Are E Bikes Fast? | EMBN Vs GMBN
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2018
- Challenge time! It's GMBN Vs EMBN! Can Neil get away from Steve on his Nukeproof Mega? Can Neil even keep up with Steve and his Specialized Kenevo up the climbs? Neil thinks that above pedal assist speed...he might stand a chance! Let's find out 🤘
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In this GMBN Vs EMBN, we're looking at three aspects of speed! Climbing, technical singletrack and descending. Which bike comes out on top? As we sum up in the conclusion, any bike has the capacity to be fast...it all depends on who's riding it...but this sure was a fun test!
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Anyone else as surprised as I am on how good a rider Steve actually is? Amazing! I mean no offense, but I honestly didn't believe you could hang with Neil so well on the downhill.
Steve's fast!
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Did Steve write that!?
Hahaha, no! 😉
Literally the first thing I thought, fair play to him
Ex downhiller right? Dirt Mag? Surely you'd expect a turn of speed.. Honestly, waiting for two bikes to sell then got to decide which e bike..
Before I switched to eMTB I felt like an alien in the forest (of Dean).
On the parking lot I see 90% driving a diesel, 40% smoking (fake) cigarettes and 30% are overweight (and 20% are wearing ridiculous armour).
Pushing up the bikes takes them half a day and than they make it down and drink a beer to celebrate.
When I pass by pushing pedals a max to speed up the push up trail some moan "you are cheating".
Well I'm cycling and you are pushing my friend.
eMTB are so much fun. On my normal MTB I used to cycle 20 miles whereas now I can cycle up to 60miles (with a spare battery).
I did 120 miles last week on mine. Could never do that on my old bike 🧟♂️
I've been riding MTB and Road bikes since the mid 1980s. I have a great baseline fitness, and I can't wait to get an ebike for some of the longer trails I have ridden for years. I'm assuming, based on the mode used, a person can still maintain their baseline fitness, with an eMTB. I have never understood the hate for ebikes. It doesn't make any sense to me. Who cares so much about how or what other people ride, unless you are in a competition with them? I'm getting to the age I can't push like I used to, and still recover well. I ride moto cross and technical trails on my motorcycle, and after a full day of that, I feel almost as hammered as I do after a full day on my regular MTB. When I have the power of my motorcycle, I ride harder, tackle much more technical terrain, and still get my HR up to where I get it on a bicycle. Granted, if I want rest, I can get it and still fly down a trail. I would think an eMTB would be harder than a motorcycle, but easier than a regular bike. I would like to have the option. Especially when I ride with my friends who are 15 to 20 years younger than me. Thanks for the channel and the great videos. I plan on buying an eBike for my 50th bday present! :)
You guys are really having fun, love your videos, best regards from Munich
is staves seat annoying anyone else? hahaha but nag solid video keep it up
LB3 Bradley how is he not sliding off?
It would murder your my lower back on the steep climbs.
yeah I recon hhahahh
On the Kenevo the remote dropper actually tilts back when fully down to help you slide off the back on downhills. When it isn't fully down it is flat (or where you have set it).
LB3 Bradley yes
Yeah he sterilized his nuts for sure riding that.
goodness this vid is one of the most interesting, fun vid ive watched for days. I guess the joy of enjoyment do spread through it.
Love the comparison and am glad that those E-bikes exist. Steve is a bit older and I'm sure he could not have gone up that hill as "fast" as Neil did or enjoy the downhill afterwards as much. Therefore this bike is amazing and this ride was great fun for both. That's what you want with your friends, isn't it?
Loved the banter and the comparison, very enjoyable video Steve and Neil. I'm a new subscriber and I enjoy waking up to have a coffee while I watch the latest shenanigans from your channels - whether GMBN or EMBN. I've recently returned to the sport of mountain biking after a 15 year layoff . . . and EMTB's have got me back into it! I don't have one at the moment, but I had a chance to sample both a Merida and a Specilized Levo while I was in Tasmania on some beautiful classic trails @ Derby (in Tasmania) and oh boy . . . hasn't tech come a long way! I was super surprised that I was still getting a great workout on the EMTB's; and I felt like I could really enjoy the climbing components of the trail without being completely knackered by them. Thumbs up and keep up the great vids :)
Thanks for the feedback! Sounds like the perfect way to enjoy our shows :)
Great fun. Loved it guys. Also got my embn jerseys this weekend. Whoop whoop.
Wicked! thanks for supporting us :)
Looks like you really put your heart in that race, that was fun to watch.
Loving this. I totally agree with the sentiment at the end. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I appreciate the differences. On my enduro bike it feels more nimble, much easier to manual and bunny hop. The e-bike gets me more runs and is still a ton of fun. No way would I give up either bike :-)
That’s a great video boys! It’s all about the fun if you ask me 😁
Agree with you there Martin. Great to hear you like the video. Cheers!
Exactly
Ride what you want. It’s damn near childish to get all huffy n puffy toward another rider based on what floats their boat. And those idiots who actually get emotionally distressed over someone riding an Ebike shows legitimate mental deficiency. I couldn’t imagine watching somebody doing something they love (like ride an Ebike) , and feel the need to knock them down a pin. There’s one thing we can judge each other on, not which bike, but how we treat one another while we’re out there.
i saw a video on FB about a son buying his aged father an E-road bike , so he could keep up with the rest of the crew, i think this is one of the legit reasons to get an E bike
I think a legit reason, is buying a whatever dammed bupe you want. Regardless of what others think. Not their bike? Not their problem. But for real though, this is an amazing thing for people with injuries or back issues.
Been riding for 20+ years and these assisted bikes are unbelievable! Best thing that's happed to mtbs IMO
Nice one!
I am not a bike rider but recently purchased 2 hub drive Ebikes for my wife and I . Rode close to 12 miles in 2 days peddling on assist mode and plan on continuing to get into shape
You can talk smack about E-bikes, but having tried a top of the range. its actually quite a different fun experience. And really really quick
It's amazing seeing the two different riding styles between Neil and steve 🤘🤘
Guys, What - 15 mph Limit?!?
The Ominous UK - :). Alas, we have our own "problem" (e.g. control) states/areas as well! But generally, about 20 - 25 mph here.
Thanks for the great video/ride sequences!
I hope to be able to be 76% :), as good some day. I am an Disabled USMC Vet saving up for an Electric Bike to ride for exercise & to live long be strong again.
Fun video with friend having a blast, killer stuff guys, lol.
More of these comparisons!
Try more types of trails and courses, and change riders on the bikes.
I love how people say "e-bike is for old people or guys with disability" .But it u are physically fit you can get twice more from e-bike and still have more than enough activity for you body and lot kms in day.I love bikes all kinds from my childhood but innovation like e-bike is step fwd now can have fun even in uphill .
Great ride guys!
Great vid guys, just makes me want to cycle more, whether it be my HT, dually or ebike. Its the motorbikes that have lost the love, bored of the same roads and have to drive a long way out of Sydney to go offroad. Pedal power on endless trails...love it!
Great video guys
Great video 👌
Thanks Luis!
Fun vid. Gotta love Neil hitting the power button and riding off!
Thanks guys awsome video
Man I want an ebike so bad now , people need to understand that not everyone enjoys the climb as much as others no matter how for you might be , there’s some people like myself who just wants to ride downhill and enjoy the sceneries but I hate the climbs
Im more worried about Steves rear with that saddle angle...
Dan Grant agreed
Tim Rowsell ahh I see, still , could be very iffy in a crash :0
Loved this!! Both FTW!
Cheers Tomi!
Great stuff, I put my self build ebike up against my mate at the black runs on Llandegla at the weekend, he was on that exact same standard bike, I was on my 50lb hub drive, it's a tank built for ground clearance more than anything.
Wooped me downhill, more due to me constantly overcooking the power trying to reel him in and ending up missing the bends.
Uphill, just a joy to behold as I have just as much fun dealing with the terrain, meanwhile my mate arrived a good 15 mins later on the full climb, he was destroyed, mentally as well.
The hub drive gives a different ride, the pedal assist gives a smooth gearless push regardless of the chain gear and is good for climbing over difficult terrain, but the unspring weight is nasty.
Passing everyone on the climb just doesn't feel right though, and I can see it causing problems between the two camps.
Ebikes are going to need some concrete rules of behaviour.
ride what you want. but for me half the experience is the climb, its about fitness, sense of accomplishment, and makes you feel you earned that downhill.
I earn 5 downhills with my ebike. Do you use a push motor to mow your lawn? Manual garage door opener? Come lift with me some time. I use free weights at the gym. I am fit and accomplish more in the gym in one day then most pencil necked push bikers.
FAST BIKE RIDER why be such a dick about it? He said that for HIM the climb feels like earning the decent on the downhill and I agree. I don't give a shit about you lifting weights or who is faster. I think ebikes are a great invention just not for me right now.
So true
it´s the steroids talking =))))
Having spent time on an ebike, You get just as much of a sense of accomplishment, you can climb steeper more technical sections than you ever could without the peddle assist. You don't have to go everywhere on full assist either. Just 10% is enough to keep you going when you would normally be finished. Running them on turbo all the time is a party piece for videos like this, you cant do that all day on them. Also I am equally exhausted at the end of the day they are not cheating at all. Use one correctly and you are battered at the end of the day only difference is you have done 3-4X the amount of actual bike riding
15 KPH is too slow IMO. Man that 55 year old guy can ride very well.
Not up hill it’s not.
15.5MPH not KPH. That is quite a bit faster. Plus you can de-restrict for off road use and LOADS of people do that. Personally I feel the USA limit of 20MPH is perfect and UK needs to update laws.
Great video good job
I think it more about fun and having a nice time. An e bike can help to achieve that goal for some people.
i'm so skeptical and negatively-biased on these relatively expensive, heavy, motorized, pedal-assisted mountain bikes, until i tried one on a bike-demo day, the Specialized Turbo Levo. Rode it on steep uphill trail... honestly, i saw the "light!" :-D
I just need to try then I'm sure I will buy
Sweet Kenevo 👍👍👍👊
The more runs the more practise
Might help us oldies starting later in life
I will never own a non e bike ever again in my life i have never ever had as much fun and I have been riding for 27 years. I now call it e adventure riding because you can do soooo much riding cover huge distance do a run 5 times for every other riders one. I have heart rate data going back 20 years the average hr is exactly the same so fitness same but distance per hour covered about 30 to 35% more just more fun for me. If you don't like e bikes don't buy one but don't hate them they are the future. I promise if you use one for a week you will never give it back.
The question is would you rather a Road E bike and a normal downhill bike or a E MTB bike ?
You cannot do 5 runs to their one that is a ridiculous exaggeration and not even a good point if it were true since the trails will erode 5 times faster (more due to the heft). I do enjoy my Turbo Kenevo but it IS cheating and feels like it. The bike gives 4X power so it massively easier. That is literally the point. Best for older or injured riders, or those with no shuttle service doing DH.
I think lots of people never had a motorbike and get the slight thrill of that from an Ebike.
They are good fun, just people need to get real even if they are justifying a mega expense.
@@kingerz You haven’t properly read what rational thinker said.
An Ebike can be used as YOU + EBIKE. If YOU have an FTP of 300watts and the bike (Levo) gives 560watts that gives a total of 860watts.
This is a much faster riding experience than one would normally get given an FTP of 300 watts.
I have the same heart rate data over 15 years of hard XC training and can confirm the data shows a similar effort but greater speed.
Of course one can be lazy if one chooses by using the highest power mode and soft-pedalling everywhere, but you are WRONG to assume
all Ebike riders use their bikes in the same way.
Some riders give just as full an effort on an Ebike as they do on a non Ebike and use the extra power to ride faster rather than easier.
Does this make sense to you?
That trail is sick!
Niel doesnt need a motor, hes got gladiator legs
JorgePT I
In Lisbon, there’s an uphill bike race called “subida à glória”. For the first time, this year, e-bikes were allowed, but the best time is still on a regular bike: 35 vs 39 seconds. It’s a 270 meter climb, with 17% gradient average, on cobble stones and a lot of cable car tracks. A cyclists nightmare, but a lot of fun... to watch :)
This to say that I think a regular bike can often be faster than an ebike.
Emtn bikes are a great time I just bought one and have found all kinds of trails in my area of NY. I own 3 e bikes and am ready to buy another one. Lol. Im going to spend 6 or 7000 this time and get somethin really nice. Hard to make my mind up with all the nice emtn bikes being made. Im 55 years old and am having a great time while improving my health. You guys make great videos I enjoy watching you and then going out riding with my friend who just bought a Haibike.
The restrictor. Pedal bikes don't have a restrictor. I will be one with a de-restrictor on my Canyon.
What Ive found with my 2022 CF8 Canyon, the weight and good suspension really help it roll straight thru rocks.
Our local park is full of rocks and lava cap. I am flat out amazed how this E bike eats it all up
I also like being able to come to a near stop, then blast up a 30' climb that is way steep, no way to just pedal up it.
I havent missed a climb yet. I knew it would be fun but its ridiculously fun!
Me:
"Okay, so how can I whore myself out to afford to own and maintain one of these things...?"
Inner angel: "Don't worry, it'll all get sorted eventually."
Inner demon: "Bro fuck that shit, you need this thing rn."
i never knew this channel existed!
my girlfriend and i bought two rather cheap e bikes and i was surprised how good they were. not for the enviroment steve uses it obviously but for forrest ways and such thes are more than usable, get us into the fresh air and even with the assist requires you still to move your legs. now we gotta earn ourselves that ice cream ;)
Right, now lets pedal up that ride and do it again! Eeeeerrrr what? Yup Im sold!
Hell of a video
Great video I agreed I own a Spec Enduro and I've compared Enduro vs Levo, super steep, high tech or jumpy trails Enduro would win but 80% of down trails very similar. Uphill no contest, uphill on an ebike becomes a fun challenge, it's incredible what you can ride up!!
That's the spirit James! We're running a new hillclimb segment in the EMBN Show so if you get any footage of your crazy climbs make sure to send it in! :)
I love the bronze gold color on the front fork tubes for the non electric bike
It's all a matter of preference. If you like working your way up the hill then riding down that's great but to be the fun part of a trail it the technical parts and cornering.
I have to say, it's not really the bike that's fast (as was mentioned in the video) it's definitely more to do with the rider. I ride on MTB club rides weekly, and there are a few riders on non-ebikes that I literally cannot keep up with (apart from steep climbs) on my Levo. A couple of them are even on single speed bikes. I'm quite an average rider, but perhaps a more advanced and fitter rider could keep up with them.
I tore my left achilles and it's really painful to ride up hill with my left foot on my non electric, even taking right corners hurt. My Focus Jam2 EMTB has dramatically eased it and I love riding again!
What a pitiful world we're becoming when people can't ride a bike any type, for whatever reason, without some douche being negative because their opinion differs from yours about how you should ride a bike. FFS. By the way Lads you got a fantastic channel here so keep these great vids coming. You got yourselves another subscriber.
Great video Neil is such a good rider love his skills
Great fun video The battle of wise age with battery power and youth on moving on his quick skill to stay ahead of the E bike....my only thought I am torn between a Giant E Mt Bike 2019 model $5,300 USA 🇺🇸 💰and a Trance $8,000 2018 model reduced to same price point as the E which in my eyes 👀 is now a tough choice .My thought is once the battery dies and I still want to Ride I’ll just be carrying a extra 15lbs of stuff it seems I don’t need out in the woods 😎🤔🇺🇸🇺🇸. Cheers Keep up the great videos 😎👍
Well that looked super cool and like a lot of fun. I don’t care what your riding go for what suits you the best.
Nice race. Very funny indeed.
Test the ebike with the battery empty😆
i have the same trouble but ebikes are great
Test the mega bike with a pensioner.
Then it's just a heavy bike
Im propably getting an Emtb next year...
What is the music playing when the second challenge starts? If sb knows please answer
I dont understand people hating on ebikes the only advantage you have is taht you dont need to drive by car LIKE PPL WITH NORMAL MTBs to your trails.
I'm wedded to my old fashioned hardtail which is always overloaded with shopping/camping gear but whenever I talk to e-bike riders they are usually saying their knees prevented them from cycling UNTIL they got the e-bike. (They're often fat or old).
The great thing about them is they make cycling accessible to those who otherwise would just drive everywhere or worse - get the fucking bus.
Absolute Gold video , extremely jealous I don't have a e bike YET great riding to both of you Steve please Wear your knee pads your like Angus today from AC/DC a big well done to both of you . Cheers 🍻
Haha, nothing wrong with a bit of Angus! We'll tell him to remember to pack them next time 😂
Nick Watkins why do you want an e bike you're training your condition way less and I think you'll get bored
Cmon fuck that e shit
I'm guessing the lens (and the ebike) really took the steepness out of that climb. Neil definitely put it back in with his 'effort' though 😂
... Great channel. Would be cool to see just some more riding videos. Don’t have to be always comparsions or how to vids. Anyway, great job...
I get a lil jealous struggling up a hill and seeing how easy ebike people have it but i would still take the struggle for the gratification i get once finally making it up
“I thought it was the power to ride further not to be more smug”
smarmy pukes with motors
if you say e bikes are for lazy people, it's because your mind is locked up in a bike park, simply said. I have a traditional XC FS bike and I use to go out and ride with my friends on natural trails and we do also ride our way to them on the road, no puny cars to get there. We use to spend a whole Sunday from 8am to 5-6pm and we have much fun discovering new places, but the distance is a limitation on the given time. With e bikes we could do the same, but for a longer distance and have more fun the whole day without going off the bike! Seriously try one and set your mind to exploring new grounds.
How far can you ride in a day on an ebike compared to a normal bike?
Buying the westhill ghost bike next week
I’ve ridden that course with Jones. And considering he is both an antique, and he managed to put about a thousand pints of cider the night before. I had my arse liberally handed to me.
Love seeing all the middle aged men who are trying to prove their worth by competing in any and all things, hate on people who own e bikes. Not everyone rides a bike for competition you know, there are people who just ride alone for fun or with their family. Just because someone on an e bike is faster than you doesn't mean you are not good anymore and need to attack another persons choice.
That Nukeproof looks like it's having way more fun on the trail.
Think about a E bike Supercross race ? The coarse would have berms, pump track style bumbs, dirt jumper style jumps, etc. A battery size rule so you still pedal. Very Physical ?
What bikes were you guys using?
I was going to buy the Levo Turbo Comp eMTB but the €6299 price tag just stuck in my throat, I ended up buying the Focus Jam2 6.7 nine for €3799 (list price €4299). I was out on it every day in the hilly forests where I live and loved it but it started feeling just a bit too easy even in ECO mode, so I bought the Focus Jam 6.8 (normal MTB) with full XT group set and must admit I'm loving this more than the eMTB. Although the eMTB is so much fun to ride, it just feels like cheating (for me) but I would not begrudge anyone who uses one. I'll probably use the eMTB a lot more in the winter when cycling is less fun as this will even things out.
I love the sheep skull trail they rode
you can't beat the don downhill.... nice vid,guys
Cheers Helmut
Late post here.... need some insight.
I’m about to pull the trigger on a ‘19 Kenevo. I currently ride a ‘17 Enduro as my daily driver.... the Enduro suits my riding style and local terrain very nicely.
Curious about the Kenevo vs a typical enduro bike on the descents. Looks like Neil is having a bit more airtime and lifting the front end whenever necessary. Steve looks more planted. Is that due to the bike? Or more due to rider style.
My climbs and descents in Pennsylvania are usually steep and technical. Medium sized hits and little senders everywhere. I’m trying to decide between the Kenevo and the new Levo as my first ebike. Penny for your thoughts?
AWESOME! I watched this twice! It's always great to see people having fun! I got an ebike (Trek Powerfly 7) this winter and hope to keep up with my friend that I call "Captain Cardio" this year. I'm faster than him on downhill and some technical stuff, but he always wins by a mile... or more :( We'll see!
Steve’s seat position is hilarious
1:41 I dare you to race an f-15 fighter jet and tell me and how far your fitness and skill goes
E-Bikes are a great solution for aging riders who simply can't operate a standard MTB anymore. We all age and we'll all need assistance sometime in our life.... so... you either quit riding or use an e-bike and gain many more years of riding.
Wow the motor bike is faster then a bicycle what a surprise.
Pedal Assist vs. Human powered.
@@fastbikerider476 yes with a motor so motor bike
@@ollierichards6508 why you calling jesus retarded, you ever met him? Stop being so mean 🖕
0:01 neil is a EMBN presenter?
I dont think so
#EMBNQuestions I would like to see a real downhill test ie; both bikes,1 hill paved, same rider, coasting(motor off). As i understand it physics says that the ebike due to it's weight would be slower to accelerate but would reach a higher top end, but what about the motor/gear drag, how does that affect the results.
Second question; You have been dealing with mid-drive bikes so far. Can you put a front drive hub on one and make it 2-wheel drive? How does that affect handling/performance? We all know the battery will die sooner.
Lastly as this video proved Steve used less energy going up the hills and so was able to narrow the gap with a greater burst available since his legs were not as depleted.(?)
I'd like to see Neil challenging Steve without battery. How fast an e-bike not charged would be? Cause it can really happen in a real life?
Nice trail.
Anyone knows the song at the beggining of the hill climb challenge?
I think that is ebikes are fun af and no one can stop me riding them so ΠΑΡΤΕ ΤΑ ΑΡΧΙΔΙΑ ΜΟΥ
4:09 descenders vibe intensifies
E bikes may be fun, I've never tried but does it feel connected to the road like when you pedal? I don't mountain bike so either way it doesn't bother me
What Ergon saddle is on the mega
E-bikes will probably in a near future dominate the market for recreational cycling. They getting cheaper and better every year. For competition unassisted bikes will still be the norm. But there will probably be some e-bike competitions as well. Normal bicycles will be something seen in a museum, just as hand saws and double axes to fell trees.
HELLO , what is the mudguard on the kenevo please ? thx you,re good
? where buy this?
Go to gmbn website shop.
Too cool seeing the Don do what he does best.. Keep away from those bloody road bikes Neil, you'll live longer..
You should do a e downhill bike vs downhill bike
Hi,
I”d like to see some better budget options for ebike converters or less expensive ebikes reviewed. I live in the United States and would love an ebike but the price is too elite for my desire. I’m 49 years young, but I’m 5ft 8inches and weigh a whopping 200lbs. So I love mountain biking here in Connecticut, but it is very hill packed and endurance to ride for the day in woods is quite difficult. To me I’d love to have that confidence to know I could push myself longer because I”d have a little help if I needed it.... I could focus more on enjoying my ride, rather than the the fear of trying to over exerting myself trying to get through it all.
Sadly $1,500+ is not in my budget.