Phoenix Raceway Is Frustrating…
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- The Phoenix Raceway is frustrating. Every year we go to this track twice, one of which being the championship race. There are some long term reasons that fans are upset about Phoenix Raceway like the racing itself, but others have emerged in recent years that could put the track on the verge of greatness had they changed just a few things. So why is Phoenix so frustrating?
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What are your opinions on the Phoenix Raceway?
I miss the old layout... *sniff*
I don’t think It should Host 2 NASCAR Cup Races and I definitely don’t think It should Host The Championship Race for The NASCAR Cup Series Either Despite The Amazing Amenities The Track. 😁
Boring
Or are they mad because Toyota dominated?
It sucks
Phoenix isn’t a horrible track, but it’s not worthy of 2 races, let alone the Season Finale. The best part about Phoenix is the tunnel the teams drive under to leave the track.
Phoenix sucks
It’s a great track for early spring and fall weather, and has good attendance. Swap it with any round of 8 track for me
If the racing was better I think some fans would say maybe it’s worthy of hosting the finale.
I heard it from the grapevine that this season finally race at Phoenix will be the last one and move it possibly back to homestead-miami 2025.
Yeah its produced mediocre racing ever since the next gen era
We. Need. Horsepower.
Can’t stress this enough it’s usually never the track thats the problem. Plus 5 gears meta is kinda stupid
This version of Phoenix has been bad since 2015. Power could fix it but you'd need to go back to the 2012-2014 period of 850-900hp. The Xfinity/Nationwide cars put on either wreckfests or snoozers every year after the mid-2011 redo.
Make the track super flat again and ditch the dogleg cut. Make the tires wear out or so hard that the give no grip at all. Bam, problems fixed
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The field would lack parody with more HP
Phoenix isn’t worthy of being the season finale. The drivers were even displeased with the short track package. Yet NASCAR doesn’t listen. Bring the finale back to Homestead.
Bring back the old car this car is pathetic...
@@jameszeigler9353it's NOT
@@jorydzz_fr8277 It is its a complete pos that produces shit racing...
@@jameszeigler9353this car is great at 1.5s (except Texas)
@jameszeigler9353 agreed, short tracks and road courses were the best NASCAR racing and they managed to find a way to ruin it!
Not to mention, with the start/finish line being where the backstreet used to be, it causes way too much chaos on starts/restarts. For example, the 2023 championship race for the truck series where it had 4 overtime attempts because of the chaos on the restarts
It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't reprofile what is now turns 3 & 4 and the dog leg, but because of how much space there is now, it's became a complete mess.
The only time I will hate Phoenix will be the championship race. It’s not right for it. Homestead is the perfect track for finale. Still can’t believe they put in second race for round of 8
Agreed. Not every race can be a barn burner, but as a championship race, needs to be homestead since ATL is no longer a slick fast track like it was in the 90s
Homestead to me always reminded me of the old Atlanta before it got the facelift in 1997. It looked very similar.
@@evanwilliams6406 100% agree
As a fan of Kyle Larson, you'd *think* I'd be defending Phoenix as the finale track. I mean, my driver WON his season capping 10th race of 2021 there! That win got him the championship!
No, I hate the track hosting the finale. I hated it when it was announced in 2019, we saw the '19 race, i bashed it then. we've had 4 years of this track hosting the finale, and while '23 was a good finale, it had SUCH a low bar to clear considering what came before it.
And that Larson win from '21? He had to get it on pit road. *and* had to have a short run get it for him. And that's BEFORE i bring up the shitty ass points system that NASCAR has everyone confined to. I don't mind a race coming down to the pitcrew, but the championship?! No. no. Send the finale back to Homestead. I want RACING, not up to date amenities.
Yesterday's race proved why Phoenix shouldn't permanently be the season finale. 1 race is enough, and give the finale back to Homestead.
Yeah, I thought they were going to do a rotating finale. It just makes sense given this championship format because drivers specialize in different tracks. Now, they're basically forcing every championship-contending driver to be good at Phoenix.
Homestead is just as boring@@frederickschulze8014
It's hard to blame NASCAR when everyone loved the first race or two with the Phoenix facelift. That's probably why they decided to make it the finale track. But it has gotten stale, I'm onboard with that.
Plus the fact Phoenix had a photo finish after the first face lift.
Outside of restrictor plate racing, NASCAR needs to increase the horsepower, set general rules/limitations for car setups and leave the teams to it. All these different race packages and micromanaging how the teams need to setup their cars for different tracks is killing the racing.
Modern Phoenix is a boring mickey mouse track with uninspiring flat turns. It needs a reconfiguration at this point
The track is due for a repave anyway.
It was better when it was literally flat in 2011 and before.l, like Martinsville but large enough to enable clean overtaking. Now it's in that icky in between area like Richmond where it's got just enough banking to be 'quick' but not enough to enable multiple lanes.
@@FallingPicturesProductions You have pretty much explained in detail why Phoenix is due for a repave.
I'm all for adding even more banking and turning it into a weird Dover Nazareth hybrid.
How appropriate The 20 & The 17 Finish 1-2 at the hands of The Christopher & Christopher Show Considering Yesterday was Matt Kenseth's Birthday And That His 39th And Final Career Win Came at Phoenix in 2017
We want the grass back
That kinda gets rid of the chaos of the restarts, which is the best part of Phoenix currently...
@@hehe-IgoBRRRRYep. Unless your car is extremely fast, the restarts are your best chance to gain spots.
I miss Chicagoland. This car is perfect for that track. We are missing out on something potentially great. Instead we have 2 Phoenix and 2 Richmond races 😢
Agreed, but they won't ever be back there, sucks...
@@Mike-jv4rz Maybe they'll go back to Chicagoland once the deal with the Chicago Street Course expires.
My fix for Phoenix is either repave the track the same way it was before 2012 by getting rid of the progressive banking that was added in the turns, making the dogleg flat again, and bringing back grass/artificial turf, or go all out and increase the banking in the turns to make it drive more like an intermediate while still making the dogleg the same as pre 2012 and bringing back grass/turf. One of the worst aspects about Phoenix now outside of the racing is the fact that its just an asphalt jungle now with no character, bringing some greenery back would be a massive step in the right direction.
The track is certainly due for a repave anyway.
Move the championship race back to Homestead
The reason why it was moved here because people said they wanted it moved.
Be careful what you wish for.
Phoenix is awful, it’s simply terrible, there has only been a handful of memorable races.
Phoenix isn’t a horrible track but it should only have 1 date and not the finale. Also I still think the package is more the issue rather than the track. It has potential to put on a good race
I didn't even think the race was that bad for Phoenix standards. It's put races on like this for years and is never going to change.
Phoenix’s 2018 reconfiguration visually makes the track look bare boring
Yep agreed. It’s a pavement slab in the middle of the desert lol
Nah. The track has always been bare boring since it first opened.
Quite honestly, Phoenix has been my favorite track for a while now. I’d had a league race in I racing in the NextGen cars a few years back, and I fell in love with the track. It’s tough, yeah. Hard to pass? Borderline impossible at times. But I love the way it drives and how entertaining the dogleg gets, allowing you basically to run the pit wall up and shoot inside of someone into 1, it’s always really interesting to see how drivers react to that option. I can’t lie, I had a guy that was a lot faster than me behind me for a full 2 pit cycles and I kept him behind me by basically parking it on the inside. Absolutely a downside to the racing, but I feel like it creates a bit more chaos in the field and thus making it entertaining. Do I think it should be the finale race? Absolutely not. I would love to see something like a Bristol or a Dover . I LOVE Homestead, don’t get me wrong, but I think it would be interesting to watch a championship race happen on a shorter track.
For a track that’s only a mile in length, we should not be having cars going like 10 wide. Maybe the racing would be a little better if they didn’t let them race all over the place at Phoenix and have more tight quarter racing. But beyond the spread out restarts and being a beautiful facility, there really isn’t much more to advertise about Phoenix. I don’t hate the track but Homestead just feels more natural as the season finale
Have to give them the horsepower back then.
@@soccerthrowback0664Toyota will never allow it. They’re the ones responsible for the low HP, high downforce packages because they bitched and moaned to NASCAR that they blew too many engines in 2014 rather than actually putting in the work to make reliable high HP V8 engines.
@@Trainlover1995 Yeah, I don’t think it’s due to that because Hamlin wouldn’t be complaining and bemoaning about the horsepower, especially being that he owns a Toyota team. I think it’s NASCAR who won’t budge on the more horsepower, which makes perfect sense, since they are trying to nab Honda as a fourth manufacturer. They said as much on Sirius XM Radio this morning.
Which makes no sense, Honda can make a very high horsepower engine.
I think that, while the renovaion project helped the off-track, it RUINED racing there, there has not been a great race ever since they did the changes on the track
Before the changes we had great racing, including a Atllanta 2024-like finsh
Phoenix has always been meh. The track is not the problem the car is.
When all the cars are nearly identical, passing becomes almost impossible. The last set of pitstops showed that.
The talking heads will always word statements very carefully as not to upset the decision makers.
The teams need to be allowed to build cars within a set of rules and not have a kit car with a crate motor. That is not racing. You need fast cars and slow cars.
I don't buy Sunday's race being a sellout, nearly every shot of the stands looked 15-20% empty.
I do believe that Phoenix area markets the race, however Memphis is usually the furthest west city when TV ratings are posted.
I agree with others, only let Phoenix have one race, especially if they are hosting the championship race. That should be the rule for any track.
NASCAR definitely has to make that dog leg, off-limits out of bounds make them race on the track that alone would bring a better race, but it is a flat track that’s driven almost like a road course and it always will be
One of the most frustrating elements of having Phoenix as the finale is that advantage of the last out stall. We saw it multiple times this weekend where Hamlin gained 3-4 spots in out road, not due to having a faster stop but simply from the pit stall. Makes it worse that NASCAR awards the first pit stall to the top qualifying car out of the champ 4 even if they don’t qualify first. That needs to change this year.
Phoenix was a good track in the past until the reconfiguration in 2018 also the current car doesn't help either
Nah. Phoenix has always been a meh track.
To me, Phoenix Raceway has always been a hit or miss track since it first opened.
It's my hometrack, so it's where I've seen almost every NASCAR race I've attended. I do wish the racing could improve. I do think the package is more of an issue than the track. Facility wise though its awesome. And obviously we got lots of NASCAR fans here that support racing here.
I believe the dogleg and reconfiguration ruined this track. Crazy restarts with 5 or 6 wide does not overall produce great racing. Phoenix is very dry 🌵 and should only have 1 date.
It's complete bs that you have the announcers saying that only 1 car is on the intended racing surface during one of the restarts. I seriously hate what they did to the track.
@@KanonDaioh Absolutely. If nobody is using the actual racing surface... isn't that a design flaw in the track? Should have left the grass in.
Phoenix is a terrible place for a championship and the old configuration is better and more horsepower
I enjoyed the old track layout. It worked fine for years for USAC, CART, IRL and NASCAR
My first race in person was at Phoenix, and it was amazing! Granted, not every race will be someone’s final career win, nor will every race end up on every compilation video of revenge moments, and that was hard to face the next time I went to a race in person.
I’ve been a fan over 20 some years, and NASCAR needs to listen to the fans. Without fans, there is no NASCAR. I have no issue with Phoenix or it holding the Championship Race. But, the Championship Race should just be that, it shouldn’t have two races during the season. I would also be for seeing the Championship Race being switched up each year.
Take a date each away from Phoenix and Richmond and give them to Chicagoland and Auto Club, or a new international track
A lot of older fans clammer to bring back the old, bottom feeder, Thunderdome Bristol
I think it's time we start the same movement for Phoenix before they added banking and paved all the (now former) out of bounds areas
I didn’t watch the race live, but I did fall asleep yesterday watching the RACE HIGHLIGHTS from the phoenix race.
It would seem to me that if you can spend 1/3+ of a lap off of the actual racing surface... that would be considered a design flaw in the track... but that's just me.
I've not been a fan of any of the configurations since they took the finish line off of what is now the backstretch. If nothing else they should have at least left the grass in. Such a downgrade off of Homestead for the finale.
Ngl I watch your channel more then I watch actual nascar keep it up brother
I think Nascar uses Phoenix for the last race because you are pretty much guaranteed good weather in November.
You know what, I'm gonna say something controversial:
Phoenix should have never been reconfigured in the first place. The original layout was already good, and it provided some decently good racing imo.
Also, I want you all to think about something, why was it after the reconfiguration and the renamed track deal that eventually fell through that the track started to be the Championship finally? It's as almost if they weren't getting their return on investment, so this was their way of doing that.
IDK, maybe I'm over thinking the whole thing.
Nah. Phoenix has always been a hit or miss track since it first opened.
The thing about phoenix is the track has potential, its a unique configuration and it can make for great racing if nascar made the correct changes to the car. The track itself for fans in terms of the venue is incredible. The infield gives you unprecedented access to the cars and drivers. If they could figure out how to get the racing to match the venue it would be great
Like Abu Dhabi in F1, it should not be the season finale of the NASCAR season.
the difference is that phoenixs placement matters much more than f1 where a champion can be decided and usually us decided earlier
So basically, Phoenix...is the new Homestead's...original configuration now. The only thing it has going for it is the dogleg...and it ends up not affecting the cars or handling or tires that much. With that said, while I wouldn't mind them going back to Homestead, I'd also like to see Las Vegas be the finale. Or maybe even Chicagoland via the Street Course raiasing awareness for it. Phoenix, frankly, only really works with one race per year.
Need to have a track they only race once per year at. Either drop Phoenix spring, move it altogether to, say Texas (after rebuilding it) or Homestead, or maybe send it to North Wilkesboro, the Rock, or even the Nashville Fairgrounds. The Texas rebuild option is only there IF the rebuild can provide decent racing without the PJ1 compound
The worst thing about the Phoenix rebuild is that they also ruined the track for IndyCar. Don't forget that between 1964 and 1987 only the USAC/CART series raced in Phoenix as a major racing series.
I miss the OG Phoenix and 2011 November-March 2018 Phoenix when the start finish line was at the frontstretch. It felt actually unique.
Current Phoenix is just for crazy silly restarts and crashes only. A far-cry to its uniqueness back in pre-November 2018 when it was built for Open Wheels only and some solid racing in NASCAR.
I’m glad to hear the racing was solid or good in Phoenix standards, but it’s unfortunate to see current Phoenix as a track on what it is.
I went this past weekend and the best thing about the track were the restrooms they were soooo clean. I'm not sure though about how to fix the race itself, I'm a new race fan and honestly had a ton of fun watching from the seats...I'm honestly not sure what they could do to the track to make it a better experience for those watching from home.
Honestly not much. If you’re ever interested you can find old Phoenix races on YT to compare them with this one. Honestly not too much different. Still pretty bland. Watching a race in person, even the most boring races is still a pretty fun time though
I think the current iteration of Phoenix is better than the original. However, I’d move the start finish back to its original sight and add more progressive banking
I agree with what most people are saying, the track isnt HORRIBLE, its just not worthy of the titles it has (2 races and the season finale) to me personally, the finale should either be back at homestead, in charlotte, or in Las Vegas, phoenix is not the place to hold the finale, the track itself is good but as you said, its the RACING that sucks
They should move the finale back Atlanta
Phoenix was genuinely my favorite track during the cot era. I can’t believe how much the racing has changed. Hopefully they can get this car right
i just wont take it seriously until they enforce the track limit again. cutting the track looks ridiculous and makes a joke out of the sport
Thanks for bringing up how Phoenix should be a total hit, those were some good points
The faster phoenix is not hosting championship weekend the better. A se sport finishing in Arizona
I think Phoenix is a decent choice for a round finisher, but not the season finisher. Make it the cutoff into the round of 4 with a short-track package that offers more power and ever so slightly less rear grip, and I think the racing could improve a bit. And as weird as it might be to say, bring back the apron rule at Phoenix and narrow the track a bit. It certainly has a possibility of being a decent track. But I don't think it's a season finisher track. Though as an old-school fan, I do love strategy races like Richmond and Phoenix.
Phoenix has always been a track I've wanted to visit, but the new layout has kind of lost me since maybe 2018. They should put some rumble strips around the turns similar to gateway so they're forced to run the banking all race long, I don't know if that would help, but having nearly 10 raceable lanes around the track, there is just so much opportunity to find a way to keep a faster car behind you if you know what I mean. And not to mention, this place could still have a spot in the championship conversation if NASCAR had a 3 race championship round.
Despite the amenities, the track configuration is just a 10 wide configuration, no real dogleg, no grass, pit road is far as hell away, no tunnel bridge over the track and just weird to be hosting the championship race!
The new car with the shifting killed all short tracks.
Actually, there hasn't been much shifting last night. Which at least gives me hope that this new short track package will work.
What they need to do is exactly what they did with Atlanta. Not make the track narrower, but increase the banking.
However increasing the banking will never happen on this track for logistical reasons. To increase the banking you can either A) add more banking onto the original surface, but you’d have to change all the outside walls, safer barriers, fences, and grandstands. The other option B) is digging out the infield, making it lower and making it like a bowl if you will. But if you do that, you’ll have to rebuild the infield, including the pit lane, garages, media center, most importantly the infield care center, and the tunnel under the track if there is one.
Vegas, charlotte, or Nashville needs to be the finale. Don’t know how nice any of those track facilities are, but those are the best cookie cutter tracks on the schedule. Not just for racing, but also driver skill and team strategy. All 3 tracks have other activities in the area to make a nice weekend trip out of as well.
What they did to Atlanta wont necessarily work here
Season finale, Vegas baby.
I was at the race and it was fantastic. Not every race is going to be Atlanta NASCAR fans have to quit being so fickle.
Funny how you mention Atlanta like people expect every race to be like that. No. They want the race to be good, that race wasnt. Plus its nascar fans get used to them being like this. Even the old school ones are
@@C4r0n1k When did this become the new normality for judging a NASCAR race? I don't buy any of that. Whenever I watch a NASCAR race, I don't care about how good or bad the race was. I only care about watching how the race unfolds, regardless of how good or bad the on track product is. Isn't that what NASCAR fans cared about back in the 90s and 2000s? Not this crazy, "It was a good race. I really enjoyed it," or "This race was awful" argument. Wouldn't a lot of the greatest all time classic NASCAR races be considered bad races if NASCAR fans back then followed the current judgement of how NASCAR fans view a NASCAR race? If we're going to judge this race as a bad race, which it was, then we might as well call the last Las Vegas race, an actual legitimate good race, a bad race as well. Why? Because it was the exact same race.
The last time Phoenix* was entertaining was when Rowdy Burns decided he was gonna pull the chain of some rookie named Cole Trickle.
At least it was the birthplace of the greatest line in motorsport history.
"No,no - he didn’t slam ya, he didn’t bump ya, he didn’t nudge ya - he rubbed ya. And rubbin' Son, is racing."
*storyline Phoenix lol
Also with this next gen car. I really wish nascar would do multiple configurations of the car. Have a short track/flat track config., an intermediate config., and a SS configuration. You want this to be the best car in nascar. That is how.
Two things.
I love Phoenix but I don't think it should get two dates. I like how it races but so many people don't, but completely removing it wouldn't be a good fix.
The finale track should only have one date. If we're going with a winner take all finale then we should not have any exposure to the track earlier in the season, and the drivers and teams should be going into practice blind. I don't like the idea of getting the setup perfect early on in the season and running the same setup later in the year in a race where they could win it all.
Keep the low downforce package, and allow the teams to run 800hp. It’s boring because the drivers aren’t slipping and sliding. They are aero blocking, and not pedaling it off the corners or getting each other loose. Give them 800-850hp and watch the racing become massively better at Phoenix, Richmond, and New Hampshire.
Go back to just a spring race for Phoenix (and go back to the original layout of Phoenix, while we're at it). I never saw the reason for a second Phoenix date. Yes, the facilities may be top notch, but the racing is mid.
I never felt like the track was hated until it was put under the microscope of being the finale. That exposed every flaw, and the track getting quite magled over the years doesn't help things either. I've always felt that long term, NASCAR wanted the new Auto Club to be the finale, and put Phoenix as a placeholder. However, with the reconfigure in development hell, pressure from fans, and most of all, bad TV ratings, it's quite clear that NASCAR's gonna concede that Phoenix as the finale is a failed experiment. As a West Coaster, I'm thankful for Phoenix as the finale, but as a fan, it just doesn't work
I was happy with the finish. But I was watching this one with my grandpa and between the barrage of adds and lack of anything interesting happening with any of the some 10 ish drivers I watch the most until the very end... I was falling asleep. Just seemed like dirty air and slow corners made it for a mess.
I usually skip this race.
I’ve wondered why this race is not 400 miles? This past race there was so little passing on a long run it was ridiculous. The Toyota’s were super fast like something was not right with them. Having the finale at Phoenix is not good at all and needs to be changed. Going back to the 312 mile race, no way that should have ever been agreed upon as a race distance for a finale. It’s funny the small changes changed the racing so much. When Harvick and Johnson were winning all the time that racing was really good.
I like in Phoenix was towards the end, but it was not the end. For the kind of track it is the racing is actually pretty good. However, it’s not finale good. With Atlanta being a restrictor plate track they need to go back to Homestead for the finale or find a track that can have some good fast racing.
As someone who became a fan of NASCAR in recent years, this is making me feel like I've become a fan, dedicating time and money to this sport, at the worst time possible. Heck, seeing how much better it was in the past makes me almost feel guilty about being a fan and trying to get others excited about it.
They never should have reconfigured it…. The spread out starts with the over paved dogleg, make it look like a bunch of amateurs out there…. I’d be happy if they just dropped the track completely…. Bring the champ race back to Homestead…. I am an old gen x’er so I didn’t grow up with the last race there. Homestead, for the most part, put on a good show….
Phoenix and New Hampshire have always been track position tracks.
Passing has always been this way, and i don't think there is much anyone can do to change that.
Phoenix does NOT deserve 2 dates, and definitely shouldn't be the finale. If anything, the finale should be a 1.5 mile track, because 1.5 mile tracks are the main course for Nascar, and every team HAS to perform on a 1.5 mile track in order to compete for a championship. Phoenix is not a track many teams can compete at, so the edge will always go towards a specific group of teams and drivers that have a knack for that track.
In my view Phoenix should only get one date on the NASCAR schedule because it is an okay track but not one that deserves to host the championship race. Its current position on the schedule is just fine & Homestead deserves to host the season finale again. However when it comes to Indycar, Phoenix definitely needs to be added to the schedule as currently there is a major shortage of ovals on the schedule. I should point out that Phoenix was a fixture on the CART/Indycar schedule for years & was one of the more well attended tracks on the schedule. As an Indycar fan in addition to NASCAR, NASCAR really needs to allow the tracks they own (through SMI & ISC) to host Indycar races again so that Indycar has a more balanced schedule than the road/street course heavy one we have now.
If we ever bring the finale back to Homestead, then NASCAR needs to put a good amount of money into the facility, as i've heard the facilities of the track are pretty garbage currently. Like no wifi, or any other things Phoenix has. Homestead needs big improvments in order to host the finale once again.
I love track. Ij ust hate that ever car is on the same strategy and no one can pass because they have the same car. Look at Truex pit, go a lap down, unlap himself, and still finish top10 or very close to it. He was gaining 1/4 to 1/2 a second a lap at times on the leader. The track is great if you get rid of stage cautions.
Yes, it’s a great experience AT THE TRACK. That’s such a stupid point to make for a sport that’s gonna be watched on tv for millions while less than 100k will be at the track. Things like that are the reasons that NASCAR struggles to grow a fan base. They just don’t use any kind of real world logic.
I liked the race. I also miss dirt bristol. Someones gotta be the villain here. I hated the finally being at homestead.
Up the horsepower to 750. I'm no fan of Denny Hamlin, but even I can see a broken clock is right twice a day.
I think the track should be reconfigured and have higher banking as well as adding grass back into the infield
The track is certainly due for a repave anyways.
They need to move the finale to a different track ASAP
I've been to the track from 2012-2019 I love the facility and the atmosphere is great but there were some races that were hit and miss. My opinion as a fan of this track I think it should go back like it was before. 1 date in the Fall and being the 2nd to last race of the season. Hell if NASCAR wants to keep the finale in the west coast, Las Vegas is a good venue for the finale or either they should go back to Homestead for the finale as well
Last race AND All star should be at Charlotte. It makes sense. Its home for teams and Nascar.
Anytime Xfinity races there, its a good time, very compelling. I point to more of a car problem in all seriousness
I am really bad at telling bad races from good races for some reason, but even I felt like this race was off.
I like this track and the race was good. It was a nice weekend.
I have been gping to Homestead since i was 4. I love the track and its such a good racing track. I think what hurts us the most as fans is the fact Nascar have tried to fix something that was never broken and we have taken the racing out of the driver hands. It makes me sad the sport i love to death is becoming so bad.
I do think it needs to move on from phoenix speedway
And to be perfectly honest that track only deserves 1 date a year
As per the sell out crowd it might make it
1. A worth while race every year
2. Give up 1 date a year for an overseas track that Nascar are ( in their words heavily chasing )
Bring back a track that is finally worthy of the championship
Give them more HP
One race at Phoenix with more HP and the grass, finish at Homestead
We need a Missing Rings Kyle Busch 2017
Again, just add HP to the car
I think it’s be ok if this was the finale, if it wasn’t a winner take all. A more natural championship point system mugt make for an intriguing finale here.
I think the next finale race should be Charlotte one of my favorite tracks and really brings that hype
I usually like strategy, but this race's strategy call just kinda felt silly. Phoenix has always been my least favorite of the smaller flat ovals. It deserves one date, like Gateway or New Hampshire. I've loved Gateway in cup so far, and New Hampshire has had fine racing for a long time.
Miami has usually 10 plus second gap between 1st and 2nd, remind me how it’s better or different from Phoenix? It isn’t. People forget, it’s hard to pass at homestead
Honestly, I watched the race yesterday, I thought the racing was pretty decent, there was always something happening, but I’ve also been out of the nascar loop for awhile💀
I do have to disagree with claiming that Phoenix has never had good racing. I felt its best days were w/ the Gen-5 car on the old configuration. Jeff Gordon won the 2007 Subway Fresh 500K to claim his 76th career win tying him with Dale Earnhardt on NASCAR's All-time wins list after he had a good race with who was probably Jeff's biggest rival, Tony Stewart, Mark Martin had that historic win in 2009 that had decent racing, and Jeff Gordon had that big winless streak breaking win in 2011 in a great race with Kyle Busch.
That being said, I don't think Phoenix should host the finale. 2 races a year, sure. Personally, I think if Goodyear can bring a softer tire, that might make a difference. Put more of a tire strategy in mind. Of course, getting rid of stage cautions would help with every race.
I personally hate the current version of Phoenix. Even in iRacing. Lol I wish the configuration would go back to how it used to be. I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason why it is the finale is due to all of the money spend on the infrastructure that was done to the track.