Apple’s Reckoning Has Come.
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Epic Games sued Apple so they could make more money from Fortnite - Apple sued back because THEY wanted more money through the App Store. But is that the whole story? It's clearly not, because we made a whole video about it. This fight is a WAY bigger deal than a simple cash grab.
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Thank god Linus isn’t a lawyer, he’d most likely drop the case
Of course
*ShiaLaBeouf_standing_ovation.gif*
I see what you did there, good sir.
well done sir.
*wheeze*
“I’m not a lawyer and neither are you.. Unless you are.. In which case, good for you!”
-Linus 2020
😆
Scary thing is i READ THIS AS HE WAS SAYING IT!!!!!!!
Nice, I'm a lawyer but not in USA!
I love the delivery of this line. The timing, the head rub, everything was perfect.
#killfortnite
spotify also goes through their website to avoid the 30% tax
I don’t think they do anymore or they at least reached a settlement
There was a big fight between Spotify and apple a while back because of the cut
I can name many companies that direct you to there website to pay instead of AppStore payment it’s nothing new
I thought it was only thru the website that’s how I pay for mine
@@jadenleone2056 Wait so apple gets 30% of each spotify subscription? wtf? Even if they sign up through a web browser? That's criminal. This is why I don't understand why apps are promoted so much over mobile web apps. Some apps require native versions, but for an app like spotify, a web app would suffice.
Can you make an update on the lawsuit? I really wanna know who’s “winning”
Lawsuits pushed back until July
Damn it, I want Apple and Google to win this lawsuit already
@Fat Cat Epic Games is not consumers. WTF man They even have Epic Store and they themselves take a cut in their store. Wake up don't be a parrot
@@deleted_215 personally I want epic to win so apple might allow competing app stores like cydia
That not how lawsuits work, it's no like a game were you can tell who is winning
Tim Apple vs Tim Epic
So which Tim are you on ?
@@NityaStriker neither
Hi
It's actually Freedom vs Epic. Why can somebody demand you have to lower prices? Seems unethical to me. Sets a bad precedent that a company has to change their pricing structure, because a customer is upset about it. Epics choices are go elsewhere, or create their own app store that's so awesome everybody wants to use it.
WWE Timsanity
Meanwhile
Disney: * smiles in amusement *
Not sure Disney is smiling over all the losses they are making, really.
The one people can agree on is a real monopoly. Lol
@@GiygasStarman
Right. Would be more like:
Disney **smiles in amusement**
**Remembers global film situation**
**Locks self in movie vault for 10 months**
🌭
Disney is in safe because they raised few generations on their sugar. To hit Disney is like to hit your lovely nanny.
And Disney continue to build more defense by purchasing movie companies for their already adult kids.
Everything is going to be Disney.
Linus: "I'm not a lawyer, and neither are you."
Me: "No I am actually a lawyer though and I specialized in competition law! Okay, I've been waiting all these years for my tech friends to finally be interested in my skills. So, the way that competition law works is that you first have to create a market definition before you can discuss dominance. There are three criteria for defining the market which are ..."
Linus: "unless you are, in which case, good for you!"
Me: "oh....
:(
fine"
So what are your thoughts on the whole thing? ELI5
@Secretly a celebrity Companies that outsource labor for pennies on the dollar, pay their US employees so low that some people are around or below the poverty level for their respective city/state, and proliferate anti-consumer practices in the name of making ever-increasing profit margins that are not sustainable, are complaining they may have to do something for someone other than themselves for once. More like that.
I believe that apple owns the iPhone, it is theirs, and they do whatever they want with it, as it is THEIR product and noone elses. Even if they ban half the apps from the appstore, its their appstore and they do whatever shit they want with it.
Really, you're just gonna leave us hanging like that?
@@Anastasia-cv4ld The "you don't own the iphone you only lease it" argument is the reason I won't buy one. But that's my decision.
Linus: Apple is interested on keeping their devices running for longer.
Louis Rossman has entered the chat.
@Abu Qital and then there's an issue with new iOS versions being pushed to hardware that too old to run them smoothly, and not letting the users to downgrade afterwards
@@jr-xn2pm it's old things. i once have 3gs that can upgrade to ios 7. which obviously i refuse
@Abu Qital The ios update isn't much use if the device isn't working...
Well imagine if the original iPhone 1 can run ios 14.
@@kaptenhiu5623 You imagine? Apple bricks devices for having parts not installed by apple themselves....
CZcams quietly in the corner: 45% cut of creator’s revenue.
Linus has actually already voiced why he is ok with this.
There are competitors. There is no real alternative to the Appstore or Google Playstore. Sure you can sorta get it, but the security systems of both operating systems are so intrusive that its not really fair competition.
Imagine if you were only able to go to websites that google chrome allowed you to go to and demanded 10% of all revenue of these websites.
Or Microsoft only allowing programs to be installed on windows through their store.
To be fair Linus addressed this exact thing in the WAN show (the week when Epic did this iirc), I'd advise you go have a listen to it, maybe that convinces you if it's fair (the 45%) or not & he will also be making an updated video (check his previous video too) on the different revenue streams and their % shares
the infrastructure costs for youtube to allow anyone to upload videos is worth 45% as previous commentators said, big creators take that cut because it allows endless access to education, entertainment and such to be produced
CZcams deserves that cut. They have to store the content.
When you start mailing people subscription keys so you count as a "physical good"
It’ll keep the post office relevant. 😂
@@yellowdogparty Nah they'll hire UPS because they're hella cheaper.
Big brain
Malohdek USPS is usually the cheapest last mile option
@@Malohdek other companies are forbidden by federal law from charging less than USPS for mail
other delivery items such as magazines or packets are open to competition
*When Robinhood is a billionaire that steals from trillionaires*
Edit: *When Robinhood is a billionaire that steals from everyone except the rich*
Nicely put
@Nachtjager Hold on before we talk let me get my tinfoil hat on
@Nachtjager if they get rid of the exclusive app store capability then a whole lot of people besides Tencent can get intoo the market at a better rate which will do more to hamper chinese dominance
Arthas Whatever you say is completely irrelevant if you are dumb enough to believe billionaires and trillionaires are taking hard losses on stocks. They own the game, they have the advisors and technology to never fall. The only people losing are the poor, and anyone under the 1%
yeah, petty theft is just.... so yesterday :D :D
Meanwhile in Windows: **Sad Microsoft Store noises**
You can instal any type of game/app store on Windows, tho.
@@gabrielpaiva13 true, but the whole store thing that Microsoft created is basically a fail.
@@mdukasa It's only useful for installing xbox games
@@KRYMauL exactly
Ukasa The Unreal Engine and Epic Games Store, does have a billion idea behind it with the node based programming though
So basically this whole case hinges upon the digital literacy of a judge? Yikes. Remember the Senate hearings with the CEO of Google?
Or the case with the E-waste repurposer in California a few years ago that got two years in prison for charging .25 (for the cost of a burnable CD) with windows media tool on it. Microsoft convinced a 70 year old judge the value of their software was in the media tool/ CD they freely gave online, versus the actual activation key.
@@Wolfeisberg Even worse. I don't get how you can put the fate of an entire industry on some random people with no legal experience/know how.
Then it is doomed. 'Legal' people understand nothing around the world. They even not playing naive card, they are naive. The see words on paper and believe each of it. They believe those words are last instance of truth, when in 90% they are at best case written after incompetent source. They make decision in interest of people, having no idea what it is for real! Remember patent wars Apple vs .
@@Wolfeisberg i did not know you can have a jury decide a civil matter?
@@Rajivrocks-Ltd. Epic's legal team at least has the opportunity to pick some of the jurors (so does Apple of course).
Who ever wrote this script for Linus , needs a raise , this is amazing!! , very detailed !
Umm.. If you waited the 24 seconds. Then you see Riley wrote it.. Every episode gives credit where credit is due
@Tamethebeast11 wait until you hear about literally everything else in the world
Tamethebeast11 Where there is a B in revenue, how could there be no politics!
Bubz of Steel 16:38 😐
16:37
One has to also remember that Tencent (who owns a portion of Epic) has an incentive to open ios to allow them to place their own app store on ios for the Chinese market. There is much more to this argument than people realise
"It's a trap"
omg that was so satisfying!
"apple is motivated to keep your device working"
*Louis Rossmann enters the chat*
almost fell of the chair laughing :D
Exactly and linus forgot that it was apple who purposefully slowed their phones to increase sales
Exactly: "They are financially incentivised to sell you more phones, more often". There's a good reason they made it to 2 trillion. And their reluctance to repair certainly has nothing to do with that feat either x'D
Credit: I work in the IT department of a store selling hundreds of mobiles a week, and we often cannot give a refund for devices - even those deemed "dead on arrival" (incorrectly manufactured) - until we let Apple assess it first.
Indra Garg and to preserve the battery from getting fuked, but I’d rather have my phone slowed a little then me having to replace a battery constantly 🤷🏻♂️ the updates they give improve the device unlike where android can barely deliver any security updates or updates period
Well they are, while it's still working. Once it's out, their motivation changes.
Spotify had and still has the same problem. A Long time they had different prices for Apple users and direct sale Spotify users.
Spotify's case is different as they directly compete with apple. Epic doesn't compete with apple hence their claim is different.
@@Userext47 They didn't as Apple did not had Apple Music at that time. Itunes was their only way of music. They believed in selling music in stead of streaming and they did not compete.
Epic compete with Apple arcade.
@@mhmmeijer they did, did 7 not see Spotify ad back then
Marcel Meijer they don’t really compete with Apple Arcade. Apple arcade is a game service, not a game itself and definitively, not a game that competes with fortnite. That does apply to their ban to the XBox streaming service, since that’s an actual competitor to Apple Arcade
@@mhmmeijer They did. Your memory is lacking.
Also "Epic compete with Apple arcade."
What?
Firstly apple arcade only has apple apps. It's like saying playstation competes with steam even though they have different games on them.
Secondly, didn't you just say spotify wasn't competing with apple because one is for streaming and the other is for selling? Now you are absolutely wrong about that but the same case applies here. Apple arcade is a streaming service and epic sells games. In your logic they shouldn't be considered competing yet you claimed they are. Your hypocrisy shows.
"Apple has created an industry where there was none ...."
So, people don't remember apps/games being developed for older phones ? We had java games, symbian apps, etc and with the widespread internet adoption - it was only a matter of time before this industry got to the place it was.
add on to that
there was already emulator in symbian for gba like 15 years ago.........like pokemon etc which is more fun than any of the game nowadays
@@keepitprivate3856 I have more than 100 of nes and symbian games and more gba games in my android.
When two companies you hate are fighting
Why is nobody mentioning the Spotify vs apple it's also related and fair
What happened between them?
They have a much stronger case than epic do. Still can’t decide who’s in the right there but it’s a much closer debate than this
@@jamiescott7655 kind of. Apple has allowed them to make a watch app with offline playback for over a year, which was one of their complaints, and they still haven't done it.
Thanks apple
Thanks epple
Apple is incentivized to keep your phone running as long as possible...
I am pretty sure they are as confused on whether to keep that statement true as they are on their stance on Right to Repair.
Yeah, phones breaks, that's normal
Hiya! I've worked in corporate warranty response, and while I prefer Right to Repair as a consumer, the hidden costs to it from a corporate standpoint make sense as well.
Apple has sensors in the iPhone that cause it to brick if the battery is too far out of spec. It's not that NO aftermarket batteries work; it's that a battery with poor voltage and charging regulation trip the sensors. Why? Well, say someone replaces their battery with a $3 unit from eBay. The battery overcharges because, as it turns out, the manufacturer has stuffed in an 800 mAh battery that the phone expects to be a 3000 mAh battery. It doesn't trip the thermals because the cheap battery always reports the same safe temperature to the phone, rather than an actual temperature. The battery explodes under the user's pillow. Apple might not be sued by the owner, but their stock price will be negatively impacted by the news cycle of exploding iPhones; it turns out that this one battery isn't an isolated event, and that the eBay seller's batteries have exploded in the possession of dozens of other people. Apple has a PR nightmare.
We've already seen this play out. A driver set a DVD player on the dash of his Tesla and was killed when it struck a tractor trailer. Tesla share prices dropped, despite the fact that it was idiotic user error.
To a similar degree, software is also a concern. Allowing third-party distribution of apps that circumvents the malware protective of the App Store not only allows for the phone downloading infected apps to be infected, but it allows the infection to travel to other clean phones by manner of things like Airdropping files.
I specifically buy iPhones for the secure app development and distribution. I could choose to go to another manufacturer, be it on Android or another platform.
They still make money off you if you buy a new phone. Far as they care - they will let you use your phone till it dies - then make money off you once you upgrade.
@@tpasco1995 I just have to say apple like all companies has security flaws this is as true as it always has been. This is just the nature of coding as unfortunate as it may be. Pretending otherwise is actually detrimental to security as you have a false sense of security and do less to actively protect your data. This is why large corporations get hacked because 1 employee thinks their safe and downloads something they shouldn't from a "safe" site.
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30 % tax on digital is insane. Even physical locations can survive and even thrive on a 12% margin, just ask costco.
That end about the lawyers had me laughing.
Thanks for making this video. It was incredibly informative!
Finding Kairos randomly in CZcams comments is probably quite rare!
K-A-I-R-O-S use code kairos in the brawl stars shop
Was it really...?
Hello
Hi Kairos!
Apple: 30 percent cut
CZcams: 2 unskipable ads
Ads ???? I have never saw an add on CZcams
Laughs in Adblock
Laughs in vanced
bruh
Isn't that the uploaders choice
'Windows' was sitting silently while the video. 😂 😂 😂
Can't be a monopoly if no one uses you
@@wta1518 well even if people used the store and it was actually good, it would still not be a monopoly due to the ease of downloading exes
@@glntv5217 True.
Hahaha gatta love when greed soaked parties finally hit a stalemate 😂
Apply the same theory to digital versions of triple A titles on console.
$60 current Gen
$70 next gen
Most Nintendo content is pushed to buy digital with limited built in space.
We pay the tax and don't get physical goods. We also don't get the wave of discounted physical titles a month or 2 later when digital versions remain full price.
Also no future trade or resell value for that digital purchase.
This market is openly pushing gamers toward a subscription library model.
An expensive future.
Steam had to allow 2nd hand sales in Australia, I'd say if someone took the consoles limiting to these downloads then they should be able to take it to the ACCC here and make the argument for 2nd hand sales.
i agree with your conclusion but i don't see how no physical copies supports that conclusion.
I still remember the days when you didn't have to pay a monthly subscription to play with your friends. It's one of the reasons that I swapped to pc when I had the chance between the ps4 or build my own system.
It's call capitalism.
@Eradicationism In what way does wanting to actually own what you purchase make a shady individual? I can still play SNES and NES games to this day... why??? Because I own a physical copies and original equipment that doesn't try to check-in to servers that are no longer financially beneficial and been shut down.
I’m glad this got talked about in more detail. I really didn’t understand both sides until it was shown both perspectives.
Hoeg Law does a good deep drive into the legal aspects of this case. czcams.com/channels/i5RTzzeCFurWTPLm8usDkQ.html
Also the game theorists have a great in depth video on the subject.
MrOtaku187 I did watch that one but I think this one was easier to understand.
Epic game has been bought by China (Tencent) , one plus is also a Chinese company, seeing the pattern yet? They want a slice of the pie, however you should do well to remember China blocked Google services, China is playing US with their own law ...
So no one knows bout the fact that the 30% developer fee is only for one year? The next year the fee drops to 15%.
lol epic games dont like reading
I REALLY hope Epic wins, for a few reasons. Frist of al, it would be AMAZING to be able to have multiple app stores, and more freedom for developers and more money going to those developers who would obviously deserve it for how hard they work to code and design those apps and games. Also, apple restricts the types of apps that get to be on the app store.
there's a reason german law doesnt talk about a monopoly but a "market dominating position"
@@kp1x why? You don't have to be entirely alone (what a monopoly would be) to have market dominating power and do utterly bad stuff for customers.
whats the reason baby ?
@@gamingarts457 well you don't have to be entirely alone to dominate the market i mean even when the internet explorer thing (granted that was eu rather than Germany but just as example) dropped ms was dominating but not exactly alone, although small in comparison other things like mac existed. After all monopoly would mean that you are literally alone, which probably isn't the case too often.
@@My1xT So it's bad for companies trying to maintain the authenticity and functionality of their own designed platforms? Market dominating position or not, it just means that company has found something that consumers like and want, and of course, they will try to keep it that way for the sake of the consumers and their own.
@@tonyli2918 well the problem tho is not just that apple has a market dominating position but enforces rules in an entirely arbitrary manner and charges way too much for what they are offering. if microsoft would go with a windows store only solution for windows 10 without easily allowing sideloading they might get quite a bit of fun too.
also allowing apps from others does not overly invalidate ios as an operating system, the same way the existence of bad or even malicious software doesn't hurt windows too much.
"Tim Apple" Ha! That never gets old.
"Tim Epic"?
@@nikolaynikolov5306 Epic Tim eating an apple
@@shamsudeenma1928 "Epic Tim" might be the better choices.
Thanks Trump
who started it ?
Epic is no longer alone in the fight, seems that Spotify and Tinder parent company(forgot the name) are joining Epic on this fight.
Also Microsoft
@@Bobspineable the bigger they are, the harder they fall, just look at Nokia
@@michaelkun1594 Isn't it weird that just when Nokia lost marketshare, the Great Recession begun?
@@DerDrecksack87 If those 3 companies fall the whole global econmy and windows goole chrome all will go down they cant fall its just way to hard
Epic are the ones that broke their contract. I love them and all, but it's theatrics, and they know it.
They are also starting by pissing off the Judge by making demands to be put back on the appstore, Never piss of a judge.
I got goosebumps when he mentioned “60 pages immediately”
That's how you know it was typed up before and it was fully planned.
they basically did an anime comeback
@@blanktenshii_9554 *adjust glasses* "But You accidentaly activated my trapcard!!"
@@blanktenshii_9554 YOU FELL FOR IT FOOL! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!
I don’t support Epic in this tbh
You know you're watching too much LTT when you can predict the segway to the sponsor
And also its under 20 seconds so you can skip it quickly
I always double tap the right side of screen to skip. It’s so satisfying.
Segue
You know that you don't watch LTT enough if you cannot spell segue.
Or is it you’re just starting to watch enough of it?
It was easier in the old days where you bought games on physical media.
Your smile was the best most honest way to sell your sponsors 15:25 without feeling like you really want to sell
linus aged 5 years in 6 months by growing a beard
Yeah but it's a good ageing.
Ya he's 13 now
Your right! The beard is a good thing! I dont mistake him for boyish 13 year girl anymore! J/K
EL CHUNKACABRA his trying not to look gay.
Yes but he looks so good with the beard. I hope he keeps it.
I wish I had a micro center near me
Same
It’s wonderful, 15 min from me
@@jacobcooley5266 flex
This is random but such a mood
I think that goes for most of us.
They are okay with Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo charging their fees in a closed system consoles but not companies like Apple or Google. They are okay with acting anti-competition and anti-consumer in some ways specifically on the PC but not okay with that happening to them. Epic also threatened and used their fan-base to get up in arms when they don't understand in the slightest what they should be angry about. The same sort of people that would scream out that copyright law should be abolished because twitch streamers started getting punished for copyright infringement. I have no love for any of the companies involved but this whole thing just makes Epic look like a hypocrite even in the lawsuit itself Epic says how certain actions against them make them look bad while also making advertisements to fans of the product they already make painting Apple as bad guys. Not to say I agree fully with any particular party I just don't think Epic is inherently a good guy and they are hypocrites.
Yeah and lets have like 20 different app stores on iOS because every large software or gaming developer comes up with their own. That sounds awesome!
Are they though? I can imagine if Epic have their way, they'll bring the battle to the consoles as well.
@@LordShrub A decision in favor of Epic's claims would, almost certainly, affect the situation in the console market in some way.
@@philippwie3539 It unironically does. What's the problem with that? If you don't want to have another app store then don't install it. Why are you trying to take away other people's freedom to use their preferred app stores?
Gamerdude1246 do you enjoy origin uplay epic game and countless other stores on your pc just to play a few games? Probably not like most of us we’d rather just use steam. so why in the hell would anyone want 5 different app stores on their phone?
Who's here after Epic lost the case
"So did google" launched the assistant
Releasing this video on Apple's big event day was genius!
I thought is was a summary of the event when I clicked on it 😂😂
"big event"
"big pp event"
What was the event about?
@@emissarygw2264 most people expected an iPhone but they announced a lame iPad Air, the Apple Watch which is the same thing but with a new sensor and new colors, a cheaper version of the series 4 called SE and dropped the price of the series 3. People seem to like the iPad Air but it's more expensive than before, is in the body of the iPad Pro but lack FaceID and 120Hz. Yay for usb c and apple pencil 2 I guess. Honestly I'd take a refurb 2018 iPad Pro with that money but hey it has the newest chip!
Fantastic overview of the case. Thanks!
That smooth transition to sponsorship tho
Finally, the judge decides on the basis of whether he owns an iPhone or not.
What epic are doing is trying to force apple and google to revert to a pc style program / app infrastructure where developers can develop, market and host their own software independently from the o/s vendor.
All this while microsoft attempts to adopt apple and googles business model for their app store and windows 10 S.
microsoft has largely given up that endeavour in more recent years as far as I saw. they are now trying to appeal to the developers instead of users, and are reverting back to their office demographic instead of artsy adults who never grew up
Yeah then you get shitty ass apps, malware and spyware. Googles App Store for YEARS, Had 70% of their Apps completely broken and shady with way too many ads.
Well yeah that is true. But that's something you have to give to Apple: The iOS apps are often better than their Android counterparts, have no potential malicious code in it and are (mostly) better optimized. That's the advantage of having a closed system with a powerful supervisor: You (almost) can't sneak bad stuff in there. That's also what Microsoft wants to do with Windows 10 S. It's not stupid. It's smart. You simply cannot install malicious software on your computer if ever piece of software you can install has been verified by the supervisor (Apple/Microsoft). Microsoft wants to fight the "Windows is insecure and has tons of viruses" prejudice. If you know what you're doing this prejudice is false but you can really mess your computer up if you're a retard. With Windows 10 S and the Apple App Store this is literally next to impossible. That's why I understand Apple: It's literally their business model to have a closed system. And somehow it works. They've got the market share and a single solution as to how you can install software. Developers are forced to obey their rules if they want to make money on their platform. Which they do since Apple has over 40% market share (which is absolutely nuts if you think about it). Microsoft is trying to do the same but I don't think they'll succeed. Successfully closing a system is way harder than opening it. At least if you don't want to kill all developers.
Personally I prefer Android as an operating system because I think iOS is too limiting in terms of customization, hardware choice, storage, file management and stuff like that. But I admit: Their apps are just simply better. There is basically no useful productivity app on Android. And if there are, they are either made incredibly cheap, look and operate very poor, are filled with ads or just lack 90% of the features you need. On iOS there is a high quality app for literally anything: Drawing, sketching, taking notes, CAD, video and audio editing, photography tools. You name it. If you need a piece of software, there is a pretty good chance there is a good app out there. Even the few good productivity apps that are available on Android are also available on iOS.
But basically everything costs money on iOS. It is truly possible to use your iPad as your main computer (in certain jobs). I'm still going to stick with my PC and an Android phone just because I happen not to be able to do my work on an iPad (heavy CAD, ECAD, rendering,...) and because I don't like iOS. I like it's apps but not the OS.
@@tanszism I don't know why they did that in the first place. Yuppies use Macs. Always have, always will. A Microsoft machine is a "working man's" machine.
The irony
I should sue the government here in India because they charge me 30% tax and they’re kind of like a monopoly.
0:25 I just started a home decor website under square space and would like to start a blog .. How would you recommend I go about incorporating the two while using 3dsert.
Apple: take 30% retailer cut
Epic: "Unacceptable"
Console e-stores: take 30% retailer cut
Epic: ...
To be fair at least consoles have the excuse of taking a loss with every unit sale so they have to make up for that. Also there's a lot more competition Xbox, ps, Nintendo, PC etc. So they can't really make the same monopoly argument there. If this works though who knows epic might go after them next
Console E stores are not the only place to buy video games on consoles, you can go out and buy a physical disk at a store. Therefore it is not a monopoly. Same with Steam, you can buy only from steam if you want, but it's not your ONLY option.
Apple and google don't allow different store fronts on their phones, and dictate how much percentage they take from the people being forced to use their storefront (or be unable to distribute their product) which IS a monopoly.
It only becomes illegal when a company locks down their service and charges exorbitant prices for the "privilege" to use it.
It's okay with consoles, since they provide the game devs with frameworms/player networks/gamerbase. Not all iPhone users are gamers, but most Console users are, so it's a way more direct market, in which exposure is easier, so why would they?
(frameworms, lol xd) frameworks.
@@FlawlessSin11 Google does allow other storefronts. It's a bit annoying to install them first, but for F-Droid for example (well not really a store as you don't really buy anything), you have to allow 3rd party app installation, download the apk and install it. Not the most convenient, but not too difficult. The warnings might turn some people off though.
Posted as soon as the Apple event finished. Coincidence? I think not.
Why James charlws
Gio :c i don't know :(
Why James charlws
Why James charlws
More likely that he made the video public immediately at the ed of the Apple Event. The video having been uploaded earlier as private.
That word that you mentioned: DUOPOLY..... is actually spelled...C-O-L-L-U-S-I-O-N !!
👍🏼😂
No collusion
Collusion requires proof of intent. That requires writing down that you know your breaking the law and Colluding. Nobody is that dumb. You may find notes on meeting, on what your going to do, on the transaction, but that is not proof of intent to COLLUSION..
The investigator needs to interview the person, question them to establish knowledge of COLLUSION. If you can't be questioned, the investigator can not establish COLLUSION. And apparently if your lawyer knows that if you are question you will provide the proof to the investigator of you knowingly participated in COLLUSION, you can say "No, if I am investigated, I will convict myself. So you can't speak to me direct. List your questions, and my lawyers will answer it. I'm to busy to be convicted."
Exonerated rofl - You don't want to acknowledge whatever that partnership is - Fine. But "Exonerated", I don't believe a President indeb to Russia is cool, if your fine with it, your choice. But if you believe "Exonerated", I'm sorry for you. You played toooo much football.
noo it's spelled teamwork
The last apple product I ever bought was a generation 3 32 gb ipod. It still works, surprisingly. Had it for like 10 years
That transition to the sponsor got me laughing 🤣🤣🤣
Always does
Got him laughing too 😂
I can imagine Suits tv series with those legal cases 😄
There is definitely a version of Harvey and Mike fighting the good fight with Epic....I hope
They would end up merging
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO COMMENT THAT APPLE NEEDS TO HIRE HARVEY SPECTER LOL
@@jaschavandenberg6469 are you for apple or epic?
that last segue tho XD
Hulu & Disney+ does this as well. You cannot access your account unless you go to the website. Same with Splice Sounds.
Considering the title, much less biased than I expected. Pleasantly surprised.
Brady Kroeker it was completely and utterly biased.
Yeah...usually LTT's titles and pictures are idiotic, but the content is very good
@Secretly a celebrity imagine that those fees of 30% for using your road were implemented in the past. You had to do so much work and invest so much money, so it was acceptable that you took that 30%.
Now imagine roads are all digital. You don't need the pavement, the machinery, or as much people as you needed to do a physical one and you still want to take that 30% for something that didn't cost as much
@@simmorsal It's the clickbate game. All channels do it, it just gets bothersome after a while.
@@MetelAdict I know. Even Linus made a video on it explaining why they do it. I agree with his business decision too, but I still think it's stupid
I can just imagine having 10 different app stores to have all sorts of exclusive apps top each store. sounds terrible...
Sounds like gaming on PC: Steam, Epic Store, UPlay, Origin, GOG, Windows Game Store; pretty much a lot of stores and clients now.
More for you what’s the problem?
@@kaiden2348 Something being exclusive is noy a bad thing. But making these exclusive by giving the makers of that thing money is bad.
The only thing that your forgetting is that (and I'm not sure if this was public at the time of upload) is that Epic actually asked Apple to give them a backdoor to avoid the 30% cut before they went public with everything. They also asked for them (and only them) to be allowed to have their Epic Games Store available. Apple said no to this and then the whole shenanigans started.
Just figured that this wasn't mentioned
0:54 do you pay both for 3dsert and the 8 dollars a month for WordPress site?or just one or the other
Issue aside, this is one over the best LTT episodes in a while.
For real !
It's a talkie video. It could have been part of the want show. The way back machine PC is more in line with what I expect from Linus. LTT is at its best when it rigs together a PC with cutting tools, hot glue, and a prayer. Where is scrapyard wars?
His Segway to his ad was so bad he even laughed lmao
@@Big_money_benji *segue
Because it's a serious subject.. Apple is too big and too influential..
"I'm not a lawyer, neither are you, unless you are..." Was completely expecting @LegalEagle to jump in.
I knew this comment would exist.
Hoeg Law has been doing a decent job with the situation
PlayerN I’d say he’s been phenomenal. A lot of you tubers try to be lawyers and don’t have any idea what they’re talking about.
@@Gankhisprawn True, it's better actually having a lawyer talk about it. And he does a good job explaining it to some of us simpletons
PlayerN lol! Hoeg law made a video responding to this video!
I love how open Linus is to both sides to the argument and showing Epics and Apples cases, thank you Linus!
Idk, he does sound like he's being on both sides but his language also seems to subtly point towards Epic's favour.
@@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuff I think the facts point to Epic's favor.
@@ok4412 100% worng
Why is Apple fighting all the right to repair bills ?
Apple on the Appstore: "My playground, my rules."
Apple on paying taxes: "We're gonna shovel our money offshore for the best tax rates."
@WhiteProtagonist Also one of the largest tax dodgers.. Do you know anyone that gets an exception to the 30% App store tax? Neither do I. Why does Apple get away with not paying what they owe? Are they not using the nation to profit? Should they not participate?
@WhiteProtagonist 256 Billion taxless doesn't sound so good to me lmao
Apple on the Appstore: You can't walk into our store and start selling junk!
@WhiteProtagonist Name checks out.
@WhiteProtagonist Maybe in the US, but not in Europe. Apple made $14 bil. revenue in Q3, with percentage of taxes by 0.025 in Ireland. So they pay nearly zero taxes in Europe. Don't you say Apple's paying high taxes
Kinda reminds me of the days when Microsoft was forced to provide other internet browsers as options.
And buy a huge share of Apple.
And how did that benefit to you or me? Google effectively circumvented IE by bombarding their websites (Google, CZcams, etc) with 'pop ups' that tell you to download Chrome. If you're not aware of any other browsers, then you're not being deprived of them.
Should we be provided with every single application on our phones and PCs?
Hey, there are 20 email clients, please choose one.
Hey, there are 300 instant messaging apps, choose one.
And so on.
So yeah maybe it does remind you (and me) of that, because it's going to be just as useless to the users.
@@ylcard I use opera GX because there is no other browser like this oh and also there is built in adblock in opera GX and normal opera so I don't see any pop ups
This is nothing like microsoft , Apple owns the hardware and software,while microsoft does not own any hardware.
They also refuse to comply with W3C standards which most other browsers did. IE had been the bane of web developers for too many years because the website always seems to work in all other browsers except for IE. Then developers had to add special conditions just for it to work as it should in IE. At that time, microsoft locked in some business users to only use IE as well.
Tim Apple 😂 mocking oranges are we
I've been waiting for this video for a month now. Thanks :)
I’ll be honest, the 30% thing doesn’t bother me as a consumer. The worrying revelation for me, the consumer, in all of this is that Apple effectively dictates pricing on other companies products by saying the price can’t be higher on the App Store than elsewhere. So even if I buy a subscription on someone’s website, I’m still paying extra because of Apple...that’s not right.
It’s a scam
that android bit looked like the difficulty was exagerated as in an infomercial. I sideloaded 2 apps yesterday which took exactly 2 steps
sideload apps all the time, almost no effort.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of people. It's unlimited
Yeah, it literally as easy as it get
i agree lmao
people who watch linus probably will know how to sideload apps, kids and just in general people, cant be bothered to look it up/follow steps
Linus grew a Chuck Norris beard, I bet everyone loves him more now
I normally watch all videos on 2x, or 2.5x speed, but I slowed it down for that closing joke. Good timing there. Nice pause.
So Smart, Dropping The Video After Apple Event 😂
Not the first thing he’s dropped!
Didn't Microsoft do the same? Create an platform where everybody can sell software on, but without a 30% cut, but yet MS was criticised for supplying their own versions of a web browser, media player? MS was even being targeted to be split in several companies (An Windows, an IE, an Office)
Kinda the same with Apple, with their own browser, media player, streaming app etc etc, except they want others to pay so they can compete with Apples services..
They did but they are now more open to open source programs, hell, they even have Microsoft Azure which is based off of Linux
@@TaxEvasionUS And they own Github lol.
wrong...microsoft had 90% of market and apple the one that had the last 10% was going to go bankrupt thats why microsoft invested billions in apple then sold their shares in 2004
microsoft was forcing computer makers to only ship computers with their browser installed. Microsoft was never forced to do anything because they won the antitrust case agaisnt them by investing in apple.
Is not that easy to go after apple otherwise we can make a case on sony ps5 , xbox and others consoles because they take 30% cut and you have to be approve by them to be able to have your game in their consoles. On amazon for taking % for the sale of my products ...youtube for taking 45% cut from ads
you know all X box games need to pay the same 30% fee. Same as Sony and Nintendo. I don't see Epic bitching about it
@@Theoryofcatsndogs because there is no chance in hell Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo are allowing third party game stores on their devices. At least not without a landmark ruling in a similar space setting a precedent for it. Like say in telecommunications devices.
Epic isn't doing any of this for the benefit of the greater good though, they just want to have their own app store everwhere so they can make the millions without having to share, even with those who manufacture and maintain the devices on which they want to make that profit. How altrusitic of them.
I'm curious how they'd react to developers doing what they did to Apple on the Epic Games Store?
Really well put together Linus ! Have been following this for day 1 , hope these two tech giants can compromise so the customers don’t continue to be collateral damage
Why isn't epic fighting Sony and Microsoft? They also take 30% cut from their game sales on their consoles.
I think it would be interesting, to see a follow up to this video discussing the concept of "vendor lock-in" and the harm it has historically caused.
Bump
That on Techquickie...
It's not vendor lock in, Apple don't force you to buy their phones, if you don't like the prices you can always buy an android.
@@E6hosting but an android does not have some of the same software and features etc.. so if you want those features your only choice is apple
@@kodaxmax Or you can replace Android with a Linux distro and literally have a mobile computer.
I straight up got baited cause I was waiting for event reactions
Well played linus
As AMD would say...
JEBAITED!
...but, same here. XD
Just like when he release the Mac Pro build vid on the same day as it’s announcement day but it was for the old one
I don’t get why is it still a question. Microsoft got HUGE fines for the same thing several years ago. If they had to open up their platform for browsers, Apple should do the same here as well.
If Apple are so confident that their app store is better, and the safety they provide is so important, a free market competition should be not a big issue for them.
they cant even compete with other shop for repairing their *own* product 🤣 confident?
Epic didnt want to pay rent.
"I'm no lawyer and neither are you"
* Angry triggered noises *
"Unless you are...then good for u"
* Calm noises *
R u a lawyer?
@@dark_sxoul9882 no he isnt i know him personally he just likes to troll online
@@jmoney3647 I definitely trust you "Rolls eyes"
@@jmoney3647 I know him personally and he's actually a supreme court judge.
@@fuckgoogleforever I also know him and you are right. He's a really good one as well.
"I'm not a lawyer, and neither are you, unless you _are_ a lawyer, in which case, good for you!"
That is genuinely one of the funniest things I've heard all week
@: I'm a lawyer and I feel good (cue music) so good ... so good...
Loves the ending argument :-)
The Hoeg Law review of this video was really good. You guys should reach out as that channel specializes in tech law cases that come up and help cut through much of the legalese. It seemed he was new to your channel, but i think a discourse or exchange of ideas opinions could be a really cool concept.
Look in the legal statement, Epic actually says they want to make their own mobile Epic Games appstore. On android you can even download an APK one from the web, tho it only has fortnite and one gatcha game. Still, I think that is the ultimate goal for Epic
Yes probably, but they still charge 12% fee comapred to f'ing 30% that steam, apple, google play take.. which is stealing from the developers literally..
@@godspeed8002 It's easy for Epic to take 12% when their store is so basic compared to others.
Godspeed Racing so more money for developers, why? Both sides are making tons
But why are they suing Google?
@@nathansstuff1547 I'm pretty sure its basic because of rules put in place by Google. If epic wins this, you can bet your ass they're gonna start updating the epic game store.
7:23 - back in 2012 when I released my first game on iOS (which I worked on all by myself for well over a year), Apple took 30%, then the publisher (Miniclip) took another 20% to 30% (I can't recall, so let's say it was 25%) from the remaining 70%, then the owner of the framework I licensed (so I could write it in C++ instead of that piece of fetid puke called Objective-C) took another 33% (of the remaining 75% of 70%), then state taxes took another 20% (of 66% of 75% of 70%) - at least all of them took a slice of the remaining slice and not the whole cake... suffice it to say that I didn't become rich despite having tens of thousands of downloads per month...
What was the name of the app?
F
the end % that
Luis Santos keep in is exemple is about 28% of the starting money. Horible
That will leave you with only 27.72% of entire thing. So sad to hear bro.
So self publish, learn objective-C and move somewhere where you didn't have to pay state taxes.
That 30% cut is interesting. It indicates an implicit anti competitive attitude, not based on explicit agreements but on "let's not upset the apple cart, it's going fine". That avenue of attack might have more merit.
This is definitely a slap fight
Apple is not going to go down without a fight
Epic should just make a EpicOS and compete with iOS and Andriod. :D
Exactly. Lead by example.
Big brain
Sounds like a nightmare
Could literally mock IOS and call it EOS 😂
Question: Do I the consumer actually own the hardware or device I purchase, and therefore regardless of risk am allowed to use whatever software I choose?
Sure...but you shouldn't be able to force Apple to host it for you for free.
That's a legal gray area, and what the "Right to Repair" fights over the last Decade or so has been trying to get resolved. Full ownership and by extension the complete right to do what we want with the things we buy.
You absolutely own your hardware or device. What you do not own is the right to do whatever you want to with the software and expect Apple to support your decision. Apple creates software and operating systems that they fully support for a very long while. If you are okay to continue without any support, feel free to load whatever operation system you can get on said hardware or device.
@@khj697 Not on an apple device, unless you find an exploit it is physically impossible to run any code on iOS devices that is not digitally signed by apple. If you replace the operating system, the CPU will refuse to boot, due to a lack of a valid signature on the system files from apple.
@@KSPRAYDAD WHAT????
I've been annoyed by the lack of 3rd party stores on Apple and Android devices for ages. In the EU, some years ago, Microsoft was forced to display options for which web browser you wanted as a standard during initial setup. I've always seen the App stores as an even greater violation of anti-monopoly regulations.
When even Linus covers apple vs epic, you know it's gone too far.
I literally never skip his sponsor segways lol. He's so upfront and smooth about it lol
*Segue not Segway, Segway is the thing you ride around on
mangledbadger45 k grammar nazi
i like them cause they arent annoying "alright um so heres the script for your sponsor please talk about it for 5 minutes thank you"
@@JorisGriffioen Okay. That's funny.
@@mangledbadger45 There's nothing wrong with pointing out a spelling error. Now he won't spell it like that on some PowerPoint presentation at work.
Epic signed the contract, they knew what they were getting into. Epic is in the wrong
I hope that Tim and his company win this lawsuit.
Nice
When you want to make an app for Apple's platforms and it hits with the :"YOU NEED A MAC OR AN APPLE'S MACHINE TO DO THAT" and the "30% CUT"