RTX 4060 vs 4070 in 2024 is it worth an extra $250?!?!?

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  • This review of the RTX 4060 vs the RTX 4070 focuses on finding what the actual end-user experience with these products would be like. Which often isn't as simple as "x more frames".
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    Chapters:
    0:00 GPU reviews don't always show the real differences in user experience
    2:58 Summary of launch review stats for 4060 vs 4070
    4:00 8GB VRAM vs 12GB VRAM
    5:12 Current pricing 4060 vs 4070
    6:00 My 4070 is Founders Edition, 4060 is ASUS DUAL OC
    6:32 Avatar 1080p Ultra
    6:40 Avatar 1440p Ultra
    7:07 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
    7:34 Avatar 1440p High
    8:01 Realistic 1440p settings Avatar
    8:29 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
    8:55 Lords of the Fallen 1080p High
    9:23 Realistic 1080p Settings Lords of the Fallen
    9:50 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
    10:17 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
    10:45 Lords of the Fallen 1440p High
    11:11 Realistic 1440p Settings Lords of the Fallen
    11:39 RoboCop 1080p Epic
    12:06 RoboCop 1080p High
    12:33 Realistic 1080p settings RoboCop
    13:00 RoboCop 1440p Epic
    13:28 RoboCop 1440p Epic DLSS Q
    13:55 RoboCOp 1440p Epic DLSS 3 Q with FG On
    14:22 RoboCop 1440p High
    14:49 Realistic 1440p settings RoboCop
    15:17 Starfield 1080p Ultra
    15:44 Realistic 1080p settings Starfield
    16:11 Starfield 1440p Ultra
    16:38 Realistic 1440p settings Starfield
    17:05 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
    17:32 Realistic 1080p settings Alan Wake 2
    18:00 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
    18:27 Realistic 1440p settings Alan Wake 2
    18:54 Alan Wake 2 High with RT High DLSS Q
    19:21 Different RT experiences Alan Wake 2
    19:49 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS Q
    20:16 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS 3 Q with FG On
    20:43 Realistic 1080p Ray Tracing settings Cyberpunk
    21:10 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra
    21:37 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
    22:04 Realistic 1440p settings Cyberpunk 2077
    22:34 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1080p Max
    22:59 Realistic 1080p settings Resident Evil 4
    23:26 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1440p Max
    23:53 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1440p Prioritize Graphics
    24:20 Baldur's Gate 3 1080p Ultra
    24:47 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
    25:15 CoD MW3 1080p Basic
    25:42 CoD MW3 1440p Basic
    26:09 Final Thoughts
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Komentáře • 287

  • @GamingBits-py1or
    @GamingBits-py1or Před měsícem +128

    I really like this idea. Instead of reviewing it like "how much fps do thse cards get at x settings", you review like "at what settings do these cards get 60/120/170/240 fps?"
    I really like this. Not sure it entirely gets around thise things like automatic (intransparent) lower res textures even if it condraticts settings, but given that - i assume - most people go for FPS rather than quality (at least up until a point), i really want to see more of this.

  • @Nateyo
    @Nateyo Před měsícem +147

    tiny daniel owen is hilarious

  • @danielowentech
    @danielowentech  Před měsícem +70

    This time I uploaded it with audio lol! Thanks to the quick commenters on the previous upload who caught the issue. (Actually what happened was I accidentally uploaded the benchmark footage file instead of the full review file with me talking, etc).

  • @christophv.9506
    @christophv.9506 Před měsícem +77

    Daniel, you`re by far the best and most versatile mousepointer on the whole interweb. Keep doing what you`re doing! You`re awesome.🙂

    • @danielowentech
      @danielowentech  Před měsícem +47

      Thanks! Ever since I was a small child, I have always aspired to become the world's greatest mouse pointer.

    • @GeekBastion
      @GeekBastion Před měsícem +6

      @@danielowentech mission accomplished!

    • @antondovydaitis2261
      @antondovydaitis2261 Před měsícem +1

      🎶 D-A-N
      I-E-L
      M-O-U-S-E! 🎵

  • @ZeroZingo
    @ZeroZingo Před měsícem +34

    Yes, this is what you shine at. A channel with normaly a positive tonality, showing us what we can do with the hardware and not focusing so much on the can't. However, if a card can't play a game at reasonable settings it is important to know this as well. Treat us as adults that can make our own descision if a product is right to buy.
    Also, you don't need to have (and I don't think that you do) super focus on the commercial aspect of the products. Most reviews at least I watch, I watch because I'm interessted in hardware and what it can do, not because I buy each and every thing.
    The video you got here is a great example of you doing what you do best!

    • @ehenningsen
      @ehenningsen Před měsícem

      Me too. At best, cynism is ignorant or misinformed. At worst, it reveals or breeds narcissistic behavior.

  • @EditUMedia
    @EditUMedia Před měsícem +28

    Now we need an official Daniel Owen mouse cursor

  • @DuXQaK
    @DuXQaK Před měsícem +4

    Great review format. Getting both the head-to-head and fps by settings comparisons is v.helpful info

  • @glowinTHX
    @glowinTHX Před měsícem +8

    1 minute into the video and you're bringing into light what is obvious to oldschool PC Gamers but not so obvious to people that blindly follow what other people say and do. You're one of the best out there Daniel 👏👏👏👏

  • @TheSquarri
    @TheSquarri Před měsícem +38

    If you feel bad, remember me - I bought 4070 two weeks before the release of the Super version

    • @robbrg246
      @robbrg246 Před měsícem +1

      I did the same but I got it on a boxing day sale. I still paied less than what it's being sold for new today. So I don't feel super bad lol

    • @gamingmax9455
      @gamingmax9455 Před měsícem +1

      I see the joke u made there @robbrg246. Saying I don’t feel SUPER bad…..😂. That’s kinda messed up man

    • @Fluskar
      @Fluskar Před měsícem +3

      u didnt see the leaks? cuz ppl knew the super varients were coming for a couple of months lol

    • @apostolos8734
      @apostolos8734 Před měsícem

      Don't feel bad, I did the same, though I had some store credit when I got it so I didn't speed much outta pocket.

    • @farazsiddiqui1312
      @farazsiddiqui1312 Před měsícem

      Nah you're fine because the horse power of 4070 super will be useless and limited by vram in a few years

  • @JonasGJ
    @JonasGJ Před měsícem +4

    Great video, hoping for a comparison between all models in the 4000 series in the future.

  • @Plague_Doc22
    @Plague_Doc22 Před měsícem +2

    Floating Daniel is needed for my x-mas tree. If you do merch, you need to make either a sticker or a magnet with you pointing up or down.

  • @antant06
    @antant06 Před měsícem +2

    Another great video about the real world usage of cards. The analysis is so helpful thanks :)

  • @dumamilk
    @dumamilk Před měsícem +1

    I like this new comparison you're doing.

  • @viamoiam6160
    @viamoiam6160 Před měsícem

    Commenting to boost!
    I like this. Great GPU reviews show what the actual experience is like. Nice to see you demonstrate the settings you would actually use.
    Most people would appreciate seeing how the cards perform with monitors that are pretty common. I hope you test on a 1080p, 1440p, or an ultrawide screen. Your expensive C1 OLED probably makes stuff look pretty amazing. .... Maybe your monitor supports some of the various resolutions/screen sizes as it is quite fancy or would make stuff more noticeable. This may not be practical for you to experience.
    Even 24" or 27" Desktop Screen at 1080p shows different quality settings with a different experience. Again hard to test so many combos.
    RX 6600 / 6600 XT users: These are 8GB cards that may benefit from the community drivers where user can enable vram compression.

  • @leiyoh3311
    @leiyoh3311 Před měsícem +2

    This is why I like this channel. Nice job!

  • @kingcaesar3693
    @kingcaesar3693 Před měsícem +6

    I always run the textures on high-ultra, shadows low-medium, and then everything else just medium. Rarely do I try to max everything out. I'm trying to get 60FPS minimum on every game. more on MP games, but co-op and single player I think 60 is fine.

  • @arkh1730
    @arkh1730 Před měsícem +4

    4070 costs twice as much can't compare

  • @MrCommunistGen
    @MrCommunistGen Před měsícem

    Wow. I appreciate all the work you put into this to capture all the data and perform the analysis.

  • @johndelabretonne2373
    @johndelabretonne2373 Před měsícem +5

    Daniel Owens always talking real world performance to the next level! I really think that this way if presenting the information will be very useful to many people; it really let's you know exactly what you will be getting...

  • @rubenpelli
    @rubenpelli Před měsícem

    Possibly the best review format I’ve seen on CZcams, thank you 🙏

  • @juanblanco7898
    @juanblanco7898 Před měsícem

    Very interesting. That's a great review. Much more insightful and useful than just looking at raw performance differences or/and FPS per dollar. What difference does a good FPS/dollar value makes if you can't achieve performance and visual quality target that's comfortable for you.

  • @christroy8047
    @christroy8047 Před měsícem +2

    Daniel, you're actually the best at this - no one compares graphics cards better. The problem with most reviewers is they use VERY old games and benchmark these new cards which to me is TOTALLY redundant. Why? We all know new hardware will chew through a game from 2010-2015 and rendering engines have changed so much. GREAT work keep it up we are luck to have you in the tech space!

  • @ehenningsen
    @ehenningsen Před měsícem +3

    The difference between medium and ultra has shrunk considerably.
    Thank You, Daniel for realism and for your edge-running.

  • @jorge69696
    @jorge69696 Před měsícem +2

    Something no one has done yet is a performance equalized visual comparison.
    Configure the games until you get say 60 fps and then compare what the image quality differences are.
    Similar to what you are doing here but a video solely focused on image quality would be great.

  • @Xilent1
    @Xilent1 Před měsícem +9

    I always wondered this. Its CZcamsrs fault. They have people thinking you gotta play all your games on Ultra or the GPU isn't worth it. YOU DON"T HAVE TO PLAY ON ULTRA to get the best experience. Optimized settings is the best way. Big part was Hardware Unboxed along with other getting people riled up about VRAM. Just optimize your settings. Those people skipped over a 4070 SUPER cause they're worried about VRAM when you don't need to play all games on ULTRA settings. Insane.

  • @nifftwatkins3135
    @nifftwatkins3135 Před měsícem

    Daniel, thanks. Please consider doing a video on selecting a graphics card for 4k, esp for single player games and a 60+ fps experience.

  • @globusdiablo
    @globusdiablo Před měsícem

    Have you made a pros and cons for DLSS/FSR vs native resolution? I would love to hear your opinion.

  • @Owyn95-wl3vw
    @Owyn95-wl3vw Před měsícem

    Thank you for this video! I love the way you approach your GPU testing. Until recently I played on a system with an i7-3770K and a 1070 Ti. Dropping the settings I usually managed to reach 50 to 60 fps in Games like Witcher 3, Tomb Raider Series, Pathfinder, BG 3 or Kingdom Come. As you said, it is all a question of what you are willing to sacrifice from the graphical beauty of game.
    With my new system 7800X3D/4080 I now can play all these older games as well as newer once easily with 144 fps in 1440p. And what I recognized was, in replaying some older games again, that the games are much easier to play at higher frame rates. Even though I'm nearly 70 I rarely died during Tomb Raiders Quick-Time-Events compared with my old system at only 50-60 fps or an my PS5. Though for a good gaming experience fps matter. With quiet affordable 144Hz monitors nowadays the goal on a PC should be to play the games with at least 100 fps+. The graphical sacrifice you have to make for this depends on the budget you can afford for the GPU.

    • @zzavatski
      @zzavatski Před měsícem

      For me the most difference was low input lag of a modern monitor.

  • @Ralipsi
    @Ralipsi Před měsícem +1

    Very good comparisons

  • @darkfeeels
    @darkfeeels Před měsícem

    Hi Daniel, I think this is good content and would appeal to a good percentage of people who wanna see how far they can push in their budget. But i do think raw benchmarks (native to native) are done because people just want to see raw performance since competitively most people wont use DLSS due to input lag crepping in.

  • @Richard-re7pb
    @Richard-re7pb Před měsícem +1

    great variety of benchmarks

  • @marsMayflower
    @marsMayflower Před měsícem

    very good point. i'm more interested in knowing what settings I need to get to 120fps with a 1% low above 90.

  • @wpelfeta
    @wpelfeta Před měsícem +1

    The way I shop for GPUs is I target a framerate I want with max settings. Sure later on as my gpu ages, I might have to turn down settings. But in the beginning, I always want the max graphics settings.

  • @peanutfish94
    @peanutfish94 Před měsícem +1

    Usually the min I wanna hit is 60fps, ideally comfortably above it. If I gotta fiddle with some settings to get there that's fine, graphics are so good nowadays it doesn't really matter much

  • @Kryptik0III
    @Kryptik0III Před měsícem +12

    I bought a 4070 last year for $550 but if I had another chance, I would definitely go for the 7900GRE which is also $550 currently.

    • @fuzzylumpkins6034
      @fuzzylumpkins6034 Před měsícem +2

      I held off. Nvidia was insane with their price for performance. Starting their 2 budget cards at £400 and $550 was just crazy. I never thought anyone would actually pay that just for brand name for useless gimmicks in the budget range. I was able to pick up the GRE with 2 game coupons and trade in my RX6750xt for £300 in credit so walked out the door for £180 for the GRE. It is a spectacular GPU for the price and does way more than I need so it is nice to have the padding. I was going to be stuck in the 7900xt/4080 £900 quid range for what I needed when the GRE was announced here (Scotland) in Feb. Me and my fellow nerds cleared the shelf. My ideal card would have been a 4070 Ti Super but that £850 price tag was £450 the wrong way.

    • @LeaveMyGun
      @LeaveMyGun Před měsícem

      🤡

    • @Kryptik0III
      @Kryptik0III Před měsícem +1

      @@LeaveMyGun why show your face

  • @doc7000
    @doc7000 Před 29 dny

    I think there is room for both, as you want to know how the cards compare directly to eachother though the other way lets us see how we can get a desired frame rate. Though seeing the quality difference between two GPUs running at roughly the same frame rate but different quality levels doesn't always translate over youtube compression.

  • @yasintirit9502
    @yasintirit9502 Před měsícem +8

    I bought a used 4060 for 260€ like a week ago and was experiencing a bit of buyers remorse that i didn't save up and get a 4070 in a few extra months. This video actually helped relieve that. The 4060 is more than enough for the new games i want to play in 1440p high with dlss quality, which i am totally fine with. This helped me out a ton, thanks Daniel.
    Also: I really loved this type of review because it's a more realistic comparison than just booting every game in ultra settings, would love to see more videos like this!

  • @SubhadipSen
    @SubhadipSen Před měsícem +2

    HardOCP used to this - "best playable settings"
    Definitely miss that!

    • @JusticeGamingChannel
      @JusticeGamingChannel Před měsícem +1

      Yes, yes we did. Though a lot has changed since then, in regards to how games dynamically manage texture and LOD detail based on VRAM, the inclusion of Upscaling and Ray Tracing, and the minimum framerates people find playable these days, way different back when we did it.

  • @historyforthebetter2646
    @historyforthebetter2646 Před měsícem +2

    I think cross generational comparisons may be even more useful. It’s easy to compare the 1080ti to the 1070 or the 2080 but not to anything newer, I would like to see more comparisons of 1000 cards and 3000/4000 cards at least a few data points to go off

    • @antondovydaitis2261
      @antondovydaitis2261 Před měsícem

      Yes. I am considering a P520 Thinkstation with Xeon W-2135 and RTX 2080 (for under $600), which by raw power should be comparable to an RTX 4060 or RX 7600.
      But how close is it really?

  • @Eric-ct2ri
    @Eric-ct2ri Před měsícem

    aslong as the comparisson is still made at the same maxed settings to show the absolute performance of the cards than after that showing what it takes to get a certain framerate target is fine. since if you compare cards they should be compared at the same settings to not favor one over the other skewing the results.

  • @cybersamiches4028
    @cybersamiches4028 Před měsícem +1

    I love the tiny Daniel 😂

  • @Ray-dl5mp
    @Ray-dl5mp Před měsícem +1

    nice, I have a 4070 gpu so hopefully I didn't waste my money as it looked like a decent card to buy regarding vram and gaming at 1440p (if you take into account even the "better values" are expensive now).

  • @retrosean199
    @retrosean199 Před měsícem

    Maybe one more suggestion: try to target a particular monitor refresh rate. (For example, 1080p or 1440p at 120 or 144 Hz). So in that test, what settings are necessary to get close to that target, and then (and here it is a bit subjective) does that look OK or is the image quality too compromised? The reason I am suggesting this is that you almost always will be purchasing a monitor that can go much faster than 60 Hz if you are getting a 'gaming monitor' with variable refresh rate support today.

  • @seancasgamer
    @seancasgamer Před měsícem +2

    GPUs should be tested against the 5-7 games that most people are playing. Sure, you can run some games that benchmark things well or whatever, but as a viewer, if you play COD or Baldur's Gate 3 mostly, that's your litmus test.
    So many reviews are run now using canned benchmarks like Shadow of the Tomb Raider or even worse, 3DMark scores.
    That's not appealing to people who actually buy these things, it's appealing to TechTube nerds who call themselves enthusiasts.

  • @Cam-mf2io
    @Cam-mf2io Před měsícem

    Thank you for this,
    I'm upgrading from a 1060 6gb due to buying a 1440p monitor (which then lead to a full upgrade of internals) and I've spent a month + debating 4060 vs 4060 ti vs 4070.
    But the reality is... I play basically 0 modern games. My most replayed games are - guild wars, guild wars 2, hunter: call of the wild, 7 days to die and the only recent games were elden ring (double playthrough), palworld (ongoing playthrough) and final fantasy vii remake (single play).
    I checked the upcoming games of 2024 and other than the ones in the list already (dlc, next chapter) there was zero games of interest for me.
    So for me the question was - do i seriously have to spent $1,049 (nzd) for a 4070? (according to the internet, yes) or will a 4060 ($400 - $500 (nzd) often on sale) allow me to play at 60 fps on high any game that does catch my eye as a one-off playthrough?
    Thank you so much for this fantastic showing of what settings give what play-ability in some of the most demanding games out there. The 4060 will easily give me the ability to play what I want but I may splurge on the ti for just a touch more wiggle room.
    Absolutely perfect.

  • @marcopapp340
    @marcopapp340 Před měsícem

    Finally someone talked about the user experience! Awesome review, very inovative.

  • @cunicelu
    @cunicelu Před měsícem

    Yup, it would be a better way to review as it's closer to real usage scenarios.

  • @jipillow1
    @jipillow1 Před měsícem +3

    My favorite mouse pointer

  • @Kevvvinus1
    @Kevvvinus1 Před měsícem +1

    I recently purchased the 7800x3d and the ASUS TUF 4070, and I couldn't be happier. I'm running all my games at 1080p with max settings, achieving around 70-80 fps. Opting for the 4070 was a smart move for me, as the price per fps ratio was better than the 4060. In terms of performance, the 4070 offers more bang for your buck. I wholeheartedly recommend this card.

  • @melexxa
    @melexxa Před měsícem +13

    This is the exact reason I went with the 4070 and not the 4070 Ti last year (way before super launch), the 4070 Ti just wasn't giving the advantage like 4070 gives over the 4060 where you need upscaling for 4060 & not for 4070 to get same FPS. However the 4080 was indeed having the advantage over the 4070 to give same performance without the need of upscaling but for double the price lol ($550 for 4070, $1100 for 4080)

    • @Ray-dl5mp
      @Ray-dl5mp Před měsícem +1

      Yeah i was fine with either but ended up going with 4070 too based on what I was buying together. And yeah it made the choice easier when I looked at performance differences between 4070 and 4070 ti. Perhaps it does make a significant difference in certain games, but the numbers didn't look too impressive. Where the 4070 seemed like the base line you needed for a near optimal 1440p gaming experience. Anything below that seemed like a waste. I get why people do it (it's cheaper), but probably worth saving up to get at least a good value of vram and performance for the resolution you're targeting.

    • @eternalelife
      @eternalelife Před měsícem

      If you aren't super tight on the budget, it should always be 4070s or 4070ti over 4070. There is 0 reason to go for 4070 currently unless you are buying a prebuilt with 4070 at a discounted price.

    • @Ray-dl5mp
      @Ray-dl5mp Před měsícem

      @@eternalelife exactly I got a prebuilt with a great cpu so it was a good mix of what I was looking for. I still think 4070 is a good base line for everyone needing or wanting a new card these days that is ok with 1440p. But I agree with you if the price is close and you can get the S or the Ti why not. But I feel like I’m in a good place until the next series of guys tries to push me to get a 4k setup going ha.

    • @Rebe-Caufman
      @Rebe-Caufman Před měsícem

      you went with 4070 because you are poor

    • @Ray-dl5mp
      @Ray-dl5mp Před měsícem +1

      @@Rebe-Caufman well 4070 computers are not cheap these days. I would say it’s a smart purchase. Not a poor purchase. A cheap purchase is buying a console or a gpu below 4070. Don’t forget how important cpus are these days. You need both to be high quality. I would consider a 4070 a high quality card as this video shows.

  • @AniketMohite1988
    @AniketMohite1988 Před 23 dny

    Using a 1080p ultrawide monitor here (2560 x 1080)
    Previous RTX 2060 6gb struggled with RT performance, even with DLSS.
    Now, with RTX 4070 upgrade, feels much better. Easily scaling to 1080p ultrawide.
    Re-playing metro exodus (enhanced edition) now with RT & DLSS. And can see the performance difference.
    For single player games with great graphics, i think, i am set for next 3-4yrs (with max settings) 😅

  • @unheard5982
    @unheard5982 Před 25 dny

    A gigantic work done here.

  • @Sintrania
    @Sintrania Před měsícem +16

    Imo I think these kind of review is more of a game side review rather than the GPU it self. While they might perform well in some game and get a decent graphic quality, it might not work on other game. the usual GPU review is more of a "how much raw power this card has against the other card", which is useful for potential buyer.

    • @luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005
      @luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005 Před měsícem +2

      to be fair most of the chanel's goes for "how much raw power this card has against the other card" and the daniel's go for something like "what you get for the card you buy"

    • @antondovydaitis2261
      @antondovydaitis2261 Před měsícem +1

      And why do we even WANT GPUs? To play games.
      Raw power is a good stand in for game performance, but in the end, we just want to play.

  • @SFAJmz05
    @SFAJmz05 Před měsícem

    I have been advocating for this type of review for ages. I'm so tired of the misinformation that comes from only looking at a price point to say, "Look at that! Bigger number better!!" That method alienates a solutions based approach which, in my opinion, is how most people buy. All I hear is customers saying that they want a gpu that solves X. Show them the ones that solve their problem and let them determine the price is right. So yeah, much more of this please. 👍

  • @Michal_Bauer
    @Michal_Bauer Před měsícem +1

    It's great way to review graphic cards. And I'm just one more time covinced that I made good choice deciding to go 4070 for next 5-8 years.

    • @AniketMohite1988
      @AniketMohite1988 Před 23 dny +1

      Same here.
      Upgraded from RTX 2060 6GB to 4070.
      Games feel much better now.
      Metro Exodus (enhanced edition) looks awesome with all its ray tracing glory.

  • @jokur7
    @jokur7 Před měsícem

    I actually would like to have a Daniel Owen custom mouse cursor on my PC lol

  • @Steven-ex3ne
    @Steven-ex3ne Před měsícem +2

    I bought a 4060, and returned it for a 4060Ti 16GB, and returned that for a 4070 Super.

    • @paingaming5540
      @paingaming5540 Před měsícem

      Some thoughts on your new super card please?

  • @antondovydaitis2261
    @antondovydaitis2261 Před měsícem

    For those of us who really can't upgrade yet, the art of lowering settings is key.
    I really like this form of analysis.
    For myself, for good 1080p into the future, with Unreal Engine 5 and all that entails, my current target would be the RX 7600XT.
    I predict that 16GB VRAM will start being important in the not so distant future, even at 1080p.
    Also: lowering settings in a game you really want to play is working out for me so far.

  • @Superdazzu2
    @Superdazzu2 Před měsícem

    i feel like this generation (ada) is the first one where ray tracing and even path tracing are finally usable, at 600 euros with a 4070 super you can basically run 80+100 fps with fg on at 1440p dlss quality/balanced with path tracing and even more with ray tracing

  • @Roger-Verbal-Kint
    @Roger-Verbal-Kint Před měsícem +1

    I love how Daniel never misses saying "nice" whenever "69" comes up in any way. 😂

  • @Gamerloaders
    @Gamerloaders Před měsícem

    The best part of the contents are when you drag play with your face at the beginning of every videos lol

  • @Felix00007
    @Felix00007 Před měsícem +1

    I want a future where we can play games without graphics cards

  • @blarebear6972
    @blarebear6972 Před 17 dny

    Even though these videos don't get the most views, they are extremely informative and helpful for those who do watch it. Thanks for considering your audience's minority 👍

  • @tomthomas3499
    @tomthomas3499 Před měsícem +1

    When you put them side by side like that, Nvidia upsell strategy really become apparent.

  • @SirThanksalott
    @SirThanksalott Před měsícem

    More emphasis on what cards are actually capable of without upscaling trickery is so much better than looking at charts from other publications that don't even bother to include non DLSS stats. Instead they are using DLSS the way they used to measure frames with Anti-aliasing and shadows.
    Now more people realize how much they are being ripped off just to run mediocre games and no longer trust those big review sites who never have to pay for review samples.

  • @longdang2681
    @longdang2681 Před 16 dny

    The problem with using features like DLSS in reviews is that reviewers will likely get complaints from AMD promoters about how unfair the review is. They will claim that reviews need to done on a level playing field, even if that level playing field is an unrealistic representation of how people actually play games and choose their graphics. Some reviewers don't want to upset those in their audience that would rather have the GPU that performs well against the competition in 'fair' reviews but are lacklustre when it comes to real life gaming scenarios.

  • @MWBor
    @MWBor Před měsícem

    Beside %, how do you measure playable and unplayable (under 60 fps).

  • @sinnerslight
    @sinnerslight Před měsícem

    I know this is off-topic, but I'm hoping Mr Owen, or anyone here, can enlighten me. I'm looking at upgrading my gpu. And I've essentially brought it down to a 7900xtx or 4070ti super. I've never used Ray tracing since I don't have a gpu that can handle that. But I'm the type of person who mostly plays single-player games like jrpgs, horror, and action games. So, I'd want the game to look as pretty as possible.
    So essentially, it's 7900xtx if raytracing isn't worth it or 4070ti super if it is. Maybe this could also be a video idea for Mr Owens to cover in a future video.

    • @user-so2dn7rm8n
      @user-so2dn7rm8n Před měsícem

      If gaming is the only concern - I'd go with AMD. If you also value features and software support - go for Nvidia.
      That's what i did - i bought 4060ti 16gb, which is very bad value for gaming. But for software and AI tasks it's a good card. And i still can play all games with 1440p with dlss, even if the card is overpriced.

    • @sinnerslight
      @sinnerslight Před měsícem

      @@user-so2dn7rm8n ah. OK. Thanks

  • @clem9808
    @clem9808 Před měsícem

    Dlss quality at 4k is basically native res +30-40% performance. It's fair enough to compare it against radeon's native res. at 4k.

  • @gruiadevil
    @gruiadevil Před měsícem +1

    To answer the question. No. This isn't how GPU-s should be reviewed.
    There's a reason Techpowerup has the relative performance chart.
    Anything from a GT1050Ti to a RTX4090 can play today's games.
    The difference is what kind of settings.
    The 1050Ti can do 720p Ultra Low Settings
    4090 can do 4K Ultra Settings
    There's a big jump in performance between these 2 settings. And a lot of different Levels of Settings. We have 4 resolutions. 4-5 levels of presets. Each preset of Setting has several types of Settings, such as reflections, shadows, lighting, effects, textures ... etc .

    • @arkh1730
      @arkh1730 Před měsícem

      Yeah they always go for the presets and don't adjust for the card needs😅

    • @gruiadevil
      @gruiadevil Před měsícem +1

      @@arkh1730
      Yeah
      They keep going like:
      This card can play this game in 156FPS and this card can only play the game in 135FPS .... Like .. who cares?
      Just show:
      This card can do a stable 60FPS with 2K resolution, Ultra Textures, High Lighting, etc
      And this card can do a stable 60FPS with 2K resolution, High Textures, Medium Lighting, High Shadows,.etc
      The difference in visuals between these 2 settings is ....
      The experience in playing between these 2 levels of settings is ...
      Also
      I wanna see the difference in visuals between 2K Medium Settings and 1080p Ultra
      Stuff like that

    • @arkh1730
      @arkh1730 Před měsícem

      @@gruiadevil indeed 👍

  • @kelvinkms3671
    @kelvinkms3671 Před měsícem +1

    You should compare "4060" with "4060Ti with 16GB VRAM"

  • @fortland73
    @fortland73 Před měsícem

    Nice job

  • @cheez7100
    @cheez7100 Před měsícem

    We love you Daniel !

  • @zbigniew2628
    @zbigniew2628 Před měsícem

    I would like to see comparison of gtx1660ti / super vs rtx4070 done in this way, beside games which can not work without RT.
    GTX aims at 1080p and 30-60fps, rtx4070 1440p-4k or 1080p and RT and 45-60 fps.

  • @Jason-ol1ty
    @Jason-ol1ty Před měsícem

    His tombstone is really gonna read, Daniel "Mouse Pointer" Owen.

  • @erikbritz8095
    @erikbritz8095 Před měsícem

    So save up for a RTX 4070 is alll im getting here just sucks their round $800 in my country due to price couging.

  • @BoobaBoba69
    @BoobaBoba69 Před měsícem

    Came here for another smol daniel and was not dissapointed again

  • @Zinkhal1
    @Zinkhal1 Před měsícem

    in my opinion both is interesting ... the good thing in same settings is you can kinda see the "performancedifference" ... you can see that of course with same fps different settings too but it feels a bit more complicated that way ... especially important in my opinion is that for the upcoming years if you hit 40 fps on high settings now its obvious that you wont be playing at high settings in 2 years with that card unless you are a big fan of some sort of slideshow xD
    4:50 and while you say that i just think about my rx 6600 telling me in helldivers 2 a vram usage over 11000 ... ;D and yes still not a fan of a 8 gb card these days ... for me it was a huge jump 1,5 years ago from 4 gb to 8 but for modern games and especially if i think about that i like to use my gpu for over 5 years ... will lead into some hard times .. ;D
    6:10 this "quick maths" you are always doing to compare 2 gpus is one reason i really like this channel over most others ... the price or to be precise the price to performance is a pretty important point when buying a gpu atleast in my opinion ... same goes with stuff like power use
    one of the benefits watching a video from a teacher i guess .. :D
    and at the same time i wonder why nobody else is doing this .. or atleast i cant remember that i ever saw it somewhere else ..
    this kind of comparison would be in my opinion way better with cards that are closer together .. not that its not interesting to see the different in performance for the next level of gpu ... but atleast for me it would be more interesting to see a comparison between 7600 and 4060 .. 7700 and 4070 etc .. or maybe "around the same price" from nvidia and amd whatever gpu it might be then
    at the same time i have to say it was interesting to see a comparison of these 2 different classes to see the real performance difference between them

  • @igyysdaddy191
    @igyysdaddy191 Před měsícem

    i literally laughed my ass off when he: ahhhhed! at 0:30.
    now i gotta go to hemorroid docter tomorrow.

  • @martytube821
    @martytube821 Před měsícem

    Its not always vram its just a gpu doesn't have the power to get higher fps and a lot of games the driver is just as important.

  • @stri06
    @stri06 Před měsícem

    In my part of the world the cost scales with fps sort of the 4070 is 2x the cost of 4060. Is the 4060 worse than the 4070 shure but it's also double the price and not really 2x the performance. The 4060 needed to have 12 gb of vram like 3060 and a bit more performance but then again the price for budget videocards is very high.

  • @mikhail21393
    @mikhail21393 Před měsícem

    Personally I have a B450 mobo which runs on PCI 3.0 and the 4070 runs originally at PCI 4.0 x16 but since it's running PCI 3.0 x16 lanes runs almost full speed instead of a 4060 that runs at PCI 4.0 x8 but it's even worse on PCI 3.0 x8. I hope you understand
    I am running 5700x OC'ed btw

    • @ogaimon3380
      @ogaimon3380 Před měsícem +1

      diff isn't thay big tho, 5% max

    • @mikhail21393
      @mikhail21393 Před měsícem

      @@ogaimon3380Exactly my point! Also the point of the video if you running at PCI 4.0 4060 vs 4070 and you see at least more performance with 4070 instead of 4060. I would not play every game on ultra, I prefer to always mix and match settings to my liking as always also may help running the game smoother in the long run and I mostly cap the game to certain FPS like 75 still runs even low power depends on the game and it may or it may not stutter but most of the time it wont.

  • @Shadowclaw25
    @Shadowclaw25 Před měsícem

    Would only buy the 4060 if you plan on upgrading soon with 5000er series. But if u want to wait for 6er series or even longer definately the 4070 just cause u need that V-ram !

    • @glowinTHX
      @glowinTHX Před měsícem

      I'm really curious about the 5000. I recently moved to AMD out of curiosity and being honest the experience has been really good, but I could go back to NVIDIA if the price is fair and the offering next gen is good. What I would not try at all is Intel, it's really bad right now IMO.

  • @martymakesart3877
    @martymakesart3877 Před měsícem

    You should test with Tekken 8 since it's unreal engine 5

  • @bjarnis
    @bjarnis Před měsícem

    It would be nice if someone like Daniel could teach people about integer scaling so they could max out settings at naitve 720p or 1080p perfectly upscaled to your 4K TV. No need to buy a new GPU every like 4 years kids.

  • @NGreedia
    @NGreedia Před měsícem

    Looks like my 3060 is not going to be able to run 1080p without upscaling at 1080p . Not sure if should wait until 5060 or get a 4070 or 4070s now unless the 5060 ends up being just as dissappinting as a 4060

    • @MrDavid50c
      @MrDavid50c Před měsícem +1

      Get 4070 ti super and then you will not have to worry about any GPu for 5 years. Best card for performance / value in the 40 series

    • @camdustin9164
      @camdustin9164 Před měsícem

      @@MrDavid50cI would argue the 4070Super is the best price to performance. I think the 4070 ti Super is 50$ to expensive

    • @MrDavid50c
      @MrDavid50c Před měsícem

      @@camdustin9164 Hello and you would let 50 get in the way of + 20 percent performance compared to 4070 super +mor Memory Bandwidth and extra 4 gb of VRam? In this case 50 will get your pc future proofed. 6 hours of overtime gets you many extra years to use this card. Unless somebody wants to upgrade every generation.

    • @camdustin9164
      @camdustin9164 Před měsícem

      @@MrDavid50c well, I wouldn’t mind paying 50$ extra if the 7900xt wasn’t going for 100$ less

    • @MrDavid50c
      @MrDavid50c Před měsícem

      It cost less because its worse. The 7900 xt or xtx does not have good enough RTX and I thing that is the future. But if you dont care about RTX than I can understand still DLSS is far far superior then FSR because it will give you card mor longevity in gaming markert. Also dont forget other non gaming tasks wich also is better with this card and nvidia does not sit around on their asses they keep working on making their software better and better and they have the financial background too acheive that goal. They are the industry leader for a reason. And No I am not a fanboy I just see thing for what they are. Wheter we like it or not they are the bigger dog with the better and fancier hardware.

  • @user-wz7bw7yk4p
    @user-wz7bw7yk4p Před měsícem

    This makes me wonder if the 4060 has a better performance if it got 12 gigabytes of ram like the 3060.

  • @swianr
    @swianr Před měsícem

    The real value in 4070 now is the used market, many people upgraded and they are selling their 4070 cards as new open box/ slightly used with warranty for less than 500 dollars

  • @zergilli9719
    @zergilli9719 Před měsícem

    4070 Super is baller. Can get one for $590 to $600. 7900 GRE is a good option at $550.

  • @michaelthompson9798
    @michaelthompson9798 Před měsícem +1

    Tbh, I feel Ray Tracing (RT), not Path Tracing (PT) is the way to got for games! Sure PT is a little better in terms of visual over RT, but the performance hit imo, isn’t worth the image quality in games. RT is much easier to drive and give 80% of the visuals and makes more powerful gpus easier and cheaper to build for consumers.💪🤩🥳👍

  • @jorge86rodriguez
    @jorge86rodriguez Před měsícem +3

    I think you are one of the few channels that is treating hardware how real people will use them. For other pc channels hardware is just numbers and benchmarks.

  • @prabhakardhar1379
    @prabhakardhar1379 Před měsícem

    hello everyone, which used gpu will be better??
    3060 12gb? 3070? 2080ti?

    • @pravnav
      @pravnav Před měsícem

      2080 ti

    • @Aleksey-vd9oc
      @Aleksey-vd9oc Před měsícem

      4060

    • @pravnav
      @pravnav Před měsícem +1

      @@Aleksey-vd9oc Blind

    • @Aleksey-vd9oc
      @Aleksey-vd9oc Před měsícem

      @@pravnav All these cards are garbage, 4060 - it matters

    • @pravnav
      @pravnav Před měsícem

      @@Aleksey-vd9oc strange of you to say that when 2080 ti is faster than 4060 by 17% and 1% faster than 4060 ti. On paper 3070 is faster however 2080 ti has 11gb vram

  • @fuzzylumpkins6034
    @fuzzylumpkins6034 Před měsícem

    I appreciate non synthetic benchmarks. So many influencers that get this gear for free flog it as synth bm and kids rush out to overpay for an item they do not need and cannot utilise with gimmicks that are virtually /practically useless without having a clue how much they overpaid for nothing other than brand name.
    If you have the cards, would you be able to try this with the RX6600 - 6650xt and 6700XT? as the 70 series AMD is rather boring aside from the 7900GRE.

  • @Kitkat-wf2pu
    @Kitkat-wf2pu Před měsícem

    i want a 4070, i have an rx 6750xt i bought 3 months ago, and look, I am really happy with what i have, but i do like ray tracing. I chose the rx 6750xt over the 4060 for obvious reasons, but i wish i wouldve saved up for a 4070 instead tbh, Still I will not get a new gpu, because I am verry happy with what I have :))

  • @kymypy
    @kymypy Před měsícem +1

    hey it's a 32 dollar video
    thanks for your sacrifice sir

    • @danielowentech
      @danielowentech  Před měsícem +2

      Lol! To be fair, these types of head-to-head videos tend to get steady long-term "search" traffic as people research GPUs to buy. So after several months or even a year, they often pay off. But they sometimes perform poorly initially since my "regular viewers" who CZcams first recommends the video to may not be interested in these particular graphics cards.

  • @Sid-Cannon
    @Sid-Cannon Před měsícem +4

    The 40 series from 4060 up to 4070 Ti are named one higher than they should be. They should be:-
    4070 Ti => 4070
    4070 => 4060
    4060 Ti => 4050 Ti
    4060 => 4050
    Add to this overpricing by around $100 and you have a proper piss take.

    • @adlibconstitution1609
      @adlibconstitution1609 Před měsícem +1

      The Rx 6600 is 30% faster than a rtx 3050.
      The Rx 7600 is the same level as rtx 4060.
      So why would you say the 4060 = 4050 when it is the same level as the Rx 7600.

    • @Sid-Cannon
      @Sid-Cannon Před měsícem

      @@adlibconstitution1609 Cos AMD are taking the piss as well.

  • @jipillow1
    @jipillow1 Před měsícem

    For my preference, i would rather save up money and wait to be able to afford a mid range card then get an entry level one

  • @caribbaviator7058
    @caribbaviator7058 Před měsícem

    I think the 4070 is decent card but when you move up to ultra wide 1440p that’s where it begins to struggle.

  • @GRIGGINS1
    @GRIGGINS1 Před měsícem

    Braethorn and Jay's 2 Cents say you should only play games a high settings. That way your system Temps won't be really high.

    • @Eric-ct2ri
      @Eric-ct2ri Před měsícem

      its more about limiting the framerates than playing at particular settings so the gpu/ cpu dont overwork for nothing.

  • @ImaginaPower
    @ImaginaPower Před 6 dny

    The biggest problem is that invidia is leeching on gamers with their colossaly huge and unjustified prices so you have too look if you want to pay double the price of the WHOLE computer with all its components for GPU only and it burns in your wallet so you go for the best affordable one.