E-03. J. Bruce Ismay - PART TWO
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Today we rejoin Ismay aboard Titanic for the collision, sinking and rescue. No Hollywood magic here. This is the Titanic disaster in a survivor's own words.
THIS EPISODE IS AUDIO ONLY!
Welcome to WITNESS TITANIC, a new podcast where we interview witnesses of the infamous Titanic disaster including modern experts, enthusiasts and even the survivors of the sinking. Like the century-old inquiries that came before us, we may never fully determine what really happened on that cold April night but you may be surprised to find how close our efforts will bring us to Titanic herself...
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I'm glad you are making people realize Bruce Ismay is not a horrible mustache twirling villain but a person with feelings.
Love these! Wish they came faster! ❤
Keep these up, they're great
Piece of advice though, you might want to put inquiry or something in the title, it's only a trick of the algorithm that I found these at all
Appreciate the effort and my opinion of Bruce has been changed. I feel bad for the guy now.
This is great! Many people are pointing out that he apparently wasn't a great person in general, but my feelings still stand. Nobody deserves what he went through.
Love it!
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I think it's a good thing to rehabilitate Ismay. Individuals like me who have already made a serious mistake in their lives will understand (fortunately in my case, there were no serious consequences). We are human, and the instinct for survival exists!
I know very little about Ismay's life after the Titanic tragedy: I know that he lost his post as president, that he withdrew from public life and that he committed himself to good works. The most critical will say that it was just another way of clearing their conscience... but I agree with you in the idea that his place in a boat provided valuable testimony: if he had lost his life, his actions in favor of poor people during the rest of his life would never have been accomplished.
Finally, to conclude, his discretion in my opinion that he carried a heavy burden and that he had certainly lost a great joy of life. Universal forgiveness takes on its full meaning here.
I'm now wondering why Cameron painted him in such a horrible light?
Every movie before did the same and every movie after will too. He's the perfect villain and every movie needs one. Andrews meanwhile will always have a heart of gold (though he apparently did). And Captain Smith will always be portrayed as shell shocked during the sinking... these are tropes of storytelling. The kind of thing you learn on the first day of a screenwriting class... unfortunately for those of us who would prefer an accurate movie even if it is more boring.
Ismay lies when he says he never looked back at the Titanic, but just rowed away. When you are rowing away from a ship, you are facing rearwards, and therefore Ismay had to be looking at the Titanic as he rowed. An obvious lie. If he lied once about something so trivial, he undoubtedly lied about more important issues.
I enjoyed listening to this and the earlier two James.
Thanks Steve! I would love to have you join as a "witness" very soon if you are available!
@@WitnessTitanic You have a good style; a good communicator.
Bruce did nothing wrong. I would have got into the lifeboat myself.
I don't think he asked Smith or Bell to push the ships speed.
He was one Olympic's maiden voyage. Has anyone uncovered what he said to the same during that voyage.
How fast could Titanic have gone ? At a push, 23 knots.
@@SteveHall.Author Thats a great point about Olympic's maiden voyage. Worth mentioning on a future episode...
Ismay and Smith were callous and reckless with the lives of the people on the Titanic. They did the equivalent of following the road speed limit during a whiteout snowstorm, ignoring the warnings from other ships that conditions were unusually bad.
You'd do well to listen to the two prior episodes of this podcast/inquiry.
Is it toxic masculinity that men chose to forego getting into a lifeboat? Or was it because the self sacrificial attitude that men had at the time was exactly what led to there not being a mass panic or violent chaos erupting amongst passengers as seen in other shipwrecks.
It’s because most men did NOT have the attitude you expressed of wanting to get into the first lifeboat they could that those who were saved were able to do so in a relatively calm and dignified manner.
But Toxic masculinity and self sacrificial attitude WERE around at other shipwrecks of the time and so were panics, rapes, and mutiny