Red's Overpriced "Mini Mag" Cards - The Real Story
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Red Digital Cinema has come under fire recently over allegations that their Mini-Mag storage cards are just cheap commodity SSDs in a fancy enclosure. As it turns out, there's some truth to these assertions, but the situation is not quite as simple as it's made out to be. Let's unwrap it.
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2,500$ for 1TB ?!?!?! I feel absolutely 100% NOT sorry for Red.
You have no idea how little value money has to a huge chunk of people.
If you think that’s expensive you should look into movie production budgets
Trung Lê Quốc People are also ok with the Camera Price 50k etc. which is just over exaggerated because the thing it self would cost.. like always.. only a few 100$
*APPLE HAS JOINED THE CHAT*
They're marketing it to commercial production studios. That's why they can mark up the prices.
it was a typo, they didn't spend millions on R&D, they saved millions on R&D
No, they spent millions on d&d. They have the entire world built by that guy from Weta who designed modular sets. Turns out their engineers are just massive nerds....i know, hard to believe.
RNG
Research & Donuthin
@@CanthusOfCandE r/wooooosh
@@KingOfJonnyBoy understood topic creator was joking, replied with an alternative joke... Got r/wooooosh'd? Fine it might not of been funny but not being funny when intended does not fit the criteria of not understanding a joke. So it appears the r/wooooosh is infact held by you by not understanding I was joking... Not sure how, considering I mention about people being shocked that engineers are nerds which should be a big red 'not serious' flag, with a 'this is a joke' siren going every 8 seconds... But nevermind. Next time you might get lucky and use it correctly.
Guessing you have no idea what d&d is either.
"Red claims this is to protect the user from accidental deletions"
*Off camers scoffing laugh*
RED: Protects users from accidentally deleting files.
Also RED: Puts that very same data at risk to save money.
Perfectly legal con artists.
Nice catch
good catch
Stupid people and big corporations. Those CEO'S gotta get outrageous bonus with tax breaks!!!
@@JMPERager Not to mention, now you can delete ALL your data with a button press, rather than 1 video.
Jinnimag: "Red is selling crappy 480GB SSD's for 1400 dollars!"
Linus: "No, Red is selling **regular** 480GB SSD's for 1400 dollars."
It is crappy since it's fucking low end tier. They're basically selling you old Crucial ssd drives instead of top tier Samsung's
@@mesicek7 even top tier samsungs wouldn't be worth it hell intel sells fucking OPTANE pci-e 480gb ssd's for $850, $550 less then RED's regular 480gb SSD's
@@mesicek7 no, they're selling them for about 3x the price of an Optane SSD.
I mean, the SKU that Linus has is MLC, not TLC which is used nearly everywhere now (not accounting for new QLCs that have popped up)
and this jinni idiot is selling his ripoff ssd's for 1000 bucks lmao
$20 ssd in a 50k camera. How many millions did they spend on RnD to make that decision.
They say a few millions lol.
About the price of a Starbucks coffee. (over said coffee)
Well, someone over at RED must have spent a couple million of their brain cells trying to look for a valid reason to sell $20 SSDs at a 5000% markup.
Wait 1tb ssd for 20 usd?
Buy me some of those ssd's.
@@OkOk-tu3gc absolutely, if you buy few hundreds/thousands of them.
Future LTT Video:
Making a RAID 1 M.2 RED Mag replacement.
This please Linus!
Do this
This is not possible basicly becouse (as far as i know) there is nothing that its have RAID controller on this form factor that can fit into camera's MAG's enclosure.
@@Kamiloza it doesn't have to
@@Kamiloza it could be made longer with some sort of ribbon cable connecting the drives inside
Wait, RED charge $1450 for a 480gb ssd? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
plus tax , hahahahaha
well at least it comes with an adapter and 2 pieces of aluminum XD this reminds me of Apple, "BUY A MAC FOR 5000$ AND PAY 1000$ MORE TO MAKE IT STAND" hahahaha
@@omalakastisgitonias That MAc actually has a reason tho, the standard price for the ''default'' configuration of the industry that that Mac was selling itself towards is 18k dollars minimum, managing to match in quality to that standard(if they actually do, but alas) in just 5k dollars is a big fucking deal. And the 1k stand would be the support fees.
@@anothernoob9110 dude, these guys at LMG ran a way better tower config with mac os at way less the cost. plus, i would be ok with the mac plus and the mac stand being that pricy IF they could actually get it right bcz i've seen 99% of all who own a mac and stand fall apart.
@@omalakastisgitonias lol the display is 5k the mac will be another 6-30k
Jinni: Red’s bad!
Red: No u
Linus: I’m about to end these men’s whole careers.
not
Grammar Nazi: *mens'--Apostrophe after the S.
@@chubbyadler3276 Another Grammar Nazi : *Man's -- its singular,
@@Snowaxe3D Context is plural, though.
@@chubbyadler3276 men is plural of man, therefore it's "men's" or "these men their".
I work in the medical device industry and this practice of "transformative" tech is so common for medical device companies to markup their prices on simple things. To call out the most egregious example is Nihon Koden. They sell patient monitoring systems that save patient vitals to an SD card. The "NK approved SD card" is a 1 GB Toshiba SD card with no special firmware or physical differences than a standard card. They charge around $150 per card when a similar one can be bought for $6. "Well if there is no blocks to using a different SD card, why don't you?" Well it _would work_ , but if a patient ever passes on an NK machine, the SD card would get blamed as a modification to the OEM's device, leading to legal trouble.
jjjhhhmmmxxx26 I think that’s what a lot of people don’t understand about “mission critical” or “professional” gear. You aren’t so much buying the thing as you are buying the fringe benefits of the thing. If you run a company that produces a good or a service, facing litigation due to any degree of short-cut taking is no-no.
That's wild. Especially for an industry that really shouldn't be all about profit margins.
@@yedoom I do work for the medical industry as well, it's all about profits. Massive profits
@@aussiegruber86 an insurance funded system. No one that buys the overpriced crap is actually paying for it themselves, so cost isn't their first priority. It's what back handed perks they can get.
Same with civil service rolls.
@@TomasOBrien Yep, it's paying for the guarantee that this product has been tested and certified to work as expected. The other thing I imagine they are worried about is if someone gets a class 3 sd card when their device requires a class 10. They both say toshiba on it so the guy purchasing it doesn't understand why it shouldn't work. By forcing the sale they're guaranteeing a certified product is being used. 10 x mark up is ridiculous though, that cost should be rolled into the purchase of the machine, not the sd card.
So, a low cost consumer SSD in a fancy box for $2,350.00 , and doesn’t even have redundancy.
That’s a really huge margin profit.
Red: The Apple Of Cameras
Christian Permalino lol these make Apple SSD upgrades look like a killer deal.
You could afford a 960gb 970 pro AND a monitor stand for the price of a RED mag
Jeevan A. LOL GOOD ONE!
I wouldn't even refer to it as a profit margin. That's just plain thievery.
Appreciate the more objective, neutral take on the whole situation. Hard to come by nowadays.
It's me
@@demomanfromtf2574 what?
@@demomanfromtf2574 wut
@@cameronszachta3116 yes
@@itsbean6374 ?
Seriously? Requiring a full format everytime you want to delete a single file, just because you (RED) don't know how to do TRIM properly (or cheaped out so hard as to pick an SSD without TRIM support)?!
well not really, it's more like: RED knows their basic SSD's are weak/wear out easily and so decided to limit their users in such a way that their fancy ass "mags" don't break as easily.
The intended user don't care one bit. When you work on a professional film set you never delete a take on set. It's just to big of a risk that you delete the wrong file and you also don't have the time for that. It's just so much cheaper to swap out the card when it is full instead of reviewing all clips and deciding which ones you might not need anymore.
@@janludwig7286 no but a feature is a feature is a feature. not needing it in normal circumstances do not mean it is never needed. Layers after layer of confirmation screen is "preventing accidental deletion" but using proprietary interface that is as slow as sata means not getting a shot or wasting time in production in order to offload all the files off to another storage media then format the mag if the mag is about full and there is several out takes and good takes already done. I can see this being super annoying when you have to guess how many takes you would do to get the final shot then ask the finance to buy you 1500 or 3000 dollar megS (and without redundancy
@@yufeipan5989 You don't waste time offloading cards, normally you just quickly back them up with special software or a hardware device, which takes a couple off minutes and then you send the physical cards to editorial, where they are backed up again and ingested into the NLE. You just take enough cards do it isn't a problem. For the last film we had cards for 10-20 days, depending on schedule, so you are never in a position where you delete individual clips.
I love Pissed off Linus, he's had a gripe with Red for years! but he's right to point out their BS
Full Linus sass engaged
i love sass linus
Sassy Linus is why I wake up every day.
You can see the rage filled nuclear meltdown just below the surface, especially toward the end lol. I don't blame him
*looking at Apple and Intel
Linus in about 1 week: How to build your own RED MAG for a tenth of the cost!
I would love to see this
Since it's a pin-to-pin adapter, I imagine it won't be that hard to fit almost anything in. Hell, throw in a little cabling and you could have virtually unlimited access to a RAID'ed 4 TB and up.
@@Dream0Asylum yeah I'd pay to see Linus hook 4TB+ of RAID 10'd SSDs up to a RED camera, seems right up his alley
@@Dream0Asylum FAT32 is not only limited to 4gb per file but also to a max disk/partition size of 2TB ;)
He has a 3D printer build a adapter with extension ribbon then if he could find off the shelf mini raid controller where he can put 2 in raid and trick the camera thinking it's one. Then they would float in a 3d case outside the camera. Just to prove to Red there doing it wrong or how "easy it is".
we bought a red package in 2014 for around 62K. 4 years later it all sold for under 20K.... Never buying red again.
dollars, kroner or vietnamese dong
I never bought a RED camera obviously - but it looks like they loose their value about 5 times faster than Arri
@@matesaktesak yeah, because arri is more expensive and high quality. Although red still loses value less than other camera makers like sony or fujifilm
@@akanta5746 very true
Index funds...
As someone who recently experienced a complete failure on a brand new 960 whilst shooting a Netflix original and I'm STILL fighting for repair or replacement, this video makes me really freaking mad.
I knew it'd be basically a rebranded ssd but I was expecting something like a high end samsung SSD.
I know. I put an EVO 860 in my PS4. i cant even sip some water before my games load.
Linus blink twice if you are being payed out by RED right now
Yes but actually no
@@AG.Floats You watched the Vid to the end right?
Why bay for high end when you get a higher markup with the shit tier
Me: why is the mag so expensive
Red : you gotta pay for the repair for when it breaks.
Me : but I haven’t even bought it yet
Red : ItS gOINg to BrEaK
Reminds me of the John Pinette you gotta buy the warranty bit, lol.
cost of data recovery built in... more reason to go black magic
Think they call it Apple logic..
I wanted to upvote your comment but it has 666 likes.
I hope it stays that way.
Why?
For the glory of Satan of course!
Yeah, basically
samsung: sells good SSD's for a low price
RED: wait, thats illigal!!
Ayoub illi wat
IllEgal
@@ElZamo92 yes I know, it was I typo
WD has way cheaper SSD with decent speed
illigal? did you have a stroke?
I love that not even Linus or his team had the heart to actually put the camera or mini mag links into the description and instead just put a general link to "digital cameras" 10/10.
See im surprised red doesn’t have duel card slot because then people would have to buy 2 $2k ssds
dual
Fear not! They will release new version with this "revolutionary" feature at some point, and it will be cost only 20% more. Ofcourse old Mags will not work, and you have to buy new, "better" sets :D
Well if they had a Dual card solution they wouldn't have to factor in the cost of Data Recovery on the SSD's as you'll have redundancy but then how is RED gonna make profit on the people who's SSD's don't fail.
@@bigdrill8881 No wait, he's onto something with duel... The stronger defeats the weaker, forcing you to buy a new one to replace the pathetic weak card.
@@EvanAust lmao
I remember when Corridor Digital put out a video saying you knew absolutely nothing about your RED rant when you put it out, and a big thing they complained about was how you were talking about how ridiculous the redmags are. They said that you knew nothing about how expensive movie shots need on reliable storage mediums so they won't get lost, and they remarked that the Red mags were always reliable and that RED would recover all the data if the device corrupted. I think it's kinda funny how they flexed their 6 year RED ownership badge and were still wrong about their stuff.
RED can tout their data recovery all they want, but that is still downtime for the studio, and down time is something that is almost NEVER tolerated. Movie studios may do a reshoot, or have multiple cameras on the shoot in case of a drive failure. Sure, it may not be exactly what the director wanted, but for those shots that can only be pulled off once due to set damage, time spent reassembling the set is time that could be better spent elsewhere.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew RED can't tout data recovery. Most data recovery is done by random shops in the vicinity. Again, there's no special sauce in here, if your ssd fails you go to.. actual people who do data recovery, not RED. Because yo uneed it done NOW.
@@Folsomdsf2 Yeah, but RED is the one who pays for it I'm guessing...
Corridor digital are ignorant, but what can you expect from CZcams "filmmakers".
Sky Aklost I dunno, they definitely have a good appreciation for what photorealistic lighting cues will make a scene look bad, a good handle on animation skills, and they use a lot more than AE. Maybe not Hollywood professionals per-say, but they can make damn good shots either way.
Next Week: Red cameras are actually Iphones with fance housing and adapters XD
Killed me haha
Lego Mini Movie Productions sorry red cameras are actually Chinese smart phones with fancy housing and adapters 😌😏
@@thesuperstar4470 The irony would be if Apple also made their phones in China. Imagine the odds of that happening to truly make it funny.
Legiro let me tell you one thing Apple is different and red is different Apple is far better than red if we do comparison, red is also a scam you can see that how they cheat people using normal msata card and telling everyone that it’s a proprietary red card. Whereas Apple don’t do such things at least they don’t scam people they have got good team you can see their iOS OS and one of the biggest corporation in the world if Apple wants they can make their own camera department
@@thesuperstar4470 Planned obsolescence, attempts to hinder 3rd party repairs, exorbitant 1st party repair/replacement prices with subpar services offered for the premium costing goods is not a scam? Now I've heard everything. Also, you do realize that the only real Apple thing about Apple products are the build and the apps, not the components? I mean, surely many would buy a camera branded with Apple logo on it. Wouldn't change the fact that it would consist of entirely not Apple proprietary tech, because R&D-ing your entrance into such industry is insane costs. So... basically they would do the same thing - they would brand their products, ramp up the price to a premium, 4-10 times more than production costs, and sell it to customers. Which is basically what they are doing. Granted, they have rather interesting program and OS solutions. But so does the Red, ironically enough.
11:40 that short background laugh from someone in the crew and Linus containing his own laugh afterwards. G O L D
Wow, you have good hearing (or my speakers are cheap rubbish).
So basically, Red is upselling old tech SSD with DRM, formatted with fat32.
Yep.
Well, yeah, pretty much.
Setting a user writable value in a SMART register in not DRM
as long as the price is reasonable
@@loreaver3882 it's not
who else felt ripped off, but don't even own a RED camera?
Apple customers.
It's honestly the camera equivalent of a Ferrari, if you get pissed that a replacement key costs you $500, you don't even deserve to have it.
@@microtasker heh, "deserve".
@@microtasker oof. Wrong choice of words bucko.
@@microtasker At least Ferraris aren't just standard cars with a paintover.
RED employee: Boss, this costs us $100 to manufacture. If we count the R&D that went into making this stupid interface, we break even at selling them at $130. What price do we sell them at?
Boss: Hmm... Let me think.....
*H O W A B O U T $ 1 5 0 0*
Not in a million years does it cost them $100 dollars to manufacture, it's probably more like $30 per unit.
@@MrJodete23 makes it even worse then.
@@MrJodete23 At the most. Probably more like $8 tbh.
lol
@@rorschacht8478 nah probably $5
I love when Linus rips into these rediculous companies and their crazy stupid prices then goes back and buy said stuff
He's not the kind of guy who boycott something when he doesn't like it. He did the review professionally and left the conclusion to the viewer. The old standard of journalism
But why wouldn't he choose to pay less? That doesn't need him to "boycott" anything or anyone, just shop around.
@@mal2ksc most likely because at the time, there's no other storage that's compatible with the camera
But we're talking about his buying habits _now,_ not when Red was the only game in town.
@@mal2ksc idk. need to asks him at twitter
I love when Linus rips into a company that sorta has it coming
Hi
Rudra Jain Hi
@@yaseennazim8895 How Are You?
what did you say again? @ Corridor Crew czcams.com/video/fuSJ5k1orBk/video.html
@@cclacss lol that was a horrible video, kinda proved him right
Doesn't come formatted
wont let you use it until formatted
makes you do it yourself
$2250 before tax :)
That's fine for a pro product tbh.
Except the mSATA-SSD-For-2150-more-than-market-value part.
And how much will a form-fitted RAID board and double the required storage cost? Yeah....more
@@TheSpliffinatoR I mean, that's a hot glue type solution. RAID should be done onboard the camera, unfortunately it wasn't designed with this feature in mind so you gotta go for a messier solution.
But playing devil's advocate, even if it were to have it's own standalone controller, it wouldn't cost all that much, logic chips are cheap, especially ones this simple. Most of the costs would be in R&D and integration.
@@SiriusXification Even if it was onboard. When are the R1 consistency checks going to run? Everytime you boot, whenever the user says ok? Plug it in, overnight? Not to mention, R1 will need some ECC to resolve corruption, or go triple redundancy.
@@TheSpliffinatoRLiterally only at write time. This isn't an operating system. Writes should be happening simultaneously from the internal framebuffer to both of the output devices, not whenever the OS feels like it.
You could pair that up with a simple crc check of a bunch of frames to confirm there isn't massive failure at boot.
With healthy drives, any inconsistency would result in at worst a hot pixel or something, not sensitive data loss.
For the price of the cameras, they couldn't license exFAT? Or even NTFS and license a driver from Paragon for Mac/Linux?
Actually for video recording, UDF would probably be better (since it's log-structured, which is most efficient for sequential writes).
Or maybe as cheap as raid 1 controller with two ssd in 1 mag for redundancy?
On PRO equipement, SSD controllers should be able to read back the written data to detect flash failure, rewrite data on another Page and/or signal the failure.
Isn't that kind of data integrity check implemented inside the ssd controller already?
I like how this entire video was just "I brought this up years ago, and the entire community are idiots."
10/10 Would watch Linus Roast again
i just did hahaha
He owns REDs, so what does that make him?
@@krane15 That makes him someone who knew exactly what he was getting and was willing to shell out for good product but didn't really make a stink about it when he knew full well that there was more typical tech present in the memory cards.
@@krane15 An ass??
@@RobertPendell yes , did not want to admit he had been scammed . sad man. i used to like watching his stuff but he has lost all integrity
I love how Linus just shot both offenders at point blank range, no prisoners here. You're both guilty as charged lol.
Gave em both barrels.
but really just RED is guilty.
Why is jinni an offender?
@@ironicbobcat1 trying to stir controversy just to get a piece of the pie
@@ironicbobcat1 They were almost as misleading with their claims, and having this suddenly blow up like this makes it highly suspect as viral marketing. They are also essentially just circumventing the RED proprietary DRM, which has varying degrees of legality and risk to both JInni and consumers. (I'm sure that the RED TOS has a section stating that using any 3rd party media voids all warranties and they won't even consider recovery, etc for media failures, even if it was caused by their own hardware)
Just seen this. I used to support a couple of Red cameras. Lovely devices, except for the cost. Every bit of the camera is incredibly expensive.. We spent a small fortune on parts for those cameras.
Still they are far from the only company. I used to support Sun Workstations (before they merged with Oracle, although I should imagine this still goes on today). One day, we had a CD Rom fail.
It being a Sun workstation, I couldn't just bung a generic PC CD rom in.. I got a quote for a replacement CD Rom, which I was happy to fit. The quote was around $600 . Having no choice, I got our procurement department to order one. When it turned up a couple of days later, it was clearly a low spec (it was 2x when the standard was 4x) generic SCSI CD Rom that had just been adjusted to report it was a Sun device.
Can we get a comparison between RED and Blackmagic Design?
Who thought the sponsor was going to be ifixit for a second?
Me
Mee2
Was kinda disappointed when it wasn't...
Me3
Me2
"Millions of dollars in R&D"
aka
"I paid myself millions of dollars for saying to sell cheap crap off the shelf for 10x time price."
TheOneAboveAll more like 20-30x
Just like Apple.
Actually, you get these ssds for $20-$40 if you are buying them in big quantities. Selling something for $2200 that cost you ~$50 for production/importing, would be 44x the price. It's like making a coffee for $0.20 and selling it for $9.
@@Hoch134 so they get a 1tb ssd for 20-40 bucks? I'd buy them all at price.
@@FiddyBee you get then at $40, with minimal QA and at minimal quantity of 100000 units
11:40 the laugh by staff is amazing
I switched to BlackMagic years ago. But owning the Red gets you jobs.
Ian Killingsley Dude, BlackMagic is dope. My favorite thing they make is their software.....Davinci Resolve is a fantastic piece of software. I’d take it over Adobe Premier any day of the week, that and it’s only a flat payment unlike Adobe’s retarded-ass subscription bullshit. Even the free version of Resolve is packed with a ton of features.
@@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 But like Ian said Red gets you job. I'm not in this profession but in any type of client-based job your equipment's image is more important than yours. It doesn't matter if Blackmagic stuff is better than Red because clients don't know nor care to learn. It's like how people buy a Mac even if they don't like Apple because you won't be taken seriously with an HP or Lenovo.
nerdyneedsalife That’s the sad and unfortunate truth.
@@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511 Again I'm not in the profession so I have no money to back my statements but the only way to change it is to continue using the device you use. Let your work speak for itself and if it's good, the clients won't care how you made it.
@@vlc-cosplayer Did I mention HP?
I think the conversation will blow up after THIS video Linus
im pretty sure light will not prevail kizaru
Now I’m wondering if these likes are because of my username/picture or the actual comment.
@@TheAlienGangster username, and picture XD
hope so lol
can you do Light speed kick?
I spent millons of dollars in R&D making this comment. How much should I charge people to use it?
tree fiddy
*Guldan voice* EEEEVERYTHIIING
Shut the f*ck up and take my money
As much as you want, as long as you will retrieve my comment if it get's deleted
your comment is nothing but a repackaged and overpriced, standard troll comment. I'll make an exposee video calling you out and sell a competing comment for half the price your comment sells for.
13:30
That's bang on the money. It's cheaper for them to "generously" provide data recovery for a small percentage of cases than make every single unit actually commercial grade with redundant measures.
That's assuming the data is recovered.
And to be fair, if they don't want to do that that's fine.
But don't demand insane prices for something probably less reliable than my samsung ssd I bought from any random store.
It's like printers user protesting why cartridges are overpriced.
Because fuck consumer rights
I didn't know it was possible to be so aggressive while wearing socks and sandals
And Jorts
First time here? lmao
whats wrong with socks and sandals? I never take my damn socks out lol
And being Canadian
@Gamblingo 225
Canadians can be plenty aggressive, it's just that sandals and socks are not the trigger. Ice skates are.
when you see the video at 360p because its brand new
Was wondering why this happened 😂
Its somehow better since it's more special
I walked downstairs just to watch it on my desktop...Guess I'll watch something else while it finishes processing...
this has never happened to me before
Same!
Condor edited their video attacking Linus making jokes about buying reds. They pulled all mention of media after this came out
Lotta respect to the way this video was framed. Good job.
Every time Linus waves his hand, some part flies away. I just can't stop laughing.........
KARATE CHOP!
why is this not the top comment?
@@NoSkates SLAPCHOP! lol
See, bad build quality as well on those mags as well LMAO
Gotten to the point where he just watches it bounce away without breaking stride in his sentence.
You know, Ive always seen Linus frustrated at the way companies handle their tech (Eg: Apple)
But in this video, I could feel his anger at RED through his expressions, It was honestly nice to see him mad at their shitty way of handling things.
search for "LTT RED", you'll get to see just about how frustrated he is with RED cameras.
Yash Mathur
What you do here, honestly?? mad! Why you use RED?
ProRes 4444 XQ? apple you meant?
shitty way of handling things??
What I see is someone who tries to defend a big company and who was forced by its viewers to make this video
@@parranoic He isn't really defending it. He's defending neither of the parties.
@@parranoic he? Defending? Have you even seen the whole video or did you just watch the first minutes and then jumped to a conclusion? Like Donald Trump I mean...
Arri still wins...and so does Blackmagic...i see no point in using a red except for bragging rights on false sensor resolution
Arri is a different class, IMO C200 Canon just killed the REDs
@@ignacymat definitely, c200 is a documentary king ...basically the best thing next to an Arri...canon is reliable and compatible...and its just so good
👍
the dark and greddy color science do has some use of it's own
@@jingtianwang9793 tbh... Color science is just not as important as it used to be... digital raw is so versatile now that you can emulate everything so easily...LUTs are great but however, one thing color science is still important for is Skin tones, skin tones are so hard to nail and Arri is just slaying it in that department, throw any light on the skin, it still comes out pleasant...idk how they do that and its hard to fix that in post... Canon comes close to this except its not as sharp and sometimes becomes too pink for darker skin tones, but RED does mediocre job...sunlight, its Ok but Purple LED light, it still sucks.
What an awesome segment! Nice break down of all the bits
Now create your own Red Mini-Mag out of a million micro-SD cards.
*Kingston screaming in the distance*
you can buy 1tb sd cards. only for a small price of about 400$
Raid floppies
@@kiplinght i can just imagine the sounds of all those drives in a raid array. That would be amazing.
Red Mini-Mag now with "Revolutionary" RGB ... lol
*Linus Drop Tips*
8:37 - Throws mSATA SSD...oops
12:02 - Karate Chops SSD Interface Adapter
The real reason I'm here.
lmAO KARATE CHOPS XD
Watching those two back to back had me Lolling so hard I think I finally jostled my kidney stone into my bladder.
Really looks like he did both of those on purpose out of spite for the unnecessary drama, considering all the present satire and triggers like calling SAYTA SAHTA at one point
Linus so mad he like drops TWICE!
An incredible video, great work for the entire team.
11:36 at the end of his line, that background laugh got me so hard😂😂
spend 50k on a camera, get a generic ssd but 10x the price
25x actually.
That’s the problem. I mean if the equipment can’t be manufactured by someone else such as RTx series, they can charge as much as they want. #shitsmanufacturersaid
@@metalstorm54 But it can. See Jinnimag. Which is a blatant rip-off of red's ip but i don't really feel sorry for them at all ... red i mean.
Makes you think how overpriced the cameras might be too!
Well, you did just buy a camera for 50k sooooo......
the way linus aptly put his "switch gears" approach to the video was grand, this was a very well scripted episode! to be honest the way it played out was like a teacher talking to two children, talking first to the child that punched back, and then turning to the one who instigated and made the situation what it was and being like "now listen here you little shit" xD
“You reap what you sow” “magic black box marketing” these are the best, most intelligent burns I’ve heard in a while. Great video
Best vide you've made this far, Linus. 100% unbiased perfection.
Or just biased against both parties! :D
He calls jinnimag knockoff. How can doing the exact same thing as red result in a knockoff?
They invested millions on the marketing campaign of the SSD, and maybe 5 or 6 bucks on the engineering.
Yes, those were spent to buy screwdrivers
@@vikas274 and the paint for the case
They spent millions (2) on a couple of fancy milling machines and some fancy 3d printers. "Let's make test samples with these and say we spent millions on R&D." 😂
Engineering? I thought they just did some fancy milling and added an adpter.
Did they graduate from the Beats school of product design, and manufacturing?
Linus: *Pulls out the sweet iFixit kit*
Me: Oh here comes a smooth segue to iFixit!!
Linus: CORSAIR!!
marketing genius! got you to think about two brands for the price of one sponsor.
*segue
@@sithlordgaming6692 I FIXED SO MUCH OF HIS STUFF! HE OWES ME ONE! -ifixit
honestly, "brought to you by" is probably the best segue tbh
There was a sponsored video by some pc maker like Pegasus by linus, the entire video was sponsored and it also had 2 sponsors.
God it's been nearly 5 years since this video came out... Hell the old intro feels like it was decades ago atp
wow, this channel is really great. i mean, to maintain objectivity with such a subscriber count and revenue is really impressive. keep it up!!!
This video is 10/10 - that last 15 seconds where you discuss their lack of innovation felt incredibly raw... well said!
I just hope this means we get to see LMG make their own Red Mag since most of it is off the shelf parts! Possibly with RAID 1?
Y'know that'd be freakin' interesting.
TitanKingMedia yes!!! I want to see them build a raid 1 solution. That would be sweet!
I don't know how they would even do such a thing but it would be awesome. They would have to basically build a custom RAID controller unless a standalone one exists.
@@HDSantosYT go to about 13:45 in the video, they literally explain how to do it. On top of that they did a whole video on their new workshop tools so they have the tech to do it
You're a fucking genius.
I love how he is giving a tutorial of how to take it apart like we own one 😂
"Repackaging commodity products and marking them up 10x upsets me"
*has RayCon and Ridge Wallet as sponsors*
I can always rely on Linus to break down the entire scenario and make sense of it all 👏
Yeah... he's always been good at breaking things...
Sir Sic hahaha, always.
Well more so he's writers...
Except for the silly "nobody is forcing me to buy this" argument like it's just letting bad practices off the hook because nobody is standing there with a gun to your head. I don't care much for the companies' rights to rip their customers off.
ikr
I applaud Linus's willingness to both defend and criticize red in order to give us the cold hard truth.
Transparency is beautiful
You're candor on this one is outstanding.
11:40 That laugh in the background was such great punctuation ;-)
Why is Linus reviewing a red PS2 memory card
This is a 10 year old video, why are you watching it now
Reupload.
@@branko_the_alien 10 years ago the PS3 was nearly 3 years old.
The good old days hum.
@@chrisw3311 well CZcams didn't exist for most of the PS2's lifetime.
Those Crucial SSDs in the 480GB mag have a rated TBW of 72TB. For huge files like those used in video recording this is insane. Samsung drives perform 5x better in this regard, RED is intentionally ripping people off by choosing profit margins over quality and reliability.
Kevin Clingerman so you can fully write to them for around 150 times. Probably more, but this is what Crucial guarantees. Lol. What a joke.
The 500 GB Crucial MX500 in my PC has a better (180 TB) write endurance than a RED mag!
@@Daku93 Even worse, you'd get half that, since Red requires you to erase the mag before reuse.
Until Dawn Crepes earasing a SSD does not consume a write cycle.
Ive got a crucial m.2 ssd. Around 480gb aswell. Works fine i guess
Tech Judge Linus : "Red, You are reaping what you've sown" -- Shots fired, shots fired.
We need an update on the Jinnitech saga
So RED is basically apple pricing with EA development?
😂😂
Apple sheep arent going to like this comment
HAHAHAHAHA
at least apples ssds are good
@@rohithmekala2608 They are made by Samsung LOL. And it is not hard to have a decent SSD today, it ain't that expensive 150-200 bucks for some of the higher-end models.
I don't even record video, but this made me happy. Good for you Linus.
same XD
From the tone when he was talking about redundancy, I feel like this video was sparked by a video _we'll never get to see_.
Thumbnail is amogus?
What you came here for: the Linus dropping things timestamps 1:49, 8:29 & 11:54.
Bonus: Chipped edges on the mag 13:28 indicating potential droppage.
The chipped edges are more likely from fumbling when putting it into the slot I'd imagine.
$2400 for that thing and I’d better be able to take a hammer to it and have it survive.
The worn edges are "cosmetic" in design, like 'distressed jeans.' ;) Summer Special! +$499.99 only for this unique RED feature! (limited time only)
@@racrguy That's a thing that the casing (removed at the begining) legitimately helps with and why basically any storage device proprietary or not that's meant to be added and removed will have one.
@12:47
Red: Data recovery at no cost
Also Red: Data recovery rolled into the price of purchase
Contradicting themselves. It ain't at no cost if you charge the customers in advance.
You can't reasonably criticise red for that.
Virtually every product and service in the world has 'free' things included. These are all accounted for in the cost of the product. In most cases, that would be the basic warranty. Certain products and services have more than the basic warranty included for 'free' where the cost is obviously included in the base fee.
Hotels offering 'free' wi-fi is an example that instantly comes to mind.
Saying 'free' and technically meaning 'no additional cost' to something attached to a product is a perfectly normal and accepted practice.
@@KeppyKep Or stores that offer "Free" parking. I think the best term to use is complimentary, RED offer complimentary data recovery that is subsidised when you purchase the card.
Still does't change the fact that having no redundancy in a camera that can be filming several thousand dollar shots is ridiculous. Especially when competitors offer redundancy for a hell of a lot cheaper.
"Free with purchase"
That's how "at no cost"-services works. Wait till you hear about how "free shipping" is paid for.
Recovers at no cost but at the cost of your data and fucking time and resources that you spent on recovering it. It's now like that moment returns again even if you want to shoot it again.
Linus held it together until the THANXX at the end 😂
Cordor digital are still eating crow for this lolol "QUALITY"
Jinni: Charges with his cavalry of pissed off consumers
Red: Charges with his cavalry of templar fanboys
Everybody:
Linus: **Carpet bombs everything**
Red & Jinni: :o
This needs more upvotes. badly.
Spot on.
Best post right here.
pickachu face
This video left me a bit confused, probably because I had no clue of this whole Jinny tech thing etc till I saw Linus’s video. Now it seems that Linus is taking extra precaution to ensure this situation does not spiral into the knock-off mag guy’s favor, but after having watched a few minutes of Jinnytech video I am confused. Jinny tech seems adamant that RED is doing something clearly illegal (if anyone has seen the guy cites some federal laws and shit, so he acts like he has a strong case?) by saying the mags are made in USA. So you might expect Linus to clear this up but at 7:45 he says “no foul play” then backs off from that? so is RED doing something wrong or not, Linus? Also, at the start of the video around 3:45 to 4:10 Linus clearly seems to imply that Jinnytech’s claim that the mags are prone to failure and shitty are flawed, and how it does not “necessarily” mean so, then towards the end he completely shits on the way RED goes about doing things and highlights how it causes loss of productivity.
The fact that they throttle drives without their magic bits is enough to make me loose any sympathy for them. That's some Apple level stuff.
Yeah that's one of the worst things about this, want to sell a ~$100 SSD for $2,000 ok fine whatever but swapping a part for another and crippling/bricking the device is just insane.
I think the proper term you meant use is CrApple. This term should be standard across the industry by now.
They should probably stick to making their sensors, that seems like the only thing they are actually passionate about
That's even sub Apple level. At least has Apple put in good stuff, not the "unknown brand SSD" red does. I expected at least a Samsung 860 PRO or some Industrial Grade SSD, but they used at best midrange SSD's. For a price point where you would expect the fancy pancy stuff.
No, I think to be Apple level they would have to make it so it would brick your entire system if it didn't have the magic bits.
holy its been 2 years since the madboi linus red camera video? D: Also merry christmas
the true genius that brings viewers here in the first place in FULL FORCE
Remember when Corridor said that they're more reliable than ordinary SSDs? C
That's true!!! Haha
I really like corridor crew, but is kinda dissapointing how they support this kind of bullshit from red
Maybe not more reliable but just better support if files get lost.
I like Corridor's work, but damn, they are pretentious.
@@GusGusGusGusGus The number of clients I have that legit bought Apple here in Brazil (TEN times the cost of a similar spec Dell) because *APPLE HAS THE MAGIC* and then realized they can't afford RMA'ing it when their keyboard inevitably fails is astonishing, to say the least. I'm not an Apple hater and I know they are not that bad (outside the country I live) price-wise if you are a professional, but you don't need a Mac Pro to render low poly parts in Blender for christ sakes.
Not gonna lie, I thought at first that this was going to be a total shill piece for RED. You really had me in the first half Linus.
But yeah, this was a good one. Shows multiple angles on the matter. Jinni seems to be creating controversy to sell product which is only possible because RED seems to have a shitty product in the first place.
yeah but what exactly is wrong with that? Of course your competitor is going to exploit your weakest link lol that's why you don't do stuff like this and "hope nobody finds out"
@@bobbybologna3029 I goota say im rooting for Jinny tech.
He was overly critical of Jinni and overly defensive of red imo. Who really cares if Jinni has ulterior motives? Red has been shitty for too long
That's just capitalism baby
I think linus has a love hate relationship with red, they know red has the best cameras but they hate how theyre forced to buy offer priced stuff. I wouldve attacked red too if i was forced to cough up 200k for overpriced camera stuff
Videos like this are why I love your channel.
This was very fun to watch as it was borderline in a different language. Nice
"Once the illusion fails, people feel justifiably betrayed and pissed off." This was a really revealing and carefully thought-out production and took some interesting risks. People was griping about Linus complaining about RED's pricing. Linus right now shows that he knows about the illusion of RED and he backs it up eloquently.
You sound like my 10th grade Pre-AP English II classmates trying to write an essay
I have no fuckin clue what you said
And I totally agreed with him in that statement, because adding to what you said, even more people will just try and jump to conclusions easily rather than take their time to have already seen such a situation coming.
Either way, most people who would have bought RED mags and mini-mags would have already been smart-enough to realize what they were getting for what they were paying for, RED is guilty or not, the customers have chosen what they chose to buy.
@@NoorquackerInd Remedial English?
@@DirtyMike_n_theBoyz You should try reading it again. I believe in you. You can do anything, if you put your mind to it.
Apple: *quietly sneaks out with 1000$ apple stand*
At least the stand is optional and 3rd party vesa compatible ones can be bought. These red drives are a necessity and advertised as having Millions of R&D
At least you can use any monitor with a Mac Pro. You spend how much on a red camera and then how much to use it? Don’t forget the batteries that it doesn’t come with, the display they forgot to include, or the fucking $2500 1TB SSD. EVEN FUCKING APPLE gave you a bigger ssd for that in their MacBooks before they updated pricing. An SSD, mind you, with Fat32, are you shitting me? exFAT has been supported on systems for more than 10 years and it’s pretty inexcusable to sell a professional product today with 25 year old technology at its core for over $2000.
There's no reason to shit on the $999 stand unless the magnetic support system will drop the XDR display.
At least the stand is over engineered to be slim and minimal without actually giving any benefits....
Classic apple *cough* butterfly keyboard *cough*
@@Radi0he4d1 There is a reason. You can get the same quality from a product not even a quarter of the price.
What's interesting is that Red, after this video went up, started using CompactFlash (albeit not redundant) for their cameras, eliminating the need for proprietary firmware. I don't know if they still do the FAT32 workaround or the special formatting thing, though.
Reminds me of the Seagate external drives that were sold with free Data Recovery.
Seeing that in the store, remembering al my failed Seagate drives: "yeah, you'll need it..."
This is why I appreciate Linus. He's willing to call these companies out on their BS.
That's just called having a spine.
I expect this in people, but sadly most of them are jellyfish.
@@OriginalPuro this is called independent journalism.
Cough Cough Intel Cough Cough
Hey guys. Look at Linus’s wrist in the vid. Let’s get a F.
@@meekmeads He CONSTANTLY call out Intel on their bullshit man 😂
Hold on, it is crippled - any generic SSD will work, but not at high write speed unless you take extra steps to fool the camera into thinking it’s a red mag. Meaning the camera is intentionally crippled /not/ to work with other SSDs, otherwise who would pay for such a high price for a low cost SSD? So yeah that is scummy, especially since it’s just a regular SATA interface that’s just pin pass through. So jintech (sp?) is correct on that front.
@Daniel Lee Also someone is lying here. Linus claims that they didn't say the firmware doesn't contain extra bits, but the video he references clearly states that if you do a binary comparison the firmware is exactly the same, bit by bit. So either the video is lying and a binary comparison would in fact show a difference or Linus is lying about the firmware having something extra, even if it's useless extra. The way it writes to the card is probably from the camera, not from the SSD firmware, as that part wouldn't be the one creating a folder structure and all that.
@@thefelix7767 That's what he says later in the video. The camera is the one doing all the work, the drive is just a plain ol' mSATA drive formatted in FAT32.
@@thefelix7767 / Linus admits it's more of a DRM scheme. I think the write speed is intentionally crippled by the camera's firmware, if intended vendor infos(Red) are missing/mismatch
@@m4ki9h76 "Scheme" is a good word to describe this.
And i dont mean "a large-scale systematic plan or arrangement for attaining some particular object or putting a particular idea into effect.";
I mean "make plans, especially in a devious way or with intent to do something illegal or wrong."
@@Nalianna Here is the thing Ginni tech can totally legally build an algorithm designed to fool Red's check, its only a violation of copywriter if they used the original code or wrote something very close to the original. So red needs to provide more proof that Ginni tech actually violated their copywrite
Got, I'll keep all this in mind when I am looking to purchase a 50 thousand dollar camera.
i love his physical violence as an expression of hate towards items on his video. slapping an ssd, throwing it on the table...... so funny