JOKER (2019) Movie Reaction & Commentary | FIRST TIME WATCHING
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- Today we are watching Joker (2019) for the first time! Joker (2019) is directed by Todd Phillips and stars Joaquin Phoenix, Robert De Niro, Zazie Beets, and Frances Conroy.
His whole life, Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix) has been isolated and bullied. His dream of becoming a comedian dwindles away, and the harsh realities of the world begin to take their toll on Arthur. Eventually, Arthur snaps and begins to dive further into madness, leading to the creation of Joker. Gotham becomes a city of flames as Joker's message begins to spread.
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36:45 Final Thoughts
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The reason this movie is set in 1981, aside from wanting to capture the feel of the grungier New York City of the 70s and 80s, is that the 80s was when the US government slashed funding for mental health. All over the country, publicly run mental health institutions closed down, and programs like the one Arthur is portrayed attending for therapy and medication WERE shut down when their funding was pulled. I think one of the strongest thematic messages present in Joker is that our society doesn't care about people who struggle with their mental health...that we only acknowledge them when they act out violently.
thanks to reagan
wow didnt know that!! so many layers in the film and in every creative choice,.
Thanks to Ronnie, that ever-smiling fiend!
Amazing how the gov didn’t have money to continue to fund mental health, but it has trillions for the “war on drugs.” That’s because as long as the alphabet agencies continue to place drugs on the streets, the military and LE will have a blank check to “fight” drugs.
@@2tonesg - Do not worry, "mentally stable" Biden🇨🇳 is fixing everything for everyone, correct?
I worked with Joaquin Phoenix in his next movie after this one as an extra. The movie C'mon C'mon. He was super cool and we chatted about this movie for a minute but he didn't seem to wanna discuss it too much. ha.
probably similar to asking an old war vet to open up and tell you his goriest haunting memories of experiencing the worst things humanity has ever done to itself in the time it takes to get a selfie these days. but in the nicest way possible, I'm sure.
I also worked with Will smith in I AM Legend, I was his dog
@@Xijvn lmao
Me too I worked with Phoenix
@authentic13 Then why should we trust anyone ? You want him to give us private pictures ? His check ?
The stairs show his struggle. Hes painfully walking up them while hes fighting for control and when he just gives up, he dances down them in a state of joy and happiness.
Or they show his descent into madness
@TonioTonius how was he living in decency when he was struggling to live in a corrupt capitalist society only entitled to the rich, along with working at a job where people lie on you to get you fired, lonely, depressed and feeling of anxiety, along with nobody giving a damm about your mental health situation along with corporate interests and the rich not giving a Damm, that's decency to you lmao.
Nominated for 11 Oscars including Best Picture but won for
Best Actor, Joaquin Phoenix
Best Original Score.
It was the first DC Movie to be nominated for all categories.
It was the highest grossing R Rated movie to make $1 billion dollars at the box office.
A sequel is in development.
Which is 100% justified given his performance & Hildurs score were Jokers strongest components & is exactly why this film even worked
@@MasterBetty69
Meh. A strong performance doesn't always equate to a good character or plot for the film as a whole. I think that is definitely the case with Joker.
Love this movie, it's great how he won best actor for this roll just like Heath Ledger did. Two Jokers two Academy awards 🤡
Heath Ledger was really great, but sure enough Joaquin Phoenix brought his own unique take to the role and I have a hard time picking which one I like best.
Ledger was insufferable and overacted.
@@victortepes1540 I disagree
@@victortepes1540 subjective
then theres Jared Leto
What I like about Joker is that while it does it's own thing, it has some hallmarks from the character. Like how the Arthur Fleck as a person is a complete mystery. By the end, he's neither a Fleck nor a Wayne...
He's nobody. A clown. A comedian. A killer.
Bro... that scene where he read his mom's medical records at asylum made me bawl my eyes out when I first watched this at the theatres. I had to pretend there was something in my eye or something....
As many times as we've seen the death of the Waynes on film, this is the only time it's been an assassination. Also, Batman and Joker are both on the same night. After shooting Murray, Arthur laughs his first genuine laugh. Not a fake laugh, not his condition, but a real, honest laugh. His transformation into Joker is complete. And within hours, the Waynes are murdered, and Batman is born.
Gotta have supercats to catch superrats.
Joker is the embodiment of absolute pain.
Great reaction guys. I have one main thing to clarify instead of listing things. In 2 out of the 3 major mainstream versions of Batman, Joker is way older than Batman. Romero was about 20yrs older than West in the series and Nicholson was about 15yrs older than Keaton in Batman 89. Only in the Nolan one's was Bale older than Ledger. So it bugs me when people say that joker is too old here to be the Joker. If we take it at face value that Arthur's mom worked for the Wayne's when she had him 30yrs ago, Arthur is in his 30's here and Bruce looks like he is around 10. When Bruce becomes Batman in 10 years, he will be in his 20's and Joker in his 40's. So the age difference definitely works here.
Great points and I have argued the same with all the whiners who complained about the age difference. Take also into consideration that although Arthur is in his early 30s he looks much older because of the hard life he has lived to that point. Not eating much, the stress of taking care of his biological mother cuz no way he was adopted. People also say Arthur was not smart and maybe on the dumb side but if you see his progression by the time he is on the show he talks very intelligently and well smart enough to see that the show brought him there to humiliate him.
@@tonysoto8949 He looks dumb at the beginning because he was taking 7 different medications. When he stopped taking those medications, the real Joker appeared.
Yeah and Arthur Looks older cuz he had a hard life
It's crazy, Alec Baldwin was who they wanted to play Thomas Wayne. And when you watch the movie it's so obvious. His mannerisms and build is so similar.
Alec Baldwin would just shoot the robber
Turns out Alec Baldwin was the craziest psychopath killer of all.
Wonder if he'd insist they check the stunt gun for live rounds...
@@pyroblade452 Way to be a 13 year old edge lord. Cool brah. Cool joke.
@@eltravos99 Really blows your mind doesn't it?
As children, we cheered for the heroes.
As adults, we understand the villains.
Joaquin Phoenix is phenomenal as the Joker. He's such an amazing actor.
I always liked the relationship between Batman and the Joker; two dark characters, one hating criminals while the other hating organized society. Batman holds the Joker in contempt. The Joker on the other hand admires Batman. It’s been great fiction for years.
“All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy.
That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.”
It's a quote from Alan Moore's The Killing Joke graphic novel. It's clear certain parts of the film were inspired by the comic book, especially the Joker's slow slide into him becoming the Joker. It also has the fact the Joker always changes his story on how he became the Joker, not being a reliable witness.
The funny thing about that philosophy is that it's wrong. Gordon went through the worst day of his life and he came out of it sane.
@@fynnthefox9078 Well yeah, the Joker thought he could break Gordon and make him just like himself, but he was wrong. He even tries to compare his own situation with Batman, but Batman took his brokenness and his pain, and used it to help others. While the Joker only uses his own pain and broken psyche to harm the rest of Gotham.
It's why I've always liked the Batman comics, it's a pretty optimistic view, to use your trauma to help others and not allow it to ruin you. All of Batman's villains are broken people, just as Batman is, but it's how they each deal with it that makes them different.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important yeah the moral of the story is a pretty good one. It doesn't only take a bad set of events to turn you into a monster, you have to have some of that inside you to begin with, it's a necessary ingredient. People with that ingredient might go into denial and not want to think it's true, and so might seek to 'prove' otherwise. I mean damn, isn't that the common self-justification behind any and all evil acts, pretty much most of the time? To imagine that nobody else is any different "deep down". When in truth most of those justifications aren't ever tested, and whenever they are, are usually debunked.
I personally interpret Batman's ramping insanity at the end as a sort-of admission that he has that monster inside him too (but doesn't want to give in to it like the Joker does). He's a guy who controls it and focuses it as a utility for justice. He keeps to a code in order to not fall to the lack of one. But he's definitely out-there too, and that's kinda funny in the moment, and he lets go of a little bit of control from just how unusual it is that he's amused in that way. Of course we're not shown the end the result, but maybe that's the point, to not truly know, as perhaps Batman himself can't.
@@fynnthefox9078It's wrong in the movie. But is it in real life?
@23:01 He treated him that way because the day before Arthur attacked Alfred in front of Bruce. He was protecting his family. I think neither Arthur or Thomas Wayne were in the wrong in this scene. They blur the lines of good and evil so great in this movie!
though i'm SURE it gave wayne alot of satisfaction, do you think punching arthur made the wayne family safer?
None of that changes the fact that this version of Thomas Wayne is an elitist snob prick that looks down on the less fortunate.
Yeah, this new version of the Joker is a pretty darn good one! Also, the twists that Joker wasn't actually talking with his crush and that his laughing condition came from abuse were fantastic. It's the first things I think about whenever someone mentions that movie.
i never seen an actor so expressive
Great reaction guys. It's hard to hate Arthur, he was the victim of the system n just kept suffering n struggling until his breaking point, it's understandable in a way. Todd Phillips (director) did a fantastic job with this movie, hard to imagine it's the same Todd Phillips who directed the Hangover trilogy
This joker interpretation has always reminded me of the many that came before it. Bits of Mark with the laughter. The dark homicidal of Jack. Some men just wanna see the world burn. But you both have also punted out many sympathies I ignored before. Thanks for that.
A majority of the NYC/Gotham settings were true to life events. NYC was broke in the 80s and it was a very violent decade. Broadway was a dangerous area filled with porn theatres. Social services were cut, the murder rate was at all time highs. The piled up garbage was due in part to the 81' sanitation workers strike. In 84' four men were shot and killed in the NYC subway after a botched robbery, which Scorsese references. They really captured the ambiance of 80s NYC.
I've always viewed the scene after Arthur shoots the guys on the subway as the first time in his life he's stood up for himself and won. He's overwhelmed with the joy of doing that even though it resulted in three deaths. It's like he's taken the step past the point of caring about others and finally realized he needs to care about himself most of all.
I hate the idea that they are making a Joker 2. This movie succeeded because it walked that thin line of being given the OK to make it and the studio not thinking it was going to be able to do much so the higher ups didn't get involved with creative decisions much. Since it was such a success you know the higher ups are going to be all over this and ruin it.
Since Spider-Man No Way Home was such a success Hollywood has decided that cameos are the latest fad to make movies a success. They will likely put tons of random cameos into Joker 2 and absolutely ruin it - just like they ruin 90% of all movies about superheroes.
@Jack Sparrow Are you aware that they are making Joker 2 as a musical? And no, I'm not 'joking'.
It was a success because it is a Joker origin story. That and the insane hype and controversy around it. Joker isn't some stupendous film, it really isn't.
One of those movies where the conversation about it is almost bigger than the movie itself. It's a lot, great but a lot.
On the back of the picture that Arthur looked at is a love note from Thomas Wayne, concluding that Wayne could've possibly changed records to make it seem like Arthur was adopted
Eric and Sarah you know one of the things I really love about this movie is that although its not directly based on any existing storyline from the comics it stays true to the fact that The Joker's true origin really is a mystery, in a graphic novel called Batman The Killing Joke we get a little bit about The Joker's backstory but wether or not any of it is true no one really knows. There's a very famous line of dialogue from The Joker in that story where he says to Batman " sometimes I remember it one way sometimes another but if I'm to have a past I prefer it to be multiple choice" so yeah basically confirming that even The Joker himself doesn't really know what was real and what wasn't
Joaquin Phoenix won his 'Best Actor' Award for this movie
The movie was a masterpiece.
I find it interesting how during his fantasy of being on the show, he laughs in sync with everyone else, but at the comedy club he always laughs at the wrong times.
great video guys!! loved the reactions
and yall were spot on with the predictions lol, when he told "somebody's gonna take down that cop car" I was like WTF DUDE
The Director said this has no part of a bigger DC Batman world. No sequel initially planned. Ending is supposed to make the audience wonder if he was ALWAYS just a crazy patient, like a version of Forrest Gump, except all his tales of fiction.
Joaquin is one of my favorite actors living today!!!!! Saying that you should check out Gladiator with Russell Crow!!! Being a great movie again Joaquin nailed being the BAD GUY(duh) lol
Fun Fact. Comic Book Girl 13 was saying that she actually worked in a factory where they made pearl necklaces. The thing is, the expensive ones? They're all INDIVIDUALLY TIED ON ! So if you lose one pearl, you don't lose them all. THIS MEANS, EVERY TIME YOU SEE THOMAS WAYNE & HIS WIIFE DIE, YOU KNOW HE'S A CHEAP SKATE, BECAUSE HIS WIFE'S PEARL NECKLACE IS FAKE !!!!
Also, THe movie playing at the theater they walked out of, was officially labeled on the sign as, "Zoro and the Gay Blade". WTF kind of film were they watching???? ROFLMAO
There is a theory that the entire movie is Arthur, talking to the last psychiatrist that he kills relating the events of his life
That’s why he looks so much older
In actuality, he would only be about 15 years older than Bruce
this is a masterpiece i've watched several times over and over again, mostly through reactions 'cuz it's interesting to see how other ppl see it and what they think about the topic that's going on
"life's all a big joke. you just gotta get the punchline sooner..." this is a quote from the clown prince of crime in a comic. coming from a murderer that even manages to break down Batman of all people, says a lot...
So glad you loved this movie. It really repays the effort to watch it again, say a few months later, as you pick up more details
Great reaction
Oh my dears, you're reaction seems like it was exactly like mine the first time I saw it. I tho cried throughout, off & on. It was such an epic, absolutely phenomenal movie. Taking a comic book character and making him real and feel empathy and love and caring for him was so amazing. It took me awhile and watching it a few more times, to let it all sink in and wrap my head around it all. I absolutely loved it!!!! 😍❤👍💛👏👏👏👏👏 Joaquin winning the Oscar was SO well deserved! His performance and the music and directing and cinematography and lighting was just all spot on and sent chills down my spine and goosebumps on my skin, even when I just saw the trailers of this. I think it touches so many of us, as you said too, bcs there are these issues and problems going on in our world & societies, esp where mental illness or poverty or even bullying etc... Gets swept under the rug and not dealt with properly and there's never enough funding from Govts to help those who most need it. So we end up with all these mass shootings going on and homelessness is rampant in the mentally ill community. It's a disgrace and I'm so thankful this movie was made to put a spotlight on it, using Joker. Cuz it reached millions more then if it was just a movie about a man with mental illness. Of course he suffered from many issues, childhood PTSD, his laughing disorder, he naturally would be narcissistic (since his Mother was, and he had all his grandiose delusions). So basically he started out a good person, but his childhood and society turned him into a serial killer who finally felt like he mattered and had numbed his truest nature of goodness. It's a heart breaking yet truly beautiful movie to watch. Even the ending, you were like me, almost feeling bad for smiling and cheering on the chaos ... Yet I don't think any of us should feel bad. Cuz I think so many of us kinda related. Maybe some moreso. Even tho we don't condone violence.. It just seems like redemption for him. And it does make you smile. ☺ Peace and wellness to you sweet ladies. Thank you for sharing, I really enjoyed it and hope you read this. 🤗
Edit add-on: I agree about everyone has some craziness, we do but most can control and handle the madness, for some i think it's too much and they tip over the cliff of craziness to madness... Then you have serial killers, mass shooters, etc... They can't handle the craziness and want to end it all. So they hurt others bcs they hurt, and then they get caught and consequences. It doesn't make what they do ok, never, but this movie so eloquently shows perhaps the process of creating a madman. Taking a tiny soul,child and putting them in a violent, neglectful childhood then sending them into a cruel world where they are bullied and perhaps can't cope or associate. It's really a dreadful synopsis of events that lead people to these deeds and actions. I, along with millions, was cheering Arthur on! Would I cheer on a mass shooter or serial killer in real life... Prob not. But this movie just helped us understand those who suffer, truly suffer with conditions out of their control and have empathy and yes, give a cheer when they get a bit of redemption. Ok.. I'm off my soapbox lol 😄
Truly a masterpiece, epic. And Joaquins performance was phenomenal. Cuz it was SO physically demanding yet he barely ate to get so skinny for this role. And also the emotional toll it must have took for him to master this character with all its many layers. Absolutely the best performance I've seen.... Ever! ❤
"Madness is like gravity -- all it takes is one little push."
Great video guys. Kudos to the guy who played Gary too. He was superb
Im loving this channel!! Can't wait for more !! Much love from Sweden
Glad you’re enjoying the content! Thanks for watching 😁
And when you think, after he killed the doc at the end, Harley Quinn was assigned to him
Thank you for reacting to this film, one of the films close to my heart. 🃏
What a unique vision and performance as the Joker. I love it!
Man I was just re-watching this because I love watching movies with you guys and I love Joaquin Phoenix & speaking of him you guys should react to signs it has Joaquin Phoenix in it and also Mel Gibson :) also loved his little brother River Phoenix. Have a good one yall
This movie is so relatable. The origin of joker is only the peoples. He is not a villain, he was just fighting with his problems
Either the movie is so readable or you have seen the movie before because you predicted everything spot on
First-time viewer here. Loved it. Keep it up. 👍🏽👍🏽
You should do Pixar stuff. Nobody does pixar stuff. 🍻🍻
great reaction! as of today this is my favorite E&S first time watching movie reaction and commentary 🏆
Good insight guys.
I love this movie, they give joker many ingredients, you can feel what he lives and Joaquin phonenix transmits the role he plays very well, nothing more to say than a teacher, the soundtracks are epic and others, good reactions guys, greetings from Peru .
Great reaction guys!
Great reaction!!!! Good luck with your channel 👍
There are some multiversal stories that shows either we dislike or like the characters. For example; this Joker movie is one of the best. Shows an example of what creates a reasonable villain. My thoughts: being ignored and bullied by rich and oppressive characters, killing is good enough for him to cease the corrupted life between rich and poor. One great quote of him being good is "I just don't want to feel so bad" and what do other people do? They either tried to reason with him or being an ignorant and heartless citizen. It is a great video, shows of how the world itself revolts to one another.
Great reaction! I loved this movie, i cant wait for Joker 2
Thoroughly enjoyed this reaction
What a great movie, I absolutely loved it. Definitely one of my favourite movies of all time!
Joachim Phoenix was excellent as the Joker and the fact he had us all rooting for him, the Joker of all people, was class.
1:58 I like that viewpoint! Reminds me of this one recent interview that Kevin Conroy did with a few fellow voice actors pertaining to Batman: ultimately there's a version of Batman that someone is always into! Whether it's the comic 60's West vibes, or the dark and vengeful vibes of Pattinson, there's a Batman for everyone to enjoy!
Just found your channel and great reaction guys! keep up the good work :)
Thank you, we appreciate it!! :)
Searching for The Batman i found this video.. i love it.. great reaction..
Bless
3:58 "This isn't going to be a movie that makes me cry is it.....?
4:06 "Is he laughing instead of like, crying?"
I had to stop it there and let you know that, yah, that's laughing instead of crying, or as Forrest Gump once said, "Maybe it's both. Maybe both is happening at the same time....."
I can relate to this way tooo much right now but let's go for the ride again shall we? Better than sitting here crying, instead of like, laughing, right?
is it a crime to try and kill two birds with one stone and feel em both for the same price?
Awesome thanks 😊 great reaction
Great reaction!
Yall seem chill af. Need friends like this lol.
Next time you re watch this film I recommend looking out for clocks because most of them say a specific time which if I remember correctly is 11:11 which is seen with a quick flash of Arthur in the hospital banging his head near the beginning of the film when Arthur punches the clock clearing out his stuff after being fired and also just before he shoots Murray on stage but that third clock is half an hour before 11:11 which makes me think he goes on stage and then ends up at the hospital for 11:11 and the scenes with the psychiatrist at the Beginning aren't real because that clock in the background says 11:11 as well it's tough to work out completely what in Arthur's mind and what's real but keeping an eye out for the clocks i believe is a big help
you have to check alle the easter eggs in this movie! Specially the hidden countdown, ticking down the whole movie until Jokers last scene on the car!
I love this film. It has a special place in my heart.
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
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I love this sm !!
Bro, I recently watched this movie after 4 years of the first time I saw it and how crazy! This film is very good and unique, one of my favorites of the genre without a doubt.
"I had never seen any Batman movie but Eric wanted me to see them" Eric, you're a hero.
Great reaction. Did U notice that the clocks had the same time (11:11) & Arthur/Joker shot Murray at (11:11)
Who can actually enjoy a movie, while talking over it the whole time?!
Awesome Reaction 💯💯💯
5:57 - Staircase is a methaphore.
I liked your reaction video right there.
The one thing I like about joker is that he doesn't have a real origin or rather multiple
Ayee. Good choice. Love your reactions
Great reaction guys! Love this movie
Thanks Martin!
You missed at the end, while smoking he had handcuffs on. He went to Arkum and then killed the interviewer.
I know it’s simple and sort of cliche, but I like the symbolism with the stairs comparing Arthur’s mentality on life.
At the start he’s ascending though painstakingly slow and sluggish. Then later on as the Joker he’s cheerfully dancing down the steps happily spiraling into self-destruction. Funnily enough with the cops now chasing behind him.
A film that I don’t see getting the attention it deserves is definitely ‘Shot Caller’ from 2017. Severely underrated, and very engaging. Like Joker it isn’t lighthearted but I think you 2 might enjoy it. The story and acting is stellar.
Your reaction is amazing. You should watch more movies and make more reaction videos.
The little part of him kissing one of the guests, along with the whole talk show scene was loosely based on the The Dark Knight Returns
Someone gets it!
''Modigliani'' this movie is phenomenal, the score in particular is just gorgeous and different.
I think what Joker said when the camera cut was "that's the way the cookie crumbles"
Great reaction
Joaquin Phoenix is one of my favorite actors and when they announced this, I knew he'd crush it.
I think that the lady that Arthur kept seeing with the little girl was a hallucination somehow representing his personality changes.
You know i love this film becouse imagine everyone who ever hurt you every "bad person" the truth is everyone has been hurt just some more than other and some take it better some worse
I felt really sad for home when he paints the smile Arthur's gone
Great commentary
Great reaction 👍
I like the idea that Thomas Wayne is NOT the paragon of virtue that Bruce thought he was.
He's like Popeye that's all I can stands and I can't stands no more lol. Laughing is like his spinach lol
When the gun fell out of his pants at the hospital, oh gawd I felt that, I had a pellet gun fall out of my jacket when I was at work one day and it was a very 'OH SHIT' moment, but nobody cared thankfully as it probably sounded plastic when it hit the floor anyway
I was in a car accident in the late 90's.. I had a severe concussion, amnesia and permanent memory loss. I had to 'relearn' my entire life and forgot A LOT of it. To this day, if I don't speak to you within a couple months, I forget you exist. Literally.. Seeing the 'they treat you like you don't' quote really hit me.. People don't understand I'm NOT normal in my head. What is normal for people doesn't work for me. I need a routine, boring existence. I tell people at work I have brain damage and my memory is poor. It's just a joke and they say 'oh, me too! I'd forget my head ...".. That pisses me off so bad! Nothing I can do but cause drama so I just tell them they've been warned, repeatedly. Then, I forget something and becomes me not caring about the situation.. Nobody cares to understand because you don't really matter to them... It is what it is.
You gotta watch Gladiator! Joaquin is so despicable in it 😁
Hey guys! first of all, I loved your reaction, you had such interesting commentary on it and a fun, genuine reaction, I felt you were genuinely interested by the story and the movie, overall great video! I just have a few comments in regards of the movie about things you might have not gotten or you didn't get at first probably as well as things that are impossible to guess without some prior contextual knowledge.
In regards of Arthur's origin/parents the ending is open ended, one could say that since Penny Fleck had mental issues she could be making all of that up in her mind since she has many problems and has suffered through a lot, incluiding abusive relationships which she is in denial of; but on the other hand this could all be a setup to cover Thomas Wayne's relationship with Penny, first of all because he doesn't want the rumour of an affair tarnish his prestige and name in Gotham and in the industry and also because he doesn't want to be linked in any possible way to a mentally ill woman or that someone can suspect of it, that's why he fired her in the first place, even moreso now that he's running for a public charge or positioning himself for a pre-candidate position in an upcoming election.
It is possible that Thomas Wayne did father Arthur and with his power, money and connections he hid it all, besides this, the doctor you see interviewing and filling the forms with Penny is Dr. Stoner who is one of the most vile, criminal and corrupt higher ups at Arkham at that time, he would take bribes and accept money to beat up and put criminals and mental patients in terrible conditions, mess with people's minds and deprive them of food, water, medicine, basic needs, so it's not an outrageous thought that he could have accepted money to errase Penny's records and fill her file with different information, mess with her mind and lock her up for a time there.
There are also other hints in the movie, like the adoption papers, which were much less worn, wrinkled, aged, that the other documents on Penny's expedients and records (which could be a way of saying that it was a much later added document to her file or a forgery) and also the picture signed T.W. which was on Penny's dresser which Arthur wrinkles in his hand towards the end. Those are just a couple of examples of this.
Besides this, talking about Arthur's condition, it is said (not specified) that he has multiple metal conditions (which were intentionally made difficult to tell appart in the script) and of them was the laughter condition Arthur experiences and that is a real nervous system and mental health condition called Pseudobulbar Affect, you can look it up yourself so you don't take my word for granted.
I also think this is a great movie that reflects the downward spiral of a person brought down by society, beaten down by the upper classes and left to fend for himself with no-one to rely on, to care for him nor to show him the right path through life, it's pretty sad and shocking and it's exactly what it should be, what a raw movie or a Joker movie should be. Also well, Joaquin Phoenix's interpretation was amazing, he rightfully deserved every ounce of that Oscar he got.
Sorry for the long comment, I hope this is of some help to you or you find something new or interesting, also, again, excelent, amazing reaction to a movie that is barely reacted or talked about even to this day. I just stumbled upon your channel today and I will definitely watch some more, thanks guys!!!
Thank you so much for the kind words and interesting thoughts! I like how ambiguous everything is regarding Thomas Wayne-it's frustrating to not know the reality of the situation, which I'm sure is similar to how Arthur feels.
Hope to see you around! :)
- Sarah
@@EricSarahReact Thanks! Yes, it's an intentional callback to how in different comic and storylines Joker's backstory is always blurry, messy uncertain, multiple choice, open ended and/or open to interpretation, it was definitely an intentional choice and again, great reaction guys!!! I'll stick around for sure!
An absolute masterpiece
Great movie and another excellent interpretation of Joker, there are some great nods to the movies king of comedy and Taxi driver both starring Deniro , I definitely recommend watching Taxi driver it is a major 8nspiration for the look and feel of this movie and its a great Scorsese movie also dealing with societal alienation..
I still think it’s so crazy that before he found out he was adopted his mother’s hair was brown like his and when he found out he was adopted his mother’s hair became red