Outbreak of the Irish War of Independence - Black and Tans vs. IRA Guerrillas (Documentary)
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The movement for more Irish self determination had turned into a full out revolutionary movement by 1919. The British Empire was losing control over Ireland and by early 1920 was in a full out guerrilla war against the Irish Republican Army (IRA). To regain control more police forces were recruited with wide ranging authorities - and a lack of actual police training. With their mismatched equipment made from war supplies, they soon got the nickname "Black and Tans".
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Bowen, Tom, “The Irish Underground and the War of Independence 1919-21” Journal of Contemporary History Vol. 8, No. 2 (Apr., 1973), pp. 3-23
Hopkinson, Michael, The Irish War of Independence, (Montreal & Kingston : McGill-Queen’s University Press, 2002)
Leeson, David, The Black and Tans: British Police and Auxiliaries in the Irish War of Independence, 1920-1921, (Oxford : Oxford University Press, 2011)
Lowe, W.J., “Who Were the Black-and-Tans”, History Ireland (Autumn 2004)
Townshend, Charles, The Republic: The Fight for Irish Independence 1918-1923, (London : Penguin Books, 2013)
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@@Normalguy1690 Found the brit.
Ryan M proud Ulster man and citizen of the UK.
@@Normalguy1690 Just jokin around
Mayoforsam County Antrim.
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Being an Irish person I'm incredibly impressed with your annunciation of Irish names, shows brilliant respect to our history. Thank you
Does this mean he is a skilled anuncio (like the papal one)? I love words.
David Turner he speaks multiple languages so that definitely helps. He can speak French,German and Russian.
Been following this channel since day one. Theyve been trying their hardest to pronouce native words correctly the whole time. Especially some polish words. (Successfully with 'Przemyśl' unsuccessfully with 'Lodz' :)
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@Kevin Doyle - You need to learn English correctly. Idiot.
HE'D INVITE THE NEIGHBORS OUT WITH THIS CHORUS....
Me: I promise not to get political
*After a few pints*
Me: Come out ye black and tans!
Dunking on people for losing friends at Flanders has to be the most vicious thing
COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN!!
@@cypherpillar9009 More vicious than looting shops and burning/shooting up civilian homes?
@@cypherpillar9009 eh, it isn't as bad as massacring civilians
Jesse did a great job pronouncing some of the more difficult Irish words like Sinn Fein and Soloheadbeg. A lot of History youtubers have trouble with this. Keep up the great work and I can't wait to see more of your coverage of the Irish Revolution.
Thanks a lot - I had an Irish speaker give me some tips before we shot this. :)
As a german, i can say he even pronounces german words right
@@jessealexander2695 Great joke at the end. I think Jesse pronounces most languages well from what I've heard. It's a rare skill that I do not have.
He is certainly a lot better than Indy was at pronunciation.
Broad with broad and slim with slim...
As an Irish person who has studied Irish history you have surpassed yourself in the knowledge , presentation, research ,and delivery of this subject . My hat goes off to you sir . Just brilliant 👏
USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
You mean as an anti Irish troll? every Irish person knows roman catholic history is fake. Only 2% roman dna in britain and no anglo saxon conquering evidence. leadership changes after middle class sold out to satanic cult infiltration is what happened.
Mid 1800's genocide of Irish by roman catholic/protestant splinter group/ monarchy families is called 'potato famine'. and you act like that is not anti Irish propaganda.
Thank ye lads for this episode, the history of this Island is often overlooked by many and it is great to see coverage of in-depth coverage of our history that many can enjoy and learn from
@@julianshepherd2038 Why?
The entire narrative of 1919-21 is that smeared with Irish propoganda you aren't learning a thing.
@@TimoMomo we don't really care what you regard about Irelands history. We won the war of independence. We write the history. That's how the world works.
@@marks_sparks1
1. I'm glad your admitting it's bollocks
2. There's a border and a following civil war that suggests SF and the IRA failed in its aims then caved into British demands (see 1) meaning they didn't exactly win.
Who's we, a bunch of Anglophobes with a serious victim complex who are also that riddled with an identity complex they need to reinvent their own national history just to feed the many complexes?
@Elvis Kostopouloss, is that your real name?
It sounds like someone with an identity complex.
@@TimoMomo I detect a serious amount of butthurt in all your posts. Unionists like ye (I won't presume your nationality) are still mourning for the loss of the Empire. Too bad. We started the ball rolling in 1921. Its over. Whatever about the Treaty and its aftermath, one indisputable fact remains about the War of Independence. The murdering British government and its troops sailed out of our country never to be seen again. We're no longer England's slave by that act alone. Deal with it.
Oh yes, you mentioned Anglophobia. Actually you're quite right. And I couldn't care less if we are. If I have any doubts as to whether to Ireland was right to fight for its freedom by the bullet 100 years ago, all I have to do to encounter an Englishman on a foreign trip and listen to being to being referred to as a Paddy or a Mick as a matter of course in front of my face. Strange behaviour from a nation that thinks we're all British.
The most pleasantly accurate part of this video is within the title. “Guerrillas” !!! Whatever your personal views are on the IRA, historical accounts/news media calling them the T word was always biased. In many cases its the other side writing the narrative more deserving of that description
When people call the IRA terrorists, they are usually referring to the group active in Northern Ireland during the troubles, not the group that fought for independence
How about freedom breaking out though? Remember the film 'Outbreak'? Most people relate the word outbreak not to freedom happening but to a toxic virus spreading quickly. How pleasantly accurate...........
My grandfather was an NCO in a British cavalry regiment stationed in Ireland during the conflict. He told me that he and his men utterly despised the Black and Tans and felt that they only served to worsen the situation, due to their depredations. There was little enthusiasm to rush to their support as these regular troops viewed any attacks on the "Tans" as no more than they deserved...
Yeah.. right.
Interesting independence real freedom of one country nation of people is what all countries aspire to
@@raymondhaskin9449 you would be suprised at the common testimony from british troops [not from scotland or northern ireland] many were in shock at the situation and were left with long lasting memorys of how horrid the entire thing was and how alien the entire situation seamed
Even still, at that point in history, the English occupiers werent even close to as bad as most other worldwide criminals. Imagine having the Turks or Japanese!
@@dbpgh except they absolutely were just as bad
Two of my grandparents houses were raided by the Tans in Tipperary Town. My grandparents were children at the time. Ironically both these families were ex British Army veteran households with fathers and uncles having served in Gallipoli, Salonika and France/Belgium. My grandfather lived in Goat Lane a poor part of the town which was known to have republican sympathies then and my grandmother lived in Old Road next to the Famine graveyard.
Same happened to my mom's family OVER and OVER again. None of her relatives where in the british army ...but my DADS family ...had been in the british army ..but they were ALSO Part of the ira too. But they never got raided. The black and tans had NO idea what they were doing.
James so sorry to hear that but just one think you need to change famine graveyard to genocide graveyard as that us what is was there was food a plenty but shipped to England passing the dead bodies at every turn . A famine is when there is nothing to eat in Ireland it was only tg e potato crop that failed
@@miakeogh6844 USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
The Genocide graveyard. Watch that cowardice now.
Thank you for your respect for Irish names Irish history and for the delicate nature of this. Such a fabulous job. This needed to be done very much. Thank you so much for it.
USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
I’m British, my great great grandfather was Irish. From Dublin he fought against the Turks from 1915 to 1916 then he was on the western front from 1916 to 1917. In 1920 he was arrested by the Black and Tans but was released due to him being a British soldier. He did not take part in the Irish war for independence.
Are you sure? I saw you in extrahistory’s Christmas truce episode’s comments section saying that he took part in the 1914 Christmas truce.
Will that was my other great great grandfather on my fathers side.
Alberto well to correct the information I put down in the extra history vid, which is now old information since I’ve found out more about my family’s war time history. My paternal great great grandfather was on the western from from 1914 to 1918 and did take part in the Christmas truce. It’s my maternal great great grandfather who is the one I commented about in this video.
@really sore knee "I know your family history better than you, Thomas."
Very interesting story.
To this day, many have strong feelings about this period. However, most (including myself) have limited knowledge of the series of events. Thus, your presentation extremely important.
So excited for this!
Real Engineering I love how you have a couple mil subs and get 36 likes (I’m a fan btw)
Wow, I’ve never seen a big channel visit another channel.
Read this in your voice !
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 youve never watched the hot trending entertainment then haha
It saddens me hearing about Marxists and American mobsters funding the worst terrorist group up until Al Qaeda. It reminds me of the fact their ancestors all came across in the same longships, but Marxist teachers pozzing kids and unions meddling in politics led to another brotherwar that international banking elites funded from both sides, as always.
Look at that, not a cell phone in sight. Everyone just living in the moment.
or dying in it.
the standard issue comment on history video ✅
@@Octopetala USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
… watching this … and typing this response … on a (here it comes) cell phone.
Great job, especially with the pronunciations! Hopefully there will be an episode on the Irish Civil War as well in future.
not just one
@@TheGreatWar Great job. The IRA fought against the regular British Army as well. I have researched this conflict for over 20 years. You talk about the Black & Tans but you show pictures of Auxiliaries. There is much confusion about these two forces. The Black & Tans wore the RIC Forage cap and the Auxiliaries wore the distinctive Balmoral Bonnet. The movie "The Wind that Shakes the Barley" depicts Auxiliaries. In 1920 they wore an all khaki uniform and in 1921 they wore rifle green which is almost black. The Black &Tans were named after a famous pack of hunting dog's from the Limerick/Tipperary Border called "The Scarteen Black & Tans". The Auxiliaries were the highest paid police force in the world at the time and one of the first counter insurgency unit's. Hundreds of it's members were decorated for bravery during the Great War including 3 VC winners. There was also Irish veterans of the Great War in the IRA including decorated soldiers. The IRA Director of Training was Emmet Dalton who served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers during the Great War and was awarded the MC during the latter stages of the Somme. His motto for IRA Flying Columns was "Everywhere all the time but no where at a given moment". Tom Barry who served with the Royal Artillery during the Great War was the most successful guerilla in the field against the British. Check out his victories at Kilmichael and Crossbarry. Martin Doyle served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers during the Great War and was awarded the VC for bravery. He served as an IRA intelligence officer. Remember the IRA fought against the regular British Army also. Some of the IRA's greatest successes was against the regular British Army. For example 8 soldiers were killed and 12 wounded from the Royal Fusiliers on 21st March 1921 during a train ambush. 7 soldiers were killed and 19 wounded from the Hampshire Regiment when the IRA detonated a IED on 31st May 1921. The Thompson sub machine gun made it's military debut in Ireland during the.summer of 1921 in Dublin City. Excluding policemen 108 British soldiers were killed from January to July 1921. This death toll is comparable to the worst full year in Northern Ireland or Afghanistan. The IRA started to use IED's in the spring of 1921 to the Truce. In the last 7 months of the conflict the British sustained over 1,000 casualties in terms of killed and wounded.
@@johnroche7541 Great post John.
@@eoinenglish7659 USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
Excellent video! As someone who has been studying Irish history my whole life, I usually pull my hair out due to inaccuracies in most Irish history videos. This one, however, was brilliantly researched and presented, with new quotes and insights I had previously not heard. Great work. I subscribed and will share.
This is considerably more informative than any documentary I've found on this subject. Outstanding stuff.
You always do a great job guys, but I'm really impressed with the depth and research of this episode.
Great work as per usual lads. Keep it going - amazing how relevant it (and other events) actually still is 100 years later.
Come out there Black and Tans Intensifies
Harsh Bansal Go on Home British Soldiers is better!
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As a Irish subscriber, Yr summary of the Irish War of Independence is admirable. Many thanks.
USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
Very interesting . Hope them dirty I.R.A died in pain
super impressed by how eloquently and respectfully you can explain complex topics!
I like this objective and non bias style of this video..
The Great War and its aftermath continue to this day, well done lads for treating this hugely important time in history.
You remind me of my history teachers in school, so passionate about your subject and explaining it clearly in an engaging manner. Love it!
Well done, a level headed, impartial, well researched and well presented presentation!
You should be streamed in Irish Primary Schools. Great presentation.
@Urien Rheged ok buddy
NPC #869347 TLDR your a racist
62heinkel Surely you mean English primary schools. Ha, some chance of that!
@@martinmcdonald4207 USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
I agree
Another Irish person here, to congratulate you on such an accurate portrayal. Looking forward to future content - I imagine Bloody Sunday November 1920 will be interesting, with the importance of intelligence gathering, and the cultural impact of the British reprisal.
Also, quite shocking to turn from Ireland, with its suffering and HUNDREDS dead at the time, to the Soviet army killing THOUSANDS, like it's nothing.
Soviet leadership was maniacal and had a country of 140 million people
That is very true Professor Lee of Cork University observed that in terms of deaths there is no such thing as an easy time. Nevertheless Finland was going through a similar revolution, had about the same population as Ireland their casualties were 35,000+ compared to the couple of thousand from all sides in Ireland.
Two of my Irish great-grandfathers were killed during this time - one by the British, one fighting for the British. My grandmother's father was a civilian casualty of the Easter Uprising (he was only 26 years old). My grandfather's father was an Irish volunteer fighting with the British in France; he was killed in action.
It's such a shame that a large part of those 1m subscribers don't turn up anymore. The great war may be over, but there's more history to be had!
Just found your channel today and I watched the videos on the Irish war of independence. Extremely well researched and historically accurate. I look forward to watching the rest of your videos.
Thanks so much. This channel has helped my research and my channel so much! Thanks for doing such quality work and scholarship. History like a hammer!
This 27.40 min gives a well researched and fair depiction of the Irish War of Independence. Timelines and pronunciations all correct! Well done.
Well researched and well narrated. Objective and insightful.. Great job!
Great job, I like the approach you took for this. Looking forward to the rest of the series
Which means it is history according to the IRA.
I'll pass on this.
So happy to see the history of my country covered on this channel thanks lads
Thank you for all of the details.
Very well sumised and accurate and present in a objective unbiased way. Well done 👏
This is the most respectful telling of our history I've seen.
Thank you so much.
USHUAIA BARILOCHE VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
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The wind that shakes the barley is a great movie if you haven't seen it yet.
wakka chaka Probably the best film if not the best film based on the revolutionary period!
Michael Collins also depicts it quite well
So politically & historically incorrect it made braveheart look authentic.
How?
@@senan7191 Read & study history & cut through all the romantic anti-English blarney.
Awesome! I was just looking for a doc on this! One I always didn't know much about. I saw a movie where it was the setting and thought it was really interesting.
Excellent, clear, non biase education. Excellent video
Being part Irish, Welsh and English, I always wonder why the Scots are largely ignored for their roll in Ireland. James 1 playing a major roll in the plantationing of Ulster after the flight of the earls plus the role of the Bruce after Bannockburn. Wonder how it would have been if the reformation had never happened, I wonder also why their was a distinct lack of English troops at the Boyne. Ireland, a beautiful country spoiled by politics and religion.
Scots occupied in the 1st to 6th century an area called Ulster in the early days it was called Scotia (Scotland) and the people called Scotii (Scots) the rest of today's Ireland was called Hibernia in the 3rd to 5th century - the Scots never conquered Ireland under the Bruce or under King James 6th of Scotland the question about Scots in Ireland they have a close relationship with a similar language base, but the Scotii are not Irish they are a wandering tribe who landed in Hibernia and migrated to Caledonia and intermingled with the Picts and Vikings.
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When the winding country roads start speaking Gaeilge...
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This is a really well researched video. Very impressed
Great video. My granddad faught in Dublin. He was captured and imprisoned. While being roughly interrogated by a group of soldiers one put the barrell of a rifle in his mouth to force information out of him. At that moment an officer walked passed the cell, saw what was going on and yelled out "Get that rifle out of that soldier's mouth!". To be referred to as a soldier was an unexpected sign of respect and made a great impression on my grandad. Shortly after, having stolen British uniforms from the laundry, my grandad and several comrades walked out of the prison and made their escape. He wouldn't hear a bad word said about the English after that. In his opinion he was fighting England, not the English. A subtlety that many of my contemporaries utterly fail to recognise.
Would he have been one of the lads who escaped with Ernie O'Malley?
@@seanmacuaiteir437 No, it was from Mountjoy he esacaped, In '21.
@@BrayTube He was entitled to his mistake.
You're probably American. This is lies
A well balanced researched and informative episode, with some great insights, well done
An excellent sum up of the events
Great video very educational, and I enjoyed watching 👏🏻
Excellent quality in this show
I recommend people interested in this to look up interviews with Tom Barry (promonent ira commander who was an army veteran who fought at Kut, conduced largest ambush of the war and was the main commander in cork) and Dan breen (the commander in charge of soloheadbeg ambush). Interesting to see their views.
Tom Barry was possibly the most successful Rebel Commander in the entire Campaign. I read his biography and it is amazing!
My grand uncle Wishi Murphy was in Tom flying columns
@@johnflynn6190 There is a picture of a fresh faced Tom Barry in a November 1915 edition of the " Cork Examiner". He is wearing the uniform of a bombardier in the RFA. He refused a commission into the Royal Munster Fusiliers.Check out his interview with the "Independent" where he states what the IRA would have done if there was no 11th July 1921 Truce. You are probably referring to Meda Ryan's book. Check out the book "Ireland's unfinished Revolution" written by Kenneth Griffith which has interviews with Tom Barry or try if you can Ewan Butler's book "Barry's Flying Column" which is rare. Some of the IRA officers who would make their name in Co.Cork were not native Corkmen. As you know Barry was from Kerry and LiamLynch and Sean Moylan were born in Co.Limerick.
Actually Sean treacy was in charge of that soloheadbeg ambush. His idea. The OK was given by his superior seamus Robinson.
I agree also read Tom Barry and Dan breen books
Informative. Thank you for the education. Well done.
Thank you kind sir, fine chronology of these events.
07:14 Jesse gave an excellent pronunciation of Soloheadbeg
Solo head beg, its not difficult
It would be a lot more impressive were he to give the Gaelic spelling and pronunciation: Sulchóid Bheag ;)
its actually pronounced more like sola head beg ,being a Tipperary man myself.but sure that is pure somantics
Even though the spelling is Soloheadbeg it's pronunciation is usually "Sol Ah headbeg". I'm in Tipp so...
From an Irish man, great work in bringing these topics into view. If i may add a side note. The image of the train derailment @15.32 it was not due to and conflict but high winds. It happened near my home town of Creeslough 31st January 1925 at the Owencarrow viaduct resulting in the death of 4 people.
It a way it is a sign of just how far their process goes, when you are creating content on a schedule you can't verify everything. They found an image of a train derailment, in Ireland, in the same decade but not of the same cause. Frankly I don't know how many photos there are out their of train derailments caused by the IRA in the 1920s. You would really have to dig deep through specific local records.
Excellent presentation new info learned as a result. Thank You
Love that this is getting covered
Very well done.
Excellent video, well done, especially on the pronunciations and the lack of bias. Though it was well balanced. 👍👍
When Damien O Donovan executes Chris Reilly in The wind that shakes the barley.
That always got me
The IRA were much nicer to some British soldiers than others. They were more forgiving with any Liverpool troops they captured and sometimes let them go free but grew to hate the Essex men and executed them more often.
@MR Spoon we have all the way up to 1989 nowadays. So all of NI, independence and even stuff like Haughey and Lynch
@MR Spoon The Ist Kings Liverpool Regiment were deployed in Co.Cork during the Irish War of Independence. They were under the command of Colonel Hudson. This gentleman literally saved the lives of captured IRA men from vengeful Black & Tans and Auxiliaries. Make no mistake the Liverpool Regiment fought against the IRA but conducted themselves in a professional disciplined manner combined with a high moral code. The religion of the soldiers had nothing to do with it. In this conflict sometimes it was the Black & Tans and Auxiliaries who saved civilians from the regular British Army. In some counties the behaviour of the regular British Army would match any of the excesses of the Black & Tans and Auxiliaries in terms of the treatment of civilians and captured IRA. Make no mistake the regular British Army committed war crimes in Ireland during this period. The behaviour would comply with the criteria of the UN nowadays to fit the discription of war crimes. It is a myth that the regular British Army contrasted differently with the Black & Tans and Auxiliaries in terms of their behaviour towards the civilian population and IRA. There is enough evidence of their brutal conduct. In every conflict every soldier,policeman and combatant is dire red by their own moral compass. It was not only the infamous Essex regiment that had a tarnished reputation in Co. Cork. The Cameron Highlanders, Hampshire Regiment and South Staffordshire Regiment who all served in Co.Cork had a notorious reputation. The Royal Scots(Lothian Regiment) left a legacy of bitterness in Co.Clare. Study the conflict at grass roots level in terms of the history of the conflict at local level in terms of the individual counties and the regular British Army does not emerge with a polished and disciplined reputation. Some of their own crimes are justifiably compared to the worst excesses of the notorious Black & Tans and Auxiliaries.
@MR Spoon Sorry but that should read directed by their own moral compass.
@Britannia That's exactly what the British did in Ireland during the turbulent period 1920-1921. Irish freedom fighters when captured in Dublin were hanged after a drumhead military court session and when captured in the Martial Area which was the southern province of Munster and some southern counties of Leinster were executed by firing squad. At the time British legislation was in essence making it a criminal offence for fighting for the independence,freedom,liberty and self determination of one's country. For those who subscribe to democracy Irish nationalists had a great win in the 1918 British General Election which advocated separation from Britain. This was followed up with the National victories in the local elections of early 1920. However it was the overwhelming victory in the May 1921 Election(Nationalists winning 124 seats out of 128 seats) that confirmed the Irish people expressing again that they wanted separation from Britain a fact acknowledged by the British Prime Minister. The IRA started to execute Crown Force members as a deterrent against the execution of it's forces. I know that two wrongs dont make a right.
The British also ignored the IRA's request for prisoner exchanges. Check out the case of District Inspector Potter who the IRA wanted to exchange for an IRA man who was facing the death penalty and was the father of 10 children. When the IRA captured 3 British officers in Tipperary in June 1921 the IRA officer(Ernie O' Malley) informed them that they would be executed for the simple reason that IRA men were executed for carrying arms and these British officers were armed when captured.Some British officers were captured whilst in mufti and carrying out intelligence work and were executed. This happens in all war's, conflicts and insurgencies.
@Britannia under the Geneva convention the ira would have been considered rebel forces and should therefore be treated like soldiers
What an excellent documentary! My Granda (born 1896) fought right through The Great War from beginning to end, then in the Irish War of Independence (in the 2nd Cork Brigade with Lian Lynch) and finally in the Irish Civil War. However, it was only when I myself joined the British Army in 1966 that he began to tell me stories about what happened when I was home on leave.
My Granda died in 1985 and I always make a special effort to visit his grave in Dungarvan (where I was born) at least once a year when I'm home, with flowers and a prayer for him. He was my hero!
MsG
If he was a hero why did you sign up for the army that butchered his people?
May I ask your grandfather's name. Hundreds of Irish WW1 veterans served in the IRA during the Irish War of Independence. Most famously Tom Barry(Royal Artillery),Emmet Dalton(Royal Dublin Fusiliers) who won the MC and became the Director of Training. Michael Bishop(Irish Guards) who won the MM twice.
One of Liam Lynch's closest comrades was Mathew Flood. This IRA man had served with the Machine Gun Corp during WW1.
Times were so different then we can look back and be a patriot or being in the British army to me is not being a traitor the world was at war my dad was interned for rep activities but he then went to Canada joined up to fight in the First World War let’s not forget the propagander machine fight for England and Ireland will be freed isn’t that a reason to fight for your country when you young 20 years old we make choices we may not make later they we’re all brave young men
@@seanmacuaiteir437 I agree
Outstanding work.
Superb! Better than anything on mainstream history TV.
I enjoy watching the film' Michael Collins' around this time of year...Well done Jesse...
Have anyone Tried a Black and Tan Drink, it's a Stout beer mix with Pale Ale beer serve in one glass.
No, Never heard of it. I have had an Irish Car Bomb several times.
No but my great grandfather shot a few.
Fantastic video!
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!
Take a shot every time Jesse sais IRC instead of RIC.
Thhhisis shouuld bees there topp commmermnnt immmaa so wasteďdd
I think we give him a pass, people make mistakes
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To be fair, it sounds incredibly similar
Well done lads. Well researched a history youtuber to get Irish names right deserves a pint🍻🇮🇪. My great great grandfather smuggled guns and his brother was in the mid Clare flying column. It was also a very complicated time for the thousands of Irish Great War veterans who came home to a very different country to the one they had left.
tubs09rfc 😳 Indeed. As an Englishman and history student I have great sympathy towards the Irish and their mistreatment by British governments. That so many Irishmen came forward to join the British army in 1914 and later is deeply humbling. I fully support Irish reunification but despair at the possibility of it occurring under any government at Westminster, particularly one controlled by a Conservative and UNIONIST party.
Some Irish veterans of WW1 joined the IRA. For example Ignatious O'Neil(Irish Guards) who served with the IRA in Co.Clare and took part in the Rineen ambush. Emmet Dalton(Royal Dublin Fusiliers) won the MC in WW1 during the latter stages of the Battle of the Somme. He would be Director of Training for the IRA. Tom Barry the most successful commander during the conflict had served with the Royal Artillery during WW1. Matt Flood who served with the Machine Gun Corp during WW1 was close to Liam Lynch. James Flaghterty(Connaught Rangers) served with the Mayo IRA. Michael Bishop(Irish Guards) who served with the Waterford IRA had won the MM twice in WW1. Martin Doyle(Royal Munster Fusiliers) served as an intelligence officer for the IRA and was awarded the VC in WW1. Cornelius Healey and James Coffey both ex Royal Munster Fusiliers served with the Kerry IRA and the former killed the highest ranking Auxiliary Cadet in Kerry.Joseph O' Sullivan(Royal Munster Fusiliers) and Reginald Dunne(Irish Guards) would assassinate Field Marshall.Henry Wilson in Junr 1922.Hundreds of Irish Great War veterans served with the IRA the above is just some examples.
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat Thanks from Dublin The Republic Of Ireland 🇮🇪🇪🇺👌
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat It's in fact so very few of them joined compared to how many of them could have and the starving conditions would tell a genuine person that they weren't deciding to join the britzi's for killing people. They arrested Irish people for little or no crime at all and would offer them food and money/housing if they joined a group that were sent far across the world. As an english man you'd know the anglo saxon made up stories and the roman conquering stories. The romans didn't know we'd discover DNA and only 2% of roman DNA is found in the place named 'brittania' a name roman cult leaders made up after seeing a name of a clan, one group that the Greeks called 'Pretanni' . That clan the greeks called 'Pretanni' were on the east side of the Irish island. The indigenous Irish were never 'britons' or 'british'. that's hilarious.
I can try to imagine going to the 23:55 grate war and fighting for the British and coming home to what was happening in Ireland 🇮🇪
Really looking forward to this while the curiosity stream ad played
Great presentation, thank you! 💖😎
We'll have a united Ireland one day boys.
3,2,1.Ok,here we go.
I was born on a Dublin stree-
*gets shot by H.M.S Brexiteer*
@Liam C Blimey! Get the brexit referendum hary!
@Liam C Seamus get the fertilizer
@@patchy_the_pirate5101 Padraig get the ArmaLite!
OLYMPUS XI In the ear
@@zlatko8051 only in Crossmaglen
Whereas the behavior of the Black and Tans gave ample grounds for the widespread belief that they came from a criminal background, the main problem, especially with the Auxiliaries, was that they were:
1. Former soldiers promoted from the ranks during WW1 to replace regular officers who were killed.
2. Promoted to the officer class, a social position some of them couldn't handle, as it required an ability to handle a bank account, cheque book, and pay debts on time, some took to bouncing cheques and other petty swindles.
3. Post WW1, they were demobilised and financially desperate.
4. They were paid, as Auxiliaries, well above the "going rate" for soldiers, and had little to do with their unaccustomed temporary affluence except drink a tremendous amount of alcohol.
5. Being re-enlisted officers, they were not subject to effective discipline from more senior military officers, but were to some considerable extent allowed to make up their own rules, often in a drunken haze.
6. As I'm sure future episodes will show, the Black and Tans and Auxiliaries proved to be ineffective as policemen or soldiers, while the IRA prevailed.
Number 6......Utter nonsense, they drove the IRA to the negotiating table, they were described by the someone in the IRA as superhuman, almost invincible.
@@TimoMomoYes, the Black and Tans almost prevailed, but they didn't! Yes, the new Irish state had to compromise, but after a century of periodic negotiations, Ireland continues to prevail.
@@ciarandoyle4349 They tipped the balance and stopped the senseless slaughter, they did the job they were sent in to do, make it impossible for the IRA to operate.
The myth of an aimless rabble is just that, a myth, a propoganda piece masquerading as Irish history.
It's very telling that the RoI don't give a proper breakdown of who killed civilians.
I'll guarantee you the reason would have been the supposed champions of the people in the IRA killed more than the supposed opressors.
@@TimoMomo The statistics have been well studied and published by others. The efforts of the British regular officers to establish discipline among the Black and Tans have also been published, including briefly F/M Montgomery in his memoirs.
So what did happen?
The IRA, having rid large parts of Ireland of police stations and other British administrative buildings and personnel, and having made the Black and Tans largely irrelevant, still faced two two insurmountable obstacles:
1. The well-fortified bases of the British regular army which the lightly armed IRA couldn't capture by assault.
2. The well armed police and para-military police forces with local Protestant support in Northern Ireland.
So the Irish state compromised at the negotiating table, the Black and Tans passed into history, and over the past century, Ireland just keeps marching on.
@@ciarandoyle4349 I think it is possibly safer to assume that sense and public opinion prevailed. Particularly liberal Irish, British and American opinion as opposed to Churchill's brand of oppressive Imperialism and threats of "Bloody War" etc.
Its annoying that people think that this topic is controversial but when you talk about any other war for independence then everyone is happy.
Great presentation - congrats.
My first visit to Dublin, the General Post Office, was first on my to see list.
On giants shoulders...
The battle scars are still apparent on the GPO, Surgeons' College, The Four Courts and other locations around central Dublin as monuments to the sacrifice of those men and women in April of 1916.
@@milescoleman271 VILLA LA ANGOSTURA VILLA TRAFUL VILLA GESELL A R G E N T I N A
One unique thing is the Indians deeply admired the Irish independence war, since Ireland, like India, were under British colonialism. I am Irish Indian by my way haha.
Very interesting, thanks for posting.
very well researched great job
26:18 you have a small mistake, although Faisal became King of Syria he got kicked out the same year. He was then King of Iraq from 1921 till 1933.
Are you sure about that? Are you not sure that Paddy said to Billy that red is white? I think you're missing something there.
Fair play, nice pick up.
He did say, "Let's take a look at what's going on in March 1920." Faisal wasn't kicked out until July or August.
@@Tsar_NicholasIII Look at the title down it says King of Syria (1920-1933) if he is King of Syria then it must be only 1920
You're right.
Could you please make a video about austria after the war and how it has to reorganize itself totally? Also how the army changes. I'm especially intersted in what uniforms the austrian army had back then. It's hard to find a aource on that.
Excellent content.
A thesis of the brutal civil war that followed would be fascinating.
Powerful episode, well told.
Absolutely great, many parallels here with British-Boer conflict in the Trance Vaal.
Transvaal
@@stevenwebb3634 Dont forget the Irish Brigade who fought for the freedom of the Boer !
@@liamobrien4767 there were also Australians who fought on the Boer side
Thank you Jesse and TGW because I learned so much about a war that I never knew of. As a Lebanese, this war looks like a kind of "European war of independence" and moreover, the Irish ambushes can't but remind me of South-Lebanon ambush-style resistance against Israeli patrols in the 1980's and the 1990's. So does the facts that "IRA does not need tactical victory for strategic success" at 21:03 and the great impact of casualties among the English police over English policy.
British not English
@@Epicrandomness1111 Thank you for correcting, I appreciate it
@@rabihrac Np
@@Epicrandomness1111 I would like to point out that the quote in 6:18 says "English garrison"
Thanks for the feedback, Rabih.
Great video as always! Could you guys consider doing a video like this on the Korean Independence Army?
Another excellent video!!
Hmm, appropriate that I'm off on holiday to Ireland tomorrow and this is in my recommended today!
Just don't mention the tans if you don't want to be shot
Or Corona don't mention corona
@@Lorcan666 the beer or the virus? Jk! I know the virus is a no go topic, got a half irish colleague!
My great grandmother and her friend saved Michael Collins from being captured in the city centre during the rising she worked in the Abby theatre until she was 90 they were chasing him through the city and had the roads closed so they let him come in to the theatre and dressed him in women's drag to get him by the English soilders
You were told a load of shite lad 😂😂
You've already got me hooked I'm subscribing
Great video and well done on pronouncing the names and place names correctly.
Superb presentation and emotive but without too much drama!!!!
Cracking history lesson for any and all Irish people,me included!!!!
Hope this isn’t too cheeky but Jesse looks like Jake Gyllenhaal,no insult meant!!!! 👍❤️😉🇮🇪🍀
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Most Excellent presentation !
Great presentation Jesse..
YES IT'S HERE WAR OF IRISH INDEPENDENCE
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