Enjoying you two Mad Rocket Scientists reviews of these Amazon Stick Flickers...I will say y'all brave shooting these in your shop!!! Keep'em coming!!!
Thanks John! Yeah it may be risky reviewing different bow brands than Great Plains in our shop, but ultimately we are interested in growing the great sport of archery so this is one way we can contribute. Happy shooting!
@@greatplainsbow this bow looks like a crappy SAS only Sanlida combined a dished grip and a notched grip and SAS has a similar issue of grip where it is poorly made so wrap spins on grip/handle. Bow from SAS in all bad reviews say hand shock is the major and about only issue of why people get rid of bow.
I like what you are doing with these bows. I spent all of last year buying various Amazon Trad bows to experience the shootability and performance of them. I also built my own strings to experience first hand the benefits. Ultimately, I learned what best fits me, what poundage I shoot best at this stage of life, and that I prefer a 62" recurve over all other dimensions and styles of bows that I have owned. With practice, I also discovered I can shoot well enough to hunt deer with most of them. When I buy a custom bow, I now know exactly what I want and need. I would like to see you guys rework a SWA Spyder (62") and XL (64") take downs. The 62" Spyder has become my favorite economical bow. I shoot them very well. I enjoyed these take downs mostly to experience different draw weights, recurve vs longbow limbs, and over all bow lengths. Ideally, I would have a similar one piece bow. Be interesting how you assess the SWA Spyder? They shoot awesome, but are basically a refined Samick Sage.
I wish i could return all the $100-$400 bows i bought when I first started shooting traditional archery and just buy one high quality bow from Great Plains.
Interesting review. I have been shooting 1 or 2 hours a week for over a year. When I first shot the bow for 2 months, i had issues as it was my first trad bow. I added a custom string and adjusted the brace height out to 8 inches. I have had no handshock and my grouping is now within usually 4 inches of grouping from distance. Beaver puffs work great. I did switch to linkboy arrows and now even there arrows shoot tight after I refined my form.
Picked one of these up to check it out and mine had several cracks and separations in the lams. Super hard hand shock even with good arrows so I returned mine cause I knew those cracks were gonna fail sooner or later. Also it stacked like a beast for a 68" bow and arrows would drop like a rock past 20 meters.
Like I said before, if I knew half of what you two know about bow building I’d throw everything I know in the trash. I’m struggling just to make a osage self bow. Great videos keep them coming.
I'm getting my first longbow from boston bows ash 35lb war bow for £225.00 with Mary Rose Nocks on. Not bad for a handmade bow, don't get me wrong your bows are great I have to get me one of them one day.
Try cutting one of the tag ends at the splice with nail clippers. If it cuts easily, it is Dacron. If it cuts real hard or not at all, it is some type of FF/Dyneema. The reason you feel stretch by hand is the string most likely has not been stretched.
Just bought this longbow and I didn’t really notice the hand shock much, been a compound shooter and still am. I also have a Southwest Archery recurve that stacks terribly that I’m going to sell. I have a 29.5” drawlength. I will probably dump this Sanlida bow. I’m presently shooting a Mathews Phase 4 29. Now, that bow has no hand shock. I have been following your channel for a while and Great Plains makes some real works of art. Plus their function. I really like the reflex/deflex longbows you make with the traditional straight handle. I would like to call and chat sometime when you haven’t got anything better to do.😂
I had a German Short Tailed Pointer once. They have lots of energy. If left loose in the shop I wonder how many bow tips he could chew up in an evening.
Ok boys, what should I get for my first bow? I was looking at this bow, another one of the sanlida bows, and I looked at the 62 inch Oberon longbow, but it’s on back order. I have no idea what my preferences are, as this would be my first bow. I’m 5’10 270 pounds and strong. 41 years old. I’m thinking 55 lb draw weight. Takedown versus solid wood? Recurve versus longbow??? I need help!!!
@@doncampbell1961 Nik did actually try his hand at it. The biggest issue with that bow is the lamination layup is simply not compatible for the location of the shelf which is 2.5" above center. There really is no fixing that bow to a great performing longbow. It's one of those bows that you're better off not ordering. I see people saying it's great performing, but my question to those people is "have you ever shot a high performing longbow?". I don't see how they could've if they think this longbow is great performing. The performance is really awful on it
@@greatplainsbow Do you think this particular bow is standard and representative of all the other ones of this brand/model? Also a question of curiosity: Of what types of wood are these bows made? Is it high quality or scrap or cheap?
Another possibility for an Amazon bow is the 62" takedown made by Tachyon. I bought one mostly for the limbs to try on my Samick Sage to check out the cross brand fit and finish. I actually became fond of the Tachyon. Mine shoots very well and is super quiet. I also like the fur string silencers they sell and put them on a few other bows. I still prefer the SWA Spyder for about the same money, but the Tachyon is all around a sweet little bow. No doubt over time production quality will show after lots of shooting. The SWA Spyder shoots as well after a few thousand shots as when i first got it. I have two of them now and a few extra sets of limbs. For all I know, the Spyder and Tachyon bow come from the same manufacturer?
@greatplainsbow Thank you Shane! I'm eager to try a reworked Sanlida one piece. I also have a Bear Grizzley to refurbish when you guys have availability. Then ultimately a Great Plains Bow before I get too old to enjoy it. Happy Resurrection Day brother! 🙏✝️🕊
Did you make Tomahawk Deluxe 3 Peace Bow (about 5 years ago)? If that's true, do you have any plans to add it to the product lineup. A friend told me that he has your 2 piece longbow, the fabrication technique is exactly the same as the tomahawk longbow, and even the signature.
We used to build the tomahawks for 3 rivers archery. We don't do it anymore due to the mark-up, but there are other companies that produce it for them. However I definitely can build you a Great Plains bow with the same limb profile as GP had a lot to do with the design of it. I cannot build a color matching replica of the tomahawk in order to respect 3 rivers and also I won't add a color matching one to the website for the same reasons. Let me know if you are interested tho. I can build one that performs as good or better than the tomahawk as I built the tomahawk for years. Email me at greatplainstradtionalbows@gmail.com
HI Chane sorry to disturb you just want to make sure if i want a 62 inch Recurve bow with 17 inch riser from where do i measure to make a 62 inch bow from the string grooves or bow tip where is the 62 inch bow tip or string grove?
@@greatplainsbow Hi Chane i am not sure where to cut the limb tip of for a 62 inch Recurve bow. Do i cut it 64 inch? Then for string i make it 62 inch menus 4 inch? I cant remember to long ago i made my Longbows?
Rework nice done. Hi Chane why do some bowyers say the bottom limb must be stronger and shorter and others say it can be even if shot three fingers under? Will there be much difference less hand chock? Or made the limbs even and tiller the top limb positive or negative?
In my opinion the best made bows are those with even length limbs and are tillered by removing a tiny bit of material from the top limb. This is a discussion that could get deep quickly. To be completely honest with you, tiller doesn't matter quite as much as people think it does.....unless of course the bow is a long way out of tiller and then it matters a whole lot to the point of not even being able to tune arrows to the bow. The fulcrum of the bow (pivot point), and the distance the shelf is from the fulcrum plays a huge role in a properly tuned and tillered bow. Each component needs to be accurate to build a high performance traditional bow. See I just made it complicated after saying it doesn't matter as much😬😆. I will do a video soon just about tiller
@@greatplainsbowThank you Chane you are the man thank you for your time. So if i make the shelf one inch above center for three fingers under that will be ok?
When you do a review you aren't comparing that particular item to what you sell. You're simply reviewing the pros and cons of the item in question. The bad items validate the good ones. Watch the previous review we did of the Sanlida recurve. We loved it. If all our reviews simply said the good things and left out the bad you wouldn't trust our reviews now would you. Think about it
Yes ours are better, however there are lots of people like you said that can't buy a custom bow and probably never will be able to. That is why we are doing this program of reworking these cheap bows and getting them into people's hands for a quarter the price. We are interested in everyone getting to enjoy archery and being able to trust their bows
@@greatplainsbow Sure, thays great. I have a few bows some custom and other not but I made some " up grades " and works great. Archery can be an amazing experience. Its not about the money. Thank you for show us that. I love your bows. 👍
@@greatplainsbow I am shooting an older lag black widow its66 56@29,not sure what you make that is comparable,any suggestion? I would not buy a sanlida bow but it gives opportunities to people that don't have a lot of money.i look forward to your reply looking to get ready for 3 d season after hunting season. thanks guys
@@stevecriswell2838 I'd be glad to help you find a perfect high performing bow that fits. If you want to choose Great Plains for your next bow it would be an honor to be your bowyer. Just email me your contact info when you want to chat at greatplainstraditionalbows@gmail.com
Your bows are over 1000.00 why are you bothering with 130.00 bows. Of course they are not going to be as good as yours. they are going to cut corners. For 130 bucks the bow is good if you are just testing the waters.
There letting u know what is worth getting. You can buy two bow $130 and one be absolute crap and the other crazy good.hats off to them they are spending the time and money on reviewing them so new archers dont have to lose money and know what There getting.
Seriously man. I can build you a cheaper GP bow than what you see on my website. Of course it won't be as cheap as Chinese bows, but then again we don't employ children or believe in slave labor
Yes, there's a lot of things that could be done to help it for sure. What we generally look for in a bow to see if we can recommend it is good performance with nothing done to it. Those are the bows that make great bows when you add accessories. If a bow performs really badly out of the box then yes you can definitely make it better, but it's not something we can honestly in good conscience recommend to new archers starting out
I didn't keep mine for 24 hours. The tips were so badly done you couldn't keep the string on it. I've got 4 of their other bows and they are pretty good except for the tiller on the 8X recurve.
Nick got a promotion to “other bowyer” up from “glue-up guy!” 🎉👍🤣🤣 It’s all a highly skilled art / science!!
Yep he's got skills!
The GSP appearing during tiller measuring was classic.
Enjoying you two Mad Rocket Scientists reviews of these Amazon Stick Flickers...I will say y'all brave shooting these in your shop!!! Keep'em coming!!!
Thanks John! Yeah it may be risky reviewing different bow brands than Great Plains in our shop, but ultimately we are interested in growing the great sport of archery so this is one way we can contribute. Happy shooting!
@@greatplainsbow this bow looks like a crappy SAS only Sanlida combined a dished grip and a notched grip and SAS has a similar issue of grip where it is poorly made so wrap spins on grip/handle. Bow from SAS in all bad reviews say hand shock is the major and about only issue of why people get rid of bow.
I like what you are doing with these bows. I spent all of last year buying various Amazon Trad bows to experience the shootability and performance of them. I also built my own strings to experience first hand the benefits. Ultimately, I learned what best fits me, what poundage I shoot best at this stage of life, and that I prefer a 62" recurve over all other dimensions and styles of bows that I have owned. With practice, I also discovered I can shoot well enough to hunt deer with most of them. When I buy a custom bow, I now know exactly what I want and need.
I would like to see you guys rework a SWA Spyder (62") and XL (64") take downs. The 62" Spyder has become my favorite economical bow. I shoot them very well. I enjoyed these take downs mostly to experience different draw weights, recurve vs longbow limbs, and over all bow lengths. Ideally, I would have a similar one piece bow. Be interesting how you assess the SWA Spyder? They shoot awesome, but are basically a refined Samick Sage.
Thanks, Tom! I'm adding it to the list now
Thank you Shane!
I wish i could return all the $100-$400 bows i bought when I first started shooting traditional archery and just buy one high quality bow from Great Plains.
That'd be awesome, Rob! We appreciate you watching our videos very much!
Gotta start somewhere
These videos are great, learning a lot.
I really like these Amazon bow reviews, even though I'll never own one,life is too short to shoot an ugly bow😅
Those takedown longbow reworks look sweet!
Interesting review. I have been shooting 1 or 2 hours a week for over a year. When I first shot the bow for 2 months, i had issues as it was my first trad bow. I added a custom string and adjusted the brace height out to 8 inches. I have had no handshock and my grouping is now within usually 4 inches of grouping from distance. Beaver puffs work great. I did switch to linkboy arrows and now even there arrows shoot tight after I refined my form.
@@worldtraveler8372 it's not a great bow
Clay Hayes uses D97 on his self bows, but I’ve always heard to not use fast flight on that type of tips.. so who knows 🤷
Yeah it's not the smartest thing to do, but you can definitely get by with it sometimes. It really all depends on each individual bow
Picked one of these up to check it out and mine had several cracks and separations in the lams. Super hard hand shock even with good arrows so I returned mine cause I knew those cracks were gonna fail sooner or later. Also it stacked like a beast for a 68" bow and arrows would drop like a rock past 20 meters.
@@ZephrusPrime yeah there seems to be a lot of issues with some of them
Y’all are doing amazing things 👍🤩
Keep up the great work 💪😃
God Bless 🙏😇❤️🇺🇸
Like I said before, if I knew half of what you two know about bow building I’d throw everything I know in the trash. I’m struggling just to make a osage self bow. Great videos keep them coming.
Thanks for watching, Gary! Never underestimate the skill it takes to build a selfbow. If you succeed in that you'll be very accomplished
KANOKI he cheapest R&D bow around $90 would be one worth testing and seeing if bow is worth fixing.
I'm getting my first longbow from boston bows ash 35lb war bow for £225.00 with Mary Rose Nocks on. Not bad for a handmade bow, don't get me wrong your bows are great I have to get me one of them one day.
Hey that sounds great! I'm sure you'll love it! Let me know how it shoots
Try cutting one of the tag ends at the splice with nail clippers. If it cuts easily, it is Dacron. If it cuts real hard or not at all, it is some type of FF/Dyneema. The reason you feel stretch by hand is the string most likely has not been stretched.
Excellent knowledge! Thank you for that!
These reviews do explain, if not explicitly, why bows from custom shops are so far more expensive. So much of the money is in the details.
Right on, Larry! You got it! Thank you so much for watching!
Just bought this longbow and I didn’t really notice the hand shock much, been a compound shooter and still am. I also have a Southwest Archery recurve that stacks terribly that I’m going to sell. I have a 29.5” drawlength. I will probably dump this Sanlida bow. I’m presently shooting a Mathews Phase 4 29. Now, that bow has no hand shock. I have been following your channel for a while and Great Plains makes some real works of art. Plus their function. I really like the reflex/deflex longbows you make with the traditional straight handle. I would like to call and chat sometime when you haven’t got anything better to do.😂
I made a set of 11/32 long spruce arrows , heavy and not to stiff. They fly pretty well.
Good deal
yeah i was having a bad day sorry about that you guys do good work 👍
All good, Zach! We appreciate you a lot!
How can I get my hands on one of them re-worked bows? Imma beginner and think it would be great to start on
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I had a German Short Tailed Pointer once. They have lots of energy. If left loose in the shop I wonder how many bow tips he could chew up in an evening.
Oh yes they can be very destructive, but also very lovable
Got this one. I like it. 👍🎯❤️🇺🇸
Thank you for the information.
Ok boys, what should I get for my first bow? I was looking at this bow, another one of the sanlida bows, and I looked at the 62 inch Oberon longbow, but it’s on back order. I have no idea what my preferences are, as this would be my first bow. I’m 5’10 270 pounds and strong. 41 years old. I’m thinking 55 lb draw weight. Takedown versus solid wood? Recurve versus longbow???
I need help!!!
please rework this bow to see if you can improve it ... I would love it.
@@doncampbell1961 Nik did actually try his hand at it. The biggest issue with that bow is the lamination layup is simply not compatible for the location of the shelf which is 2.5" above center. There really is no fixing that bow to a great performing longbow. It's one of those bows that you're better off not ordering. I see people saying it's great performing, but my question to those people is "have you ever shot a high performing longbow?". I don't see how they could've if they think this longbow is great performing. The performance is really awful on it
Same problem as Recurve is brand outside of a few Asian Recurves only makes for right eye dominate hunters.
Since you are going to give up on that project, you could try to safely add some mass weight to the riser.
Good idea
So . . . can this bow be reworked into a usable, functional bow? I am guessing no.
Well a lot could be done to get higher performance with it for sure, but no unfortunately it's not a candidate for our reworking project
@@greatplainsbow Do you think this particular bow is standard and representative of all the other ones of this brand/model? Also a question of curiosity: Of what types of wood are these bows made? Is it high quality or scrap or cheap?
Instruction manual be like: "Pull this end" xD
Another possibility for an Amazon bow is the 62" takedown made by Tachyon. I bought one mostly for the limbs to try on my Samick Sage to check out the cross brand fit and finish. I actually became fond of the Tachyon. Mine shoots very well and is super quiet.
I also like the fur string silencers they sell and put them on a few other bows. I still prefer the SWA Spyder for about the same money, but the Tachyon is all around a sweet little bow. No doubt over time production quality will show after lots of shooting.
The SWA Spyder shoots as well after a few thousand shots as when i first got it. I have two of them now and a few extra sets of limbs. For all I know, the Spyder and Tachyon bow come from the same manufacturer?
Thanks, Tom! I will research and add the tachyon to my list. I've got the spyder on the list already
@greatplainsbow Thank you Shane! I'm eager to try a reworked Sanlida one piece. I also have a Bear Grizzley to refurbish when you guys have availability. Then ultimately a Great Plains Bow before I get too old to enjoy it. Happy Resurrection Day brother!
🙏✝️🕊
@@tomvawter4531 same to you, Tom!
The string does stretch alot and I had to smooth some edges on the tips.
That's great that you like it! It's all about having fun and if you're enjoying it that's awesome!
Are you selling the reworked pmz bows
@@billnewell4456 Nik is selling them off his Facebook page @ Nik Branstine bows
Does anyone know what that thing is called that he used to string and unstring the bow? Is that home made or can I purchase one?
You can build your own! czcams.com/video/vpkCQ26rJY4/video.htmlsi=L7OEzHpXSNohjYSo
@@greatplainsbow awesome!!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@robcarr8505 you're welcome. I also sell one on my website www.greatplainsbow.com/product-page/quick-hitch-bow-stringer
@@greatplainsbow I'll buy one for sure when I have the money. The trailer hitch version looks top of the line. 🙏🙏
@@robcarr8505 It really is. They are made from solid aluminum and very expensive to build. I get a local machine shop to build them for me.
Did you make Tomahawk Deluxe 3 Peace Bow (about 5 years ago)?
If that's true, do you have any plans to add it to the product lineup.
A friend told me that he has your 2 piece longbow, the fabrication technique is exactly the same as the tomahawk longbow, and even the signature.
We used to build the tomahawks for 3 rivers archery. We don't do it anymore due to the mark-up, but there are other companies that produce it for them. However I definitely can build you a Great Plains bow with the same limb profile as GP had a lot to do with the design of it. I cannot build a color matching replica of the tomahawk in order to respect 3 rivers and also I won't add a color matching one to the website for the same reasons. Let me know if you are interested tho. I can build one that performs as good or better than the tomahawk as I built the tomahawk for years. Email me at greatplainstradtionalbows@gmail.com
HI Chane sorry to disturb you just want to make sure if i want a 62 inch Recurve bow with 17 inch riser from where do i measure to make a 62 inch bow from the string grooves or bow tip where is the 62 inch bow tip or string grove?
Sorry I didn't see this comment. Are you still needing help?
@@greatplainsbow Hi Chane i am not sure where to cut the limb tip of for a 62 inch Recurve bow. Do i cut it 64 inch? Then for string i make it 62 inch menus 4 inch? I cant remember to long ago i made my Longbows?
I like both these guys. They need to work and stay together though. The bearded fella says less and looks more closely.
Rework nice done. Hi Chane why do some bowyers say the bottom limb must be stronger and shorter and others say it can be even if shot three fingers under? Will there be much difference less hand chock? Or made the limbs even and tiller the top limb positive or negative?
In my opinion the best made bows are those with even length limbs and are tillered by removing a tiny bit of material from the top limb. This is a discussion that could get deep quickly. To be completely honest with you, tiller doesn't matter quite as much as people think it does.....unless of course the bow is a long way out of tiller and then it matters a whole lot to the point of not even being able to tune arrows to the bow. The fulcrum of the bow (pivot point), and the distance the shelf is from the fulcrum plays a huge role in a properly tuned and tillered bow. Each component needs to be accurate to build a high performance traditional bow. See I just made it complicated after saying it doesn't matter as much😬😆. I will do a video soon just about tiller
@@greatplainsbowThank you Chane you are the man thank you for your time. So if i make the shelf one inch above center for three fingers under that will be ok?
@@johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185 yep should work perfect
@@greatplainsbowThank you brother
X10 all the way
Oh you didnt loose a nock. For whatever reason they dont include one.
Why does that dog always have to be in the middle of the video
Cause they love us
change your brace height
In what respect?
its a 130 dollar bow can you guys build a better one for the same price
When you do a review you aren't comparing that particular item to what you sell. You're simply reviewing the pros and cons of the item in question. The bad items validate the good ones. Watch the previous review we did of the Sanlida recurve. We loved it. If all our reviews simply said the good things and left out the bad you wouldn't trust our reviews now would you. Think about it
Yours are better.... if you can pay it.
Yes ours are better, however there are lots of people like you said that can't buy a custom bow and probably never will be able to. That is why we are doing this program of reworking these cheap bows and getting them into people's hands for a quarter the price. We are interested in everyone getting to enjoy archery and being able to trust their bows
@@greatplainsbow Sure, thays great. I have a few bows some custom and other not but I made some " up grades " and works great.
Archery can be an amazing experience. Its not about the money. Thank you for show us that.
I love your bows. 👍
it's a 150 dollar Amazon bow,I have to question your draw,if I drew back to my ear it would be 31.5 inches
@@stevecriswell2838 pretty crappy longbow honestly
@@greatplainsbow I am shooting an older lag black widow its66 56@29,not sure what you make that is comparable,any suggestion? I would not buy a sanlida bow but it gives opportunities to people that don't have a lot of money.i look forward to your reply looking to get ready for 3 d season after hunting season. thanks guys
@@stevecriswell2838 I'd be glad to help you find a perfect high performing bow that fits. If you want to choose Great Plains for your next bow it would be an honor to be your bowyer. Just email me your contact info when you want to chat at greatplainstraditionalbows@gmail.com
Your bows are over 1000.00 why are you bothering with 130.00 bows. Of course they are not going to be as good as yours. they are going to cut corners. For 130 bucks the bow is good if you are just testing the waters.
Once again you're missing the point
There letting u know what is worth getting. You can buy two bow $130 and one be absolute crap and the other crazy good.hats off to them they are spending the time and money on reviewing them so new archers dont have to lose money and know what There getting.
@@tedluna624 thanks, Ted!
That bow not for me😏
saw your prices bows for the rich how about a a simple cheap bow a poor man can enjoy
You having a bad day, Zach? We can get you a cheap bow
Seriously man. I can build you a cheaper GP bow than what you see on my website. Of course it won't be as cheap as Chinese bows, but then again we don't employ children or believe in slave labor
What about string silencers or/and limb savers ? Are this could help ?
Yes, there's a lot of things that could be done to help it for sure. What we generally look for in a bow to see if we can recommend it is good performance with nothing done to it. Those are the bows that make great bows when you add accessories. If a bow performs really badly out of the box then yes you can definitely make it better, but it's not something we can honestly in good conscience recommend to new archers starting out
I didn't keep mine for 24 hours. The tips were so badly done you couldn't keep the string on it.
I've got 4 of their other bows and they are pretty good except for the tiller on the 8X recurve.