The iRacing Community Owes Me an Apology
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- čas přidán 5. 10. 2021
- I bought iRacing as a teen because like many others I believed it to be the future of sim racing. Within about a year. it was very obvious that it was no better or worse than other racing sims on the market, and I started asking pretty basic questions about both what we paid for & the curiously "intense" fanbase surrounding it.
This resulted in large chunks of the sim racing community - including iRacing themselves - smearing me as a crazed hater out to destroy the company, and constantly having to deal with a "welcoming community" that was suspiciously hostile the moment someone recognized my name. I don't have fond memories of sim racing over the past decade, but rather this weird saga of nerds chasing after me while attempting to be a content creator and engage with the community.
Close to a decade later, I've been vindicated for my opinions on several major fronts, and statements or observations I made that people overreacted to, are now quite common. There has been no acknowledgement that maybe I was onto something.
There probably should be. - Hry
I’ll never forget hearing a grown man get mad about me for calling it a video game
The authentic sim racing experience
For real? Like how bad was that Brad? I've heard some stories but still it amazes me how people are so childish on the matter.
LOL
@@Americalovesme2008 What's funny is that, on the landing page of iracing, it literally says "Discover the Ultimate Online Racing Game" lmao
@@Americalovesme2008 I got one.
I said the srx late models being really good and maybe even similar to iracing.
Some dude got triggered and harassed me on my Twitter and called me a pedophile.
nobody would defend iracing so hard if it was another regular game on steam like any other sim. what gives people the illusion that iracing is any better is the amount of money they have to spend regularly to play it, nothing less, nothing more.
Exactly, basically defending it to cover their own asses after paying out the ass for it
And most importantly the amount of money they have already spent.
iRacing's physics has gone through periods of just being flat-out bad, barely even drivable, yet all the time the company and its fanboys continued to insist it was head and shoulders better than anything else on the market. Why would I ever believe them that this time it's finally good?
Yeah, and dont forget that the human brain has the tendency to "defend" what youre paying.
I remember being extremely disappointed when I bought the game because it felt so shitty so I went looking for advice and I was convinced that my wheel wasn't good. Then I bought a better wheel and I finally realize people are either so full of shit, or they never been on a real race car, or both.
I can't stand when whole communities and developers act like this. The lack of sympathy, the ruthlessness of people disgusts me. Glad to see that real drivers have said the same things you said to give iRacing's psychotic developers an ego check. This is why I'll never buy iRacing until there is total change in how they treat people.
I'm happy to see this conspiracy come full circle. The way you were excommunicated from the entire sim racing community was petty bullshit. I'm glad you made this video. I miss PRC.
What's frustrating is that it could have come full circle within a matter of... weeks, really.
The email from iRacing was originally sent to RD site owner Bram Henegeveld, hence why I'm referred to in third person. Hindsight is 20/20, but Bram probably should have put them on blast as a feature article and been like "what the fuck is this bullshit?" Would have been over and done with in a couple days and iRacing would have learned not to pull that shit again from the brief PR nightmare. Instead we basically sat on it and allowed iRacing to continue bullying content creators (and pro drivers) for the better part of a decade. It's not my story to tell but they went after the late Will Marsh as well for even pettier reasons, but Will wasn't one for conflict so he opted to keep it quiet.
We were also contacted, quite early after my review went live, by a guy named Xavier Maassen. This guy drove the Mad Croc Corvette GT1 car and basically said "fantastic review, that Austin guy nailed what's wrong with the tires, I can't fucking drive the new McLaren they released." In hindsight, we should have done a follow up piece interviewing him about the differences between iRacing ad real life. We just weren't sharp enough to think of that. So all of Josef Newgarden's comments from 2020 that were considered to be so eye-opening and gave iRacing a major kick in the ass, we could have published as far back as 2013 as a feature article on RD from an FIA GT1 driver.
Anything calling itself a 'community' is automatically cancer.
The gator in Far Cry 6 has better physics than iRacing.
Lies
Faxxxxx
I had the opportunity to go into ESports on RF2 but decided not to after discovering the loads of setup exploits and it becoming Guitar Hero on a Steering Wheel. Every Sim is imperfect in their own way and the devs are so stuck in their own ways that they can't get their head out of their own ass
Hello! I was the Victim of Deryl Morley and was his step daughter not niece. Thank you for covering the creepy side of IRacing or the racing community in general. In my 6 years of abuse with Deryl I was subjected to a lot of messed up stuff that people don't talk about in the racing community. You would be surprise how much CP gets passed around or was passed around through the IRacing and Racing community. Not sure if that is still and ongoing issue but back in the 2000's it was prevalent.
Thanks for staying strong in the face of adversity. What happened to you was wrong and it's disappointing to see more and more stories pop up over the years in what's supposed to be a fun, lighthearted hobby.
11:27 Daryl Morley holding both class A and B in one license. goated iRacer
Been fallowing ur channel for a few years...also an iRacer/GTSport/AC etc... At this point iRacing is actually a profitable company for a change (at least the last 5 years) they're not the underdog anymore so I think they can probably afford to chill and likely would even benefit going forward.
yeah i notice that they no more spam my email with plz comeback to iR 5usd promo!
"Following " ffs
I really miss the PRC blog. Thankyou for holding gamedevs to account over the years.
Bow down to the genius schzio, we all owe our king an apology. sorry master
Beautiful video. I've been missing the video where you went through the entire bullshit Code of Conduct for iRacing, nice to see that pop up again.
As a fellow iracing member i do not owe you an apoligy. Because i never argued with you lol. But what i can do is if you evr get back on the sim you can come race with me and my league who dont care if you speak your mind about the sim. It has its good and bad.
And if I ever meet you I'll buy you a beer for being a great guy. You know, well said brother. Good vibe shit that is, oooh yeah! Contagious that stuff cheers m8. 😎
1:34 You really gotta hit me with nostalgia like that man? 🤣
God i miss the OG BF2 days
What I find really interesting is that you made - many years ago - and continue to make valid criticisms of iRacing that have been echoed by many of the Pro Indy car and sports car drivers were making when they hopped on iRacing during the COVID lockdown in 2020. Yet you basically got Deleted off of iRacing for it. Myself and most of the HPDE drivers and IRL racing instructors I know also share similar misgivings of the "Peaky" nature of the tire model, too.
Sorry that you had to deal with all of this. I'm glad you're still finding ways to enjoy Sim Racing in spite of all of it.
Daily reminder that nobody's immune to Marketing, unfortunately.
Austin, you are one of the most level headed guys out there and always unbiased, but says it how it is. I remember all of the Josh Martin stuff from a few years back. You were spot on. Unfortunately, just like iRacing, he still exists.
HAHAHAHAHAHA "level headed". "Unbiased."
Austin, you are ahead of your time! You are a Lion in a world full of Sheep. Individuality is something we see so rarely today; in fact, it is a lot more common to see people joining the crowd rather than going against the grain and being different.
I have always loved your work and critical differing points of view, since from way back in the PRC days. Keep it up. It has a place in this community.
If you don’t fit in, you’re probably doing something right. It has always been stated that "a prophet is never accepted in his hometown". Lastly , you can't save everyone, "some people may not welcome you or listen to your words. If they don’t, keep it moving, and shake the dust off your feet."
Holy fucking shit that was one of the most cringey things I've ever read in my life.
@BenOnWheels LOL! Don't you love freedom!? I can have my point of view, and you can have yours.
“1. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the things they read (or watch, or listen to, or taste, or whatever). They’re also entitled to express them online.
2. Sometimes those opinions will be ones you don’t like.
3. Sometimes those opinions won’t be very nice.
4. The people expressing those may be (but are not always) jerks.
5. However, if your solution to this “problem” is to vex, annoy, threaten or harrass them, you are almost certainly a bigger jerk.
6. You are not responsible for anyone else’s actions or karma, but you are responsible for your own.
7. So leave them alone and go about your own life."
― John Scalzi
I know it is of little solace, but if it wasn't for PRC cutting through the thick grass? I highly doubt I would've avoided the pitfalls of the hobby/community and I don't think I would've enjoyed it or stuck around. And I'm just a casual in every sense. You definitely should've just been able to enjoy yourself rather than writing essays but it all helped some of us out there. And it was always entertaining too of course.
So I decided to see how much it cost for the gen 7 and all 2022 nascar tracks.
How much does it cost?
Over 300 dollars.
So yeah imma stick with srx and nascar 21.
Guess, you never played a real Flight sim!! same thing expensive as hell!! lol
@@BG-bz5jy this is probably the only point against my criticism that works.
But then again that's a issue not just in iracint but in that community too
@@BG-bz5jy well that 300 would get you only 1 plane lmao 🤣
I gotta love how fan boys defend the game over a single review happened to me
as someone who's just getting into sim racing (my first wheel should be arriving in a few weeks) its good to know. I will no be trying iracing, I was open to trying in tho the amount of money required is insane but after this video, i just dont want to deal with this kind of cult like community
Is this a re-upload? Is he putting all his vids back up!? FK YES! Also, yes they do owe you an apology.
That BF2 loading music just sent me back to 2007 in an instant
It's incredibly frustrating to see someone like you who's had lot's of experience in the industry and been around for almost longer than I've been alive be silenced by the community at large. Then to see your bulls-eye analysis of MSG be met with much the same, it makes me question making racing videos. I've been binging your videos tonight if you haven't figured out yet lol, they're good watches and make me want to start my own racing physics engine - but I'd have to stick CFD wind calculations in there to get aerodynamics to the stage I want, which would melt everyone's computers.
Thats another interesting topi Austin.
About the cheating: The game Valorant already said that they are going to use the TPM module on Win11 to stop cheating. I didnt see any of this coming from iRacing.
long-term follower of you, it's hard to stay sane when the most are against you. feel you brother. stay strong.
Also, I want to mention a guy just today got mad that I brought up srx the game being a decent almost on par with iracings late model on some random fb post and this random guy dropped an r slur on me and then went on my Twitter to continue the name calling and then accusing me of being a pedophile.
I forgot his name but I'd be on the lookout cause he seems insane
Richard curry
lol srx cmon
Pretty sure he is gonna try to get me fired from my job lmao he was so angry
Update, after calling him out I blocked him but I kinda want to unblock him just to see if he wants to debate some more lmao
That was my #1 complaint, can't catch a slide basically, no sliding aloud or almost none. Luckily I settled in on Assetto Corsa after trying all the Sims and only spending about $75 on iracing. I have a friend that spent close to $1k on all iracing content since in his opinion its the best and I might have done the same if I thought it was. I could not care less if an iracing fan doesn't think Assetto is the best but if I spent $1k on it, I might be offended. It's great that we have such high quality sims to choose from.
I felt the same way about slides and such but after I got my Accuforce V2 it was a completely different experience. I just put that down to sim commander being a great piece of software though. Catching slides is trivial now and usually I can avoid them all together now. I do think it’s a little ridiculous that it takes having a wheel of that caliber to be able to feel the car when other sims can do it with the most basic entry level wheels. if they would quit attacking constructive criticism and focus that energy on improving the sim and getting rid of clowns that constantly wreck everyone then it could be a much better service.
Left simracing in general 2 years ago, never understood the hype for iRacing and it was the sim i used the most for online racing. You are just renting the cars you actually by. And you can't use it offline without a subscription. I think with the cars and tracks and subscription over 4 years period I spent at least 2000$ Now I just play fps games on my Xbox series x but with ACC getting update next year and the new Forza motorsport coming my fingers are starting to itch.. Non the less nice video!
If anything, stick with nr2003 if you get nostalgic over iracing since iracing is only a slight improvement over nr2003
dude... I called someone a Goblin on iRacing and then the next morning I got banned for life for my comment being "homophobic slur". iRacing is fucked... lol
I exposed the iRating system and how messed up it was and got shamed for it.
That battlefield 2 music brings back the feels!!!! I’d give up all my sim gear for a real Bf2 remake
With how big Halo MCC got, it's weird Dice didn't just remake the best maps from 1942 + expansions, Vietnam, 2, 3, & 4 and call it something like "Battlefield Legacy."
the aim racing community is one of the most toxic I've ever come across,grown men act like children,stalk u and attack you personally.
Same thing happened to me on rf2,but to a way lesser extent,but I've been vindicated because they have been all saying for the past year,what I got lambasted for and banned off the forum for.im glad I no longer have a pc,and just stick to real car shinanigans
It's sad to see so many bad people on iracing who paint this bad picture when there are actually some quite great and good people who play on this sim racing platform.
Thanks mate! 😇😜😁😎🇦🇺🏁
It’s called. Bully by proxy. IF that was happening then iRacing should take ownership of it.
I really love iRacing but it's definitely had its ups and downs through development. I remember the slow corner ice racing prior to 2013, and the NTM uncatchable slip (2014) etc. I've never been heavily involved in the 'community' though, sounds like it's probably for the best.
What game is the music at 1:33 from? I recognize it from back in the day but can't place it, it's driving me nuts.
Battlefield 2 I think
While I absolutely love iRacing, the company and community as a whole, is full of people that act like children. The "patches" are always geared toward the cup series and road racing. The competitive scene is a complete joke as well.
I’m a guy who plays Iracing and enjoys it. But I can totally agree it’s probably one of the most toxic Community’s out there.
I'd like to point out it's only a minority of the community who acts in a toxic and creepy manner. But you're right saying the rest of them should stand up and take action to do some cleaning amongst themselves.
No chance that will ever happen tho, given the way iRacing itself handles criticism...
And even if they did handle it better, such a community, like Star Citizen's, will always feel the need to defend the choice they make to pay so much money for the game they're playing.
By any means necessary, the most common one being dismissing every critic, and the person who speaks about.
It is absolutely not a minority, it one of the worst communities ive ever been in.
(Best I've been a part of was the hunter from 2010 to 2016 before it was put on steam)
This weekend's spa race top split must warm the cockles of your heart. 🤣😂🤣
What racing games would you personally recommend?
I was thinking of getting this game, but now after seeing this and how they're willing to treat people who criticize this game, I want no part of it. I'll try Le Mans Ultimate instead, or the Tony Stewart games.
This is why I stick with rFactor 1 for Dirt Oval. Btw still working on rFactor 2 for same type of racing, and making sure it has good AI, too!
Iracing fanboys are the absolute worst, and I'm convinced none of them have ever driven any real life car to the limit in their entire lives.
I really feel bad for you man
I haven't been into sim racing for long, 2 years roughly. I started with AC, RF2, and ACC, and after enjoying it so much I finally went to iracing. It took me a while because the cost of iracing was a turn off for me. As soon as I started playing I was enjoying racing other people around my skill level (most of the time) but the cars didn't feel great and I started to hear pro drivers like Niki Thiim call out what I was feeling, and I found your channel, then other pros started calling out the game. I still find it so odd that instead of trying to work with WEC world champions, Indy car champions and so many other pros on making your game better, they try to silence them and do nothing... I want the sim to get better but when you don't listen to feedback, and when people are afraid to give the feedback how is that going to happen. Anyway, I'm glad things have come full circle.
Wow I'm 4 m in and you were right, the main problem the game has is the slip angle curve like the Indy driver said. They made changes from car to car very recently that suggest that they finally took your gripes to heart and implemented the change. Although one can easily point to tire model changes in ACC as a motivation for that change as well aside from ARCA drivers contributing directly to their own tire model in game. The irony is that you are one of the games biggest fans for wanted them to fix a crucial part of the game. I think having a physical model tire is a challenge for them but with Mercedes coming in to develop their cars they should really try to access their intellectual property in that exchange, I bet Mercedes' proprietary tire sim has way more money going into it than iRacing can dream of, even though Lewis doesn't use it
Iracing is a joke at this point. 15 years later their tire model is garbage. Their braking model is garbage. The sound design is garbage. Their graphics are garbage. Their optimizations are garbage. The one and only thing they have are the number of active players at a given time.
The amount of money they charge and if we’re honest how bad the game really is on every level, there are no excuses and they deserve every piece of honest reviews they get. Inferior products at tomorrow’s prices.
Maybe they should replace Dave Kaemmer and have Someone actually good at math the calculate these physics. Been almost 2 decades is a damn joke
It survived on great marketing, and a perfect storm of NASCAR fans not having a place to race because during the Xbox 360 era when iRacing first launched, the NASCAR games weren't very good. That's it.
i already didn't like iracing because of their business practices but holy shit i didn't know they were this bad
Thought you could sneak the battlefield 2 menu music in there without anyone noticing... welcome to duty.
Edit - I heard one former NASCAR Coca-Cola Series driver was using 3rd party apps on his tires for grip, can't remember who it was though. I think it could've been Brad Wright.
Probably the most terrifying thing about sim racing cheating, if done “properly”, it is nearly impossible to detect.
P.S. Love the Battlefield 2 theme song. Brings me back
Yessss, imho its the best in the series
The people I'm told to never engage with often have the most interesting things to say.
I agree with all of this, iRacing has many flaws and the community around it is beyond toxic. I remember a year or two ago I asked a question about NTG 2011 on the NASCAR games Reddit and every single response ignored my question and instead said “lol that game sucks iracing is better” “you need to get iRacing that game isn’t good”. I’ve been in multiple races where I’ve been wrecked, intentionally or not, and I’ve been yelled at for it. It’s not at all fun. The people who make this game are very much so a huge part of the problem but I don’t care how good or bad iRacing is, I will never play it because of the player base.
What’s the best sim racing game for VR?
IRacing.
ams 2
I dig your insights and gives the hobby some much needed humility. I have to say when the pandemic hit I was watching tons of sim racing from the pro drivers to tide me over until the real events began and really enjoyed them. After that I haven't watched anything. Why would I just watch other dudes play video games when I could do it myself?
I’ve been sim racing 10+yrs…. I’ve been Class A in every license with high IR. I’ve purchased almost all content on Iracing and I can say with 100% conviction the platform as a product is absolute TRASH! lol….. Most people aren’t smart enough to see the platform is designed to control & trap its user base. Unfortunately for most they lack the ability to differentiate themselves from the platform, they take on its identity because they never had their own to begin with. They feel like they’re apart of something because they were never apart of something to begin with. They’re simply trying to CONNECT because they were disconnected. It’s actually incredibly 😢
For a long time I've realized that the main problem with iRacing community is the sunk cost fallacy. Due to the hundreds or even thousands of dollars spent in the game, long time players are pressured to justify their investment, going against anyone who doesn't support the game. This is why subscription-based games are a social nightmare and unfortunately its becoming the norm. NR2003 all the way.
The sim has recently worked with a lot of IndyCar drivers to iron out the tire model after many complaints. I know Tony Kannan did a ton of work with them to help. And he even said it's a lot closer to realistic than it was when they did the pro invitational series. iRacing has invested a lot more into making things feel better with cars now, especially with the fact that they're no longer barely breaking even. They're slowly but surely making each car better and each tire model better as well. It still has lots of glaring issues, but as someone who's raced a super late model irl, it the work they have done to improve it recently makes it feel a lot better. Still not super realistic, but certainly a fuck ton better
Who cares, his main issue involves being depersoned by the community because the majority of the community can’t handle criticism.
It’s like politics, everyone picks their team and their team does nothing wrong.
That doesn’t fix the problems at hand.
I know I’ll never pay for it after they treated people like Austin the way they did.
Oh shit the MW2 lobby to Jason jacoby! Wow!
They knw about all the issues they have to literally put it in their terms of service to prevent hate.
where’s your original video
-IRacing is mostly great, but they need more servers to fix the latency issues. And the tire model needs severe fixing. Connection issues weren’t as terrible until the service got a higher population.
-Also, road cars don’t spin like that anymore. If you’re spinning like that, you are over driving it or using the wrong settings for your wheel and pedal configuration.
-I think IRacing is by far the best sim racer on the market, but it can be quite frustrating at times. I’m still pissed with how they fucked up the Street Stocks. The damage model is fine now, but they are way too “floaty” and about two tenths off the pace from a year ago.
-They are way too draconian with their penalty system. (The protest system). I’ve been suspended for pretty stupid things and I’m in the situation where any small infraction will get me suspended again. I have to lay over for people now for fear of accidentally wrecking someone and getting protested for “intentional wrecking” with it getting upheld.
-IRacing isn’t a “NASCAR game”, which many people fail to recognize.
-it is is expensive, but in all honesty, you’re spending less on IRacing than you do on gas money in real life.
-I’ve heard many pro series drivers complaining about the setups and racing package. It doesn’t help that NASCAR’s 550 HP package exists either.
-Most people I’ve encountered on the sim are nice and respectable, but in the NIS series, people take that shit way too seriously. Malik Ray told me to delete my account and “never race again,” now he has no VC. Shit doesn’t offend me, but every NIS race I enter, I get massively targeted.
-Jason Jacoby is in jail. I made a video about him about five months ago and got a confirmation comment that he had been arrested. I raced the guy once and wanted to wreck him so bad since he was right in front of me all race.
Who is Jason Jacoby and what did they do?
@@paulanthonynelson2733 Look him up. There are many videos about him
@@NASCAR_Junk ah yes i did and read the domestic violence and recognised him as the nutter in Austin's video ranting at Michael Main, who iirc sold computers and sim gear. Yeah well I am sorry to see the large number of arseholes that reside in North American clubs and really wonder why its not something we see from ANY other region. Ive covered defended the US membership when posters from Spain ridiculed the US about the vegas shooting saying, quote "move to the US or shutup", and for THAT I was banned from the forum. Im done, that membership can clean up its own trash. Greetings from Australias winningest iRacer (Road) . In 8000 starts 7k on road, 1200 road wins, i love the friendly types I met from N.A, and the ontrack was fine from them imo, but without a doubt the off track crazy is purely NA problem.
Spainish drivers are crazy in the game, but sorry Its facts, North America is where this out-of-sim spasticness occurs.
The problem with I racing is that it's just a game! How many successful drivers have crossed over from sim to real cars? I use to run dirt track and when I run a sim it's hard for me to drive because I can't feel the car in my azz lol I mean I can't get the same feeling so it's difficult for me. Anyway one love jmo have fun and do you. Kyle busch is the 🐐
Not many used sim racing to crossover.
Drivers that used sims such as nr2003 already were real world drivers or were in racing families. The denny Hamlins, brad keselowski, Josh berry's, so on so forth just played around on nr2003 and never used as a 1 to 1 recreation.
If I'm correct you are the same way with your racing background too.
That was something Jason jacoby messed up with
The only successful crossover, is Jann Mardenborough, that's it, that's the list.
I mean it's ok just really wish there were more cameras other then cockpit view. and wish they would make iracing for ps5 with no subscriptions make the game free to play after they buy it
To be honest I would do It but It isn't rentable to their
I keep thinking that professional eSports events should have fixed setups, period. People get insanely mad at me when I said that, but the reason I enjoy competitive Gran Turismo more than all of these serious "sims", is all due to the fact that everyone is put in the same condition, the best DRIVER wins, and most of the time, it is. People forget a simple thing: sims are still softwares, and softwares can be hacked. If somebody studies 16 hours per day a way to tweak the car, they will, eventually succeed to find an exploit, and this is not fun.
Maybe not fixed setups but like restrict how much you can change certain things, just enough to prevent exploits but let people set it up closer to what they want
I heard the words "schizo bullshit" and immediately liked the video
and these guys are now in charge of making the new flagship nascar game.
Same happened to me. It's not so much the sim I don't like but the community. Most of them are a bunch of cry babies. The tyre model in iRacing is definitely porked, though, and the fact they have to keep revising it proves this. The corporate bulling is definitely a thing as well. And then came lockdown, real racing drivers had their say and iRacing got slaughtered. iRacing is a laughingstock now.
I'd never play iracing. For one I don't like online always subscription based games you never can own. Also no way I'd want my real name in an online game.
Hello from Australias winningest Iracer, even though I havnt raced since 2018. Ha! I dont give a frig who knows my name, but if I lived stateside I would feel like you do about that given the disturbing issues that seriously only comes out of the communities within that membership. Its mentally disturbed shit.
Had this video pop into my mind after Spa 24 imagining you feeling pretty vindicated over all the tire dipping...
Between i racing and motorsports games, we’re about to have a serious drought of racing games in the coming years. Thank god for codemasters. For now.
I never brought iRacing because it was a subscription and I am not going to be subbed to something I am rarely going to use.
iRacing community is a cesspool of fanboys
Same can be said about the Need For Speed community, honestly.
@@TheHighRoad1748 The NFS community is much larger and quite stupid at times, but they aren't a fraction as malicious and copey seethey as the iRacing community. If you make a video criticizing even the most beloved NFS game, you aren't going to deal with anything aside from maybe 1-3 comments calling you a moron. They're completely harmless.
@@Halagini I beg to differ. I encountered someone in the NFS community that mocked me for saying the BMW M3 from Most Wanted was extremely overrated. He then told his buddies what I said, which led to several dumb kids spamming my DMs with hate. And even raiding my Discord server at one point.
So, no. They're not 100% harmless.
this is what drove me away from iracing
I guess i found a niche subcommunity in iRacing because I've never been aware of all this. Kinda insane
Glad I never had to deal with those days of iracing. Joined 2 years ago but barely played until last year. Then I picked it up randomly again and basically fell in love with it. See I don’t care as much about the physics as I do just having a close and clean race. Which is something I personally get much more frequently in iracing than I do literally any other sim. That’s what I’m willing to pay for. Not dealing with 8 year olds on a controller role playing every one of sennas wrecks. I’ll never be a rampant fanboy of anything because I refuse to not be logical, but iracing gets my fewest complaints overall. Sorry people are subhuman filth and treated you that way. Sounds like all of your complaints about the game were valid.
I think Nascar Sim racing would be alot Further a long If A hand full of Greedy people Left it alone when 2002 was Open source. There was alot of people working on the game and now it's down to a small group. They got the money to put Iracing on 7-10 Chill Bowl race cars and Nascar trucks when that money should be scanning tracks and Hiring People to work on the Game!
U dont even know the half of it, i simply was trying to explain the grip flick exploit to help someone be faster at New Hampshire using ur video... and oh god did i whip up a hornets nest
There's clearly a big problem within iRacing devs and the fanaticism of iRacers. It's unhealthy for a person to be so behind a company he doesn't run/own/work at. At least with those examples a person has personal benefits so of ofcourse he/she is much more likely to be defensive about something. An iRacing user however is only a customer and to defend a product one buys so blindly is borderline cultist behavior.
Simracers in general as a community are assholes. There's some good people but overall the community is exhausting and negative.
I hope its not the majority, but yes, in my 7000 races (Road) with 1100 [Road] wins, and even in my 1000 Oval races, I had a blast, racing all day, all night, between 2011-2018. I was there to race offical races, not to make friends, and not to do test evaluations of tyre models, and not to focus on a weekly League race or two, which I still did a little of anway.
I Won two Indy500s...in my splt but a split is a split...I drunk milk afterwards so believe me, I won that race. Twice. LOL. I got what I wanted out of the relationship, while not caring too much about the fact that the racecraft and sportsmanship of so many members was just plain non-existant.
The community is a few guys contributing, a bunch like me trying to haha. Sadly also there exist in some clubs, but interestingly NOT in Club Australia, of which I was 10- times Club Champion, consecutively, a bunch adding no value due to being so slow, or dangerous, or League-fixated , or physics-obsessed. I did 51 GT3 races in Watkins Glen week, each race was 45minutes, which is 15mins short of what I wanted, but understandable because people have lives and also they're soft and unfit simple as that really. So yes, Im quite mad, but I am not a prick, and I took my sportsmanship very fucking seriously and no one ever had reason to pissed after I raced them. I was taken out alot but you learn only a quarter or less can race closely because they are not racers or even racefans, but gamers. I may be crazy, but at least the crazies left me alone, perhaps suspecting I would out-crazy their crazy if they got their crazy too close to my crazy bro. 😛🚩🙃🏁🇦🇺😁
I raced Will Power many times in some weeks, and he complimented me once, apologised once after 40mins of awesome preasure saw him drop it at the top of Eau Rouge with me unable to avoid his spin and taking us both out. I got my monies worth, yes the physics sucked at times, but it sucked for all of us, and that didnt stop me ane my G27 on a desk with a simgle screen winning 1100 times. Hell, I even won 100 Oval races, mostly fixed, so it must be so bad all the actually skilled simracers were away that day. 😎🏁🇦🇺
Kind regards mate,
Race, eat, race sleep repeat!
Gday from Australias winningest iRacer, yes sir.
Lol. Cheers,
Nelly
I raced against Rick Crawford once in the iRacing trucks, that tells u all u need to know about iRacing...
Whos that?
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An ex-Truck Series driver who got busted having predatory online conversations with whom he thought was a 12 year old girl, and it was a police sting.
Hey there. Iracing member for a little over a year now and just found out about you. Never knew about any of this. Personally I just enjoy the wheel to wheel experience of the sim, and was aware of the tire models faults. These new insights into the community as a whole from someone more experienced has me kind of shocked I won’t lie. Great vid!
I havent openly spoken about this but I say the same thing about Gt sport its alright but sometimes even on wheel the car still cannot handle even normal tracks or even offline its feel likes the fun of getting the car the be yours and handle like yours isn't the same as other games and even sim games are getting like that., but I fear that people might kill me in an french style chop.
GTR 2 is the most fun i have ever had on a sim ever, literally and the online scene is like the exact opposite of the iRacing community. GTR 2 is way better than iRacing
For the most part, anyone who is overly protective of iracing is a clear and present victim of the sunken cost fallacy. They can’t comprehend criticism because they spent thousands on a game that has obvious issues that touts itself as the “Magnum opus” of simulators. I mean, if it costs hundreds to buy the content to race in a single series, then it has to be good. Right? RIGHT?!
You know where the red flag went up for me …
I started to notice , every week or new season they’d put up tracks nobody bought
They’d switch out cars ya just bought 5 months ago for a new one , looks just the same but you gotta rebuy it now to run that race or series.
I started to see how GREEDY that service truly was.
I knew there gay lil fan base was creepy af and had NO clue folks about what it takes to drive real race cars.
So yeah I’m glad I left it.
You can buy a game 60 bucks or cheaper and own it and play it
ACC and others .
This is why I race Project Cars 2.
yeah PC2 is great. unfortunately for my rig, NASCAR and INDYCAR are undrivable.
Haven’t driven it in a while (maybe 3 years ago) but it was ridiculous. None of my real world car control translated and I had to drive much more conservatively than IRL. Haven’t bothered with iRacing since.
For me, I got tired of the bullshit in the official races and not being able to find a league where I could have the time to drive. I haven't actively run a race in over a year and now just concentrate on painting the cars.
I run once a week in C open, it’s made iRacing fun again
I completely agree with this I've run iracing for a while and I've run a midget in real life I gotta say its nothing like ingame and what I've heard from others' sprints and other dirt doesn't really feel like real life.
Your channel should be much bigger, but pleebs are pleebs, simps man. When you enjoy something, you can't criticize it. It's a funny thing that is the norm now, you can't find the bad in anything. Can't question, can't form your own opinion if it blurs outside the lines. Makes no sense, keep up the good work.
Edit:I live right next to Milford, NH lol and I didn't even hear about this!
Ok so basically I got iRacing. And all these things this guy is saying is true. Legit the road things are like ice. You hit a pebble, you become a fucking top. It’s stupid as fuck.
In the words of the Great Michael Scott-
“How do you tell somebody that you care about deeply, "I told you so." Gently with a rose? In a funny way, like it's a hilarious joke? Or do you just let it go, because saying it would just make things worse? ... Probably the funny way.
Strong disagree. I've yet to play any other sim that gives me the same online experience as iRacing. However, I will say that the issues you highlight are probably there, just not what I would call unplayable or not worth trying.
I would say though, that I do see pretty consistent updates on their physics and gameplay. I do wish they'd come a bit sooner though. You're welcome to your opinion ^_^
I will agree with one thing. You definitely sound vindictive, and you should be. You got bullied out of the community for no reason other than a few creepy tribals wanted to protect their "uberimmersive sim" when it was anything but. I got into iRacing when it first came to the open public in 08/09, and I remember the road course cars being almost impossible to drive on most circuits because the tires hadno grip whatsoever. In the upper oval lienses, Charlotte might as well have been an ince rink. You'd go into the corner in the B-class Cup car and immediately spin.
I remember this; I joined at the tail end of the OTM experiment. The K&N Series car was the last oval car on the old tire. We went to charlotte, took the green flag, literally half the field spun out when they rolled on the throttle. It was BIZARRE and nobody seemed to question it.
I just recently quit iRacing and I'm glad I did.
Thanks for the warning.
I honestly agree with all of this even though I never played iRacing. I do want to get into iRacing but the only problem is... It's pay to play and I mean don't get me wrong but I like iRacing but all those reasons I agree that the iRacing community should owe you an apology on. Not to mention I played NASCAR Heat 5's Public Lobbies on the PS4 so I know how that feels. Hope the iRacing community gives you the apology you need.
I think that iRacing could become less of a "simcade" game and more into a simulator if they prioritized fixing the massive issues that have been plaguing iRacing for a while. Let's face it, nobody except for a few road racing nuts care if a new GT4 car or some track in a foreign country gets announced. The only way fundamental issues even get looked at is when it happens in a pro series race or there's enough bitching about it on the forums to warrant attention. A prime example of this is the brake dragging fiasco that was prevalent in the top tier of road racing and the recent grass dipping scandal that happened in the top split 24h race. It got to the point where I was receiving fake emails claiming that I got banned on iRacing for bad forum behavior. The iRacing community is not a very welcome one outside of some leagues. It ends up being very elitist with anyone who doesn't have a high iRating relegated to being trash.
The community is fucked, the game is fucked, and iRacing's priorities are fucked. I know iRacing can be a really great game at times, but the few memorable moments get outweighed by the massive amounts of irritation and frustration caused by iRacing's neglect of core problems.