the excellent work
Thank you. I use PowerDirector 16.
Ride safe,
Scott
I cant decide on the R or GS. Like biggest debate of my life
in weight it would be better if you mention dry or wet, it will make difference because each manufacturer uses different way
Great review thank you my selection has been narrowed to the BMW 900 R and the KTM 890 Duke Which as of yet I haven’t seen a good review on. By the way Scott what helmet are you sporting with this latest review. And it’s a 360 camera are you using is it because in this latest review everything came in it’s so crystal-clearThanks again for another great review
Yea, I'm looking forward to the first "good" video of the 890 Duke on CZcams too. Sigh. Maybe I'll just have to make one! 😊🤣😁 And soon I hope!
Oh sorry, helmet, Schubert R2. This is my favorite helmet of all time, sharp, quiet, slick and has the Sena communication built right into it with the microphones hidden out of sight. Love it.
360 camera: yea the Insta360 One X was a Christmas present/toy to myself 😁. Oh, I mean equipment for my channel 🤔😜
What are thoughts for F900R for trips that time from time will be 300km to 500km in travel. Or 4 to 6hrs of seat time, yes there will be breaks/stops to take in the scenery.
Riding 2012 Suzuki M50 now. Looking at buying new ride for this season and season to come.
Ride safe, have fun in the wind.
Yea, no problem with trips, the up-right position and comfy ergo's make this the ideal middleweight naked to do those small trips on.
Ride safe,
Scott
Being a twin vs triple in MT-09, does it vibrate more, especially during high-way speeds?
Yes, twins always vibrate more, no getting around that. The MT09 is smooth compared to this.
Good review Scott!
Peak torque at 6500(chart) or 4500(said)?
I prefer 270 degree parallel twins over the big, wide fours. Simple valve adjustment, more ground clearance, lighter, no handlebar buzz, more chug per fire, so much better...except maybe the sound.
87 @ 4,500 & 92 @ 6,500
The massive pull of torque (87) starts at 4,500 RPM and peaks (92) at 6,500 RPM 👍👍👍
Wow! Ok, that firms it up for me...parallel twins all the way!
I got the S1000r and wondering what do you think if compare these two together?
I know the S1000r has more power but power is not everything. Can you point out something between the two? Thanks for great video as always. Big fan :)
Thank you. Just think of the S1000R and then relax, everything and you have the 900R 😁
What model is the helmet you wear in this video? Looks cool!
Schuberth R2 👍😁
Pls do CFmoto 700 reviews pls
Great review Scott, how are you getting those 'out of body experience shots' ?
I asked my guardian angel to hold the camera for me.
Seriously, it's the Insta360 One X that's getting those great shots...on a pole.
@@NothingToProve It's a great addition, really gives that extra perspective of the riding experience. The F900r seems to be the bike i've been waiting for, as a step up from the 310r (when ive outlived the Aus RE licence period, i was hoping that the 800 would be replaced with something worthy - this looks like it
Good to see you back Scott, how do you think the F900 compares to KTM's 790 Duke?
The Duke is lighter and I noticed that right away when I got on the F900. The 900 is more refined, more under control, for lack of a better word, civilized and not wild like the Duke. If I'm going to do a track day, I'd take the Duke without hesitation but if I'm going to do a day ride on the street I'd take this.
They are really two different bikes with two different riding styles but yet they are in the same group. Interesting.
Great review. Have you ridden the Z900 and how would you compare the two? Which one did you prefer?
Not yet, I plan to do so this year and I'll do a review of it and then I can compare the two, well compare to the whole middleweight naked group.
Thank you NothingToProve. I look forward to to that review and the middleweight naked comparison. 😊
the lowest seat height now goes down to 760mm as a factory option from BMW themselves
Again Scott a great review. Question... why do you think the R is better than the XR? I’m looking at the XR here in Oz as a better touring based version. Cheers mate👍🏼
Thanks Andrew, I like this motor a little better in the R than in the XR. I still like the XR, in fact I'm considering buying it this year but my wife doesn't know that yet...lol. It really is that good but I'll know more next week, after a week of riding it and doing the long term review.
NothingToProve 🤫 I won’t tell your wife Scott! Looking forward to your full review! The XR is DEFINITELY on my shopping list too! I considered the 1000XR but I think the 900XR will be more ideal & not as maniacal!!!😈🤣👍🏻
NothingToProve Wouldn’t you want to wait a year or two before buying an all-new bike to make sure they don’t have issues? Also, it seems the manufacturers often come out with updates in a short time on new models. A few I can think of are the Honda CB1100, the 1000 Ninja, the NC750X and the Triumph Street Twin. I’m glad I didn’t buy any of those bikes in their first or second year.
Scott, how does this F900R compare with the F750GS -? I'm torn between the two
ADV or naked, just depends on what you want, I like them both for what they do but I love the looks of the 900R
I love middleweight naked pie ha ha :-)
Is it too heavy?
Is listed price of the f900 for the base model? I noticed the blurb about the Z900 engine being too big for the comparison, but come on now. It's firmly in this market segment. It is technically closer to a 900 than it is to being a full blown literbike. 🙂
Yes, base prices. I realize that this is an emotional response, which most guys are emotional about motorcycles, as I am too, so I was willing to leave the rest of your comment alone but you said "technically closer". Since you said technically, let's have a look at the numbers and see what they say 😁👍
Supernaked - 3 smallest: 998/998/999cc = MT-10/ZH2/S1000R at 160/200/165hp
Kawasaki Z900: 948cc at 124hp
Midleweight Naked - 3 Biggest: 895/890/889 = F900R/MT09/890Duke at 105/117/119hp
Now which is the Z900 closest too? And I'm not even going to mention the smaller 765cc Street Triple or the Suzuki S750, at 121/114hp.
The Z900 does not belong in either group, the Z800 did but the Z900 now pushes it closer to the supernaked group. Technically by the numbers.
Now you understand why I made the comment 😁👍
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProveoh no emotional response here, brother. Just talking bikes.
I can see where you're coming from, but I was thinking more along the lines of a "900" class, which would include the mt09, f900, 890, Shiver. I tell ya, there are a lot of grey areas as far as categorizing bikes. Can't really do Light, Middle, Full Size anymore. When we have a Tuono 660 Ptwin making power coming up to the F900 and the Duke 790 and at just 183 kilos, bikes are spanning between niches. But I figured the Z900 would fit with the other 900s, with its extra zip offsetting its extra heft. I guessed the z1000 would be more for the supernakeds.
You ride way more bikes than I do, though. Hence the brain pick.
@@NothingToProve oh and the technical part was simply because 948cc is closer to 900 than it is to 1000, 😉
Damn my 1250gsa doesnt have that kind of tft! :) BMW! I want to see lean angle! :P
Yea, I'm lovin' that on this. It's just brilliant!
I know this is a different class but question I have is did you have more fun on this one or on Suzuki SV650?
SV650! It's just so much more playful.
I took a demo from my local BMW dealer today and after three hours my hands were kind of soaring, I think I like better the F900XR up right position... but can’t wait to try Suzuki though. Great job on reviewing them here!
Street triple rs or the f900r? I know both are no beginner bikes but I turned thirty and im going to have it for at least 3 years.. although I think the street triple is the better bike I somehow still really like the bmw too
Well, the focus is on two different things. ST focus in on performance, the 900R focus is on comfort/ride-ability. Just depends on what you are looking for in a bike.
You'll be happy with either bike. Good luck with your decision. :)
NothingToProve thanks a lot! U think I will limit myself learning because of the torque those bikes have or it will be too intimidating for a beginner ?
Well, we have a saying, "power corrupts" for a reason. But as long as you don't let the power get to your head, you should be fine.
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9:12 Future Scott says there is a thing or two to complain about 🙃
How many Fig Newton meters? Thnx NTP !!
the more the better 🤣🤣🤣😁
I like your diction, nice 👍🏻 job!!!
2021 MT09 SP or this bike? Please advise? thank you
depends on what you are looking for in a bike? please advise.
@@NothingToProve It will be my only bike, mainly used for commuting on the freeway for at least 40 mins and maybe one track day a year. I currently have a ninja 400 but I need more power on the freeway. Been looking at the Triumph trident or Honda CB650R but they said its better if I go towards MT09, street triple, duke 890 size bikes. Thanks for the reply, really loved tour videos.
Ok, commuting, freeway and I'm assuming a day or half day rides here and there too. So 99.9% of the time will be spent on the street doing mundane everyday riding. And 0.1% of the time "maybe" a track day.
What you should do is get the bike that will serve your needs now and not what you think you'll do with it. And if one day those needs/wants expand then you can re-evaluate then...if it ever happens.
After some time, you won't want to be doing highway on any of these bikes, especially commuting, highway is ok occasionally on a naked but 40 mins every day, that will get old real fast (no wind protection) and soon you'll be finding yourself not taking the bike to work and driving a car (been there done that). So, you will probably end up getting an after-market wind shield for it. So google pictures of those bikes with after market screens on them and go from there.
Triumph, Honda, BMW, Yamaha, they are all good bikes and anyone of them will make you happy. The Duke, 09 & BMW have crazy amounts of torque everywhere and you'll soon grow addicted to that torque. The Trident & 650R are more relaxed in power and attitude. But the BMW will do both, I was actually fascinated with how that bike will do both and it did whatever I was in the mood to do.
Hope this helps, take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve Thank you so much for your time and for sharing your sincere advise. I really appreciate it. I will look for more bikes that might suit my needs. Will update you which one I will go for :)
how tall are you?
How tall are my good sir
I'm 5'10" or 176cm. 😁
How tall are you ..if you font mind me asking
5'10"
@@NothingToProve I am same hight as you n debting if to get this bike ..its the same height as the 1 you are riding ..I'd there anyway to get it to the the higher height?
How bumpy is the ride?
Hi Brittany,
This is one of the smoother rides in the middleweight naked group that you will find. So when compared to the others in this group this is not bad at all.
Ride safe,
Scott
When comparing prices, one should visit the BMW configuration tool first to add stuff like cornering ABS and blipper function.
As you're always pointing to safety, I'm surprised you're recommending the distracting electronic gadgets that much without a dedicated comment.
Autos have a lot more "distracting electronic gadgets" that fight for your attention than any given motorcycle. But yet we still drive a car every day and never think twice about getting behind the steering wheel of a 2 ton killing machine, but a motorcycle as in this case is only 211kg and you are worried about the distracting electronics that I'm pointing out as great driver aids. Funny when you look at it in this perspective isn't it :)
@@NothingToProve Absolutely right! I remember an article - unfortunately I don't remember the source - stating that 20-30% of all accidents are caused by distracted drivers, be it smartphone usage or manipulating the car's media center. As opposed to motorcycles, the probability to get injured is much lesser, what doesn't make it any better.
Basic model does not have sports screen.
But if you like this more than the XR why did you end up buying the XR instead?!
Wind protection. It's that simple.
@@NothingToProve I see :)
Doesn't it look like BMW is more and more making bikes for smaller people? I mean people smaller than the average German and Dutch male. I recently made a test ride on a RnineT Urban G/S. A bike I was really interested in. I am 1,87 meter but I felt so huge sitting on the Urban. Not only leg wise, but my upper body was also very near to the mirrors. It was one big disappointment. I decided that I stick to my R100R that I bought new in 1995. It is not that big, but way more comfortable for me than the Urban G/S. Besides that I realized that that old airhead maybe has little hp's, but a lot more character, and more fun to drive.
Well this bike is a naked and they usually have lower seat heights as compared to ADV bikes. The size for this middleweight naked is spot on when compared to all other middleweight nakeds. So no, this is not made for smaller people, it's just a middleweight naked size bike.
Ride safe,
Scott
the bmw dealers tell me u cant have esa on low suspension
Yes, mine said that too.
@@NothingToProve i just ordered this bike in low im only 5.5 and my reach is not long either so i got the high handle bars. also adjustable foot pegs. also a high windsheild. cant wait to pick this baby up.
middleweight naked pie is a budget pie.........
Excellent review. Please improve your sound a little :-)
its 10k in Serbia 😒 BMWs are too expensive here
Wow.... my S1000r actually weighs LESS..... 205 vs. 211
Bruce Brown This is my dilemma. Like you I have the S1000R & am thinking of getting the F900XR, not the R! We both now how insane the 1000 is but I’m not sure about the power sacrifice to go the XR touring option. Then again I live in the nanny police state of Victoria, Australia & our speed limit tolerance is becoming a joke! Hence my leaning towards this 900 model.
Sounds like an angry sewing machine
An angry Chinese sewing machine.
Sir. This BMW is NOT a "parallel twin". Its a Horizontally Opposed Twin.
Umm...I hope you are kidding? You can even see the engine lay-out in the thumb nail picture.
@@NothingToProve do you know the definition of the word "Parallel"? It means "Side by side". A horizontally opposed twin is NOT a parallel twin.
Sorry, I thought you were kidding but it seems like you are not.
The issues here is not the definition of the word parallel twin, the problem here is that you think this is a boxer, right? It is not, it is an in-line 2 cylinder engine, not horizontally opposed twin (boxer).
Below is copied from the BMW.com site about the engine:
"Water-cooled 4-stroke in-line two-cylinder engine..."
Again, you can even see the engine lay-out (configuration) in the thumb nail picture, if you look closely.
I hope this clears this up for you. 😊
@@NothingToProve it certainly did. I owe you an apology. I skimmed through your video and assumed that BMW's twin cylinder engines were all boxers. Never knew they made parallel twins. I stand corrected.
@@michaelpuderramirez2331 They started having China manufacture inlines a while back.
No offense but the most funny part of the video was someone putting their wife's height
Yea, she thought that it was funny too.
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Your demeanor and hand actions remind me of Trump